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Created by : Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 12 14 2010 07:40:27 +0000
Keywords : india society maturity
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Mr. Raju, i agree with you that the caste system was not so worse in traditional system but the way whole division has now been done even by the government by giving reservation on the basis of caste it has become worst. By giving seats reservation in colleges, government jobs etc. they have widened the gap between the castes.instead they should give them free books and zero percent interest educational loans.Mahatam Gandhi was in favour to give reservation for 10 years but it is still continue for vote bank. Though how much it has actually helped is a question and may be because of that caste based census is in pipeline.
By Gurleen Kaur, CMD, GKM IT & Engineering  07 01 2011 19:14:49 +0000
 
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In any age the concept of caste based society is wrong. We cannot dictates anybody life because he was born in a caste. Similar to the problem women face in our rural society.
By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  08 30 2011 11:24:58 +0000
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INDIA IS HEAVEN FOR MUSLIM TERRORISTS

If you cross the North Korean border illegally, you get 12 years hard labor.

If you cross the Iranian border illegally, you are detained indefinitely.

If you cross the Afghan border illegally, you get shot.

If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally, you will be jailed.

If you cross the Chinese border illegally, you may never be heard of again.
 
If you cross the Venezuela, you are branded a spy and your fate is sealed.
 
If you cross the Cuban illegally, you will be thrown Into political prison to rot.
 
If you enter Britain, you are arrested, prosecuted & sent to prison & deported.
 
However, If you enter India illegally, you are sure to get :-

 -  A Ration Card,
 -  Voter Identification,
 -  Passport (minimum 1 or even more),
 -  Haj Subsidy,
 -  Get a Permanent Job,
 -  A Driving License,
 -  Voter Identity Card,
 -  Job Reservation,
 -  Many Special Privileges,
 -  Credit Cards,
 -  Subsidized Rent or loan to buy a house,
 -  Free Education,
 -  Free Health Care,
 -  A Lobbyist In New Delhi
 -  And Voting Rights !!
 -  Plus many more……

MERA DESH MAHAAN, HUNDRED MEIN NINETYNINE BEIMAAN

JAI NEHRU, JAI CONGRESS, JAI SONIA


By AJAY KHAITAN, SCIENTIST, R&D WORLD  | 09 07 2011 20:39:43 +0000
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(1). My question - Where in the bill it says one can get away after committing a crime?

Amit Pandey's answer -The Communal violence Bill Drafting Commety is full of Muslims , Christians and pseudo Seculars.

(2). Yes, poojya amit pandeyji is correct. Sonia has included only muslims and christains in the committe. for e.g.

a). Gopal subramaniam is the short form Gopalullah sulfi bramatullah ammanullah.

b). Prasad Srivella is the short form of Parveez Srivullah Lahamathulla

c).Usha Ramanathan is the short form of Ushamullah Rameez Nathanullah

d).Vrinda Grover is the short form of Vrinabdullah Gro Al vermullah

e).Harsh Mander is the short form of Hafiz Manullah Der Abdullah

f). Gagan sethi is the short form of Gaganullah Se thiuallah

g).Ram Puniyani is actually Rameez Al Pun Abdullah yani

and so on....

Dear toostep members, now you know how biased and partial is the UPA and Sonia in forming these committees???



By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 07 2011 14:39:50 +0000
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Amit Pandey is uneducated, else he would have read the communal and targeted violence bill 2011 CAREFULLY. Where in the bill it says that one can get away after comiting a crime?


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 07 2011 11:48:50 +0000
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Voilent Comments and Imbalance on the topic  reflects Social Immaturity . What extra proofs are required. Byting dosent make Dog The King LIon . No Religion ,cast is issue . It is very Personal and used as Tool  .


By Prasad Kanhere, Technology developemnt, Sivaa Tech  | 09 07 2011 11:35:51 +0000
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I agree that this type of bomb blast can be prevented. Lost 12 people and maybe even more. Shame. But BJP need not celebrate because its track record is even worse,.... and do not have a genuine concern for security of India citizens ...just like other political parties.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 07 2011 10:43:36 +0000
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This ........... called Khaithan is a ........... Really irritating. Wish we could lock him up in a cave of middle ages. That is where he belongs.
By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 09 07 2011 07:57:43 +0000
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"....Yes like a ostrich u will bury ur head in sand neglecting all the sufferings of fellow Hindus and will continue with minority appeasement..."

You are living in a very small imaginary world. I am trying to help you get out of it. They say that we should not help a person who is sinking. I am trying to help you, help you get out of your shell but you will not listen to anybody...what can we do?. I'll let you sink.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 06 2011 10:25:16 +0000
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"..In India itself for  700 years Hindus are massacred..."

That shows how useless hindus were.

"..How u can expect  better behavior  when u don't give it to others  , Its really unfortunate that  two contrasting ideologies r bound to live in same geography..."

If we want then we can coexist peacefully. But hindutva people and hardcore minorities do not want to live peacefully. They want to help pak and china by making india crawl on its belly.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 06 2011 08:12:09 +0000
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"...In Pakistan and Bangladesh Hindu Population has reduced to less than 5% from 30 % , numerous temples are broken and here media is shouting for one disputed Ayodhya temple...."

for you Pakistan and Bangladesh maybe the "standard", but not for any one else. For us Pak and Bangladesh are way below us in all departments and hence we will not use them as a reference.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 06 2011 08:07:31 +0000
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I support "YES".

If socially mature relates to one's self awareness regarding their social responsibilities (even as small as throwing waste on road) and also as big as Castesim Racism.

And everybody would agree on this (other than politicians and big corporate houses), “All Social, Political and Economic conditions are interlinked.”

And Saitwal Sir, “Education is not the Keyword, Attitude Is!”

Education will tell the way to follow and it’s your attitude that’s defines your aptitude to reach higher and higher altitude. Its just like Education gives Directions and Attitude can give Destination.


By JOGINDER SINGH CHANDNANI, MMS Student (IES MCRC, Bandra)  | 09 06 2011 08:07:09 +0000
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"...Prakash i agree with u completely , the topic is absurd , What is meant by Social maturity ? ..."

Social maturity to some extent means how you will behave with others, in a crowd,in a society etc. For that, you do not need a single social system. There are plenty of countries in this world which has different social system. for e.g. Singapore, the United States etc etc These countries do have muslims, hindus, christians,buddhists,jews etc Following a particular religion has nothing much to contribute towards social maturity. Social maturity to a large extent depends on the culture of a group of people.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 06 2011 03:19:43 +0000
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Amit Pandey is living in delusion , A version of Hinduism is written by RSS (that is what they claim), but yes many books exposing RSS and Hindutva Terror are banned by BJP , if you want this kind of terror and violence in which u have to whitewash evil deeds of hinduism to maintain peace , give up the dream , its not going to happen , just as the fire can not be covered by cloth truth can not be covered by false propaganda of hinduism ,India is not a country made by BJP , and your terror/hindutva only means hindutva appeasement, so that u allow temples and RSS boards to have lakhs of sqaure of land and property and loot temples , by taking away the money offered to God , and overtaking the properties of temples belonging to other caste.
By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 03 2011 17:14:53 +0000
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Perhaps India will only become Socially mature when all of its hindus will adopt true hinduism and do not follow the fake hinduism written by RSS and Bajrang Dal.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 03 2011 03:16:15 +0000
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Yes! The atmosphere is fantastic. Now some of you come across with your view-point and carry forward the debate.
By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 09 01 2011 05:05:21 +0000
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It is the middle class that shows social immaturity. The lower class has shown surprising maturity in spite of lower educational levels. This enigma continues to haunt me.
By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 08 31 2011 13:39:55 +0000
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It is hearting to se all the participants in the debate having their say without abusive language. I think all of us will agree we are learning a lot from each post added on either side of the debate.

The time has come for us to accept our falliability as a society instead of blaming the British Raj, Pakisthan, Nehru-Gandhi familly, America, Governments etc.

If we stand up and function as a strong civil society (Not the Nathak Samelan groups we see today),  then no force can deprive us of our social growth.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 08 31 2011 05:34:55 +0000
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it is vt really right u said shameena, bcz ths thngs show the truth nd fact that u said.


By puneet , Manager Admin  | 08 30 2011 16:13:50 +0000
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All factors are correlated. ur scope , level , attitude, approch ,educations are Important. In general any issue should be evaluated ,mapped , object target should be find out, what is the base and where it is moving, who is moving should be studied , what are its relations to other factors could be meaning ful . Mass of people have control if people are having unity even on wrong stands then difficult to restrain and relative action by economic and Political controls . In metros life is different Big towens life is different in rural parts life is different . So there is no fix rules of individual thinking , and approch to experiences . as concerned Social issue People sould have there level to understand the matters , But
By Prasad Kanhere, Technology developemnt, Sivaa Tech  | 08 30 2011 10:16:46 +0000
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Ok Shameen we got miles to go before we sleep. But look back and see the miles we have already trod during the day.
By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  | 08 27 2011 14:37:35 +0000
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Untouchability, honour killings, religious fanaticism, violence, riots, unkempt roads, roadside garbage. Does it qualify for making us a socially mature society. We have got.... 'Miles to go before we sleep'
By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 08 27 2011 14:11:00 +0000
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Ok Ujjal! that is a classic tongue-in-cheek statement.

 


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 08 27 2011 13:40:34 +0000
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Individual quality, But Carrot, can pull the Group Blindly. Animals who follow blind paths are Zebras ,goats and Forest Buffalos who are always young . Lion leaves with Wisdom and Bravery.Example is very live. Topic Title suggest that Leadership direction is always necessary.


By Prasad Kanhere, Technology developemnt, Sivaa Tech  | 08 27 2011 08:45:51 +0000
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ya , ofcourse, it is indeed. i agree with u shanti


By puneet , Manager Admin  | 08 27 2011 08:09:03 +0000
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It is certainly not mature. Across the villages you will find the deep chasms in the social structure. There is this caste based divide, there is this killings, there is dowry system still eating the young girls and yet we call ours a socially forward community?
By AMISH , Writer - Administrator  | 08 27 2011 08:02:32 +0000
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Yes of course especially youth seems to be more aware...with increasing number of old age homes...!


By ujjval jain, Retail, Retail  | 08 26 2011 19:01:48 +0000
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And I see the changes happening already. Heartening news indeed.
By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  | 08 26 2011 12:40:55 +0000
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Vinoy I partially agree with you. Once the entire population will be literate the whole scenario will change as far as Indian society is concerned.  


By Rathin Deb, Advisor and retail consultant, currently as Branch Manager, Tower Infotech Ltd  | 08 26 2011 10:27:54 +0000
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    Ms. Neha, that is the result of getting carried away by the false propaganda of our many leaders. The reverse reaction is also being noticed with the upper middle class taking to street for every issue at hand.

   We do not seem to be mature as a nation to handle the social ills facing the country. We depend too much on our leaders (govt, NGOs, Civil Society, Religious heads.... the list goes on).

   Even our voting pattern is at times endangered by the decision of this appointed and self-appointed leaders. It just highlights my point - India has many a mile to walk towards social maturity.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 08 10 2011 04:43:37 +0000
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i think its true of the India after independence,and despite having gloriuos past we might have failed to maintain a good status by compromising on accountability as a part of the nation.
By mallikarjuna , networking, 3i  | 08 03 2011 09:35:50 +0000
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yes, the poor and backward always gang up agaisnt the elite!!!
By neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp  | 08 01 2011 16:30:41 +0000
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Yes, India is not socially mature, but it is a good thing, becuasue it keeps our values in check!!!
By neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp  | 08 01 2011 15:59:10 +0000
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REMOVE FAKE GANDHIS

There are at least 10 Crore people in India, who are more capable, educated, experienced & Patriotic than these Fake Gandhis

Starting from Indira to Sanjay to Rajiv to Sonia to Priyanka to Rahul nobody falls in the Category of Educated & Intellectual Class, they are either below Graduate or somehow Graduate......

Like Nehru was Imposed on us in place of Sardar Ballabhbhai Patel, Indira was also imposed on us by the Puppets in Congress

Rajiv came through back door (Sympathy Wave) - He was the foollest & the most Corrupt of all Fake Gandhis

Sonia (Antonio Maino) is a total Fraud, but presently the Rajmata..........

Priyanka & Rahuls are two Kids, promoted by Doggy Raja & others........

In my opinion Amish, Sumanta Sahu, Nagesh Rao, Gurleen Kaur, Mohan Murari, S. Muralidharan, Raju V P, Vrushank Dave & Ajay Khaitan (Me Included) etc ....... are much more qualified & knowledgeable than these Fake Gandhis.............

Keep writing....... Keep fighting......... against these Corrupt,  Cruel, heartless & Coward Congress... till they are removed from India..

They are so cruel, they have no shame in attacking 1 Lac peaceful People while sleeping..... they are more Cruel than Ravan, Kansh, Hiranyakashyap, Hiranakshya & other Daityas & Rakshas


By AJAY KUMAR KHAITAN, Consultant  | 07 05 2011 19:18:45 +0000
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Mera Bharat Mahaan

People Chew Tobacco, Pan Masala, Khaini, Jarda & spit on the Roads & Public Places like Hospitals, Schools etc

Everybody wasting time in Cricket, Gossiping, SMSing in TV Contests, Chatting & speculating in Shares

India is a country of 121 Crores & we Indians are 2nd to none, but after 58 Yrs of misrule by a Dynasty / Family, we stand nowhere near global standard

Not a single Nobel Prize won in Science for more than a decade & Not a single Olympic Gold except few years back

More than 10 Crore mobiles & More than 1 crore Computers / Laptops in India - but not a single made in India

Almost every thing imported from outside - very few things are exported. Small nations like Japan, Korea, Singapore, Hongkong etc are much ahead of us in all fields starting from Science & technology to Industrial growth.

Agriculture & Industrial productivity is much less than in comparison to China, Israel, Japan, Korea, America, Hongkong, Singapore, Taiwan etc

Made for Nehru Family to rule us, we are just slaves

Awards & Institutions are named after Jawaharlal, Indira, Rajiv, Sanjay, Sonia, Rahul & Priyanka etc

Indian Democracy has been converted into Dynastic Rule, run by spineless Puppets, now Priyanka/Rahul in Waiting

Nirman India - Its time to Think & Act - Save India from Terrorism, Corruption, Soaring Prices & Dynastic Rule run by Puppets.......

 


By AJAY KUMAR KHAITAN, Consultant  | 07 05 2011 09:52:45 +0000
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perhaps true, reason for it is we are not able to adapt differently to different things and to changes in time,well quite a lot of us has become rigid for individual or a group or community, that is what is a huge factor which is hindering the growth,there is attitude to block each others growth, and not let those who want to take others or proceed by themselves.Unity and the spirit to play any part required for that purpose


By mallikarjuna , networking, 3i  | 07 05 2011 05:59:01 +0000
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yes james , you are right I agree to your views. 


By rakeshbhatnagar , GM Projects., wig brothers india pvt.ltd.  | 06 27 2011 06:27:36 +0000
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Yes Gurleen! Just like the caste system the custom of restricting women from being strong personalities is a major factor. Remember they form half the population of the nation and really a mother influences her children the most - widely .

It is for the betterment of the nation that we further liberate our women and encourage them to be strong characters. Thanks for giving us a lady's perspective to the argument. 


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 06 14 2011 14:10:25 +0000
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It is not only caste and politicians, it is also the attitude of people for ex- the crime against women. Politically India had matured quite fast, then there hav been economic reforms but there has been no great social reforms and no political party or government is concerned about that it is only few social groups who are working for it.


By Gurleen Kaur, CMD, GKM IT & Engineering  | 06 10 2011 02:28:46 +0000
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Mr. Murthy,  You got it bang on. Caste is the cancer that continues to kill Indian society even today. 


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 05 30 2011 16:35:14 +0000
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Our politicians have picked up the nuance of "Divide and Rule" from the Britishers. If you keep the larger mass in bay not allowing them to enjoy the fruits of freedom, they can eternally "rule" and "ru(i)n" the country at their whims and fancies! Poor people became victims of this calculated, selective group! People, like, Anna Hazare, Baba Ram Dev, et al, are hounding to raise public awareness - any takers?
By S. Muralidharan, Executive Director, Knowledge Foundation & Campus Around the Corner  | 05 29 2011 10:58:14 +0000
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You are right. However, we must acknowledge the fact that social maturity takes much more time than economic and political maturity. Because at time we need to weed out deep rooted traditional system whereas at other time we need adopt innovative systems which may or may not be against the tradition-These changes take lot of time to occur and to be visible.
By Amit Kumar, Program Manager, EduMark Realty Education Services  | 05 29 2011 08:58:27 +0000
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The Politicians, not all, in India have not matured but the people of India have enough maturity to bear all the nonsense committed by our politicians.Still India needs to develop the maturity level to the extent of all directions to become a super power.


By NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, GM-Projects, Bentec Electricals & Electronics Pvt. Ltd  | 01 27 2011 17:02:32 +0000
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India,s economic situation is changing but on social issue it need to be correct.
By Omkar Kulkarni, Accounts Officer, Minilec(India) Pvt Ltd  | 01 27 2011 11:11:03 +0000
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YES, i agree with you that india is still not a secular country . It MUST BE SECULAR BY HEART POLITICAL PEOPLE MUST NOT BE ABLE TO DIVIDE PEOPLE ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION.THEN ONLY IT WILL BE A SECULAR COUNTRY AND SOCIALLY MATURE ALSO.
By rakeshbhatnagar , GM Projects., wig brothers india pvt.ltd.  | 01 27 2011 10:04:56 +0000
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The illiteracy among the poor sections especially in the interiors is palpable.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 12 15 2010 06:14:49 +0000
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The illiteracy among a section of people is the big hurdle for the development of social development. Parties are not allowing these sections to develop by resorting to spoon feeding.
By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 12 14 2010 11:13:30 +0000
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Yes vinoy I agree with your opinion....  need to change a lot... :):) 


By Jagdish Prabhu, Business Analyst, Computer Associate  | 12 14 2010 10:25:45 +0000
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Yes Suryanarayan, Caste and religion are two emotions that have dragged India down the ages. So much so, the concept of caste today evoke totally negative vibes from any right-thinking people today.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 12 14 2010 08:07:29 +0000
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I agree with you James ! Economic growth apart, India has to be built as a caste-less, secular society. Caste based politics also needs surgery. Developmnt based politics can build a better India, in my opinion.
By Suryanarayan Murthy, Free lancer  | 12 14 2010 07:59:12 +0000
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    The Indian society has made rapid growth on the economic front. The political front has regularly shown that it can take mature and decisive at regular intervals. However as a society vast majority of us are still in middle ages in our thoughts and deeds. In-fact the dark interiors of our country are still in the dark ages.

    We cannot become a great nation until we are a mature society, which lives harmoniously today and innovates together for our tomorrow.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 12 14 2010 07:48:40 +0000
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Vinoy Scaria James

India still not as socially mature as it is economically or even politically.

1. Misrule of Congress for 64-6 =58 Years

2. 20% Muslim Population + 20% Pseudo Seculars

3. Lack of Education


By AJAY KHAITAN, SCIENTIST, R&D WORLD  | 09 07 2011 20:37:05 +0000
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Why BURKA SUPPORTER Muslims make films based on Nudity, Abuses & Slang Language....

1. MUNNI BADNAM HUI

2. SHILA KI JAWANI

3. FREQUENT USE OF SLANG LANGUAGE & ABUSES - Words Like BALATKAR etc

4. Why Muslims Male & Female Actors Expose their body

5. On one hand they talk of BURKA & on the other hand, they Promote Nudity, why.......

 


By AJAY KHAITAN, SCIENTIST, R&D WORLD  | 09 07 2011 20:30:13 +0000
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Stop Anti Hindu Communal violence Bill  , Stop Conversions  ,


"we shall otherwise decrease in numbers. ..........And then every man going out of the Hindu pale is not only a man less, but an enemy the more.
"Again, the vast majority of Hindu perverts to Islam and Christianity are perverts by the sword, or the descendants of these. It would be obviously unfair to subject these to disabilities of any kind. "

- Swami Vivekananda 


http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_5/Interviews/On_The_Bounds_Of_Hinduism

 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 14:44:17 +0000
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Briefcase bomb at Delhi high court kills 12, injures 62

TNN | Sep 7, 2011, 01.34PM IST

12 dead, 62 injured in Delhi HC blast
NEW DELHI: Twelve people were killed and at least 62 others injured in a powerful blast outside Delhi high court gate number 5 on Wednesday morning.

The blast took place at around 10.15 am. Home secretary RK Singh told reporters the explosives were placed in a briefcase at the high court reception where hundreds of people come through every day to attend court cases.


No one has claimed responsibility for the attack. Television images showed scores of lawyers in black coats running from one of the main gates of the building.


"This appears to be a
bomb explosion and it is at least a medium-intensity bomb... The site has been fully secured and Delhi has been put on high alert.


By AJAY KHAITAN, SCIENTIST, R&D WORLD  | 09 07 2011 14:22:45 +0000
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Anti Hindu  Communal Violence Bill


excerpts from Sh Arun Jaitley’s commentary on why the communal violence bill is flawed

 

No member of the majority community can ever be a victim. This draft law thus proceeds on an assumption which re-defines the offences in a highly discriminatory manner. No member of the minority community are to be punished under this act for having committed the offence against the majority community.

It is only a member of the majority community who is prone to commit such offences and therefore the legislative intent of this law is that since only majority community members commit these offences, culpability and punishment should only be confined to them.  If implemented in a manner as provided by this bill, it opens up a huge scope for abuse. It can incentivise members of some communities to commit such offences encouraged by the fact that they would never be charged under the act.

…Why should the law discriminate on the basis of a religion or caste?

The bill provides for a seven-member national authority for communal harmony, justice and reparations. Of these seven members at least four of them including the chairman and vice-chairman shall only belong to a ‘group’ (the minority community). A similar body is intended to be created in the states. Membership of this body thus shall be on religious and caste grounds. The offenders under this law are only the members of the majority community.

Under clause 74 of the bill if an offence of hate propaganda is alleged against a person, a presumption of guilt shall exist unless the offender proves to the contrary. An allegation thus is equivalent to proof. Public servants under this bill under clause 67 are liable to be proceeded against without any sanction from the state.

The special public prosecutor to conduct proceedings under this act shall not act in aid of truth but ‘in the interest of the victim’. ..The occurrence of organised communal and targeted violence under this act shall amount to an internal disturbance in a state within the meaning of Article 355 entitling the central government to impose President’s Rule.

…The drafting of this bill appears to be a handiwork of those social entrepreneurs who have learnt from the Gujarat experience of how to fix senior leaders even when they are not liable for an offence.

Offences which are defined under the bill have been deliberately left vague. Communal and targeted violence means violence which destroys the ‘secular fabric of the nation’. There can be legitimate political differences as to what constitutes secularism. The phrase secularism can be construed differently by different persons. Which definition is the judge supposed to follow? Similarly, the creation of a hostile ‘environment’ may leave enough scope for a subjective decision as to what constitutes ‘a hostile environment’.

 The law defies the basic principles of equality and fairness.


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 14:20:30 +0000
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Anti Hindu  Communal violence  Bill

excerpts from Sh Arun Jaitley’s commentary on why the communal violence bill is flawed :

The most vital definition of the bill is of the expression ‘group’. A ‘group’ means a religious or linguistic minority and in a given state may include the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. The bill creates a whole set of new offences in Chapter II. Clause 6 clarifies that the offences under this bill are in addition to the offences under the SC & ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989. Can a person be punished twice for the same offence?

..Clause 8 prescribes that ‘hate propaganda’ is an offence when a person by words oral or written or a visible representation causes hate against a ‘group’ or a person belonging to a ‘group’.

…Any communal trouble during which offences are committed is a law and order problem. Dealing with the law and order is squarely within the domain of the state governments. In the division of powers between the Centre and the states, the central government has no direct authority to deal with the law and order issues; nor is it directly empowered to deal with them nor it can legislate on the subject.

If the proposed bill becomes a law, then effectively it is the central government which would have usurped the jurisdiction of the states and legislated on a subject squarely within the domain of the states.

This draft bill however proceeds on a presumption that communal trouble is created only by members of the majority community and never by a member of the minority community. Thus, offences committed by members of the majority community against members of the minority community are punishable. Identical offences committed by minority groups against the majority are not deemed to be offences at all.



By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 14:18:45 +0000
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Communal Violence Bill is Unacceptable to Hindus —Ashok Singhal

VHP president Shri Ashok Singhal said that the anti-Hindu Communal Violence Bill is totally unacceptable to Hindus and they would oppose it tooth and nail. In a statement issued in Mumbai on July 30 he said Smt Sonia Gandhi is bringing this Bill to basically persecute her adversaries belonging to Hindu society on a mass scale. 


 
“The dangerous and discriminatory Bill, yet to be passed, presumes that only Hindus are the aggressors and the Muslims and Christians are the victims, and, therefore, the Hindu society is always to blame for communal violence and thus deserves heavy punishment and the Muslims and Christians cannot be tried for communal violence even if it is a case of rape, loot, arson or torture committed by them. If this Bill is ever enacted as a law, millions of cases will be filed against Hindus without any reason or rhyme and they will have no way left to live as Hindus. Hindus cannot allow it as Christians have a balance of 169 countries and the Muslims a balance of 52 countries in the world. This darkest Bill of the century is against the basic tenets of the Constitution, intrudes into the domain of the state, damages a federal polity of Bharat and creates an imbalance in the inter-community relationship of the country,” he said in the statement. 
 
“In the name of this Bill Smt Sonia Gandhi is taking recourse to what Smt Indira Gandhi did to save herself by promulgating national Emergency in 1975. This Bill is a direct threat to the very existence of Hindus, who form 82 per cent population of our country. It is an open war on Hindus. Now the only course open is to start a big movement to stop the vicious designs of Smt Sonia Gandhi,” he said.

By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 14:11:08 +0000
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It is a fact of Sonia's  NAC commety

and i have said  -"The Communal violence Bill Drafting Commety is full of Muslims , Christians and pseudo Seculars. "

Harsh Mandar  -  A member of   Anti Indian  Justice foundation made by Fai an ISI agent  , who was recently  arrested  in US for   bribing MPs for lobbying  in support of  Pakistan on Kashmir issue

http://leagueofindia.com/blog/harsh-mander-why-are-you-involved-anti-india-justice-foundation


Teesta  Setalvad  - SIT led by former CBI director R K Raghavan told the Supreme Court on Monday that the celebrated rights activist  Teesta  Setalvad cooked up macabre tales of wanton killings against Gujrat Govt  . She give false testimony in  American religious right   foundation against Modi Govt ,

http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/why-is-teesta-setlavad-not-behind-bars/

Aruna Roy - Always  Vomiting Venom against  Hindus  but always supporting  Muslim Movements and silent on atrocities over Hindus 

Similarly all others  though by name appear Hindu , but are  shameless traitors who will go to any extent  to show their loyalty to Italian  Mistress  , and offcourse Minority appeasement is best way for that  ,   one example is Among us , this traitor Munshi Ramchand , though calls himself  Hindu , but justifies Hindu masscare as  Hindus are "useless "  ,  

 

 

 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 13:57:22 +0000
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The Communal violence Bill Drafting Commety is full of Muslims , Christians and pseudo Seculars , Under guidance  of Sonia Gandhi  this draconian law is their attempt to Harrass Hindus , and to suppress them to become mute victims of  riots like Godhra ,

Communal & Sectarian Violence Bill, 2010

Drafting Committee

  • Gopal Subramanium
  • Maja Daruwala
  • Najmi Waziri
  • P.I.Jose
  • Prasad Sirivella
  • Teesta Setalvad
  • Usha Ramanathan (upto 20 Feb 2011)
  • Vrinda Grover (upto 20 Feb 2011)

Conveners of Drafting Committee

  • Farah Naqvi, Convener, NAC Working Group
  • Harsh Mander, Member, NAC Working Grou

Advisory Group Members

  1. Abusaleh Shariff
  2. Asgar Ali Engineer
  3. Gagan Sethi
  4. H.S Phoolka
  5. John Dayal
  6. Justice Hosbet Suresh
  7. Kamal Faruqui
  8. Manzoor Alam
  9. Maulana Niaz Farooqui
  10. Ram Puniyani
  11. Rooprekha Verma
  12. Samar Singh
  13. Saumya Uma
  14. Shabnam Hashmi
  15. Sister Mary Scaria
  16. Sukhdeo Thorat
  17. Syed Shahabuddin
  18. Uma Chakravarty
  19. Upendra Baxi
  1. Aruna Roy, NAC Working Group Member
  2. Professor Jadhav, NAC Working Group Member
  3. Anu Aga, NAC Working Group Member

 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 12:08:20 +0000
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Publishing truth might sound like "Violent " to some ears who have been habitual of  sweet Minority appeasement  from congress , There are Many Dogs  living in India who will get all  sympathy of being minority but will never stop planning jehadi attacks and  converting people by giving money ,  neglecting those who are spreading Jehad and   converting people under grab of service  , might be a  sign of  Social maturity to such people , because it provides a safe cover for them  , but  if a Society   does not learns from the repeated attacks by  elements Alien to its culture  and does not  becomes aware to present dangers , its whole  existence is in danger , what question of social maturity 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 12:02:53 +0000
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Munshi Ramchand you fraud man , have u read communal violence bill, it clearly defines  that it is only  for minorities ,  in any case of riot , only minority will get benefit of this law , though causality will happen  on both side ,


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 12:00:12 +0000
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Islamic Group behind the Brutal Stabbing of 2 Hindu Students in Mysore. Thanks God, as the Communal and Targeted Violence Bill 2011 could not be applied yet. Otherwise these Muslim Murders would be released easily.


Imagine how brutal is this Islamist KFD Group who murdered two Hindu students for ransom collaboratively and how such cases will be en-dragged under Communal and Targeted Violence Bill, 2011. Congress Government in the Center is trying to make the law accordance to the bill, just to give a free hand to Muslim Criminal and subversive groups to FINISH THE HINDUS FROM INDIA.

DNA|Bangalore|23 June 2011 : The Central Crime Branch has cracked the sensational case of abduction and murder of two BBM students — Sudheendra, 21, and his friend, Vignesh, 20 (both residents of Hunsur in Mysore district) — on June 8.

They were kidnapped from Mahajan College premises in Mysore while on their way to write their 2nd BBM examination on June 8, and their bodies were found in a field near Chikkaballapur on June 12.

The probe has exposed the direct involvement of six active members of Karnataka Forum for Dignity (KFD), who sought ransom of ¤5 crore to raise funds for their organisation, home minister R Ashoka announced on Wednesday.

The KFD, said to be an outfit of “progressive thinkers”, merged with the Kerala-based Popular Front of India (PFI) on November 22, 2006, following a massive crackdown on Students Islamic Movement of India (Simi).

Ashoka said the police have arrested the alleged KFD members Adil alias Adil Pasha, 23, Athavulla Khan, 23 (both residents of Hunsur), Ameen alias Syed Ameen, 23, Rehman alias Shabbir Rehaman (25), Kouser alias Mohammed Kouser, 26, and Safeer Ahmed alias Safeer, 34 (all four residents of Rajiv Nagar in Mysore).

They targeted Sudheendra as he was the son of Mohan Kumar, a wealthy businessman and cousin of Hunsur MLA HP Manjunath.

The home minister said one person (whose name has been withheld by the police) – who is supposed to be the brain behind the kidnapping, demand for ransom and the murder of the two boys – is yet to be arrested.


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 11:34:47 +0000
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Prevention of Targeted and Communal Violence Bill 2011  Against Hindus

RSS ideologue K. N. Govindacharya  stated that there is a more than ever need of a powerful & responsible opposition with firm moral ground in current situation for the democracy to succeed. He advised the opposition to avoid the politics of power & become a more powerful opposition with moral strength. He argued that due to the lack of powerful opposition, the rulers are becoming the looters of nation. He also questioned the role of the media in many situations.

Pointing to the Prevention of Targeted and Communal Violence Bill 2011, Govindacharya said that this is a conspiracy against Hindus in general that will promote more  tension between the different religious belief and will be used by the non Hindu minority groups to persecute the majority Hindu people with a tool so being introduced by the State Authority. This bill is fully designed by some pro Muslim and pro Christian people in the NAC (National Advisory Council) only for demoralizing the rights of Hindu Organisation in general. Govindacharya said that the impugned bill may promote the Terror of so called minority against the Majority Indian people with a fortified shield of this draconian bill as Prevention of Targeted and Communal Violence Bill 2011,  in question.


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 11:24:55 +0000
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Terror strikes Delhi HC: 10 killed, 60 hurt; Harkat outfit owns up


Where is Munshi Ramchand  , Tell People how  "useless"  were the lives lost in Islamik terrorism ,

some years ago a Turkish leader clarified that fight of Islam is not  with Christianity  but those who worship many   Gods , I.E. , we Hindus , we are  a  Kafir majority country  ,

 

Now you don't  know  where the  Islamik terror against kafir is going to strike again ,

 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 11:11:08 +0000
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In Iran, Pre-Teen Girls Are Raped Before They're Executed

 

 There are currently 134 minors on death row in Tehran where a vast array of crimes "against religion" qualify for capital punishment.  Girls as young as nine-year-old girls are held legally responsible for their actions while boys are not held accountable until they reach the age of thirteen.  In Iran, the suffering of prepubescent females on death row isn't limited to the hangman's noose.

During a telephone interview with the Jerusalem Post, a member of the powerful Basiji militia admitted that his duties included raping children before they were executed.  Under Sharia Law, virgins cannot be executed, so they're coerced into marrying their jailers prior to being killed. 

Sabina Amidid spoke with the Basiji soldier on condition of anonymity:  He said he had been a highly regarded member of the force, and had so "impressed my superiors" that, at 18, "I was given the 'honor' to temporarily marry young girls before they were sentenced to death."

In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding" ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard - essentially raped by her "husband." '

http://www.progressivepuppy.com/the_progressive_puppy/2009/07/in-iran-pre-teen-girls-raped-before-being-executed.html


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 07 2011 09:36:10 +0000
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Shameena

Why you Muslims always talk of Locking up some body in a Cave of Middle Ages. Why you are so full of hatred..... 

Plz note that Hatred is the mother of all Violence & Terror, whereas as Love is the mother of all Creativity & Freindship


By AJAY KHAITAN, SCIENTIST, R&D WORLD  | 09 07 2011 09:12:22 +0000
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MERA BHARAT MAHAN

There was a Film 3-Idiots, I think India is a Country of many more Idiots

1. People Chew Tobacco, Pan Parag, Kaini, Jarda & Spit on the Roads & Places Like Hospitals, Schools, Stations & All Office Premises.....

2. Smoking Bidi, Cigarette, Drinking Wines, Speculations in Shares & Commodity Market, Gossips, Cricket etc.....

3. Crimes like Bribes, Looting, Robbery, Rapes, Violence, & Fightings

4. Indian Democracy converted into Dynastic Rule, run by spineless Puppets

5. No Nobel Prize & Not a single Olympic Gold except 1(One) few years back - Country of 121 Crores...........shame for all of us

6. No excellency in Quality & Products, nothing is Exported, everything Imported from China, Japan, Korea, USA, Taiwan.......

7.Everybody wasting time in SMSing, Participating in TV Contests, Chatting, Cricket Watching etc

8. More than 10 Crore mobiles & More than 1 crore Computers / Laptops in India - but not a single made in India......

JAI NEHRU, JAI CONGRESS, JAI SONIA


By AJAY KHAITAN, SCIENTIST, R&D WORLD  | 09 06 2011 11:30:12 +0000
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A traitor and fraud who justifies slaughter of his community is a curse for society , how such person can  help  anyone else , all you can do is minoritu appeasement , but india will soon be free of Gandhi dynasty ,  and congress , all the pseudo secular will sink to hell along with Foreigner Antonio Maino (sonia ) ,


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 06 2011 11:26:32 +0000
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A traitor and fraud who justifies slaughter of his community is a curse for society , how such person can  help  anyone else , all you can do is minoritu appeasement , but india will soon be free of Gandhi dynasty ,  and congress , all the pseudo secular will sink to hell along with Foreigner Antonio Maino (sonia ) ,


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 06 2011 10:35:49 +0000
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"That shows how useless hindus were."

Yes a community that can give birth to traitor and fraud like you , is likely to be useless , all over world Islamists have slaughtered millions of Kafir , whose life was "useless" for u ,but this behavior will not continue for eternity , slowly all world is understanding the threat of islam ,

This is a movie by dutch leader greet wilders about islam , every one must see

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=ODk3

"for you Pakistan and Bangladesh maybe the "standard", but not for any one else"

This is what u have to say when u can't answer , who is talking about standards here , it is a reality of islamik world ,

"For us Pak and Bangladesh are way below us in all departments and hence we will not use them as a reference"

Yes like a ostrich u will bury ur head in sand neglecting all the sufferings of fellow Hindus and will continue with minority appeasement .when u r justifying slaughter of Indian Hindus what question of others


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 06 2011 10:24:05 +0000
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Ms. Roshan , There is no emotional thinking , it is a fact , wherever muslims have grown in majority , life has become impossible for Hindus , u want example in India look to Kashmir ,400000 Hindus r living in exile in their own country , In Pakistan and Bangladesh Hindu Population has reduced to less than 5% from 30 % , numerous temples are broken and here media is shouting for one disputed Ayodhya temple , In Arabia , Islam does not allows others to build Temple ,church etc , In India itself for  700 years Hindus are massacred , and temples destroyed  , because they are Kafir according to Islamik ideaology ,

How u can expect  better behavior  when u don't give it to others  , Its really unfortunate that  two contrasting ideologies r bound to live in same geography , especially when the nation has been divided in parts due to this ,


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 06 2011 07:07:52 +0000
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Mr. Amit, What about the different trusts, colleges and hospital organization run by Hindu seers. The problem lies with the people of India like you. You do not see through this game because your mind is clouded with emotional thinking rather clear-cut thinking with logic.
By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  | 09 06 2011 05:29:00 +0000
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Prakash i agree with u completely , the topic is absurd , What is meant by Social maturity ? india is not a single Social system , it has many , Hindus Social system is not like Islam , and not Christian , Muslims are governed by their own Sharia Social laws, Hindus have Hindu law , which one of these author is talking about ? if he is talking as a whole ,such idea is absurd because each different ethnic group progresses separately , while many things have changed among Hindus regarding caste , Muslims r still following their own rules , which will perhaps never change ,
By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 03 2011 09:19:31 +0000
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Munshi is living in delusion , Hinduism is not written by RSS, but yes many books exposing Congress and Islamik Jehad are banned by Congress , if you want this kind of secularism in which u have to  whitewash evil deeds of Islam to maintain peace , give up the dream , its not going to happen , just as the  fire can not be covered by cloth truth can not be covered by  false propaganda of Secularism ,India is not a  country made by Congress , and ur Secularism only means minority  appeasement  ,  so that u allow Churches and  Waqfs board to have lakhs of sqaure of land and property and loot temples , by taking away the money offered to God , and overtaking the properties of temples ,


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 03 2011 09:13:40 +0000
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Socially, politically and economically mature.... Are there these many kinds of maturities? I think there is only one maturity that leads Society to adopt responsible attitude on all fronts. According to me, education for all is the only way to attain maturity. When proportion of educated class will increase, the communal frenzy will reside, evils of corruption and other social evils will decline and India will progress as a responsible, forward looking society. EDUCATION IS THE KEYWORD. I am pleased to support on this subject, Shanti.


By Prakash Saitwal, Technical Support Manager, Aditya Birla Management Corporation P. Ltd.  | 09 03 2011 07:22:14 +0000
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 Perhaps India will only become Socially mature when all of its people will adopt foreign religion and culture ,


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 09 02 2011 16:46:45 +0000
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ya, renashmi, ur right


By puneet , Manager Admin  | 09 01 2011 04:16:03 +0000
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Yes Vinoy Sir! This is nice feeling to go through a debate without bitterness
By Renashmi Kaur, Events/Promotion Executive, Eventzo Delight Pvt. Ltd.  | 08 31 2011 13:48:50 +0000
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@VInoy..though i have some different feelings over some matters,,but this time u got me right...its a classic tongue in cheek...but again people changes,,,so the society,,,from arranged marriage to live in,,,from dudh si dhulai to dag achhe he....we have come really far..but the road to future is even tougher in this age of Aquarius...values will change even further,,,the things is Fundamentals should always remain the same...


By ujjval jain, Retail, Retail  | 08 27 2011 17:46:17 +0000
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The social maturity especially among youth is very high.
By Renashmi Kaur, Events/Promotion Executive, Eventzo Delight Pvt. Ltd.  | 08 26 2011 14:58:36 +0000
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I take that point. We are really a lot mature in parts of the social fabric. We can be proud of it. But history has killed the maturity in various other parts.....like religious tolerance, equality before law, family values etc.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 08 07 2011 09:05:30 +0000
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The meaning of 'social' needs to be defined! Here the only social meaning prescribed to is CAST-ISM!! Social behavior defines hospitality, approach, communication (inter and intra personal) and respect. We are far superior socially than politically or economically!!
By Makrand Bhave, AGM - Corporate Business, E18, part of Network 18 Group  | 08 03 2011 10:10:36 +0000
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We cannot ignore the glorious past, and culture of India.The values endorsed by the people of India.Misfortune is today we have lot of problems that doesn't mean India is not socially mature.
By Rajesh Tekale, Counsel, Advocate on Record , High Court, Mumbai  | 08 01 2011 16:43:57 +0000
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Any hard stats to back your argument.. If not Ajay please refrain from rabble-roosting. Let the people  of India decide?


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 08 01 2011 14:52:10 +0000
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Our traditional social system did not have the caste system as it exists today. Caste was defined according to the profession one was involved in.
By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 07 01 2011 19:04:56 +0000
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The problem is not we are socially not mature. We think we are socially not mature and try to ape western countries.

We are leaving our rich traditional values with the false notion that we are socially immature.

Other countries are realising the importance of joint families while we are going the other way.

Other countries are learning yoga from us while we want to learn jazz, hiphop, etc.

Other countries are interested in learning our vedas and scriptures whereas we are forgetting them and going for junk studies.

Other countries are trying to learn ayurveda while we are trying to get enslavened to allopathy.

The list goes on and on .....

If only we realise our true social values and stop being under the false impression ......


By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 07 01 2011 19:01:44 +0000
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It was! It had a glorious past in its traditions, religions that sprang from this soil and even in ideology. But today don't you think we are merely perpetuating the Victorian traditions and heritage? In name of religion are not we holding the nation as a whole to ransom, lately?  Defeating our self.

Thus my argument that when economically and politically we have moved far ahead, socially we are stalled in cobwebs of the near past which never really was India's.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 06 14 2011 14:24:00 +0000
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India is socially much mature compared to its economic and political development. Infact it is the regressive political issues that has been giving an different image to the Indian society
By Amit Kumar, Program Manager, EduMark Realty Education Services  | 06 10 2011 10:39:29 +0000
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If you look the Indian social system in the context of countries across the globe, Indian social fabric is highly machure.
By Amit Kumar, Program Manager, EduMark Realty Education Services  | 06 09 2011 19:24:05 +0000
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Yes Dhiraj, everything takes time. but I think it is high time we start targeting the immaturity of our society.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 05 30 2011 16:39:39 +0000
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Everything Takes time and with whom we are comparing USA which itself is not knowing how to help its people or our neighbors who are always in a new turmoil
By Dhiraj Himani, Android developer, B24esolutions  | 01 27 2011 17:41:52 +0000
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