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Created by : Kailash Sharma, Product Development Manager, Force Motors  | 08 13 2009 06:00:09 +0000
Industry : AutomobileFunctional Area : Autos(Personal Interests)
Activity:  3631 views;  last activity : 07 06 2010 20:18:09 +0000

General motors has recently announced that it is coming up with Chevy volt which is going to give nearly 230 miles per gallon that is exactly according to Indian standards around 100 Kmpl in city driving conditions, and the cost is somewhere around 20 lakh. And this has certainly shocked the Auto world and the company which was about to go Bankrupt has come up with something like this. As in the current hybrid cars with higher mileage which is doing well is the Toyota Prius which gives around 60 Mpg approximately 25kmpl and costs 12.5 lakh, so what do you think people,

Is it practically possible to come up with a 100 kmpl mileage car or is it just a Marketing gimmick that they are doing to get out of bankruptcy?

And finally will people go for it?

 
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GM is a company in the business of Automobiles since the birth of Automobile( May be a little while later, but oldest). They have a proven track record of many world's firsts. This product is developed by them, using expertise from OPEL, Germany. Do not just take it light. Wait for the reality in the days to come.

GM is not a dieing company. They have played a game of bankruptcy to get rid some debts. Before announcing the bankruptcy, they have delinked some profit making subsideries like the one in India. The made GMI to Chevrolet sales India Pvt. Ltd. Then they have announced. Once everything goes well, the will recombine.

 


By Tata V.S. Kameswara Rao, Proprietor, Deals-on-Wheels  08 13 2009 10:59:33 +0000
 
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Truely said, hope dies last.

In my belief , Society needs proof to believe in anything and who is the society or market? its we! Be it opel Germany the technology seller or infact the big R & D who sell the technology to Opel Itself, take FEV, IAV, MBtech , etc etc ... The point of belief and disbelief is on technical feasiblity basis. We can get deeper into this , if one can provide me the technical details of the proposed model. Its like Carnot cycles theory for me now coming from GM ... I respect GM for its implementations and Innovations ... being a giant is not easy ... but Hyper propoganda makes it loose its image... If possible the time limit would be until they give out the specifications of the vehicle.

 


By malikireddy , Controls systems Team Manager., VESTAS Wind Systems A/S.  08 13 2009 12:02:07 +0000
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Ok, a 100 kmpl car. I want to see it run. Even Automotive XPrize cars find that sort of mileage difficult to achieve.

You have to know how that amazing mileage figure is achieved. That sort of hybrids are called EREV(Extended Range Electric Vehicle) or in common terms Plug-in Hybrid. These hybrids are basically electric car with a range extender to charge the battery. The range extender here is a gasoline powered generator. The car is close to Audi A6 in size.

This particular car will go about 40 miles(60 kms) without switching on the engine if you charge it at home(the power from the outlet is far cheaper). This is considering that most people dont go more than 8 miles one way to their office. Once the charge in the battery is over the engine comes on, charges the battery and goes off.

Because of this you dont use the engine every day you may not burn a drop of petrol for days/months. It is expected to reduce fuel consumption over the lifeterm by 90%. On highways the car is expected to give about 16 kmpl. So the 230MPG is a understatement, for its lifetime savings. It can possibly do a 90mph(140 kmph). 

Finally this car was developed by GM in house in US. I have followed most stages of the development including choosing the batteries to drive train and stuff. This was the outcome of GM waking one day and finally accepting that Hybrids work(Audi is still to do that, hopefully they do it before going bankrupt). They basically used the expertise they developed with their EV1 electric car which was sold from 1996-1999, for $25k a piece.

Opel has nothing to do with this, though GM also developed an Opel version of the car, which was cancelled as part of the Bailout plan.

Lastly the car they were talking about was showcased in the Auto Expo '10. It was lying around quietly in one corner with no one looking at it.


By Arun Murali, Senior Software Engineer, Mind Tree Limited  | 02 09 2010 17:48:28 +0000
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KMPL IS DIFFERENT

TRANSPORT EFFICIENCY = TON-KMPL

100 KMPH/ 1 L = 100 KMPL

200 KMPH/2 L = 100 KMPL

10 KMPH/ 0.1 L = 100 KMPL


By andyappan , TRANSPORT DESIGNER, ADROIT  | 10 24 2009 11:14:05 +0000
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I HAVE DESIGN FOR  60 KMPL  2 T CAR  RUNNING AT 200 KMPH
NORMALLY WITH 100 HP/ 600 CC 
ENGINE USING 3.33 L/Hr FUEL
ANDY DESIGN  HP = WEIGHT* SPEED / VDF
TRANSPORT EFFICIENCY=TON-KMPL AND NOT KMPL
2 T CAR 100 HP GETS 10 KMPL RUN AT100 KMPH
1 T CAR 100 HP GETS 20 KMPL RUN AT 200 KMPH


By andyappan , TRANSPORT DESIGNER, ADROIT  | 10 24 2009 11:09:14 +0000
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Let it be gimmic. When TATA's announced that they will introduce Rs. 1 Lac car everybody told that it is not possible. BUt now we are seeing the Rs 1 lac cars on road. Including taxes It cost 1.3 -1.4 lacs still cheapest.

When TATA's claimed about it at that time TATA's where only known in INDIA for its automobile presence.

If GM is claiming that they are going to manufacture 100 KMPL car than what's wrong. It may be possible that pick up will not be so great. inplace of 100 LMPL it will somewhere around 60 to 70 KMPL but still its a good bet.

If they bluffed about this then also they will try to convert it in reality. let's help them out with our positive note that we trust U guys.

 

 

 GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PROJECT.

 


By Mani Kant Mishra, SBU/Profit Center Head, FOR CLOSEED GROUP  | 09 02 2009 07:15:10 +0000
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YES WHEN SHOULD I GO TO PURCHASE FROM SHOW ROOM.


By SB DIKSHIT, STATE QUALITY MONITOR, U.P.R.R.D.A  | 09 01 2009 16:59:32 +0000
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100 Kmpl car is very much economical and thus naturally people will prefer it more.


By James Masih, Product/Brand Manager, FedEx  | 08 13 2009 09:20:11 +0000
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Why not? When we get value for money? Compare with high end cars available in India now.. mileage is only 4-8 km/ltr. If GM can provide same comfort and such a great mileage, people will definitely buy the car. From the images of this car, it looks very elegant.


By Shaju George, Facilities/Construction Manager, IBS Software Services (P) Ltd  | 08 13 2009 08:23:43 +0000
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World Over GM is known for churning out Guzzlers.They were least bothered since they have standard market in regions/Depts where oil is not a issue.

They havent grown up to be in step with issues of our times as far as their business is concerned.

Its just i think the last gimmick before sinking at 1oo mpl speed!!!


By Charles davison, Project Manager, Douglas OHI LLC  | 09 01 2009 16:49:37 +0000
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In my opinion itss a definite gimmick, untill unless some road tests are made in reality. 100 kmpl ,  with hybrid technology  will and should make up  a car weight with passengers inside and city braking and pull conditions ..... i would definitely drop my jaw if they come with it on to the road and make it reliable though with required Nm, and effeciency in different modes of driving conditions. Well i expect when they ask me 20 lakhs for it ... or i can buy a 4 lakh car with low emissions(DPF and  after treatment fixtures and so on) and live with it for another 15 yrs by buying the same fuel for another 16 lakhs... Illuminate me if this is a trade off ... i feel so..


By malikireddy , Controls systems Team Manager., VESTAS Wind Systems A/S.  | 08 13 2009 09:42:30 +0000
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Looking at the city conditions anywhere in India we are pathetic!

Mumbai is so filled with vehicles that at a glance on road, there are more cars than people!! Delhi is congested, Kolkata is also very congested what with flyovers being constructed and Chennai is good in parts only. Pune, Nashik, Indore, Ahmedabad, Baroda , Surat, you name the place even Bengaluru is extremely congested!! In certain towns the road conditions are pathetic too!!

100kmpl cars will run smoothly on F1 kind of race tracks only which are never available here!! What is GM trying to prove?? NANO is a different story. Tata is a solid dependable company and coming out with a dream car like NANO is the next best thing that has happened to India after the tax announcements today!! :))

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100kmpl is an average that GM promises in IDYLLIC conditions!! What are these?? Have they specified in what conditions the car will give such an average?? I pity the petroleum companies completely if this is really true!!


By Makrand Bhave, AGM - Corporate Business, E18, part of Network 18 Group  | 08 13 2009 09:28:02 +0000
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Also note that the technology is still in coceptual stage & has to be tested. Also i wonder if it will have any takers at 40,000 USd


By santosh kumar, Marketing Manager, AUTOMOBILE  | 08 13 2009 06:49:54 +0000
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I think it is a bit of gimmick and a eye popping thing that they are doing, the same thing that the TATA Nano people did, but then TATA motors delivered what supposed to be the worlds cheapest car and GM are coming with a Higher mileage, but then i don't think 100 kmpl is possible and even if they come out with something like that the price of it is very high and in difficult times like these it is difficult for one to go for such hybrid cars, i don't see a majority of people going for such cars which can revive GM's fortune for that matter.


By Kailash Sharma, Product Development Manager, Force Motors  | 08 13 2009 06:00:09 +0000
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