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Created by : Anant Gupta, Project Manager, Apollo db City  | 10 08 2009 15:51:31 +0000
Industry : ConstructionFunctional Area : India(Markets)
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This is my second major project. in view of my experience in both projects, i m saying that  Artchitect is fully responsible for delay in project and partially for project failure becouse:

1. they changed drawing frequently

2. they not delivered drawings timely.

3. Most of drawings are incomplete.

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By Anant Gupta, Project Manager, Apollo db City  10 09 2009 17:16:14 +0000
 
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Dear Rasmi

 

While I agree with your views on Architects responsibility, I would also like to point finger to the owners who often sought for the changes in drawing. Regardless of the efforts placed by the construction team, they are the first one who calls for a change. It comes because the projects are being launched without spending any quality time on planning.. They are more focused on the launching and thereby collecting money . But if the freedom of decisions is given to Architects they will better perform. In any case the sufferer is the Contractor and the Project Managers..


By Sunil R Kumar, Vice President (Contracts ), Mfar Constructions  11 20 2009 12:55:44 +0000
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I agree that frequent changes in drawing & failuers in timely providing the drawing affect the project to great extent.


By Shivkamal Agrawal, Construction-Construction Management Sahara Prime city Ltd.  | 11 18 2009 08:27:02 +0000
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Delays/Cost over-runs could be due to several factors.

As this discussion is limited to Architects role- my views are:

> The Architect will not issue a single new drawing or change anything just because he fancies it. If the job is in construction stage, most probably the Architects team have moved on some other new project. So issuing "new" information for an "old" project is going to cost him money. He wont issue revisions unless he had done a mistake earlier.

> theres no point in penalising the Architect. The maximum P.I Cover he will usually  have will not be more than the extent of his fees

> Was there a Project Manager involved -before the Tender was called for? Did the PM do due diligence to make sue that the info was adequate to construct?

>If the Owner had appointed a PM to safeguard his interests, (instead of relying just on the Contractor and Architect), then its the PM and not the Architect responsible for the success or failure of the project.


By Suresh RV, INTERESTED IN OPPORTUNITIES WITH REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER/CONSULTANTS, EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES  | 04 02 2010 08:39:26 +0000
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Disagree with Mr. Anant Gupta, as an Architect I am also facing the same problem of changing the drawing on request of the client. Even after convencing on the final design they keep on discussing the design with their friends & relative And these friends & relatives gives idea to them without understanding of the main final design. Mainly Vastu related concepts raise  in this process. This is really a bad practice in India from Client side that after freezing the design they keep on changing design till the project ends. Secondly major role for the delay in project is from contractors side, they dont have proper resources, working with unskilled labours &  using traditional method of construction.  


By Deepak Sharma, Architect & Urban Planner  | 01 15 2010 12:56:02 +0000
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I would post my dis-agreement with Mr.Anant Gupta.He is looking at one side of the coin and Mr.Nair is absolutely right and I would like to add some more reasons to his agrument.An architect has nothing to do who the contractor is and what his interest is.(if Architect is unbiased) Secondly an Ideal role of the Architect is in the benefit of the project(Not the Owner neither the Contractor).He has to do what is good for the project.Thirdly an Architect is generally dependent on the supplier and the specifications of the material (this is to be approved by the Client/Client representative.)Thus incomplete drawings. Freezing and following of plans and architectural drawings is purely Client's responsibility--thus changes are because of client.Delay in issuing of drawings is mainly because of the above reasons and most importantly payment issues.....Most Architect's are under paid,anyone can ask any architect in India about his payment terms with the client..Architects and associated consultants are taken for granted and paid less than what the invoice says....Still Clients and Contractors expect full co-operation from the consultants.Majority clients do not understand what Architecture is and what pains an Architect takes for designing a project( I am talking of large scale projects),in bringing up a project which will be fruitful for the client.Failure of project is purely not an Architect's responsibility...it the responsibility of one who prepares the feasibility report of the project(If its an Architect..then yes he/she/firm can be blamed for it)


By Saleel Deshpande, Sr.Architectural Co-ordinator, Dar Al-Handasah(Shair and Partners)  | 01 13 2010 11:07:10 +0000
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Team work I eally mean is beteen executing engineer & architect. Contractor is a different proposition & will work under the supervision of executing engineer as per drawings provided by architect at an aggreed rate. Other than own reasons contractor cannot be held responsible for any delay nor he can be forced to work below a resonable rate. In fact contractor has no way related to architectural changes or financial implication. Contractor simply doing a business in delivering quality work as aggreed as per aggreed (by contractor) rate.If contractor is forced to do a work at an unworkable rate, it would be unethical on the part of executing engineer & client. Even architect must indicate that such changes would cost how much.Many a time I have experienced that blame for delay generally goes to contractor but the fact is 99% contractor want to complete earlier than what client desires. For a delay in project generally client & supervision engineers are responsible as delay is always in multifold due to indecision, not releasing timely payments, local hinderances that should have been sorted out bu client/PMC etc. Thus for a project delay I will not only blame the entire team I have mentioned earlier along with the client.
By Biranchi Narayan Acharya, Chief Manager (Projects), Simplex Infrastructures Ltd  | 11 21 2009 11:53:41 +0000
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You are right here.. The changes are more in the residential sector where as commercial sector can be well controlled. I have been associated with projects with more that 500 residential units many times, cane share with you some techniques we used to follow if you wish so. My personal id is sunleo6@yahoo.com.


By Sunil R Kumar, Vice President (Contracts ), Mfar Constructions  | 11 21 2009 08:21:35 +0000
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Dear Mr. Acharya,

 

I have no differences in the team work. But when it comes to cost reimbursements with regard to changes, there goes the team work away. Clients and Consultants normally believe that such re-works can be carried out by the BOQ rates ( some times very old), where as the restricted work space constraints demands for extra ordinary arrangements and cost there by. Here it is very difficult to have a win-win situation. In some cases the clients delay decision on such payments and contractor goes ahead with good faith and finally have to compromise with whatever the client decides. Here money matters not the team work… An unbiased straight forward approach will genuinely solve the issues. I am not telling it is same everywhere but majority is like that


By Sunil R Kumar, Vice President (Contracts ), Mfar Constructions  | 11 21 2009 08:16:50 +0000
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I think architects are integrated part of the project. Any delay or cost implications there upon may be in the interest of the project & as per wish of the client. Both engineer & architect combined is a team. Hence it is wrong to blame any part as expectedly both are ethically observe their profession


By Biranchi Narayan Acharya, Chief Manager (Projects), Simplex Infrastructures Ltd  | 11 21 2009 07:54:18 +0000
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Agreed Mr.Sunil. But there are Companies that are proactive by spending time for analysis. I agree that Customers make frequent demands for change. In this era of customisation, we should have well-knit systems to take care of the FEASIBLE revisions without compromising QUALITY and that affect the attempts towards OPTIMIZATION.


By Resmi Maxim, GENERAL MANAGER - OPERATIONS, SI PROPERTY (KERALA) PVT.LTD.,  | 11 21 2009 04:48:09 +0000
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The three situations that are attributed to be the lapses on the Architect’s part are potentially resolvable. Architects cannot be made fully responsible for the delay in implementing a Project and for the defects as well. All the three circumstances can be attached to a penalty clause and made legally enforceable with proper documentary support.  A proactive approach with a perfect planning and co-ordination will definitely help minimizing such lapses. Here is where a strong and sturdy Project Team works effective!


By Resmi Maxim, GENERAL MANAGER - OPERATIONS, SI PROPERTY (KERALA) PVT.LTD.,  | 11 18 2009 09:33:42 +0000
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