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A new campaign has been launched to address the issue of corporal punishment and emotional abuse being inflicted upon students as punishment for their offences. In this light, discuss about corporal punishment and the new campaign.

Refer - Education times, TOI, Delhi 

 
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hello and please let me have a word in this matter.

I have become involved in major issues regarding any form of violence. I was coopted as member of the German Federation of scientists as an expert in matters of violence. I have changed in a very radical way all the perspectives upon violence in the world. What I see in this discussion is that you are discussing topics that are now to be seen as the old ones. I am sorry to have to tell you that you simply do not operate on the most recent knowledge upon these matters. If you need and wish to be informed, please write to me and I will do my best to help out with whatever I can in order to help you create an opinion that will meet the most recent research and knowledge about what violence does when and why and why the issue you are discussing is very important and needs to be discussed further implementing the newest research on the matter. 

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Andreu Ginestet

Member of the Vereinigung Deutscher Wissenschaftler


By andreu ginestet, Corporate Planning/Strategy Manager, ginestet  02 25 2009 20:29:25 +0000
 
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No i don't agree with suhas on this issue, punishment should be given if they have done wrong, you can't just leave them by just having them fined and then let off, they ll do the same thing again and they know that if they pay fine they ll be let off, so by giving punishment there will be a sense of fear that they should be not doing such a thing in the first place and they ll think twice before doing any such activities in future, which helps children in a better way.....
By Sumit Batra, Sr Sub Editor/Sr Reporter, TOI  11 24 2008 12:50:46 +0000
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I agree with what andreu said.


By Sudeep Tarafdar, Senior Consultant, IBM  | 03 25 2009 05:43:46 +0000
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Another and last remark for today: violence is a system that has many, many facets. In order to be able to really face the issue, it is necessary to accept the complexity of the phenomenon and to look at all its parts at once. Talking about one single form of violence is a reduction of complexity that needs to be refered as such and understood as such. Complex perspectives need to be created ahead of any partial discussion of the phenomenon.


By andreu ginestet, Corporate Planning/Strategy Manager, ginestet  | 02 26 2009 14:48:41 +0000
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Fifth: this doesn't mean that we have finished our work. The implementation activities have started 2 years ago. The research went in absolute silence for more than 15 years before any of it became known to any public. Comunicating the issues in the right way will be the major issue in the future. We are racing against time. The clock runs even faster as global crisis do converge.

Sixth: we intend to keep it silent as long as possible in order to make the work applicable to reality, without major discussions being needed. We call it a soft evolution. The change will happen in very small steps and we want it to go as much as possible in an imperceptible and non reversable way, except for the fact, that discussions like this one will be noticed and directed slowly to a more suitable standard of know-how and positions defending any use of violence may become obsolete and be replaced by those enabling the alternative.

Seventh: don't expect me to tell any person in any way in a couple of sentences what our know-how is about. If you want it, you earn it. And this means that you work it step by step.

Eighth: the know-how is available in English as a conference made for the World Criminology Association and presented first in 2008 at the XV World Congress of Criminology. The core text is right now being revised -precisely- by a person who has earned the Indira Gandhi price. We are meeting soon, in a couple of weeks. That part is written in Spanish. Weather it will and how it will be published in English is left to be seen after our meeting and discussions.

Ninth: for more information I am here to give it.

Tenth: any opinion is valid to be discussed, also an opinion that I understand as not valid from a scientific point of view. Good or bad does not exist in regards with pure logic. To be or not to be, that is the question.

 


By andreu ginestet, Corporate Planning/Strategy Manager, ginestet  | 02 26 2009 14:43:47 +0000
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ok, hello all again.

First: I am doing research on the structure of violence itself. This means that in the first place I have put violence as the core or central research issue into the panel of work. I started this initiative first in the arts and created by the means of comunication through the arts social experiments that worked out to be fine in Germany in groups of more than 1400 persons at once. I am working on the issues since 1988 as a central issue in my life. I decided that one man standing is enough to stop violence existing. Gandhi did a very good work. This was for a reason. Times were not ripe as they are now. Times evolve. Gandhi's thoughts sequels too.

Second: the research is not done in solitude standing. I have a large network in which we cooperate and produce the results on a grounded basis. We actually work the theme with many different disciplines, but we have mainly managed to implement the system and the grounded theory for this research and that is the most innovative aspect of it.

Third: violence has been researched in a very thorough way and from the perspective of violence itself as a system.

3a: This implies that first of all violence had to be identified as a system.

3b: This implies too, that violence had to be understood as a system within systems and its system function needed to be redefined accepting the paradoxes it contains.

3c: This then means that once the system is described for the first time and you understand its function within other systems you are able to choose between running the system or trying an alternative.

3d:we have designed the alternative and tried it out in closed experiments. It works.

3e: We have headed for the alternative. Violence as a system will not be able neither allowed to operate any more where we use our influence on it. Violence is finished and ended since we have a real choice about it. The identification of the core of the violence system was the real challenge and this seems to be pretty over.

Fourth, as we understand violence and the alternative we are already working on the implementation of the alternative functions at a light-speed. This work is being overlooked by UN, NATO members and public administration members as well as the scientific network itself, etc...

 


By andreu ginestet, Corporate Planning/Strategy Manager, ginestet  | 02 26 2009 14:39:08 +0000
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I agree, punishment will not bring in change but at the same time the student must relaize what he dis is wrong and the an opportunity to be created for him to correct wrong doing
By Vinayarajan KV, Head/VP/GM-Sales, EP Tech  | 11 25 2008 06:39:53 +0000
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I have been a teacher and the punishment meted out to students is not working. Most of them get used to it and some of them would rather waste class time with idiotic issues than study. So, punishment is not justified as students are immune to it and they just get away with making fun of the teacher. They should not be given warnings and should be rusticated without a second chance.


By neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp  | 11 24 2008 13:43:17 +0000
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I agree with suhas on this issue Both the teachers and school authorities should ban these corporal punishments which is happening, it is not only making the students fear these things, but it is also affecting the way of  upbringing in these schools,  they should either fine them or talk to their parents if they have done anything wrong, but punishing them infront of other students and giving some bad punishments which is morally wrong and totally uncalled for, and this practice  should go, this is not the right way to go about it.....
By Shrikant Chaudhari, Sr Sub Editor/Sr Reporter, U TV  | 11 24 2008 08:24:18 +0000
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Instead of corporal punishment one can go in for penalties, fines & stuff....In this age of human rights it is very difficult to let anyone go through that kind of inflicted torture.
By Suhas Goel, Consultant, Corporate Alliances, Events & Promotions, Cox & Kings P. Ltd.  | 11 24 2008 03:31:47 +0000
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adreu, as you say ur an expert. Please update us on this matter. It would be good to know on this.......


By Satish Kadam, Sales/BD Manager, IBM  | 02 26 2009 06:56:52 +0000
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In My view punishment to a student is necessary.

It is necessary that he should be in a position to admit his mistake.It is not that every student learning in the same way.  A good teacher knows the nature of his/her student. A good student never remembers about the punishment later stage.

Fine,  no way gets any effect because will be paid by parents.

 


By Bellala Gopinatha Rao, Senior Project Manager, Promax Management Consultants  | 12 13 2008 16:46:04 +0000
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