Technology is far more advance now "its not only paper work ,the designer gives the presentation in 3d form".yes do agree with the fact about site condition.even then the designer will takes the decision.A thoughly experienced Civil Engineer can make the people to complete the construction with in time limit and maintaing quality of construction.The fact is very few architects are their in both design and construction.Designing with innovative ideas is their main theme of work."DESIGN & CONSTRUCTION IS A SINGLE COIN WITH TWO FACES"a well experienced architect in construction field and an civil engineer with through knowledge in understanding the design and executing it. both of them can be good project manager & mainly with MANAGEMENT SKILLS................
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parimala , Freelancer, Construction
| 05 03 2011 10:22:33 +0000
yes both are the importtent rolplay in the any costruction if any single person can not handle the all the things so i think both are very importent if any constructions.
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n jagadish, technical Manager, Rubycom
| 07 14 2010 17:53:23 +0000
I feel ,if an architect, design engineer, the electro mechanical consultants did their job well on time a onstruction engineer can do the work properly at site with the help of a commercial cum adminisrative manager,who in reality manages all the departments like purchase, technical and finance .So when we all jon together , a client's dream ,an architects visual support , with a teams planning effort and lots men and machineries timely physical effort bloom......
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Preetha , Architect Manager, Southern Techno Ventures
| 06 29 2009 06:13:06 +0000
<p>As Design Engineer you Know the limitations Exactely & can give Inputs instantely to suit the site conditions .You could know where to pinpoint & related to Quality & Speed you could better give direction for site site engineers.So as design knowledge we could controle the cost of project where no much importance given.A Project Manager could not Reduce the Cost of Project in design related issue.But a Project Manager With Design knowledge could reduce cost & Time of the Project Work Considerably to suit site conditions.So design Project Manager gets two benifit </p>
<p>1 Instant Decision when team is at site & considerable time & resources saved.</p>
<p>2 By pinpointing where design saving could be done suiting site conditions.</p>
<p>If you have reduce 20% work & due to instant decision you could save 10% time .</p>
<p>in real term you saved 30% Cost & you are 30% ahead.</p>
<p>I am using it in my current role & find structural design knowledge very benificial.</p>
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Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure
| 05 17 2009 19:13:04 +0000
As Design Engineer you Know the limitations Exactely & can give Inputs instantely to suit the site conditions .You could know where to pinpoint & related to Quality & Speed you could better give direction for site site engineers.So as design knowledge we could controle the cost of project where no much importance given.A Project Manager could not Reduce the Cost of Project in design related issue.But a Project Manager With Design knowledge could reduce cost & Work Considerably to suit site conditions.So design Project Manager gets two benifit 1 Instant Decision when team is at site & considerable time & resources saved. 2 By pinpointing where design saving could be done suiting site conditions. If you have reduce 20% work & due to instant decision you could save 10% time . in real term you saved 30% Cost & you are 30% ahead. I am using it in my current role & find structural design knowledge very benificial.
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Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure
| 05 17 2009 19:02:05 +0000
As Design Engineer you Know the limitations Exactely & can give Inputs instantely to suit the site conditions .You could know where to pinpoint & related to Quality & Speed you could better give direction for site site engineers.So as design knowledge we could controle the cost of project where no much importance given.A Project Manager could not Reduce the Cost of Project in design related issue.But a Project Manager With Design knowledge could reduce cost & Work Considerably to suit site conditions.So design Project Manager gets two benifit 1 Instant Decision when team is at site & considerable time & resources saved. 2 By pinpointing where design saving could be done suiting site conditions. If you have reduce 20% work & due to instant decision you could save 10% time . in real term you saved 30% Cost & you are 30% ahead. I am using it in my current role & find structural design knowledge very benificial.
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Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure
| 05 17 2009 19:01:38 +0000
As Design Engineer you Know the limitations Exactely & can give Inputs instantely to suit the site conditions .You could know where to pinpoint & related to Quality & Speed you could better give direction for site site engineers.So as design knowledge we could controle the cost of project where no much importance given.A Project Manager could not Reduce the Cost of Project in design related issue.But a Project Manager With Design knowledge could reduce cost & Work Considerably to suit site conditions.So design Project Manager gets two benifit 1 Instant Decision when team is at site & considerable time & resources saved. 2 By pinpointing where design saving could be done suiting site conditions. If you have reduce 20% work & due to instant decision you could save 10% time . in real term you saved 30% Cost & you are 30% ahead. I am using it in my current role & find structural design knowledge very benificial.
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Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure
| 05 17 2009 19:00:51 +0000
As Design Engineer you Know the limitations Exactely & can give Inputs instantely to suit the site conditions .You could know where to pinpoint & related to Quality & Speed you could better give direction for site site engineers.So as design knowledge we could controle the cost of project where no much importance given.A Project Manager could not Reduce the Cost of Project in design related issue.But a Project Manager With Design knowledge could reduce cost & Work Considerably to suit site conditions.So design Project Manager gets two benifit 1 Instant Decision when team is at site & considerable time & resources saved. 2 By pinpointing where design saving could be done suiting site conditions. If you have reduce 20% work & due to instant decision you could save 10% time . in real term you saved 30% Cost & you are 30% ahead. I am using it in my current role & find structural design knowledge very benificial.
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Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure
| 05 17 2009 19:00:25 +0000
As Design Engineer you Know the limitations Exactely & can give Inputs instantely to suit the site conditions .You could know where to pinpoint & related to Quality & Speed you could better give direction for site site engineers.So as design knowledge we could controle the cost of project where no much importance given.A Project Manager could not Reduce the Cost of Project in design related issue.But a Project Manager With Design knowledge could reduce cost & Work Considerably to suit site conditions.So design Project Manager gets two benifit 1 Instant Decision when team is at site & considerable time & resources saved. 2 By pinpointing where design saving could be done suiting site conditions. If you have reduce 20% work & due to instant decision you could save 10% time . in real term you saved 30% Cost & you are 30% ahead. I am using it in my current role & find structural design knowledge very benificial.
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Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure
| 05 17 2009 18:59:58 +0000
As Design Engineer you Know the limitations Exactely & can give Inputs instantely to suit the site conditions .You could know where to pinpoint & related to Quality & Speed you could better give direction for site site engineers.So as design knowledge we could controle the cost of project where no much importance given.A Project Manager could not Reduce the Cost of Project.But a Project Manager With Design knowledge could reduce cost & Work Considerably to suit site conditions.So design Project Manager gets two benifit 1 Instant Decision when team is at site & considerable time & resources saved. 2 By pinpointing where design saving could be done suiting site conditions. If you have reduce 20% work & due to instant decision you could save 10% time . in real term you saved 30% Cost & you are 30% ahead. I am using it in my current role & find structural design knowledge very benificial.
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Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure
| 05 17 2009 18:56:38 +0000
As Design Engineer you Know the limitations Exactely & can give Inputs instantely to suit the site conditions .You could know where to pinpoint & related to Quality & Speed you could better give direction for site site engineers.So as design knowledge we could controle the cost of project where no much importance given.A Project Manager could not Reduce the Cost of Project.But a Project Manager With Design knowledge could reduce cost & Work Considerably to suit site conditions.So design Project Manager gets two benifit 1 Instant Decision when team is at site & considerable time & resources saved. 2 By pinpointing where design saving could be done suiting site conditions. If you have reduce 20% work & due to instant decision you could save 10% time . in real term you saved 30% Cost & you are 30% ahead. I am using it in my current role & find structural design knowledge very benificial.
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Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure
| 05 17 2009 18:56:05 +0000
I do have a different perspective on this debate. First of all a Project Manager need not be an Engineer. Project Management is a unique skill that comprises 80% Management skills & 20% project eningeering knowledge. Some times even with out specific project engineering knowledge, a project managers have to roll the ball well. I observe constuction managers have limitations within execution domain. They seldom do lateral/outof box thinking. It is not only the problem with them, but also the nature of their function which demands most of the time to deal with unorganized group of labour. Their deliverables are directly related with the performance of the core work groups, A project manager is a funcion who has an bird's eye view on this project and could work towards fulfilling the implied & stated needs of the stake holders by effecitively managing Scope, Time, Cost & Quality with effective application of all domains of management. Considering the above said skill set, the architect/design engineer with better understanding of the project and its needs, the needs of the stake holders, who can direct a construction manager, Effectively Apply Managerial skills, would be my choise.
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Raj Mahender, Project Management Consultant at freelance
| 05 15 2009 07:43:01 +0000
I support wht Ms.Rajeshwari says Its an architect who has to vishualise things from scrap put it to forms on paper C tht it is workable , viable and constructable ...after all the process next stage will be construction where const project manager comes into picture and guess he has some basis already done by architect on hw to go ahead with things itz nothing like he doesnt have any role ...he is the person who makes dreams come true .....to concluded both are llike two eyes to the project which serve same purpose at the end of the day ...Successfully project completion !!
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vijay kumar malipatil, Project co ordinator, L&T urban Infrastructure Ltd.
| 05 11 2009 05:34:01 +0000
For an individual to be an efficient Project Manager particularly in Construction Inudstry, that individual should have exposure and experience in both the fields (design Engineering/Architect and Construction) mentioned here, He does not need to be an expert in both but definitely in one domain. There are many Construction engineers who do not know the most of the desigining aspects similarly many Design Engineer/Architect are not well versed with practical Construction procedures/impediments and how to resolve them. Project Management is not just simply transfering what is on the paper to ground. This aspect is just a small part of entire project management. Hence a pure Design Engineer/Architect without Practical Field Knowledge and a pure Construction Engineer without Design Knowledge cannot be succesful Project Managers.
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sridhara ME, PMP, Project Manager, eman
| 04 30 2009 09:16:39 +0000
the total project is conceptulaised and visulaised by the Architect or design engineer. he is the peroon who is responsible for all the desisions and activities in the pre construction stage of the project.major project decisions such as planning, cost, specifications, methodology, etc are decided by the client in consultation with the architect.in the construction stage it is only the implementation of all the decisions taken in the pre construction stage. form a manager's point of view, it becomes easier to manage and deliver the project if it is well charted out at the beginning. also architect is more aware of the effect of variations and changes at the execution stage if they are to be done. Architect possess an eagle eye view of the project and can act as better project manager
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rajeshwari jagtap, Project Architect and Project Co-ordinator, PRASHANT DESHMUKH AND ASSO
| 04 30 2009 06:58:29 +0000
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Construction of any project is executional . We can say in a crude way , on-site verification of designs, materials, labours, schedules & cost involved. Whereas, Designing of projects considers, the standard available, rule and regulation prevalent in Industry / country, Clients requirements, Out put expected for the rated in put etc. If we see these, we can infer that Project Manager role goes more akin to construction job. I feel Construction engineer's experience will add more value to be a project manager.
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KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed
| 02 26 2011 17:12:43 +0000
ARchitect roll are to creat a project in totality with asthetic sence as priority and space planning optimsing and integrtaing all requirement operational /functional on scope documentations. Design engneer makes the detail engineering based on the various building,roads etc., with occupants requirement with strctural/civil/MEP /utilities designing an planning with drwaings,technical specifications, boq, qaqp,data sheets, codes/standrad and commercial and contracts and hand over to implemenation The project manager needs to understand and implement keeping budget to closing with time frame and cost frame. He needs to undertsand requirement from constrcution site as free from over head transmission lines, below ground gas/water /drainage etc., /starting with constrcution site office may be with potta and DG set and concive the project in line with creation task cretated from Architect /design engneer. Since all roll /resposibility/task are diffrenet , mor eor less, people fron school of building scince has prooved better than that of civil eng.
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Niranjan Shastri, Head of the Department, pmcprojects(I)pvt ltd
| 12 17 2010 11:09:40 +0000
FULL MARKS FOR CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER (110/100)... AS A CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER I MUST SAY HERE THAT WE ARE THE MAIN EXECUTER OF ANY DESIGN... THE ARCHITECT MADE DESIGN ON THERE MIND BUT WE MADE IT IN REALITY.. WITHOUT US NO STRUCTURE WILL STAND ANY WHERE... ONLY MAKING OF ANY DESIGN IS NOT ENOUGH THEY NEED STRUCTURAL AND CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER...!!!!!!
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Nohar Singh Dhruv, Jr. Engg, Chhatisgarh State Electrical Board
| 07 14 2010 16:44:24 +0000
I agree. When the Architect becomes a project Manager, his creativity may erode because of all the administrative hassles. The Construction engineer's role is to implement the Architect's design using all the inputs at his disposal. He need not spend his time in creative designing.
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Harish Vadgama, Proprietor, Self , Freelance
| 07 14 2010 15:30:22 +0000
CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER WHILE EXECUTING THE WORK AT FIELD FOLLOWING THE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS OBSERVE THE CORRECTNESS ALSO AS PER SITE REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFY THEM ACCORDINGLY ,THIS ONLY BECAUSE DURING GOING THROUGH DEGREE COURSE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE WAS ALSO A SUBJECT ,THATS WHY I SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER WHO IN ALLWEATHER GO FOR WORK TO GET IT COMPLETED SUCCESFULLY ,WHILE DESIGN AND ARCHITECT REMAIN ALWAYS IN A/C CHAMBERS,THATSWHY I SEE THE FIELD ENGINEERS SAYING TO THEM WHAT U KNOW ABOUT WORK WHICH IS EXECUTED IN ALL WEATHER.
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SB DIKSHIT, STATE QUALITY MONITOR, U.P.R.R.D.A
| 06 26 2009 06:31:47 +0000
I support the views of Mr.harnam singh because a successful Project Manager has gone through various sequences/tasks of construction for a project.Architect/Structural/Design Engineer plays the role what has been defined by Mr.Harnam Singh
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syed jaffer ali, Project Manager, Aulia constructions
| 06 02 2009 10:27:27 +0000
I well agree with Sinha's point that it will augment the Project Mnagaer's efficacy in reducing the rework and structural effeciveness ofthe building.I disagree that that this aspect itself is sufficient for successfull project Mnagement.Manpower management ,material mobilization,ensuring funds/ cash flow and decisions from all including himself to ensure the smoth progress of the project are the responcibilities of the Project Manager.If these requirements are met with he can be placed as Projectr manager.
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Mallaya Pandravada, GM-Project , GSSInfraTech Pvt Ltd
| 05 18 2009 06:08:59 +0000
The Architect becoming the Project Manager is not a good Idea. Both of them are different in their domains. If we consider the Architect as a creative person, The Construction Engineer is a Person who implements the Ideas to give a beautiful shape to the Project. So each one should play their role properly and respect other person profession and there should not be a place for superiority one above the other.
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Srinivas S.Mantrala, PMP, Executive Engineer, A.P.S.Police Housing Corporation
| 05 14 2009 15:04:49 +0000
Mr.Shankar is absolutely correct.As he said construction engineers face a lot of problems at the construction site.They need to direct and coordinate among all the workers working out there,to address their queries or doubts,to assist them in their work & to provide them feedback from time to time about their work.Other than that to make sure that there is no delay in the work going on,all the equipments and materials are available and the whole work is done smoothly........They handle various responsibilities and according to me they will be more successful as project managers than design engineers.
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Anjali Bhatia, Construction-Heavy, Sobha Developers
| 05 11 2009 07:06:57 +0000
Construction Engineers are more successful. Construction engineers have to interact the peoples involved on the project . Construction engineer is the only person who can organise, lead and plan to complete the project smoothly. Actully construction engineers face the real problems at work site. They know how to handle the problems on site. So credits go to construction engineers only.
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Bhim Shankar Mehar, Sr. Engineer, Project, Bhushan Power & Steel Ltd.
| 05 10 2009 14:09:54 +0000
Project Manager is the responsible key person for the success / failure of the project so this role should be governed by construction Engineer because in most of cases Architect / Design Engineer are not thoroughly aware of the hurdles during implementation and sometimes it requires to modify the original planning during the implementation.While the original planning prepared by the construction engineer may have taken care of such hurdles to be faced during the implementation so modification stage may be eliminated.
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Jogesh D. Shah, Head/VP/GM-Corporate Planning/Strategy, Bhavna Property Developers Limited
| 05 09 2009 14:07:51 +0000
A Construction Engineer will definetly be a sucessfull Manager as compared to Architect and Design Engineer. A Design Engineer is meant here a strutural designer. These are totally diffrent fields. An architect has to develope a structure a building on drawing , he has to do all space planning , he has to give aesthetic i.e he has to decide appearnace of the structure and other building controls as per local bye Laws. Similarly Design Engineer will design the structure as per codal provisions. Construction Engineer will execute the project as per concept of architect and as per structural design of the design Engineer, He has to cordinate between the two and sometimes he has to take decision in case of conflict between the two. Most of the times he has to decided specification of the work at site.In addition to above a construction engineer having sound knowlege of strutural engineering will be a very cnfident man in taking decisions at site.Moreover construction engineer will have to do manpower and material planning and budgeting at site which is not critcal for an Architect and Design engineer. It is certain that only Construction Engineer will only be a successful Manager.
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Er. Harnam Singh, Project Manager, CPWD
| 05 08 2009 15:55:55 +0000
Though the success of any team leader depends mainly upon the individual, the construction engineer is better equipped to handle the ground level problems through his/her experience. The architect however efficient in planning at drawings and the details on paper, is less exposed to the broader bands of human beings and therefore likely to be less successful in handling the complex issues of civil engineering projects.
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joshi avinash achyutrao, Head/VP/GM-Corporate Planning/Strategy, water resources dept, govt of maharashtra
| 05 04 2009 08:23:16 +0000
The Construction Engineer can do better as a project manager.But if u compare an Architect and Construction Engineer, it is like asking egg is first or chicken is first !! Infact for putting the paper plan on the ground the role of Construction Engineer is more. But without proper planning u cannot get a good project. Idea is only comes from Architect. We do the ass job and implement the dreams of Architect into a real project. No body is inferior. Every one is good in their field. Anyway Hats off to raise this question. N.S.Rao A.E,CPWD
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N.Sreenivasa Rao, Construction Management, Central Public Works Department
| 05 03 2009 10:38:19 +0000
Obviously a construction Engineer can more effective as Project Manager.Next comes the structural Engineer and lastly the architect.The knowledge of the construction engineer about the site problems; mobilisation of the labour,maintaining the cash flow, Keeping track of engineering tasks while taking care of profit loss statements,payments to labour and apraising the Head office is more than an entrapreneur's Job.A construction EDngineer is groomed from inseption in these roles and he will be quite effective. Every body else from different desciplene need more training where a construction Engineer readilly fits into.
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Mallaya Pandravada, GM-Project , GSSInfraTech Pvt Ltd
| 05 01 2009 11:41:00 +0000
Rajeshwari, I respect your point of view but cant agree with it because only a construction engineer knows each and every minute details about handling a project. The sucess and failure of a project totally depends upon time bound completion within estimated cost. The architect can have a rough idea about how to cut cost and how to ncrease speed but meticulous planning and exact forcasting the future problems and solving bottle necks is a cup of tea that only a construction engineer can have.
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ashish palsuley, Construction-Residential, GBI Pvt. Ltd.
| 05 01 2009 10:24:20 +0000
Construction engineer.......... This is not right place for debate on this topic... This place is full of construction engineers.....so u will find lot of support for construction engineers..... I am a construction engineer and I support construction engineer...
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Yogendra Singh Chauhan, Civil Engineer-Highway Roadway, AECOM
| 04 30 2009 08:58:10 +0000
Construction engineer.......... This is not right place for debate on this topic... This place is full of construction engineers.....so u will find lot of support for construction engineers..... I am a construction engineer and I support construction engineer...
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Yogendra Singh Chauhan, Civil Engineer-Highway Roadway, AECOM
| 04 30 2009 08:58:04 +0000
I WILL SUPPORT TO BOTH .The designers also can do the PM's role in management part.Execution is not the only role of PM.Designers are the real cost controller by doing in good economic design .But coming to the Execution part ,the Construction engineers can do the job in right time.......
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RajasekarL , Planning Assistant, L&T ECCD
| 04 30 2009 03:31:35 +0000
Well, the catagorization of various engineering departments i.e. Architects, Design engineer or Constructon engineer are more based on academic qualifications. Experiences in the field brings out the elements of all the 3 in a professional. So catogarical judgement may not always be true.
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Nittoor Jayaram Suresh, Sr.Project Manager, DHV India Pvt. Ltd
| 04 29 2009 22:47:11 +0000
It is somthing like my debate planning v/s execution, but there people give more weitage to planning, here all engineers are saying execution means construction engineer. By the way I still give more weightage to construction engineer real executor
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Nitin M Aras, Head/VP/GM-Tech. Support, ODTIN Food Solutions Pvt Ltd
| 04 29 2009 14:17:34 +0000
I agree with Pragya Construction Engineer implements ideas ( Imagination) of Architect / Designer Engineer at construction site and face many problems to implement Architects ideas so Construction Engineers will be more successful as Project Manager's role in Construction Projects.
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Dilip Singh Rathore, Construction-General Building, Deep Associates
| 04 29 2009 12:50:12 +0000
When the options are limited to just two of the above mentioned I will go with the Construction Manager/Engineer. But given a chance to select between all the parties of the project to successfully handle the Project Manger's job, I will put my bet on Planning Manager/Engineer. Planning Engineer is the person who creates his program by co-ordinating between all the departments of the project, from technical to execution to mep to quantities and billing. A complete and realistic program has all the ingredients and so the brain behind it has the idea of what is the objective of the project and how to achieve them.
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Mohammad Shariq, Planning Engineer, Al Shafar General Contracting LLC
| 04 29 2009 11:43:17 +0000
Undoubtedly it is the construction engineer. An architect may put the concept on paper, but it is the construction engineer who builds it. He knows what problems come during construction, which the architect or the design engineer may never know or experience.
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Manish Mokal, Senior manager, Mumbai Internation Airport Limited
| 04 29 2009 11:40:35 +0000
Architects (by default) mainly concentrates on aesthetics, external elevation etc.. Most of them are least concerned about the usability, construction difficulties, utilisation of space etc.. Project team/construction manager holding real site experience only can help in solving such issues. Architects converts their creativity/visualisation to paper.. Project team converts it to reality..
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Shaju George, Facilities/Construction Manager, IBS Software Services (P) Ltd
| 04 28 2009 06:24:06 +0000
ya i totaly agree with nitin, Civil Engineer is the person who can execute the ideas of designer on site, while execution he is facing lots of problem to fullfill that ideas on site but he can manage it very well, So that i feel that Engr. is successfull Project Manager's Role in construction project
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Mangala Shetty, Project coordinator
| 04 28 2009 06:21:14 +0000
I will bet on a CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER because he is one who poses the skills and experience to FACE on the FIELD Problems...!!!
Architects /Design Engineers may turn ideas and visualization onto the PAPER...
But it is Construction Engineer who knows its limitation and feasibility of such ideas as well as alternatives means of convering them to reality...!!!
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M NITIN SHENOY, PMP, IPMA-D, CEng MICE, Manager
| 03 20 2009 08:58:11 +0000
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