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Created by : Sulagna Brahma, Sr Reporter, Leading Indian English Daily  | 03 10 2010 11:48:13 +0000
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In a recent news article on the same lines said Hindus are now being relegated to a position of minorities in India and soon if the things are not controlled it will become a Pakistan. And these are some points which were being discusses there:
* Every year over 8 lakh Hindus were being converted into various other religions
* Hindu girls were being lured by men from other religions with the strength of money and carnal pleasures.
* Everyday Hindu religious and social leaders were being killed by mobs belonging to other religions and many political parties operating in the country were mainly responsible for this carnage of Hindus.
* The Jehadi groups in India are now emboldened due to political backing and were ravaging Hindu communities openly in the country.

* Hindu girls were being lured by Muslim men offering them money & other promises & then force them to marry them and subsequently convert them to Islam.
* Every day 7-8 Hindu girls were missing in Karnataka which was a case of Love Jihad she alleged..

So users, do you also think Hindus are becoming minorities in India?

 
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Yes, this is an unfortunate situation in India. In the name of secularism, these things are happening in India. Unfortunately, we are recognizing this fact. You are right oneday or the other Hindus will be become minorities in India.


By Kumara Swamy, Project Associate, IIIT-H  03 11 2010 04:08:01 +0000
 
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The Article, in reference, is based on selective-statistics.  If we base our fears on such half-baked news-mongering, we will lose our sanity.

The reality of ‘Bharat Khand’ is that this is the land that gave birth to many religions and also welcomed many religions from abroad, but the Hinduism has been and always will be the majority, at all times to come.

As for other counter instances, they are only a few and far between, when compared to our 120 Crore population. ‘India becoming a Pakistan’ is only cheap propoganda of some power-mongering Safron fanatics, to instigate passion among the hoi pollai.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  03 11 2010 04:19:28 +0000
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@Ajay. Mr. hold your tongue. Dont you its a public domain. You cant write whatever you like. I believe you have the common sense. Hindus are being made minorities. No debate is required for it.
By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 10 26 2012 05:16:22 +0000
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No,and if you realize it in negative way, then sorry its your problem,Because most of the corrupted leaders are from Hinduism,who had made millions of money in few years by the name of their political party mentioned by U.So my dear citizens be aware of these things&people to make our country peace and develop.For this first we have to do research on our cultures(it shows us about good-manners,humbleness..etc.,.so i request all thecitizens to befriendly for the nations development,Our forefathers were build this country with lot of efforts&sacrifice so be aware of western plans & their cultures,as they are dominating on us by the name of "FDI"and their dressing behaviorism.
By Mohammed Mahamood, MBA/PGDM student, St'Xaviers PG college.  | 10 26 2012 03:54:37 +0000
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hindus are bastards
By Ajay Blacksmit, administration, india  | 04 11 2012 10:38:33 +0000
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@JAYAGOPAL RAGHAVAN

100% right my brother! ur comment is too good!


By varunsangani , Freelancer, Freelancer  | 04 03 2012 18:05:25 +0000
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such situations itself divide the whole natoin
By Vikas Mishra, B.Tech/B.E. student, Lions School  | 04 02 2012 22:00:10 +0000
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Minority is not just quantitative - it is also qualitative. Minority mindset is a typical besieged way of thinking. Yet it has and is happening. Sadly yes
By Sunil S Chiplunkar, General Manager - Marketing & Training, Juggat Pharma, Pharma Div of Jagdale Ind Ltd., Bangalore  | 04 02 2012 14:33:25 +0000
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Yes, most certainly and i am sorry if people see a trend of racial hatred etc. in this discussion. But kudos to Sulagna for bringing such a discussion to fore. It is known history that hindu's are a docile race and lack trust for each other within the community. Otherwise we wouldnt have witnessed hordes of mughal invaders at our doorstep nor would we have been subjugated by the british. All this is clearly evident in history and not mere arguments. It is equally known fact that other religions like Muslim's and christians have race propagation as the core of their strategy. With the worse being muslims who with their penchant for 5 wives and umpteen children between them, are the main reason for sky rocketing world population. Christians arent too far behind with their opposition to abortion and their christian missions whose sole reason for existence in other countries is to convert people into their religion. I have personally seen and know of people from the poor strata of society who have been converted only with the lure of money and nothing else. Dont take my word for it but just visit a neighbourhood church during one of the sunday mass - you will find hordes of newly converted christians all belonging to the poor strata of society, you will find very few upper and middle income christians and the ones you see would have been regular church goers. It is only logical to understand why you find christian missionaries in slums increasingly - becuase thats a population that can be easily misguided with the lure of a few paltry bucks. In fact most of the NGO's receiving foreign funds in india are basically for converting people into christianity and most of them are assoicated with the church. While all this is happening - what do we do ? As Hindu's we sit twiddling our thumb and like woeful suckers swear by the govt's policies on poulation control by stopping with just one child or not even having one and other such measures. We as Hindu's are the first to come forward to implement govt policies in toto. Then we go ahead and fight with our neighbours - Nepal and manage to create utter distrust in them so that the only internationally declared Hindu country in the world also turns a foe. Like i said earlier, it is easy to blame govt policies alone for such a situation but still we dont seem to reflect inward. We as people have failed our own brethren. How many of us come forward to openly support a Hindu be it in giving employment opportunities or lending a hand in their education ? No sir, we do not find it fashionable to support our own brethren. And, dear motasim, you are talking of logic ?? How logical are you when you claim we all are from Allah ! Who gave you that right ? Is there any shred of evidence in your support ? Muslims have always claimed to have been the first religion of the world and even usurped Adam. Just think on the same logical plane that you advocate and forget the wrong teachings of your religious heads today - they propagate only hatred and ill will. I too have read parts of the Koran and no where it contains ideas that are being spread by your religious leaders of today !
By Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group  | 03 29 2012 18:42:49 +0000
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India Today's November 8th (2000) article details the life of Pakistani Hindus who are crossing the border to settle in India, all due to sustained harassment by Muslims. Bangladesh has successfully driven its once 35% Hindu population at partition to a mere 10% now. Conceivably, by 2050 Bangladesh will achieve the status of Pakistan: no significant Hindu population.
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By thomas philips, Lawyer/Attorney, thomasphilipslawfirm  | 03 27 2012 10:07:43 +0000
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yes. due to politicians own benefit they are the forming policies which is helping minorities and all the way neglect majority of people just to get votes from minorities.
By Anurag Agrawal, HR Admin Manager  | 03 20 2012 11:02:52 +0000
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Yes, the successive Govts. policies are responsible for this. A section of people are being treated as vote banks and providing them every possible incentive. These communities and castes dont believe in family planning, in order to continue to enjoy these incentives. In the guise of secularism, Govts. are allowing religious conversions.
By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 03 20 2012 07:00:14 +0000
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Unfortunately yes.
By Sunita Singh, teacher, school  | 04 04 2011 06:06:58 +0000
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You read history but not complete

once there were just 1% Muslims in Pakistan , now they are 97% and these were the tactics they used

wake up before it is too late


By Ravi Gautam, Material Mgmt Executive/Manager, Reliance Energy  | 02 24 2011 12:14:29 +0000
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You read history but not complete

once there were just 1% Muslims in Pakistan , now they are 97% and these were the tactics they used

wake up before it is too late


By Ravi Gautam, Material Mgmt Executive/Manager, Reliance Energy  | 02 24 2011 12:14:26 +0000
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Once there were only 1% Muslims in Pakistan ; now they are 97%


By Ravi Gautam, Material Mgmt Executive/Manager, Reliance Energy  | 02 24 2011 12:11:19 +0000
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yes because we care for our nation problem.
By HEMANT VERMA, Marketing and Branding, NAVNEET PUBLICATION INDIA LTD.  | 05 04 2010 10:30:49 +0000
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yeah but to a some extent........................it will be better for the current scenario
By Raghvendra Tripathi, Area Executive, ITC Ltd,Bhopal  | 05 04 2010 07:30:10 +0000
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Apart from opposing the argument with biassed vision, nothing concrete was said. Which is the half baked statistics? Past can not be taken as a proof for future. Our policies and politicians are biased towards appeasing minorities rather than being secular. How many of our politicians Know the true meaning of the word Secular? The ground reality is that the Hindus are discriminated by their own kind.

I will give one example which you can verify very easily. In 90% of cases where a hindu married a muslim, he/she will change his religion to muslim and not other way round


By R Mahesh, Asst. Manager/Manager (Technical), State Bank of Hyderabad  | 05 04 2010 00:16:31 +0000
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Yes this is happening Unknowingly to the Hindus itself. One other minority community (the lower uneducated one)they are getting married to lot 1:many women and populating the unproductive / arrogant / illerate society who next turn into cheap black traders, work against the society well being
By Krishnakumar , Software Developer, NotWishToSay  | 04 16 2010 05:17:11 +0000
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Unfortunately yes. They are becoming increasingly impotent with days passing by.


By Raghavachari S Nambi, Director Consulting Services , R S N & Associates Chartered Accountants  | 04 16 2010 03:57:49 +0000
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Yes, i think the hindus in our country are not getting the status what they really deserve. Today, i can say only one thing-" HANS CHUGEGA DANA TUNKA, KAUVA(CROW) MOTI KHAYEGA"
By rohit puri, Cust. Service Executive, the j&k bank ltd.  | 04 14 2010 03:34:55 +0000
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I think Sulagna is quite correct . Its time we should stop inter-religion conversion  and maintain secularity by being what we are because I feel we Hindus are habituated to accept all these without thinking that this might harm us. The way we( Hindus) think other religion dont. So its high time we give a deep look inti this matter.


By Tanmoy Chakraborty, Engineer, Jindal Steel and Power Limited  | 04 14 2010 03:05:44 +0000
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IN NEAR FUTURE WE WILL  HAVE TO FIGHT FOR RESERVATION IN OUR OWN COUNTRY & MORE TO SAY THIS COMMUNITY WILL FOUND IN HISTORY ONLY MAX TO MAX IN 80 MORE YEARS 


By Pranab Banerjee, Sr.Sales Officer, L & T EBG(ESP)  | 04 07 2010 09:08:14 +0000
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yes we hindus are a minority now

Go anywhere you haev reservation for all caste adn releigon and Hindus are counted in General

Moreover Muslism have gained a lot in past 5 yeasr post the bomb blast


By Nikhil , Senior Manager, Insurance  | 04 07 2010 07:06:43 +0000
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Yes ,and   there is a major role  of secular  parties  in further  dividing  india  on  cast basis  for political gain , these  days secular means that whoever  talks about welfare of  hindu society  as an entity  is fanatic  ,communal 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 31 2010 11:15:01 +0000
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Buddhism got eliminated in its birthplace because it preached monasticism for everybody , popularized atheism and became a danger for existence of society  ,


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 31 2010 10:09:46 +0000
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 Mr. Rao tell me a single religion which does not have superstition  , is there anything called "scientific faith "?  even then  hindues practices  are more logical  than others because we say that these practices are like steps .Hindu religion has nothing to  do with  cast discrimination , if upper casts deprived lower casts , Hinduism  can't be blamed for that  ,  we are still divided  ,  


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 31 2010 09:51:11 +0000
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Mr. Rao is agree with us on many points , but he does not  like  to be called fanatic 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 31 2010 09:07:50 +0000
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Mr Rao,

It is better that you get converted in other religion.

without any base just yakking along does not make a point.

people getting converted are;

  • sc/st/tribals/and people living BPL
  • money is not only the criteria but marriage,myth, people like you not giving proper info
  • love jihad
  • force coerciveness
  • political minority benefit of money,reservation and employment selection benefits.
  • north eastern state are being converted on everyday basis due to lack of proper guidance,political "italian 'connection
to preach and pratice hinduism people need gut as it need minimum clealiness, god fearing and many do and don't s and lot of restriction such as non violence fredom of religion and many.
Mr Rao please be better informed and go more into dept of the subject for seniiuor person like you and just do not fill pages.
rgds


By shivanand shenoy, self employed, siddhi  | 03 31 2010 08:37:08 +0000
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Yes wealthy  hindues should  give money and support  those people  who are working for  stopping conversion  , Getting relief from poverty is a  reason  for conversion  ,


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 31 2010 05:35:09 +0000
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hindu religion does not  neglects poor ,  hindu society does that  , there is  enough evidence  that  missionaries of Christianity & Islam  are being funded  from  other countries  for conversion ,  there are poor christian  and muslims  , but aim of these people is to increase number of followers , not to  remove poverty  ,


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 31 2010 04:45:54 +0000
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This conversion  Hindu to Muslim Or Christian is mainly coz of money funded by the other religions for conversion is more these people mainly concentration on poor people  for money children, education , job, facilities home food and be an fund riser for future reference etc . This should be stop  at the poor people who has been targeted specifically.


By Guru PG, Graphic/Web Designer online marketing designer, Freelancer  | 03 31 2010 01:27:52 +0000
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I like to ask navjeet, what is sensible way to answer question, you might have read the answer other community have answered.


By ndv , Advisor/Outside Consultant, kasper  | 03 30 2010 15:00:18 +0000
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yes i agree


By ndv , Advisor/Outside Consultant, kasper  | 03 30 2010 14:52:02 +0000
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slowly christianity and islam are eating into hindu territory. as long as this congress rules this situation stays like that. congress is anti-hindu. even if a muslim attacks india he gets his life secured with lot of facilities instead getting hanged! Many christian institutes for the sake of their religion's growth criticise hindutva's philosophy and its gods. this is not being stopped. this is the main reason behind attacks on churches in mangalore. these congress instead of stopping that particular institutes' publications banned the other side and termed them as terrorists! it means all these minorities have a free license to create cultural differences leading to communal riots. so we people should be ashamed of ourselves for voting sonia into power again. even recent design patterns over our 1,2 rs coins show that. time to introspect hindus!


By phanindra , B.Tech/B.E. student, College Of Engineering , Andhra University, Vishakhapatnam  | 03 30 2010 14:15:26 +0000
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Mr Kanwar I fully support your statement, Muslim's are always rigid with  their rules only we are used a s emotonal fool, & that too our politicians are great they will do any thing to a get a bloody vote.

If it will keep on happenning in the similer way , then one day we will be bound  to tear blood.


By Brij Kishor Mishra, Area Manager, Alcon Laboratories India Pvt Ltd  | 03 30 2010 03:48:36 +0000
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Agreed Mr Navjeet such sensitive issues should be dealt with very maturity in language,,,we are here to discuss & learn from each other,,,,look for each other 's perspective,,,and not to go personal.


By ujjval jain, Retail, Retail  | 03 28 2010 09:36:01 +0000
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Yes Navjeet very true ... I support you fully ... if there is no moderation .. than debate should stop by TOOSTEP admin ... if they are monitoring properly...

I was not expecting such comments in this debate ... rather I was surprised ... I f we are realy matured we should not air such abusing and hurting comments ... from any side.

It is such a good subject ... if we argue apropriately ... it will come out with some result .... but now it is becoming more and more personal ...

That is why I kept myself away from this ..


By Nitin M Aras, Head/VP/GM-Tech. Support, ODTIN Food Solutions Pvt Ltd  | 03 26 2010 05:20:49 +0000
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I do Agree with Mr.Amit pandey.

Islam is a sect and not a religion which is professed by Khalipha.

Hindu has become a lifestyle.I request Mr.Salaria to refrain from making hostile and personal comments as we are matured individuals and we would like harmony and preserve quality of life and our peace of mind.

I think this debate should be terminated and we are unnecessarily moving to unpleasant directions which will only make every participant have bitter taste in mouth.In this situation,is'nt it imperative that we keep mum(maun).

We are sons and daughters of Independent India which has become a developed country.We should not let outsider elements take disadvantage of our diversity and differences and spread hatred.


By SACHIN KORDE, Branch Head, Unnati Vehicles Pvt.Ltd. (Renault Nashik)  | 03 26 2010 04:40:19 +0000
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Is Islam a religion  at all,  its a kind of  social system  , where all people follow same belief ,   same method of worship ,whatever is written in there  book is true  , all else is false  , for centuries  no change ,

 

If the aim is to  stop growth of free thinking in  Mankind  probably  there is no way better than islam  ,

everybody knows  how Islam spread in world ,

Wherever  Islam went , it tried to destroy the culture  of native people , 

You people are quick in showing list of  discrepancies in Hindu Social System , your society is perfect ? it could be shown that  repetitive  invasion of  Islamic  invaders  , was responsible for tightening the  bounds of cast system, 

We doubt that Islam is a religion  at all,  its a kind of  social system  , where all people follow same belief ,   same method of worship ,whatever is written in there  book is true  , all else is false  ,  for   centuries  ,  
If the aim is to  stop growth of free thinking  for   Mankind  probably  there is no worst way than islam  ,

 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 26 2010 04:19:58 +0000
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Dear all fellow Indians,

I wIsh to share that this topic is going only one way.

Further for your info that definitely Hinduism is more than a yuga.from the days of lord RAM.

also it is proved beyond doubt that the remains in srilanka of ravana' fort,palaces found underground. lord Rama existed.hence Hinduism is that old or more.

Also scientifically it is proved that GENETICALLY THERE ARE ONLY 57 original STRINGS IN THE WORLD AND MOST OF THE ASIA STRING IS SINGLE WHICH IS ProVE THAT ONCE ALL HERE WERE HINDUS only.

THE FASTEST SPREAD IF ISLAM WAS DURING GHENKIS KHAN AND MOST OF THE MONGOLIA AND CHINE CARRY HIS GENE EVEN TODAY proven by science.

I SINCERELY AGREE the peril of illeteracy do exist but the worst is not allowing the women to get educated and marry four wives to single male and hypocrisy in the community of not obeying law of constitution of SECULAR India .

 


By shivanand shenoy, self employed, siddhi  | 03 25 2010 15:29:44 +0000
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The Hindu way of living has created more “Goats”, that too “Mountain Goats” - i.e. fiercely independent, free thinking, path breaking, Un-chained, radical leaders / personalities than any other religion in the world. We have had and still have and will continue to have more of these “Mountain Goats”, i.e. Rishis and Munis, than most other religions of the world which produce only “Sheeps”. Apart from the umpteen Rishis and Siddis over the ages, there have been and are millions of householders who have this freedom and maturity. This is one of the reasons the Hindu way of living is the most tolerant and peaceful in the world. This maturity and independence is the one thing that keeps this faith alive despite so many onslaughts from other beliefs, most of which are stifling.

 

I have oscillated from being a blind believer some time ago to being a total Atheist then to being an Agnostic then to study and follow another belief system and then to return and then to being a discerning questioner and seeker of truth….

 

Though qualities like being a blind believer, etc., has its own advantage and disadvantage, one has to outgrow these, like a pole-vaulter using the pole to reach a height and then letting it go to scale greater heights. This outgrowing is possible to a greater extent by following the Hindu way of life than other beliefs. If I was born into an Islamic family or a neo converted Christian family, would I ever have had the same kind of liberty (mentioned in the above paragraph)?

 

As far as I know, my spiritual journey will keep continuing and lead me through many more doors as long as I have an open mind. This open mindedness is what I refer to as freedom to think, freedom to choose, freedom to believe and to disbelieve.

 

Most other religions, especially Semitic religions, help to create more “Sheeps” (Non thinking blind followers with Herd mentality). Though there have been “Mountain Goats” here too, they are have been “Stifled” and “Pressed” by the Priests with the help of the majority “Sheep”. It was only after renaissance in Europe that such “Mountain Goats” started to appear in large numbers in the Christian west. In the Islamic nations such a thing has not yet happened.

 

But I know that “Mountain Goats” would always be a minority because of the difficulties that they face compared to the cosy life of the “Sheeps”. However cosy it might be, the “Sheep” has to be herded be kept inside a pen where as the “Mountain Goat” is independent and scales greater heights and sees things from the top (360 Deg Panoramic View). The “Sheep” can never ever reach this state. Like Fredrich Nietzsche said “There was only one true Christian and he died in the Cross (2000 years ago)”.

 

I definitely would love to be a “Mountain Goat” than a Sheep.

 

And many thanks to all those of you out there who are “Mountain Goats” :-)


By G A Narayan, VP - Marketing, KE Housing P. Ltd.  | 03 24 2010 16:50:28 +0000
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This article is truth, take for example. if omar abdullah C.M of J&K can marry a sikh, why his father and he himself apposed the marriage of sarah abdullah with sachin pilot, but they married still secretly. There are many true examples i can share.....

WE HINDUS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN MARRY YOUR DAUGHTER WITH MUSLIM, BUT MUSLIM CAN NEVER MARRY THERE DAUGTHER WITH A HINDU ( ONLY IN RARE CASES). Politicians are mentally sick in this country.

any way thanks to the writer, and docter check free to those who are opposed.          


By ndv , Advisor/Outside Consultant, kasper  | 03 24 2010 14:09:10 +0000
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Mr. Bhattacharya   hinduism is not a religion  " filled with jealousy dishonesty distrust disloyalty " , and  it seems that you are suggesting like  islam and christianity keeping logic and mind aside , all  hindues should follow  same belief  ,  it is  beauty of hinduism , even a nastik can call   himself  hindu , because we believe  that  everyone has   to realize  truth by himself , no dogma , custom will help him in this  , we have developed a religion whose  philosophy , paths ,practices  are far far ahead of anything in this world   , but we  did not developed our  society ,

Swami Vivekanad has  clarified this difference   other  races developed their society , their  religion  became fixed  pivot for this , and religion did not progress,we did just the opposite , present condition of  hindues  is not because of their  religion  , but because we  did not applied  theory into practice.

Now this is time  for  us to    enrich our society , 

 

 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 24 2010 06:37:05 +0000
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Dear Sulagna in my opinion the debate doesn't hold any good since Hindus have never been united in anything and here too they are not.... i believe we as Hindus need to draw strength by trusting each other to achieve common goals.

I hope you would agree that Swamijis remarks in World Parliament of Religions has nothing to do with this present debate as it talks of unity amongst religions and we are talking of uniting a religion itself filled with jealousy dishonesty distrust disloyalty .... for fellow humans. Also like to add Swamiji can by no means be compared or challenged by people like Mr.Narayana until they know what Swamiji stood for and have faith to follow his preaching by submitting to his ways and means of achieving them....

If Hindus or that matter Hinduism has to sustain it will only be possible if every Hindu continues to follow and practice its religion out of believe that values and lessons learnt and practiced in Hinduism is supreme to attain mental physical and spiritual freedom. Hinduism teaches to help alleviate a fellow human in trouble and poverty as it is the best way to seek God’s blessing... Islam and Christianity reaches out to all who are poor and needy by helping them alleviate from poverty and provide them respect to live in harmony and peace in society. If every Hindu can in the similar fashion help and alleviate one poor Hindu family i think we would stop conversion..... so if we can do that we should discuss this issue further or live life as we were living till now....

 

 


By Subhasis Bhattacharya, Sr. Manager Operations, Narayana Hrudayalaya  | 03 24 2010 05:50:36 +0000
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If from your calculation In just 100 years this region of eternal religion  , will be dominated  by  muslims  ,  you can not imagine what will happen then to minority  hindues  , this does not bothers you  , you are true secular person  , there is no point in continuing this debate  


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 24 2010 04:58:26 +0000
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What Swami Vivekanand  Said  was certainly  correct,  there is no point in debating about  firishta's 600 million, and  it has nothing to do with this topic  ,

Lot of data  is available  here now which shows how fast their  number  is increasing ,

You people are   chewing same thing again and again  like Cow , No essence  left   now .


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 24 2010 04:07:36 +0000
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Mr. narayan  don't deviate from the issue  ,

we are sure  about   population of  1899, there were  200 million  hindues  in and  50 million muslims  in  indian sub- continent , including regions of pakistan  and bangladesh , they were part of india .   

now there are   827 million hindues and   more than 400 million  muslims  in indian sub continent   ,this  shows  growth rate of them  , and no doubt  that  from the  time  when islam  came to india   to  1899 , they converted  millions of hindues by  sword . There were  no native  muslim in india .

No doubt  we need to   check growth of them. Or  as you  have already  said ignorance  is bliss , so you   keep your  eyes close  to   this fact , enjoy  bliss of secularism .

 

 

 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 23 2010 16:03:57 +0000
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Dear Mr. Amit Pandey,

I did and I just used my God-given common sense.

During those days – if of the total Hindus amounting 60 Crores were reduced to 20 Crores, meaning that 40 Crores were converted into Islam, how come Muslims are still a minority in India?

I firmly belive that your Mr. Ferishta, the (socalled) oldest Mohammedan historian does have little statisctical knowledge as I refuse to believe that whatever was quoted as that of Swamy Vivekananda (whom I respect, highly) to be highly inaccurate.  I reitrate that the personality of Swamy Vivekananda Stature would take statistics from some not so well known historian, as Mr. Ferishta.

According to the Indain censes of 2001 (the latest availabel with us, as of now), of the total enumearted Indians numbering 1,028,610,328, Hindus comprise 827,578,868 and Muslims comprise 138,188,240, while all others comprise 62,843,220.

Which means of all Indians, as of 1991, Hindus are 80.45%, while Muslims are 13.43 and the rest are 6.11%. 

Now I want to know who are these ill-informed gentlemen trying to sell the lie that Hindus are becoming Minorities in India and that Hindus are getting converted into Islam in droves, after studying and appreciating Islam or forcefully.

 


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 23 2010 13:57:42 +0000
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I don't  think  we should debate  about numerical accuracy of any historian  700 years  ago  , neglecting  the issue ,  and if you want to compare   see  that 200 million  hindues  in 1899 , and  50 million muslims  was in total indian sub- continent , including regions of pakistan  and bangladesh , add them  and what is percentage now? 


By Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics  | 03 23 2010 11:53:37 +0000
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When the Hindus didn't become minority in the 1000 odd years of "foreign" rule, how can they become minority now. Its basic common sense. Unfortunately, we in india don't apply common sense regularly.
By jamal , Freelancer, IT Services  | 03 31 2012 14:15:45 +0000
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no
By Ajay Blacksmit, administration, india  | 03 30 2012 04:22:00 +0000
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In my understanding, all people are equal... Minorities and majorities in people have been developed by people like us only... As educated at least, we should not get into such discussions that too in this kind of professional network site.....
By Murali Krishna Yenepalli, Manager Recruitments @ A Search Firm  | 03 19 2012 07:20:10 +0000
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my dear sister islam dosent spread on the name of marriages and children it is accepted by the people who recognises there existnce and the existance of god allah almighty...


By Moatasim ul haq, M.Pharma student, jips  | 03 19 2012 03:32:36 +0000
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my dear brother why dont youhink logically how and why the 1% changed to 97% it is the religion where a person finds peace and purity... we have the word og god with us


By Moatasim ul haq, M.Pharma student, jips  | 03 19 2012 03:29:39 +0000
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what is this debate about...? talking about hinduism or saying bad about islam..? why dont you people think logicalaly inspite of blaming others..? we all are the children of one pair and creatures of allah almighty and no other god or goddesses...? we also invite toeards understanding islam whole heartedly... as it is our duty to protect the people of this world from being to hell... someone said here that hinduism is the oldest religion and islam is the youngest ne.. first of all i want to make it clear that islam was the first religion of this planet given to adam the first preson on the earth and heavens.. we are all children of him..
By Moatasim ul haq, M.Pharma student, jips  | 03 19 2012 03:25:24 +0000
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Infact i would not specify ne community which is getting powered or getting minor ,,, it is the public,, we all who r getting minor,,, as these lubber politician ,, are sucking our blood ,and without any qualification and struggle they are owning bunglows cars,, travelling abroad ,, and all the ammenities ,,,whereas they r keeping u me engaged in fighting tat who is in power and who is minor.....

v are so much comunised day by day,, for eg. there is already hindu, muslim christian, sikh,, then it comes minority,, individual minority people have got hindu muslim sikh isai,,

then we fight for regional languages,,, then etc etc ,,, so if v sit for two min and think over the present scenario,, v'll cum to knw tat our society is now so much grouped and categorized, tat some time a person is confused whether he is fighting for his mumbai against north people and after some time he joins the rally against all his regional people as he is follower of a minority group,,,

 

i thnk our society is nw in a saturated state,, nw ne more salt in this will cause destruction in the solution


By Santosh A. Jadhav, Executive sales, Ion Exchange India Ltd.  | 05 04 2010 04:54:25 +0000
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poorer are becoming a majotity in INDIA
By Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu  | 05 04 2010 04:32:22 +0000
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In India Hindus are the identity of its glorious culture and can never be minority. India means hindus and hindus mean India,the oldest religion on the planet earth.
By Dinesh , MBA/PGDM student, PROTON bschool, ahmd.Gujarat  | 04 16 2010 04:12:06 +0000
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No! hindus can never be minorities on their own land at least. Hinduism is the oldest religion and way of living on the planet. they were the first one to relinquish the tribal way of living and developing themselves as the most sophisticated culture. Look at the vedas you can realize that even today they have significant value. Even after 5000 years. 

All we have to do is just do believe in our own selves. Our history is not confined to gandhi, moghuls or guptas. we date a lot back for even more than 5000 years back when vedas were written. When purity of heart, compassion, brave but kind heartedness were our prime virtues. Hindus never attacked someone for greed.

But it's time to be a bit strident now. We need a civil unicode. not so much of law personal boards(like hindu, muslim, sikh etc.).


By abhishek tripathi, Freelancer, india inc  | 04 14 2010 06:27:50 +0000
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Dear Amit,

I agree with you, on why Buddism got eliminated, but the discussion is why Hinduism got marginalised in the past or how it is getting marginalised now.

If at all if we have to blame anybody, for the exodus of the so-called lower strata of Hindu Religion (as is being projected by some people, here), lets first set our own home in order, rather than blaming others for our own lapses & inherent infirmities.

It is not just the so-called upper castes looking down upon the so-called lower castes, but even O.B.C.s look down upon the S.C.s and who in turn look down upon the S.T.s as inferiors and so far and so forth.

I believe what Lord Krishna said in "Bhagavatgita", 'Chatur Varnyam Maya Shristam Guna Karma Vibhagshah', meaning all four castes are created by me only, but they are based on the Character & Deeds of Individuals, rather than by their birth.

The above looking down upon business, someone based on birth or even looking up upon someone based on the same birth, is against the wisdo, of Lord Krishna, whom we all Hindus hold in high esteem.

As for your contention that all religions are matter of faith, I agree but I should like to take the inner meaning of what is said and try to follow it in letter & spirit, rather than trying to blame others for my own lacunae & personal weanesses.

 

 


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 31 2010 10:54:04 +0000
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Mr. Shenoy,

Who are you to tell me what religion I should practice?

My question is why all those who are converting from Hinduism (if at all) into other religions could not be prevented by Hindus?

That is because the Safron Brigade calling themselves the protectors of Hinduism, in fact, rampantly practice discrimination in the name of caste, colour, and a host of illogical, irrational & unholy practices and still expect them not to go out of your slavery.  If they are going out of Hinduism, who are responsible for this?  It is the thoughtless Sanathana Dharma practiioners who are solely responsible, for the exodus (if at all it is true).

Your  so called Italian connection only started a few decades ago, but Hindus got converted into Christianity over many Hundreds of years ago.

Buddism took birth as a protest of this kind of inequity and soon, at one point of history, spread across Asia and almost eliminated Hinduism.  If Hinduism again recovered its stand in India that was definitely not on account of Hindu practitioners of Superstition and unfair practices.

Now, tell me, here, who needs to be better informed of and go into depth of the subject?


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 31 2010 09:20:54 +0000
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Are they not wealthy Hindus who would fund Hindu Religious Activities?  There are millions of Hindu devotees who donate to their Gods whenever they visit temples and to many other Hindu religious bodies.

If getting relief from poverty is not the motivation, why poor Hindus are inclined to convert (if at all, as you people want us to believe) to other religions and why the poor from other religions are not converting into Hinduism?


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 31 2010 04:52:57 +0000
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If Hindu Religion allows neglecting the poor, heartlessly, and if some other religions rescue them from poverty, I don't see why the help from them should be stopped.

And, as to what we (Hindus) should do is to bring in some humanity into our own religion that neglects it’s poor, shamelessly, and keeps them under constant suppression and start creating equal opportunities to eliminate an occasion for other religions to encroach upon our territory, because we are sleeping and not tending to our poor and the under-privileged in our Religion.

It also beats any logic why & how the Religious bodies of Christianity & Islam are funding Hindu poor to overcome their poverty, while there are Crores of poor & less-fortunate in their own religions.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 31 2010 03:59:40 +0000
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Most often we hear such a question being asked.

My question is : If there remains a chance that Hindus become minority (in India) what should be done (by the Hindus) ?


By ASOKE KUSARI, Domestic Private Banking-Executive/Manager, A large leading PSU Bank - India  | 03 30 2010 15:45:10 +0000
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Mr. Salaria. All I have done hereunder is a pure cut & paste exercise. What you read below is a post by Makrand Bhave on another topic but can be relevantly used herein as well.

I have a very clear cut agenda when I am on social networking sites. It is YOU as a brand that you are projecting and that needs proper representation. You are dedfinitely not sure who you are going to meet on these sites at all. It could be long lost friends, relatives, someone who you had beaten up in your school days or even someone who had whipped you in your school days!!

As long as you stick to your relatives and long lost friends its fine. Whne it comes to the other types of people they are going to be very colourful about YOU. Thats quantity!!


By Navjeet Sood, Business Head, ADI Media Pvt Ltd  | 03 30 2010 15:16:07 +0000
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I totally support the views of Mr. Narayan and Mr. Sachin on this.

Mr. Salaria,

Your outbursts betray your frustation, kindly refrain from using any further abusive language.

Mr. Syed,

Practice of Inequality of Women, Infanticides, Dowry Deaths and Caste based discrimination - all or some of them - are common for Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddists and most others in India.  They are not unique to one religion but are common to all religions in India.

Hence, as Indians we need to try to uproot them but trying to show only one religion has these practices do provoke people like Salaria to lose tempers.

Lets all please try to bring in perspective to the debate rather than trying to prove a point at any cost.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 26 2010 05:22:25 +0000
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Hey All,
Are we all on this platform to read commenhts as:
there are rascals like you syed thameem in sheeps clothing. say something do something. why dont you directly chat with me , i will show the truth an d pigs like you a lesson.
By Kanwar NPS Salaria, CEO/MD/Director, TrueOsis Services
Had posted two comments ealier, am not a serious follower but have been reading the alerts. I did say in my second post that this debate is taking a different shape, that of HINDU-MUSLIM. I remember Makrand initiating a debate on the values, capabilities and usage of TooStep and also if it's been moderated enough (may be not in those many words but meaning almost same). Can I request all concerned to take appropriate step to put an end to such debate. If TooStep is reading and listening, NO, the debates is not been moderated enough and necessary care is not being taken. Please join me in supporting the very cause of closing this debate as it is getting more unpleasent each passing day.


By Navjeet Sood, Business Head, ADI Media Pvt Ltd  | 03 26 2010 05:13:13 +0000
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Dear Mr. Salaria ,

A debate is supposed to expose / exploit the weakness in the other person's argument , not in the other person.

Your language is exposing your inner self. I can only suggest you moderate your language ; otherwise your arguments become irrelevant to the debate.

Do you seriously think that any one is going to waste his / her time trying to engage in a debate with you ?


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 26 2010 04:29:20 +0000
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I was amazed by postings done by both sides. How we are timid?  India is a secular country, we minorities we respect it and still we love as our home country. We have wasted our valuable time by aruguing this stupid argument.

If hindu religion is 5000 years older means, today the whole world should have filled with Hindus? Youngest religion is Islam it has grown by leaps and bounds. If we assue in India there's no Islam, all are converts, are they ready to come back to Hinduism? No.

I am not offending any body, there's no eqaulity for women, female infants are killed, dowry system, caste discrimination, i can put ford the list. For us, we see as only Islam. That's the basic difference.

Let us focus on some thing developing our country where common ppl are dying without water, food, shelter.

Instead of criticizing, let us think scinetifically.

 

 


By Syed Thameem, Telecom Consultant - Senior, Consultant  | 03 25 2010 14:02:51 +0000
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Freethinking has always been the backbone of human progress - whether in East or West.

Or else we - as a humanity - still would have been groping in the dark, practicing superstitions over truth-seeking.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 25 2010 04:16:26 +0000
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Dear Mr. Narayan ,

You are very persuasive , and it would be nice if we could debate this point viz. does religion make a man or does Man make religion ?

If we accept that religion is a creation of man , then it would follow that Hinduism sprang out of free-thinking and independent individuals rather than the other way round.

Secondly , it is a fact that the West has also produced a great number of free-thinking and independent individuals , who were still staunchly religious ; after all , even Einstein , though he was an atheist , believed in God as a superpower ; hence his statement "God does not play dice".

Taking an established nihilist Nietzche as an authority on religion is like asking a serial killler about morality.

One should never think of a religion as establishing boundaries ; after all when you are going down a road , you are following a path which makes life easy , you do not think of a road as a restriction !

Religion prescribes guidelines for living life well , following those guidelines makes for a happier , easier life. Rituals do not make a religion. It is rituals which enslave us , not the religion itself.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 25 2010 02:51:16 +0000
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Hindus unitedly will remain a majority. But the reality today is Hindus are divided deeply on caste lines due to political parties. And these castes have no presence all over India and they are concentrated in very small pockets of India and like old princely states these groups linked to chota parties will be the dangers India will face in the coming years.


By Prasad PN, Zonal Sales Manager  | 03 24 2010 16:40:01 +0000
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Dear Kanwar ,

Thanks for steering the debate in a new direction !

Actually , pigs are very clean animals. If you don't believe this , check it out on the Internet.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 24 2010 16:38:21 +0000
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Yes, Mr. Narayan,

In fact Swamy Vivekananda started his pursuit of truth with questioning Swamy Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.

 


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 24 2010 06:09:43 +0000
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Dear Mr. Bhattacharya ,

I appreciate and admire your views on Hinduism.

I would only request you to pause for a while and ask yourself one question : What is it that binds all human beings ?

Is it our caste , language , nationality , religion , colour ,.... ?

Or is it our values and principles ?

If it is the latter , then you would not request all Hindus to come together ; our first and foremost loyalty should be to TRUTH.

Please do not pass judgements on anyone you do not know about. Do not , I request you , say that I have no right to challenge Swami Vivekananda.

Every thinking human being has the right , nay the responsibility , to question facts and arrive at the truth. If you do not do this , you are not being true to the same Swami Vivekananda about whom you are speaking.

I have given some facts about Hindu and Muslim population growth , which is pertinent to this debate. Do you have anything to say about this ? Instead you have introduced a new dimension , about Hindu unity / disunity , which was never the point of this debate , as far as I know.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 24 2010 06:07:55 +0000
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So, do I, Mr. Pandey,

At the time of Partition (1947), the total population of India was 350 Millions, including all religions.  Assuming that Pakistan & Bangladesh together had a combined population of another 250 Million this could give us a grand population of Undivided India as 600 Million.

Then, where is the question of 600 Million population duirng the life time of Muhammad Qasim Hindu Shah Firista, Gulsan-i-Ibrahimi, commonly known as Tarikh-i-Firishta, who lived during 1865?

Unless someone can come out with a plausible theory that the population has been stagnant between 1865 and 1947, for nearly 80+ years!.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 24 2010 05:43:45 +0000
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Dear Mr. Pandey ,

I see that you are still reluctant to work it out for yourself.

The "minority" that you conjecturing is not by way of thousands or millions of Hindus ; at that point of time , the Hindu population in India may be over 3 billion !

But you are right Mr. Pandey , I am not interested in this debate.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 24 2010 05:10:54 +0000
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Dear Mr. Pandey ,

I am sorry you feel like this about the debate.

You were the one who posted the fact of 600 million Hindus ; unfortunately you did it without chewing the cud , as you call it. Chewing the cud is another name for analysis , which alone can lead to understanding. Just posting facts without analysing their source or their truth is the bane of this debate. When the falsity of the fact is pointed out , you retreat and bring in another fact. This has been going on and on !

I will again repeat what I posted in my first submission to this debate. Please go through this and refute it , if you can.

The population of Hindus in India is 850 million , as an approximation. The population of Muslims in India is 150 million as an approximation.

The growth rate of the Hindu population in India , over the last 50 years , has been above 20 % , but let us take it as 20 %.

The growth rate of the Muslim population in India , over the last 50 years , has been below 40 % , but let us take it as 40 %.

Start from these figures , assuming you do not dispute them , and work out for yourself , when the Hindu population in India will become less than the Muslim population in India. My calculation is around 100 years.

100 years from now , none of us debating this issue so furiously will be alive !

Please see whether it is still worthwhile to continue this debate.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 24 2010 04:34:43 +0000
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To everyone who has participated in this debate :

I found this link this morning , and was amazed by the concept. Probably we can all try it out in our country !

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/05/zero-rupee-note-that.html

This has nothing to do with this debate , but , frankly speaking I am tired since the debate seems to be meandering and not many facts are surfacing. Only verbiage. So this may make for a refreshing change.

Secondly this debate has attracted a lot of toostepites , so this is a good way of reaching out to everyone.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 24 2010 02:51:27 +0000
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Dear Mr. Pandey ,

There is no deviation from any issue in what I posted.

You quoted Swami Vivekananda as saying that there were 600 million Hindus when the Mughals came to India.

I am giving you figures to say that Vivekananda was wrong. Do you understand ?

If the data given in the document whose link I have given is correct , then the population of India in 1601 , was just 145 million. Hence Swami Vivekananda's figure of 600 million Hindus cannot be correct.

Let me know if I have deviated from any issue.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 23 2010 16:31:18 +0000
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Dear Mr. Pandey ,

If you are interested in researching the population of India during the Mughal empire , please go through the following link :

http://www.egyankosh.ac.in/bitstream/123456789/26777/1/Unit-26.pdf

According to this document , the population of India ( not Hindus alone ) , was as follows :

1601            -   145 million

1871            -   225 million

If you still believe in the figure of 600 million Hindus in the pre-Mughal era , all I can say is "Happy Thinking".

Sometimes ignorance IS bliss.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 23 2010 14:56:11 +0000
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To have a final word on the core issue of this debate, we have to wait till 2011 Census are out.

Still 80% of Hindus in year 2001 becoming a minority within 20 years is something very difficult to believe even by the Minorities, all included having less than 20% strenght in the same year.

This is also one reason why I do not wish to be lead by ‘Saffronistas’ – they are either too unbelivieably convinced of their ground or too sure of their beliefs that they go all out creating a typhoon out of a tea cup.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 23 2010 14:11:34 +0000
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Mr. Korde,

Till you came along there was no mudslingling and whatever has been happening between me and Mr. Pandey, me and Mr. Nair and Mr. Narayan & Mr. Nair, Mr. Narayan & Mr. Pandey and everyone Vs. everyone else has been without malice.

You still haven't proved anything, despite long-winding speach, especially that Hindus are becoming minorities in India.

while we welcome you into the debate, it better be without mudslinging.

 


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 23 2010 11:32:31 +0000
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Dear Mr. Pandey ,

You are right that Swami Vivekananda was talking about the various sects within Hinduism.

My point in quoting the remark was that Swami Vivekananda was for free will. You cannot have free will only up to a certain point. It is either free will or not. Having a small quantum of free will is akin to Henry Ford's classic statement that customers could have a car of any colour as long as it was black !

Freedom of expression is to be accepted as long as it does not infringe upon another's rights. Please note that the critical word here is "rights" , not taste or principles.

I , as a Hindu , will not do cow slaughter , but that does not mean that I can prevent others , whether Hindus or not , from indulging in cow slaughter. Yes , it is offensive to my taste , but certainly not offensive to my rights , unless the cow happens to be mine !

Religion is a purely personal matter ; I can state with absolute certainty and confidence that I will never convert from Hinduism to any other religion , but that does not mean that I am saddened or threatened by others who may choose to convert , whether because they are enticed by offers of money or other gifts , or out of their conviction.

If the conversion is by use of force , the law is there as a recourse. The remedy for forced conversion , from Hinduism to any other religion , is not vandalising churches / mosques or killing bishops / imams.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 23 2010 09:30:41 +0000
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Dear Mr. Pandey ,

Thank you for the link.

Having gone through it , I can only repeat that it substantiates what I have posted earlier. Vivekananda says "Can you ask that?" he said. "They will choose for themselves. For unless a man chooses for himself, the very spirit of Hinduism is destroyed. The essence of our Faith consists simply in this freedom of the Ishta."

The essence of Hinduism is the freedom of one's will. This is what gives the religion its spirit of tolerance.

I have never debated whether Muslims or Christians or people of other religions should be converted to Hinduism. Over the centuries , many people from all over the world , of different religions , have converted to Hinduism , on their own , without any enticements or use of force. That is the beauty of Hinduism.

And that is why I am against Hindu extremist groups. By their violent words and actions , they are going against the spirit of Hinduism.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 23 2010 08:36:13 +0000
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Dear Mr. Pandey ,

My opinion , for what it is worth , is that I will not bad mouth anyone or anything when I do not have full information or knowledge of that person , group or object. Even a person like Hitler should be shunned for his ideas of eliminating Jews , but there is no denying the good he did to raise the German psyche after World War I.

Secondly , I am not going to confuse Christianity as a religion defined by Christ and his life , with Christianity as practised by people like you and me.

I would suggest you read about one of the great Indian saints Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa , and understand what he had to say about religions , Hinduism and others.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 23 2010 07:21:09 +0000
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Like protestant sect of Christianity was born in protest against the excesses of Roman Catholism, Budhism & Jainism were born in protest against the excesses of the 'Brahmana Religion'.

While I appose Conversions by Crusades of Christians & Muslims, I also am amused to hear that these religions are inferior to Hinduism, from the mouths of those who vociferously preach the re-conversions, by forces of all former Hindus back into Hinduism.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 23 2010 06:32:46 +0000
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Dear Mr. Pandey ,

You seem to be an authority on all the religions.

Can you please tell me where in the Bible it says that a Christian should try and convert a person of another religion , to Christianity , by using the sword ?


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 23 2010 06:26:06 +0000
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Yes, it is degenerating,

Religious bigotry on both the sides has entered into this otherwise healthy debate.

 

 


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 23 2010 05:58:00 +0000
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Dear Ms. Mukherji ,

I think you are confusing two issues here. Please do not decry Islam with irrelevant statements like "Islam was conjured up by one man (Whose credibility is dubious)". Islam is , whether you accept it or not , whether you like it or not , one of the great religions of the world.

Secondly , do not decry any religion on the basis of its age ; Buddhism is comparatively new when placed along side Hinduism ; does it mean Buddhism is a lesser religion ?

I think this debate is degenerating !


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 23 2010 05:48:01 +0000
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For as long as India is a Democracy, India belongs to all Indians, irrespective of their religious beliefs.  If one studies Indian History carefully, India has always been tolerant to the practice of all forms of religions.

It was India that sheltered Pharsis, when they were persecuted in Persia, Jews, when they where persecuted in Middle East & Elsewhere, Buddist-followers of Dalai Lama, when they were persecuted in Chinese occupied Tibet - on account of their religious faiths, only to quote a few instances.

Neo Saffronists (Sangh Parivar), who are a minority themselves in the Majority Hindu (Maha Parivar), cannot re-write the history or change the present & future course of India, which always belonged to Indians.

On issue on which I agree with them is that India being a Secular State should not patronize any one religion for it being a minority and fund their religious pilgrimages, etc. be it to Mekkah, Rome or Jerusalem.

The vote-bank politicians are giving a bad name to a true secularity of our Indian State.  All public funds should go into the development, health & education of the people of India and not for erecting statues of gods or humans like, Mayavati.

This kind of practices do not happen in the older Secular states like, France, U.K., USA, et al.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 23 2010 04:27:33 +0000
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Dear Mr. Aras,

Firstly, let me congratulate you on your elevation.  Speakers do speak less and allow a decent debate and deliberations to aid, legislative process.

My original argument that the article, in reference, has been based on amplified exaggerations and not based on verifiable facts still holds.

When Mr. Syed's right to express his desire for peace was denied, simply because he carries a Muslim name, I had to defend his right to freedom of expression (for as long as it is within limits, unlike that of MFH's)

As Ahmed's contention that many Hindus are converting into Islam after thorough study of Islam too being based on un-verifiable facts, I had to oppose him - it doesn't matter which side I am, I wish to be fair.

Finally, I am a Hindu who practices Hindu way-of-life but do not subscribe to the radical Hinduism like saffronism of Akhand Hindustan and that this land belongs to only Hindus, et al.

I also do not believe that we should reconvert all former Hindus, forcefully, back to Hinduism.  If any such initiative takes place, it should be through the force of faith, rather than force of any other kind.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 23 2010 04:08:59 +0000
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I think many hindus are studying teachings of islam,, praising it  and converting to Muslims....


By Mohammad Mubasheer Ahmed, B.Tech/B.E. student, Muffakham Jah Engineering College, Hyderabad  | 03 16 2010 17:52:13 +0000
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Mr. Nair,

It was not just the Court but the BJP Govt. there has confirmed that there was no evidence to 'Love-Zihad'.  On this non-existant thing, however, a 'Hate-Dharmayudha (So-called) ' is being perpetrated by some, for reasons not fathomable to many of us.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 16 2010 14:17:38 +0000
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Dear Mr. Shenoy ,

I am unable to react to your post because I am unable to understand most of it. Sorry.

However , I could understand your last question. So to react to it , I can say that the India of the future , 50 years from now , will be much better than the India of today.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 16 2010 10:26:10 +0000
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Nair,

Isn't it amplified exaggeration while we harp on the so called 'love-zihad', which existance, the governmental agencies, concerned, have already denied?


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 16 2010 08:02:17 +0000
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Dear Ms. Mukherji ,

I do not know to whom you are referring when you say "One article by a non-entity".

I believe it is the characteristic of open-mindedness and maturity , that one looks at the message rather than who is saying it. It is also a characteristic of maturity and wisdom that one is able to analyse anyone objectively , without being swayed by the reputation of the person concerned. A critic can be more knowledgeable , intelligent and mature than an author ! To say that Tavleen Singh is a Sikh and married to a Muslim , does not necessarily mean that every word of hers is the gospel truth.

I , speaking for myself , found Shauvik Ghosh's article interesting and illuminating.

I found Tavleen Singh's article more form than substance ! She spends two paragraphs on a topic , just to sow the right seeds in our mind , and then wriggles out of the mess she has created for herself , by writing "This is not about Communalism Combat or the fight between Zaheera and Teesta."



By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 03 16 2010 05:43:59 +0000
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Yes, 

A healthy debate is possible only when we tolerate view-points of others, even if they are entirely contrary to our own beliefs.  

While I strongly oppose the views of anyone who believes that my religion is becoming minority in my own Motherland, I strongly defend the right of these opponants to hold such views (read Voltaire).

Regret I too was forced to deviate from the main topic.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 03 15 2010 11:14:32 +0000
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SYED , NITIN & RAO SAHIBS :: DON'T FIGHT ::UNDERSTAND & NOT JUDGE\( AS GILBERT PREUR SAYS )

TIME OUT :: HAVE SOOTTAA AND CHAI ...REFLECT ON THE PROCEEDINGS TODAY AND GEAR UP FOR KURUKSHETRA TOMORROW...

SWEET DREAMS ...


By Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu  | 03 15 2010 11:05:04 +0000
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