Thanks Mr. Nitin who is one way or the other supporting my claim He is also in agreement that I will not work if I didn't get enough luxury, facilities (future worry) as per their need by the govt organization. In my support i like to quote Mr. Nitin statement as "Now come to BARC and ISRO .... what facilities and recognition Govt is providing .... its a shameful to even think" SIR THE FACILITIES ARE ENOUGH TO LIVE A RESPECTABLE LIFE FOR SELF AND FAMILY
Sir, you should appreciate that this is the only country in the world who has recognised a scientist and made him the First person of Great India (President Kalam). Do you think govt have done mistake in doing so.Can you name any other country in world who has done it?
Sir, You have compared for padma shree awards. I wish to say that they are also the masters in their field and must be awarded for their contribution to the nation in their field. For argument shake i just like to give an example: BCCI declared 4 categories of players and compensation is paid according to their grades. Many a times player don't able to make in top 11. Do they move to other country to compensate? (if they move to bangladesh and take nationality there they could easily be selected in their cricket team) No sir, its their love for the country and they try try try to get a cap for India and play for mother India.
Sir, You said children are clay mould and shaped in what fashion we mould. I am in 100 % agreement with you sir. Do you think its Govt responsibility to educate manners to them, fill patriotism in them through education, changing their attitude or making them responsible towards family, society and nation? Its very easy to blame others for their mistake but very hard to accept the mistake we do. If u can make your child responsible , I will make my child responsible, govt is nowhere in pic who damage these culture.
Sir, I am not putting this ideas to prove something or somebody wrong, but i surely want that we support the right thing. I SALUTE ALL THE SCIENTIST WHO HAS LEFT THE LUCRATIVE OFFER FROM ABROAD AND WORKING FOR BARC AND ISRO. AT THE SAME TIME I ALSO SALUTE ALL THE SPORTS PERSON, ACTORS ANS LEADERS WHO HAVE BROUGHT PRIDE FOR INDIA. I ALSO SALUTE THOSE WHO ARE NOT KNOWN TO THE WORLD BUT THEIR CONTRIBUTION HAS LED A MISSION TO A SUCCESSFUL ONE LIKE CHANDRAYAN. THANKS AND JAI HIND
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Santosh Sinha, Freelance Journalist, Free Lancer
| 02 24 2010 17:58:55 +0000
Hi Nitin, I think you have either not red my argument or misunderstood it. I am not asking to close IIT/IIMs (My cousin is doing his BTECH from IIT Roorkee). I have lot of respect for these institutions. I agree that they are the pride of India. All that I am suggesting why not ask them to work/do research in india for few years. When you say they are filling Govt. pocket with Dollars. Are they donating it to Govt? We cannot compare IIT/IIMs with 100% EOU (Export oriented units). Even if we do, they (IIT/IIM) will not match an EOU, coz EOUs apart from earning dollars, also generate lot of employment (helps in upliftment of lot of families directly and indirectly the society as a whole). Each IIT spends upto 100 crore a year. Students are paying less than 50000 p.a as fees. Nowadays IIT/IIM coaching costs more than the fees paid for studying there.
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Ravi , IT PMO, Cricket Communications
| 02 23 2010 17:29:54 +0000
In my opinion the government should not spend the tax payer's money on these institutions that produce students a majority of which go out of the country and make their careers out of the country.
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Sudeep Tarafdar, Senior Consultant, IBM
| 02 23 2010 08:18:43 +0000
Indian Govt, since decades, has been spending hundreds of thousands of rupees on IIT and IIM graduates. They in turn helped develop mainly themselves (kith and kin) by going abroad and working there and in some exceptional cases few hundred people. The motive of creating such institutions was not to send them abroad and get Forex to India, the motive is to make a difference in our society. Should Govt. impose a 5 year compulsory service contract for them to serve in India like Doctors (doctors have to work for 1 or 2 years in rural areas to get their graduation)? I know many of you will yell at me saying that India does not have enough money to fund research, lacks proper policies, bureaucracy etc etc., but as Gunderson said "A desire can overcome all objections and obstacles."
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Ravi , IT PMO, Cricket Communications
| 02 19 2010 18:28:49 +0000
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First of all understand the magnitude of tax paid by the tax payers of the country and compare it with the money spent on these 15-20 IITs and IIMs..Its just a fraction..and you know it would also be a fraction of the money which goes into the pockets of corrupted politicians and bureaucrats..So donot worry about the loss of taxpayers' money..its already lost once we've paid..
Secondly, dont you think that those who go abroad do some good to the country? yes..they actually form the connecting links between various international organisations and the government..We ignore this point just because it is not so obvious.. Thirdly, if any student of these reputed institute joins the government thru the Civil services, he would bring a skill set which would actually benefit the government to execute the policies with higher efficiency...
So..In no way the tax payer's money is wasted..Actually, it is utilised to a good extent..These institutes are building pure philosophy within the students and that is the reason why they are still reputed and highly respected..
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kalyan Dheeraj, B.Tech/B.E. student, National Institute Of Technology (NIT), Warangal
| 01 26 2011 09:38:34 +0000
In fact, I believe that they should impose a rule banning such students from working for more than 5 yers abroad. at least these professionals will get enough proficiency in understanding the processes there and maybe try and implement them here in India. i am not getting into the red tapism and bureaucratic behaviour here, but that kind of imposition would mean that thet compulsorily work abroad and then disperse the same knowledge here and make our systems and work related process and materials handling better. thats my opinion. Thanks for the referral!
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Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International
| 02 26 2010 10:55:36 +0000
I would say no. First of all, going abroad is past. Secondly, IIT and IIM are not producing brains, they are only providing training to the best brains. If our govt. or to say us, will not provide training to them, they will take training from abroad or else our best brains will not be utilized for better things in life. So stop thinking about tax payers money. Now, to your point about the country. IIT and IIMs are training centers but they are way behind the real action. Real action is on the field. Is our Govt. taking care of the field? Are they providing a good environment for people to innovate and operate on field. This is were we need to put our emphasis.
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Tanmay Gaur, Freelance Software Developer
| 02 25 2010 08:57:57 +0000
Santosh... I always mention social and nation reforms starts from family... what we are cultivating in our generation ... Govt is no where in the picture..... Sorry but you did not understand the theme in this statment... I also mentioned that my Guru and Father did not want me to move in the wrong direction ... it means there is a part of our family who teaches us the ethical value and culture which we carry with us for through out the life and PATRIOTISM is one of them.... Sports persons and film actors never be denied by me for their contribution ... it was the matter of recognition to science and technical talents from Govt.. We educate our kids for their lucrative life style and force them to go to other part of the world ... Education is not only to acquire the knowledge, it is as well as to teach the ethics, culture and inculcating the respect towards nation....
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Nitin M Aras, XYZ
| 02 25 2010 04:54:55 +0000
I appreciated Santosh argument... He has not read my statement carefully... I am not agree to drain our indian brain to outside... logic is that what culture and attitude we are teaching them.... there is no patriotic approach during study .... students are the clay mould... and we can mould them as per our requirement by cultivating attitude and their mental sightness for thier responsibilities towards nation and society growth.... that is why I highlighted that nation and social reforms starts from family reasoning... To whom you are advocating ... I don't wish to know ... But I wish you should not go in the wrong direction ... its not my word ... my father and my GURUs always told me that it is their responsibilities... Now come to BARC and ISRO .... what facilities and recognition Govt is providing .... its a shamful to even think ..... while awarding PADMA SHREE award ... film actors had given more weightage rather then scientist and hard core social workers... ISRO scientist involved in CHANDRAYAN MISSION ...which is one of the biggest discovery of the world ... in this century .... I can say ... its not enough to eye opening .... We need to learn more about JAI HIND ... rather than writing it simply Thanks for thumb down ...which always give me a chance to write a right thing Please read my post ...link is given below http://toostep.com/question/morals-of-government-check-and-comments My another post on quality of engineers .... is this not the responsibility of Govt and family ? http://toostep.com/question/who-is-responsible---govt-system-culture-life-style You will find there is bubble in youth.. wants to change the system ... revolutionary changes are required my dear friend Read these post and make comments ... will be definitely appreciated ... don't feel it is a counter attack ... any comments either bad or good ... help me to create something ... so please give your valuable comments
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Nitin M Aras, XYZ
| 02 24 2010 05:43:24 +0000
Better you provide statistics...how and when Govt spend money on IITs and IIMs...is this not a responsibility of Govt to provide best education infrastructure to public who are paying lot of taxes to Govt...why it is restricted to IITs and IIMs in last 60 years... why not other reputed colleges get this support... now talking about IITians IIMs student.... are they not paying asked fee to college... even though they are abroad, they are fillinf the dolar pocket of Govt... are they not contributing to nations growth... just simple...are we able to encash their capabilities...NO... then do not ask to retain them here .... we have not developed our culture, life style and ethical values and finally did not able to develop their attitude to be here in INDIA to serve our nation.... not only the Govt... we people are also responsible to throw them outside our nation alone to get the good job and maintain their so called life style...just simple reasoning... I have in my mind... social and nation reform starts from a family reasoning
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Nitin M Aras, XYZ
| 02 23 2010 09:16:18 +0000
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