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Created by : Shivendra Nath Thakur, Telecom Engineer, BSNL  | 07 05 2010 09:29:21 +0000
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YES....THEY HAVE CALIBER TO LEAD.. Vs NO..THEY MAY NOT BE KNOWING ABOUT THE POLITICS
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"My vote is to IAS. They are 100% better opton than politician. For leading a country the leader should know the present status of the world they should have knowledge but in my point of view politicians didnt has much knowledge. For entry level jobs we are setting interviews, qualification etc but for leading a nation we are not setting such criteria.so IAS is the better sorry not better BEST option"
By Mathan selvakumar, Senior contract administator, Hewlett packard  07 07 2010 09:46:44 +0000
 
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My predicament is Yes and No...........Yes because IAS are the best breeders of politics themselves who not only create puppets of politicians by mostly keeping them ill informed of ground realities and always showing them the vote bank policy route which gives them security of their chair but also form their cartel of cadre politics  so well fortified which no politician can penetrate......My whole family lineage is of IAS..father,uncles and aunts from paternal and maternal and I have lived with and breathed their coterie across the country,so I surely know thats its not the politicians who run them its they who run the politicians     its only a faccade of vice versa........

We have built a very corruptible adminstrative system based on hierarchy,brahminnical order and an invisible mafioso which stems from the PMO office down to the Panchayat sadan office.

You;ll be surprised what The IAS breed of officers cand do and are doing....

Infact its only a few politicains like jyotir scindia,chidambaram,pranab,pawar and a few others who are able to have their way sway things which the IAS fellas follow.The rest are actually controlled and puppeteered by the IAS  cadre.

So...Today's India and yester year India has been the bane of IAS officers meticulously created by the British who till today slander the old age style of functioning with contempt...........TRUST ME I SEE IT EVERY DAY.

So,leadership,running the country by politicians is only a show window and that cushions the so called IAS Adminstrative coterie to get away with failure,in the garb of ...........its what we were asked to do.....as politicians are above law.....both protect each other......

So whos running the country???????????

Yes.....Indira Gandhi did try to run it differently but haad to pay a heavt price.

No .that they can't run the country solely because they don;t want to from the front as they get more leverage from behind..........

before you contest my opinion which is more fact than opion.pl. mull over,deliberate and try and meet a block officer,DM of a city or a senior Jt. secretary......talk to them about politics and they will start brashly telling you how they are running the show and what bloody idiots are the so called politicians are.

In a country where accountabilty is missing.....where success of individuals is looked upon with fear rathar than awe.......where execution is at its weakest...........where systems are on paper but not in reality.....where we still luv living in the past..........where we are known to be impetuos and act impromptu to any sitution.....where citizens lack a vision for their country.......where we are most obsessed with our piddly neighbour pakistan and ever willing to cajole them , rathar thanplay  the larger  global role which we can and should........where the same IAS lobby is keeping the country blind of CHINAS Incursions and breathing down our throat and we continue to live on media versions........where we are a nation of blind leading a blind.

Whether its the IAS or Politicians on The face of it ..........INDIA  ITS PEOPLE NEED A CULTURAL AND VALUE SYSTEM OVERHAUL/REVOLUTION .......A NEW REVAMPED CONSTITUTION WHICH DON;T FORGET WERE WRITTEN BY THOSE BRED BY THE BRITISH IS THEREFORE ARCHAIC.............A SYSTEM WHICH MAKES PEOPLE NATION PROUD AND ACCOUNTABLE.

Then we could have a fresh debate on who can perhaps lead the country better.

Now.........its beast replacing a Demon.........how does it matter????

sanjay singhal


By sanjaysinghal , propreitor, charmsincorporate  07 07 2010 06:33:00 +0000
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Ya...they can
By veenajoice.c , Assit.Manger (Account), sppl p.ltd  | 07 14 2011 08:47:15 +0000
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Any educated person is better than uneducated.
By Vijaya , Crownbridgegroup  | 07 12 2011 19:01:11 +0000
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Why not? For your information, Dr. Jayaprakash Narain, IAS (taken pre-mature retirement and started a party, viz., Lok Satta has been doing exceptionally well in AP. If you want to know more about him, please visit this url: http://www.loksatta.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=87&Itemid=60
By S. Muralidharan, Executive Director, Knowledge Foundation & Campus Around the Corner  | 07 12 2011 18:33:27 +0000
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yes they have the caliber to to be a politician as they know whats going on inside the politics as they are the one who work under the politicians. if they are qualified enough to work under the politicians then why not should they be given the opportunity to be one? they must get a chance to be politician!


By hardik minocha, Below 10th student, ryan international school  | 07 12 2011 15:08:50 +0000
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I think they are good in every thing then why in politics.... And i know one man who was IAS. and now he is the very good and intelligent politician. he was the first Chief Minister of our state chhattisgarh.. And as all knows for being politician there is no qualification needed.. And some times we see very illiterate politician goes in assembly...


By Nohar Singh Dhruv, Jr. Engg, Chhatisgarh State Electrical Board  | 07 09 2010 16:58:28 +0000
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Yes,we need qualified politicians.
By CA Heena Sharma, Chartered Accountant  | 07 08 2010 14:53:01 +0000
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They no each & every inside detail


By pradeep kumar, Senior Manager Paint Shop, Speedomax  | 07 08 2010 14:15:57 +0000
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"YES".Who runs the Govt-- 'Bureaucrats' or most of the illiterate 'minister'?
By R N Bhattacharyya, Freelancer, Freelancer  | 07 08 2010 07:01:37 +0000
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 yes iam one of strong supporter of ias be the better option as a politician because they contibute better than politician ಎಂ.ನಾಗರಾಜು

 


By m.nagaraju , public grievance officer.  | 07 07 2010 05:53:25 +0000
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Definatly as they are the best choosen one from the system,by the system and the only ones who can improve the system.


By Vinay saini, Area Sales Manager, CPM India Sales & marketing Pvt. ltd.  | 07 07 2010 05:35:31 +0000
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This is the only option since independance we have been ruled by these currupt leaders and the result is in front of us. They grown rich and powerful but as nation we have not grown upto potential that we have. If we look at the developed nation they have our best persons and on there efforts they have grown.

if they are given a chanceto develop this nation without hindrance of these leaders I am sure this nation will be behind none.


By Martin Joy, Executive Assistant to Vice President, Blackpearl Services Limited  | 07 07 2010 05:19:52 +0000
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running a country can never be imparted  as a course!!!! "Be the next politician.. Guaranteed Placement!!!"India education has become a synonym for skill literacy. We failed to see the difference with the educated and the literate. everyone is literate no on shows any  for the educated.

People with sense sensitivity and sensibility should be running a country, a qualification that any education system in India has failed to impart.


By videv dv, 3d artist, The Chimney Pot  | 07 06 2010 16:00:04 +0000
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YES...THEY ARE THE BEST OPTION AS A POLITICIAN...SINCE THEY ARE WELL EQUIPPED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE...
By Shivendra Nath Thakur, Telecom Engineer, BSNL  | 07 05 2010 09:29:21 +0000
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It may be and may not be. IAS IPS officers are already present in our system. Does all system is accurate in India?? Leader & politician are not same. Like all IAS, IPS officers are not same.......
By Vipin Bhasin, Private Equity/Hedge Fund/VC-Manager, Indian Investment Co.  | 07 12 2011 17:21:47 +0000
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Before we debate about the who fits the bill better, we must understand the pre-requisites of being a good politician. A good politician is first a leader, then a neta. Winning mass appeal needs a strong ideological focus and the power to convince and lead those who believe in him (or his ideologies). Such a virtue is cannot be taught at an academy or cannot be attained by passing certain exam and getting the chair of administration. In other words, an IAS may not be a good leader but a politician is. Hence IAS cannot definitely be a pre-requisite to be a politician. P.S.: Of course the need of the hour is to have greater participation from the educated people who would want to make a difference.


By indranil datta, Business Head, Mumbai, Flipkart.com  | 07 08 2010 15:34:16 +0000
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IAS represents a service manned by academically brilliant persons, who are recruited as youngsters and also get intensively trained at all levels of the administration. IAS is vital part of the governmental machinery. As they are in service in a continuous basis, they are in a position to render proper advice to the political bosses, who are elected by the people now and then, depending on their broad national policies and programs.

What an elected political leader visualizes for the welfare of the people, should be converted into reality by planned implementation, for which the IAS and its subordinate services provide expert assistance.

Politics refers to a vast area to which the public-spirited, service-minded persons opt with a view to lead the people towards peace and prosperity. They should understand all the aspects of life. They should be thorough about the potentials of natural resources and human resources in the country. They should have a sound knowledge of the history and should have formulated clear policies in the light of the lessons learnt from the history. The political leaders should be prepared to make sacrifices for public interest and discharge their responsibilities when they are elected, in the common interest of the country, i.e. without any vested interests and hidden agenda.

IAS officers and political leaders actually work together; though their roles are different, administrative goals should be the same.

IAS officers are suited to act as politicians, just as any other professional would be; because, the political leadership is concerned with all the aspects of life of the people, without any exception. A knowledgeable IAS officer would be strong in men and matters, while a doctor or engineer would be able to understand the needs of the people in their respective areas, plan and execute special schemes to take care of them.

In ideal democracy, such a doubt would not arise because the political leaders would also be equally learned persons, known for their public service. So the question of comparing them with well-educated decent persons would not be necessary. In our country, the political leadership, barring exceptions, is not noted for education or decency. It has become very common to find people with criminal records wielding substantial political influence. The behavior of politicians in public forums, right from the municipal councils to the Parliament, speaks in volumes on this subject.

The disease is spreading to the bureaucratic machinery also, thanks to the manipulations of the politicians. IAS and other top level services are increasingly filled by the officials coming from lower ranks, in many cases as rewards for their unholy alliances with the political people. Even among the IAS officers and other top level officers, we come across persons who are corrupt and criminal. So, it is not correct to think of IAS officers as direct and better substitutes for the 'present day politicians'.

The real question is how to drive away the bad elements from the political field and fill it with well educated, decent, public-spirited and honest persons.

 


By Kumbakonam S Venkataraman, Associate Editor, Dynamic Youth online magazine  | 07 08 2010 14:29:51 +0000
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IAS officers are responsible for strategic work, planning, delegation of work and overall execution of the works planned. Over the years they may adopt the style of politicians but if they adopt it for planning and execution then all will be politics and development works will take back seat. Since they will be working with politicians they've go by their temperament but at the same time they have to realize they are meant for the state's work and not politics. Well, how many bureaucrats have become great politicians?


By Amiya Chaudhuri, Company Partner , ADUNIQUE 76  | 07 08 2010 12:11:31 +0000
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no... whether IAS or a common man its not the matter , a politician must be a public worker .


By veenajoice.c , Assit.Manger (Account), sppl p.ltd  | 07 08 2010 04:51:31 +0000
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AMRITA.AND ALL OTHERS OUT THERE.....TO VINDICATE MY VIEW WRITTEN IN THE MORNING.CNBC IS CURRENTLY RUNNING A 10P.M SHOW ON FACE THE NATION.....IS THE CULTURE OF CORRUPTION RAMPANT AMONST IAS OFFICERS ANCHORED BY SAGARIKA GHOSH.........

NOW IS IT WORTH TALKING ABOUT THE BEAST TAKING OVER THE DEMON.

ITS FOOD FOR THOUGHT

sanjay singhal


By sanjaysinghal , propreitor, charmsincorporate  | 07 07 2010 16:38:36 +0000
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What do u think, Indian cevil services are known for the service or for Burocracy?

Do they lead, or take orders?

The question asked here is like" Can doctor become an enginear?"

Answer is yes. he can, if he learn and understand all skills ,tricks...

but then will he be remain doctor while working as Eng.?

sorry. i guess, i am talking too much.

my answer is NO.


By mmm ggg, xxx, bbb nnn  | 07 07 2010 06:09:29 +0000
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Politics is about leadership of masses or people. IAS officers generally takes leadership in administration or in some government schemes and if he gets support of people, then definitely he can also do the same like politicians and that skills is available with selected individuals only.  


By Biswajit Sarma, Project Manager - Construction of Raddison 5 Star Hotel, DS Group  | 07 07 2010 05:19:47 +0000
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I say "NO' friends and I think that the reason is obvious.A politician is supposed to take the country in a path conducive and in harmony with the interest of us-the citizens.For that, he needs to have qualities, some of which, cannot be accquired by an examination.

I will like to query to my friends who are in support if they do not have any qualms to put such massive responsibility in the hands of someone who is immature (the mature IAS officer will never think of being in politics) or one who is indecisive etc etc? Surely not and there is the answer.

An officer from the Indian Civil Services has been trained to inplement policies and not to make them; to solve problems and not to stop them before they happen; to advise and not to seek advise. So-if you want to have an IAS as a politician, then why not a LLB as an IAS or even a B.E/B.tech as an MD and a butcher as a barber??? The defence rests its case.

Amrita is correct. IAS officers as politicians...never. Some may be suitable but in principle, I stand by Amrita.


By Arindom Borah, Sales Manager, Confidential  | 07 06 2010 16:22:45 +0000
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As per my Opinion King Maker Cant be a King, Administration is Different Thing and Leadership is different.
By Rajesh Kumar Singh, Promotion Manager, Inner Circle Projects private Limited  | 07 06 2010 16:02:51 +0000
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Shivendra thats a good idea but I think there should a separate course for politics, and educated politicians will teach them or some training should be conducted to become a politician.

This will give us good leaders and the system will get a new face......      


By Amrita , Animation/Graphic Artist, Creative design  | 07 06 2010 13:45:19 +0000
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