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Created by : Namrata Pathak, Accounts Manager, American Express  | 04 03 2010 07:05:05 +0000
Industry : Radio, TV & FilmsFunctional Area : India(Markets)
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As the Right to Education Act came into force, there is a lot of focus on the nationalisation of education. While education minister Kapil Sibal feels that education itself is a collaborative enterprise, critics feels that only a public-private partnership can better the state of education. Do you think private engineering schools and business schools can beat the IITs and IIMs in the long-run?

 
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Simply answering on CAN they do it. Yes they CAN

Will they be able to do it:

Only if they maintain disciplined approach, stick to norms, invest in excellence and R & D.

Avoid shortcuts and prevent falling prey to money making.  


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  03 23 2011 04:51:22 +0000
 
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We are glad that India and people of India now have a law called "Right to Education". Now on the 'nation' is to implement this right to millions of children who were / are being kept away from education .. for reason this or that.

Most of the Indians will be happy to see these hapless children in schools in days to come ( a small section only may not like this to happen ... we know the reason ).

But ... that may not be a subject matter here when asked about private B-schools / Higher Edu etc. Here we may discuss about school/s primarily meant for the rich/elite class .. is-it-not ?

Consumerism has led us to the idea that every thing might be sold ... even education. Day by day Higher Education has been  "commercialised". But that is not the problem. Consumers here (the students) are not getting full value of their prices in most of the Private B-schools. They are lacking mostly in expert teachers and infrastructures.

Often the fee structures of private B-schools appears un-reasonable. They collect donations officially or unofficially. Often adopts un-transparent means in their management.

And ... here comes the IITs and IIMs. Till now they stand in better postion than that with Privates.


By ASOKE KUSARI, Domestic Private Banking-Executive/Manager, A large leading PSU Bank - India  04 04 2010 04:55:27 +0000
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Being very frank the levels of education in IIT's & IIM's is falling at a rapid rate today, and their are good private institutes which preferred now a days by people against IIT's & IIM's and if HRD minister is going to force a few more unwanted minorities pointers to the Bills passed, then only GOD can help IIM's & IIT's in near future.


By Sameer Joshi, Assistant Manager - Information Technology, Universal Business School  | 03 23 2011 04:39:53 +0000
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IIT and IIM professors insist they're grossly underpaid. HRD minister Kapil Sibal [ Images ] says the government has finite resources, so faculty salaries can't be raised. Both sides have a point.
By ravindra shrivastava, Information Systems(MIS)-Manager, iifs pvt ltd  | 04 10 2010 10:22:58 +0000
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KAR KHUD HI KO BULAND ITNA, KI HAR TAKDEER SE PEHLE, KHUDA APNE BANDE SE KHUD POOCHE... BATAA, TERI RAZAA KYA HAIN !

YES... Private Schools & Institutions can rise up, to beat or equal the IIT's & IIM's...    BUT ?

They have to RISE IN STANDARD & STATUS... above par, to be able to do this. It calls for a lot of character & devotion & the will power to stay away from just MAD MONEY MAKING.

Happy Debating Friends !


By Naushad H.L., Creative Director, MAD COMMUNICATION  | 04 06 2010 09:07:22 +0000
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There are three things to justify this....

1. Excellent Infrastructure,

2. World class pedagogy & teachers,

3. Quality batch-like top students that too from different platforms, experiences, background & education.

I feel with these three any institute can become international class.


By ujjval jain, Retail, Retail  | 04 06 2010 08:07:23 +0000
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Seeing the current percentage of reservation, in all government run and aided education facilities as well as job scenario, it’s the only refuge left for the deserving few.

Mr.Natteraja Tnx for ref.


By Shiuli Mukherji, Head Strategy Plan- , Region SEA  | 04 06 2010 07:13:52 +0000
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Why not??

Thanks for the referral Mr. Arikrishnan :)


By Makrand Bhave, AGM - Corporate Business, E18, part of Network 18 Group  | 04 06 2010 06:07:55 +0000
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Yes they can. There will be lot of change in the years to come. The private universities/schools will create competition. The existing universities should change the policies to survive and compete the new schools to come. For example universities like BITS, XLRI, ISB, NALSAR, MAHE,VIT, UPES etc have already proved their existence in the private sector. In certain cases students prefer these universities/schools than IIM/IIT etc.Because there is no alternate people are prefering IIT,IIM,NIT etc.

It may taken two to three years to establish themselves, once they are full established the actual results start reaping. These universities/schools should kept out of reservation criteria to prove their talent. Further these institues should change the education culture of India from book/class room oriented  to more practical oriented


By ATMA RAM CHAVALI, MANAGER IT, SBH  | 04 05 2010 16:43:17 +0000
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I agree with Mr.Asoke Kusari and Mr.Prodosh Sen up to some extent and they are correct. But not all the private E/B schools, and there are good B/E schools in our country. But they are charging heavily and students from middle class can not afford.

Now the Right To Education gives birth for nationalization of education. This can successfully be implemented through participation of joint venture between Private & Government. All the norms to be adopted & basic infrastructure are possible under this collaborations across the country. 

All children have the right to education and can not be denied. But, I do not know whether i am right or wrong, [ may be advised] only intelligent students can gain entries into IITs and IIMs. For example, the Premier Institutions have laid down certain norms for selection, may be of those who have scored 1000 marks and above. On the contrary, those who have scored marks between 700 to 999 can not be treated as not intelligent. Scoring high marks comes from mere rote memory.Hence others should also be given enough opportunity to showcase their efficiency and intelligence. The degree of efficiency and ability vary from individual to individual.   

 

 


By NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, GM-Projects, Bentec Electricals & Electronics Pvt. Ltd  | 04 05 2010 16:00:08 +0000
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definitely it happens , see the ISB hydrabad. Private and beating the all the colleges in india.


By ANSARI ZIAUR RAHMAN, MARKETING EXECUTIVE,ERUDITE VASHI  | 04 05 2010 13:01:13 +0000
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There is nothing great about IITs and IIMs anymore. Agreed that at one time they were great and served the need of the hour. Not any more. They have been diluted and poretty much destroyed. They are now as good or as bad as any other institutions.

I have always believed that the students make the institution. If the students and teachers partnership works out, there are no heights an institution cannot achieve. But let it be noted, it must be a synchronised partnership.


By RAMESH KANDADAI, Principal Consultant, ARM Consultants  | 04 05 2010 03:52:04 +0000
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Yes,

The case in point is BIT, Pilani, in case of TechSchools.  And ISB, SPJAIN, XAVIOURS, IBS, et al, in case of B-Schools.


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Green Consultant: Green Buildings, LEED Certifications, GreenGuard, Energy Star, GreenCo Certifications, Energy Audits  | 04 04 2010 05:43:29 +0000
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You are absolutely correct Mr.Namrata. The private E/B schools can beat the IITs & IIM provided, in case they follow the best practice of academic to create the high caliber in students capacity/ability.


By NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, GM-Projects, Bentec Electricals & Electronics Pvt. Ltd  | 04 03 2010 12:31:32 +0000
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Regarding private E / B Schools Beat the IITs / IIMs. It is not the competition between one institution and the other. Any institution they should follow the best practice and what is required for the for the present generation and work with leading companies and to achieve the best result.

K Rajagopalan.   


By Rajagopalan Krishnamoorthy, B.A student  | 04 03 2010 07:51:16 +0000
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It is common knowledge that the sectors that have done well in the post-liberalization era are the ones in which the government has had little or no role to play. This applies to education as well. There is nothing wrong with the IIMs or IITs. Just as a matter of information, I graduated from one of the IITs. Unfortunately, these institutions of national eminence are riddled in politics and one-upmanship. Sometimes, one gets the feeling that these institutions feel they can do no wrong. Do a simple search of research productivity from these premier institutions. They are nowhere in the picture. They are living on past glory. Institutions, whether private or public, that can have the autonomy to adopt the best practices, have the humility to accept that we have a long way to go, and who have human resources with a passion for service, will excel. They will become world-class. Those that are looking only at the short-term or at education as a lucrative business will fall by the wayside.

 


By B V Krishnamurthy, Consultant  | 04 03 2010 07:36:45 +0000
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It will. But not now after 10 years as now it is 50% reservation in india,after it will be 70% reservation in india,so meritious will go to the private sectors than the iit,iims. There will be lack of competion between students in the IIT,IIM so private will beat them in near future. The cream of talent is weeded out from Our colleges because of reservations and it is for sure that these univ. will be their next option and we all know students are the backbone of any institute


By Namrata Pathak, Accounts Manager, American Express  | 04 03 2010 07:05:05 +0000
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yes they can !! But I ask "when ??" So my answer is "No" ( atleast for now..)


By kalyan Dheeraj, B.Tech/B.E. student, National Institute Of Technology (NIT), Warangal  | 01 26 2011 09:02:46 +0000
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RTE act, one-nation-one-syllabus, FDI in higher education, liberalisation of education, public-private partnership, et all. These all happen by chance, are good to read, hard to face and too distant dreams we are made to carry. Far fetched are the goals. By the way most private institutions are going forward, it would take a decade to be at par with IITs and IIMs.


By Navjeet Sood, Business Head, ADI Media Pvt Ltd  | 04 06 2010 12:03:08 +0000
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It is the input which is the best and it further goes into professional fine tuning in IITs and IIMs. Most private B-schools attract 2nd or 3rd list from the merit ranking point of view and the staff in these schools not world class either.


By Prasad PN, Zonal Sales Manager  | 04 06 2010 06:45:49 +0000
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Naah... we all know as one gets used a product more and more, that particualr brand is the best for them!.. no matter what comes out...

well consider the IIMs and IITs as that product... these are becoming buzz words...


By Varun , Ideator  | 04 05 2010 18:37:21 +0000
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Definitely not in the near future. The reputation built by IITs and IIMs are unbeatable. Every Kid in India is taught to dream about IITs and IIMs ( i bet i definitely wil do that to my kids too ;-), or may be if i am given a choice b/w private colleges and II(T/M)s, i bet i go for second, same would be u ), and these are not gonna change atleast for an other generation. And the major factor that pulls down the reputation of other private institutions is the fact that they are run for money, though not all.  


By Jacob Benny John, Software Developer, HCL Technologies  | 04 05 2010 17:26:01 +0000
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IITs / IIMs have developed their reputation over long period time and so far they created a niche for themselves, not for nothing. Best infrastucture in the country, good faculty and stiff entry barrier (competition) are some of the reasons. In all fairness credit goes to government also to because they wanted these bodies to be developed as world class institutions and by and large these institutions have enjoyed professional independence.

For private institutes, to develop the kind of brand equity will take considerable amount of time. Secondly, unlike commercial organizations, where generation of profit matters most at the end of the day, these institutes will be governed by rules where profit maximization may not be possible and even if it generates it has to be ploughed back into the system, sometimes not to the liking of private investor. There will also be a conflict of interest..

I don't foresee private institutes overtaking IIT / IIM in name and reputation, at least not in near future.


By PRODOSH SEN, Heading Design and Quality Assurance in Project Management Vertical, ITC Limited  | 04 05 2010 06:28:28 +0000
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no, private schools reduces quality of education by taking low scoring students. while iit and iims are taking intellegency of students.


By prajapati divyesh, RF Engineer, Netwing Technologies Pvt.Ltd  | 04 05 2010 05:42:43 +0000
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PRIVATE SCHOOLS IF THEY FOLLOW THE BEST EDUCATIONAL PRACTICE AT THE MOST ECONOMICAL RATE WHICH ONLY THE EXISTING IITS AND IIM'S CAN ONLY GIVE.


By kasturirangan.r , INSURANCE ADVISOR, Life Insurance Corporation Of India  | 04 04 2010 16:29:32 +0000
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The level of committment the state owned institutions have towards education,the infrastructure facilities,the social responsibilty are the main factors which distnguish these from private institutions.


By vikas gupta, Consultant, Miracle Solutions  | 04 03 2010 09:07:18 +0000
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