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Created by : Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 04 18 2011 16:55:52 +0000
Industry : Oil & GasFunctional Area : India(Markets)
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The availability of coal and oil are limited. Alternate energy source like hydro electric might have been fully exploited. Other energy sources like solar, wind, tidal, geo-thermal etc  are still in the infancy stage and they can not large amount of energy in the near future.  So as the technology stands today, India has no option than using nuclear energy.  What happened in Japan is terrible. Our roads are filled with terrible accidents. Do we stop using roads. Trains collide head on. Can we stop the railways? More people might have died on road accidents than by nuclear radiation.  

 
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Yes, India has to continue the path with nuclear energy Vs Nuclear is dangerous. We shall learn to live with power cuts
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India should continue the path of nuclear energy. It should learn the lessons from Chernobyl and Japan. And nuclear energy is not the only alternative source. There are many other sources - solar energy, hydro power, recycling of waste, etc. All these sources should be exploited in full wherever possible. Let us understand that nuclear energy is not the only one. But Government and other companies advocate its use because the cutbacks and margins are very high. Who will pay a cutback for solar power?
By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  04 18 2011 17:23:16 +0000
 
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Have we sufficiently worked with tapping of Solar and wind energy? Have we looked at the possibility of electricity from bio-waste? Are we investing in any research to find more alternates? Are we looking to ensure our buildings are eco-friendly and not energy guzzlers by design...etc....The questions may be many but we, in India are destined to copy paste technologies thanks to our good governance and enslaved thinking. Even mini hydro-electric pumps in hills and bio-mass electric units in plains can work wonders.


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  04 20 2011 06:40:14 +0000
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shikha , u hv a point


By puneet , Manager Admin  | 05 16 2011 12:42:26 +0000
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Well for you it might be my ego for me its logical and rational thinking. Both stand their ground firm. Even i could argue its your ignorance thats playing.
By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 05 05 2011 15:11:21 +0000
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My dear friend. Fission is when an electron of an element displace sub-atomic particle of another element in this case it is uranium and throium. Fusion is when you bring together or force an electron of another element to join the orbit of the target element. I am quite aware of the nuclear hazards. If you study them without carefully u will find out that the two major accidents that had happened where because of poor maintenance of reactors , firstly in case of Chernobyl it was 40 years old Soviet era first generation reactors made in the 50's which where highly un-reliable and were not capable of maintaining the reactor ( USSR fall was near and not enough money) in case of japan the reactor was a second generation reactor and was more than 45 years old and was not upgraded ( acknowledged by PM of Japan ).It walls that should have contained radiations had crippled over the years and wasn't properly restored. Today there are the 4-5 th gen reactors and thorium technology is also available which are high on safety standards and do not cause spill over. Nuclear technology was new back in the 60's and 70's and reactors build in those era if not upgraded (most of them are at least in India) would cause disasters like these. As i said before Nuclear technology has lots to give us but we need take required safety steps. Fusion reactors are the thing of the future. Do you know that our Sun is nothing but a large fusion reactor. If scientist can develop an fusion reactor that is efficient enough one large reactor can generate electricity for entire India's consumption needs
By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 05 05 2011 04:52:31 +0000
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@ Ravindra Sharma Well i do understand current grids in India lack efficiency but that doesn't mean centralized generation are less efficient. In fact IBN and other companies have been working to make it efficient enough. It might have its draw back but when you have power shortage as India does we always import electricity from our neighbours in Bhutan where we have invested heavily on hydro-projects. That way it can be tunred towards area which needs it. As far as setting up small power plants to feed particular cities that would be only viable for bigger metro cities not for small town-ship.
By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 05 04 2011 18:09:20 +0000
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All those argument down the drain. Those were examples to tell you what nuclear technology has given us. Some people always follow other but some stand by facts. I sensierly do not know where you belong. You do not understand what nuclear technology has given us and i guess it is Indian TV programmes that give people sleepless nights.

Microwave technology and micro-waves emiters. Nuclear technology is nothing but studying nucleas and sub-atomic elements of every substance and element. Even future technologies like hydrogen fuel cars require study of nuclear technology. I am not stuborn as i said. I just do not getmake statements by reading articals


By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 05 04 2011 18:01:45 +0000
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My 2 cents you mixing military and civilian reactors. Both are different while one creates electricity other creates Bombs. Both have completely different purpose and both have different desgines. You need too brush up on this.

Majority of Indian electricity is produced from coal > air polution , serious health hazards

then comes electricity produced by generators which run on crude oil > Air pollution

Then comes hydro-power > enviornmental hazards

Nuclear power > radiation risk

 

From the above all nuclear power is most efficient

You don't know much about it do you. Its dental X-ray . Remember delta, gamma rays which can penetrate your skin n bone and make a clear picture whats going in your body ?

If u have done an MRI scan you would know that the injection contains liquids that are made from these reactors. These liquids go around your body and them you are exposed to radiation which scans your body .

Nano technology will go kapot with nuclear research.

You may also thank nuclear technology for your very day usage . Including Microwave oven, even internet was a bi-product of research in nuclear technology and so are your communication systems. Do a bit of research on CERN and you will have the idea what i am talking about.

There is no Ego its just that i am matured enough to and ready to understand the postivies and negatives.


By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 05 02 2011 10:40:52 +0000
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Accidents happen every where, on the roads, railways, airways, industrial boilers, and many more man made situations. Why you are talking only about nuclear? It is all due to fear physocology and you do not know how to differentiate nuclear reactor from nuclear bomb


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 05 02 2011 08:09:04 +0000
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Again one cannot argue with TV reports nuclear waste is disposed off around 300 meters below a waste land in a heavily re-inforced storage area. Radiation level to the sorrounding area of a plant do not cause any danger to people living around. Talking abt America bombing Japan , i would like to enlighten you that India hasn't fought any major war after 1974 because of nuclear bomb. It acts as a deterant than actually being used. The enemy nation think 1000 times before attacking a nuclear nation. At present nuclear power is our best change to lesson the gap between supply and demand. The radiation used for treatment of cancer maybe low but is a bi-product of nuclear technology. Dental X-ray, MRI scans . Do you know that radtiation therapy is also used to destroy bacteria and viruses ? The bottom line is Nuclear technology is here to stay. I do not neglect your fear of nuclear fallout but for that we need to upgrade our reactors to lastest standards. Nuclear technology if used carefully can impact our lifes positively. It can also cure thousands of diseases which do not have cure yet.
By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 05 02 2011 07:39:14 +0000
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I have been living near a to active nuclear plants that are know to have created nuclear bombs > BARC chembur, Mumbai . Look at the other side know that they have even cured thousands from cancers and other diseases which are treated from radiation therapy.

Shutting down these plants will also close the window for treatment of such diseases.


By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 05 02 2011 04:37:31 +0000
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No one is allowed to live near a nuclear plant. These plants are located well away from the thickly populated areas. So your question is irrelevent


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 05 02 2011 02:48:22 +0000
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Its like comparing a plan crash to a car crash Funny people suddenly are raising their voice against nuclear power. Do you know the very same reactors are used for industrial as well as medicinal purposes? In fact CAT scan and MRI's are bi-products of nuclear technology. Every technology has its draw backs it how we deal with it matters. The Japanese reactors were more than 40 years old and an accident was waiting to happen. Why don't we look at how indian reactors were safe enought to withstand tsunami in 2004. Yes with nuclear technology we are playing with fire but the fruits we have reaped r worth while taking the risk. Thousands have been cured from cancer and new innovation waiting to be discovered. Future of super conductors and super metals depend on nuclear technology. Its abt playing safe right know
By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 04 26 2011 14:05:23 +0000
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well ravinder we here are talking about 1 nuclear plant generating 10,000 MWs of power which is huge. The sources you have quoted cannot at the moment generate such huge amount of electricity, Till the time we develop a better alternative nuclear plant is better then coal powered plants which would be used against nuclear power plants.


By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 04 26 2011 09:10:34 +0000
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Lot of us don't know about Indian nuclear technology. India for its current requirement is building uranium power plants but it has been doing research in Thorium power plants which are safest as radiation leak isn't a problem in it. We already have 2 power plant testing it since 1980's and by 2015 India will be the only country to commercially use Thorium power plants to generate electricity. Why thorium? It is safer than Uranium plants, Thorium isn't used to build a nuclear bomb . i.e. fission and India has largest reserve of thorium.
By Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University  | 04 26 2011 04:38:12 +0000
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What to do till the fault is understood and rectified? Live in the dark?
By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 04 25 2011 14:10:12 +0000
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Yes,India has to continue the path with nuclear energy
By manikanta narne, B.Tech/B.E. student, s.r.k.i.t  | 04 25 2011 13:13:18 +0000
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Hey Mr. Ravinder Sharma,

What you are talking is Hybrid power generation. It is all implemented. Similarly, there are people producing Bio-gas from food/vegetable wastes. But the problem remain solved mainly because of reliable power production.

Manufacturing companies does need reliable source for production of power. Otherwise, who will be interested to invest money & keeping the machinery downtime. No body like these kind of situation. NPP can quarantee you this reliability.

I spent 4 lacs to have produced 8 units of Solar power at home. But, till today, I am unable to get reliable supply. What to say about Industry then. It is not that we can not produce non-conventional energy. The production of power continuously is not quaranteed.


By KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed  | 04 20 2011 08:59:37 +0000
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The technique to generate energy from cow dung is available for the past 30 years. But it is not becoming popular and it is not promoted by the government. It is a clean power. 


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 04 20 2011 01:48:57 +0000
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In India, renewable energy is in the infancy stage. Moreover, for bigger Industrial requirements, it is not Reliable. Reliability & Safety , Cost benefits, are the few consideration we need to consider for any Energy production.

Nuclear energy is more or less suitable to us, for the amount of energy consumption that we need & the type of Industrialization likes to be carried out. We have good expertise in NPP & ARE SUCCESSFULLY RUNNING NPP even after a Tsunami. Hope this knowledge & experience in this field will enrich our goal to attain energy self-sufficiency by using Nuclear power.

Indian Atomic Commission has very recently vouched the safety & integrity of the NPP in India. Also, in BRICS, India agreed to review the safety standards in the light of occurrence in Japan with the help of Russia.

By looking at these prospect, I think, India can go for NPP option. At the same time, efforts to increase the use of non-conventional energy is to be encourage by all means.

Thanks for referral Sikhamalhotra.


By KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed  | 04 19 2011 15:55:38 +0000
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We must continue in path of nuclear energy , however extreme care for safety must be taken.Especially our Indian attitude of chalta hai should not be allowed in Nuclear power plants .
By Kartikeya R Misra, Dy General Manager and Head of Electrical and Instrumentation dept., GMDC  | 04 19 2011 12:47:13 +0000
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But the small drop you are talking shall be affordable to common man. Else it will be piped dream


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 04 19 2011 11:30:48 +0000
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If the world can reach and maintain the required safety measures to avoid natural disaster, then nothing if better than nuclear energy...reliable and environment friendly!
By Rohit Thakur, Electrical Engineer-Industrial, Quality Engineering and Software Technologies  | 04 19 2011 10:58:05 +0000
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Solar is still costly even though the prices are coming down. But it still beyond the reach of many. Our requirement is in MW while you are talking in KW


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 04 19 2011 09:55:30 +0000
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We cannot live with power cuts though there is a lot we need to do. Nuclear power is the answer and till when we do not develop an alternative to this we just cannot help it.
By Shikha Malhotra, Product Development Manager, Reliance Petroleum  | 04 19 2011 09:19:28 +0000
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We are looking for alternate energy source at least for the past 30 years. The result is very poor. There is some success in the wind energy. Most of the other are in the research labs.


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 04 19 2011 02:09:12 +0000
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If India is looking for energy security, currently there is no choice other than using nuclear energy. I will stay the progress we made in that segment is very small. Our atomic energy department is not able to generate energy as it was planned due to non-cooperation from the west. 


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 04 18 2011 16:55:52 +0000
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Yes, we are living a luxurious life. Can we stop all our air conditioners at home, office and car?


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 05 06 2011 02:54:30 +0000
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We can use nuclear enegy for treatment but not for supplying power to our luxurious living habit.


By Akilan augustin raj M, Shift Engineer (Mechanical - Power Plant), S V Sugar Mills Limited  | 05 06 2011 00:04:05 +0000
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this is your ego that you are denying the fact and nothing can be done against an egoist.


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 05 05 2011 07:18:33 +0000
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nuclear technology is not about studying nucleas and sub atomic particles. it is about nuclear fusion and nuclear fission means the emission of energy. that produces a lot of energy in the atomic reactor where nuclear fission takes place. and due to this nuclear fission large amount of energy is produced with lot of radiation. this is done in the box that can handle these reaction. i am cleary understand what you are saying but you are not trying to understand. do you know exactly how many particles atom have other then electon, proton and nutron. there are many others too. well im not here to discuss this lets see the hazards with this. you can check out here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accidents

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/14/nuclear-power-plant-accidents-list-rank


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 05 04 2011 21:43:18 +0000
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you are comparing microwave oven and nuclear reactor. too childish. well i know stubborn people never want to understand what is right or wrong. like the hitlar always thought he did the right thing. and you are also right according to you. because there is a manna chitta relation which creates the tatva buddhi. which is individual to individual. always time prove rite or wrong thing. thanks for your argument.


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 05 03 2011 20:21:28 +0000
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Dear Sarabjit,

Higher centralised generation as well means higher carrying costs, higher losses and moreover higher safety hazards.

Just one point thinking is myopic at best. 


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 05 03 2011 07:18:22 +0000
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i have read an essay in childhood, the advantages and disadvantages of science. we are taking science benefits because till now the disadvantages are tool low. but see where we are today. From the war point of view as was my earlier post we have acquired enough atomic power so that other countries can not fight. but excess of any thing is harmful. we have reach now to biological weapons. The disease that spread in these days how you can say was not the trial of biological weapons. the production of energy is one thing and management of energy is other thing. We think that our system is very good enough to maintain the system or the plant. and in near future we find that ohhh there was a little mistake due to which lakhs are peoples are in trouble. ohhhh we will refine this mistake further but again another mistake happen. im not saying that development should not happen but it should be by taking all the risk factor. you are going with tv report. in which tv report and how many says that dental filling is very injirous and posiness for human because it contain mercury that is poison for human. the matter is endosulphan is recent now. there are thousand of things going on around you that you people dont want to understand because of little ego. try to find out how frequently the disease are spreading in which even the cause is unknown. you seems to inspired of technology and news. but you should find out the truth behind the scenes. i too very much inspired with all this but we can not neglect the harmful things.


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 05 02 2011 09:22:16 +0000
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ohhh that is hack. i was expecting million of thumbs down because i was talking about saving the people. why i was considering the degrading of soil and people due to increasing number of nuclear plant. the radiation used in treatment of cancer is very low. what are the dangerous side effect of that i think one should know. it is helpful to save the people life because it is low. what if the radiation will be very very strong as in nuclear plant. Well please give me thumb down because all we want is destruction. and without nuclear plant only destruction can be happen in this country as it was in japan before the america use the atomic bomb there or the before the radiation leak in now days. if we want the progress of india, in every city nuclear plant is necessary. if there will be loss of several generation, so what...atleast we can get energy during our lifetime.


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 05 02 2011 06:42:49 +0000
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I want to ask one question to all. wheather they want to live in a house near a nuclear station where the nuclear waste go in to soil and there can be a sudden damage in nuclear station due to atmosphare or human error. is the majority of the people say yes for this question. then i should say that there must be at least one nuclear station in every city of india. 


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 05 01 2011 22:10:27 +0000
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A known solution, namely reducing the individual consumption. But we are buying more air conditioners now days than earlier. Can we stop that? Modern buildings are more energy guzzlers than the previous one. Civil engineers and architects are putting a huge strain on the power system. 

See the new assembly building in Tamil Nadu. Natural ventilation and lighting are not at all used. So there is a power shortage in Tamil Nadu


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 05 01 2011 12:33:37 +0000
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WE can reduce our individual power consumption. We can go for alternate energy like wind, hydal and other renewable energy sources, not for Nuclear energy. Minor leakage of nuclear fuels will cause severe impact on people and environment. Whereas Other power plants does not have such drawbacks.
By Akilan augustin raj M, Shift Engineer (Mechanical - Power Plant), S V Sugar Mills Limited  | 05 01 2011 09:21:39 +0000
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Alternate must be worked out. 1-Solar 2-Wind 3-Tidal 4-Hydral etc...
By Nilesh Jain, Project Manager, A Leading Media/Telecom Co.  | 04 27 2011 07:12:19 +0000
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The people that made the plastic now say that please ban the plastic and use the paper or jute bag. at that time they were not aware of danger of the plastic. like this we are not aware of the danger of nuclear power. dont connect term nuclear with only national security, because we have enough nuclear power so that we can answer the enemy. but use of nuclear everywhere is very dangerous. you can see this in japan. the people who are innocent and dont know about these projects always fill fine.


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 04 26 2011 12:57:58 +0000
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And As I think this debate is only wheather we should find alternative for nuclear in power production or we should use nuclear in the same. It is not about the other nuclear program I think so...


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 04 20 2011 10:12:15 +0000
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if we are not able to find the other resources for energy, this is our fault and we should try to find new things. It is very difficult to accept our own fault. it needs courage. else we can disgrade any comment.


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 04 20 2011 10:04:28 +0000
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Mr Amunatham,

Lack of WILL.,is the simple term that can define Indian planners and policy makers.

Copy pasting existing technologies can offer commissions and the more it is obsolete the higher the share...........................whereas R & D is demanding and emerging technologies can not afford to pay huge cuts, hence obvious lack of interest....


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 04 20 2011 07:37:42 +0000
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Some work is going on for years together in those lines you have indicated, but till today no tangible result. Wind mills show some promise but we do not have sufficient wind to generate power. It is limited in availability. 


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 04 20 2011 07:14:18 +0000
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There are alternative too. like in Up as i posted in another debate There person here produce light with cow waste. The lamp with that are ready to produce commercially. they are very useful in villege area where cow waste is much but electricity is not. We can only use the thing on broad way which is in heavy amount. like the solar energy, water,natural gases and so on... Try to convert the natural. we creating new process of energy by using the atomic power. As we will increase the new processes The danger will increase rapidly. So conversion of natural resource by a natural method is more easy and helpful. Like in old building there was no ac but they increased the height of the roof so that the room can be cool.


By Nitin Mehra, Software Developer, ROBOMAN MICROSYSTEMS  | 04 19 2011 23:10:18 +0000
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Long time back I was in BARC. The one dialog I used here often is "Chalega nagi Chalega" Do not under estimate Indians. Indian reactors are much more safer than compared to ones run by money minded corporates in US and Japan.  


By Kadal Amutham, Head R&D , Fifth Generation Technologies (P) Ltd  | 04 19 2011 14:10:29 +0000
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True that we are talking about MW and I am answering you in KW as is said that each DROP Can Make an OCEAN, if a thousand people have solar PV Power plant of 2kWp on their homes that can reduce the grid dependence by 2MW it looks small but the impact is good and very huge. 

Again a SMALL RAINDROP CAN DO NOTHING BUT THAT RAINDROPS WHEN IN MILLIONS CAN MAKE HUGE RIVER BY THEMSELVES, SAME IS THE CASE WITH SOLAR WE ARE seeing money being wasted on nothing but just look and Social status. If people can buy a home that costs them 2 Crores then why cant they have a solar system and make our planet greener, only thing is that are changing, BELIEVE ME OR NOT WE WILL SOLAR ON EVERY ROOF TOP WITH IN NEXT TWO DECADES. SOLAR + WIND PLACES MUCH MORE ADVANTAGES AT CERTAIN PLACES.


By Uma Rama Linga Murthy M, Marketing Executive, RenewAbility  | 04 19 2011 10:25:30 +0000
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Nuclear energy is dangerous & will feel heat of oppose after current incidence

of Japan.

So, we should go for solar energy & unconventional source for electricity.

Thanks for referral, Shikha.


By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 04 19 2011 09:46:48 +0000
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Nuclear is Dangerous and we don't have to get adjusted to power cuts. Instead we can make our own power from Solar. Solar is the best option available in India. Today there is a lot of scope for solar energy and to have a two kW system on a home is sufficient for an average house and will reduce pressure on grid. Remember the pay back for solar power plant say 100kW is below 5 Years. So it can be a best option for certain industries too. Time to think of power cuts is gone, now its time to have a cleaner greener and safe sufficient renewable energy. Lets GRAB IT and LIVE GREEN.
By Uma Rama Linga Murthy M, Marketing Executive, RenewAbility  | 04 19 2011 09:46:26 +0000
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