A good teacher doesn't need such rules to get students to attend his classes..... They will come on their own accord.... But such rules do help no good idiots disguised as teachers to obtain their paychecks.........
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K.R. Manish, Mechanical Engineer [Mainetenance], NTPC
| 08 11 2011 16:37:05 +0000
Some smart fellow on the other side said "Will u sit in a plane designed by an Engg. student who did not attend his lectures?" The simple answer is yes. Don't forget that the Wright brothers were just bicycle makers & not Engg. graduates from Harvard.....
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K.R. Manish, Mechanical Engineer [Mainetenance], NTPC
| 08 11 2011 16:30:13 +0000
Sounds rebellion ? Our education system is very conservative. It will take some decade(hope not centuries) before it becomes student centric.We turned eduction into profit making yet our students debarred from evaluating services. Just a few decades ago,Teachers words were final testament as books were were not affordable or were not easily available. Now there are plenty of books on a particular topic. To help further Google is there. Our country is yet exploit the power of technology in the area of education. The day is not far away when books(paper) will be replaced by electronic books and there central electronic depository for certificate. We have envisioned the concept of Virtual university ,I hope decade will bring a drastic change in education system revolutionizing the very concept of teaching.
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Ranjeet Kumar, B.Tech Mech. Engg,Kurukshetra University
| 07 29 2011 17:55:45 +0000
Attendance at colleges is a compulsory necessity because that is the only assured way of learning that we have. The internet based learning methods may have matured significantly, but the students are yet to understand and utilise them properly. Lack of attendance almost always means ignorance as of today. With both attitude and aptitude towards internet based learning improving, this entire scenario is bound to change. But till that change is effected, this is the only assured learning technique for most of the people.
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RAMESH KANDADAI, Principal Consultant, ARM Consultants
| 07 27 2011 12:14:29 +0000
Well if pointing out the mistakes of our elders is arrogant i m proud to be arrogant.I think instead of teaching respect elders,respect the right would go a long way in developing state of affairs in most fields including indian politics.When Mr kalmadi is commiting crimes costing crores of taxpayers money do you expect those younger to him to respectfully criticize him?That would be really insane.Anyway we are deviating from the topic.Still I would like to request to be less offensive henceforth.
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Sushrut Bhat, B.Tech/B.E. student, JSSATE,bangalore
| 07 27 2011 12:13:22 +0000
Well Mr srinivas on what basis did you presume that I never ask any valid questions to my teacher.There have been several instances where the lecturer simply says we will talk about it in next class and also in the worst case scenario i also get 'do you think u r smart of urself?'.So as i was saying I think everyone here passed out in days where attending lectures was actually and truly productive.But the current scenario is not the same.
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Sushrut Bhat, B.Tech/B.E. student, JSSATE,bangalore
| 07 27 2011 08:40:51 +0000
With due respect i find your argument completely outdated. Practicals account for a maximum of 9 hrs/week.The remaining 27 hrs are devoted to lectures.How sitting idly in lectures for 27 hrs a week will help us prepare for the kind of future you described is beyond my imagination. And neither are we in a conservative atmosphere nor are we being guided by teachers.It is a thing of the past.Most teachers today are happy to take their paychecks without doing any justice to their jobs.
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Sushrut Bhat, B.Tech/B.E. student, JSSATE,bangalore
| 07 27 2011 06:00:24 +0000
Simple logic tells me that if i m smart and someone else is dumb we both would not have the same jobs. We get a yearback if we dont fullfil the attendance norms.So how can we walk out?
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Sushrut Bhat, B.Tech/B.E. student, JSSATE,bangalore
| 07 27 2011 05:31:14 +0000
I think, again you are not getting what i m trying to say.The current curriculum of many universities like vtu is not good enough to make you sit for 52 hours for a particular subject to score well in the same.I dont deny that there are people who do not the find the curriculum easy.But by making the norms optional you would be giving smart people a choice to develop new skills.Rules in our society should strive to achieve progress for the backward(intellectual) but not by slowing down others.
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Sushrut Bhat, B.Tech/B.E. student, JSSATE,bangalore
| 07 26 2011 17:35:21 +0000
I think the argument is more about making the attendance optional.As in student allows himself to choose which lectures to sit in.Also enrolling in corresponding courses makes him lot difficult to be hired.If I ask myself what percent of the lectures i sit in has productive output i find it difficult to give a positive response and i m sure many others feel the same too.
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Sushrut Bhat, B.Tech/B.E. student, JSSATE,bangalore
| 07 26 2011 14:54:07 +0000
In most Indian engineering colleges,students are forced to attend a minimum of 75%(85% in some cases)of the classes.Whatever is the objective behind such a rule, the harsh reality is that it's a utter waste of time for most of the students.Attendance should be made voluntary so that only those people who need it attend.All the students attending degree colleges are adults and as such know/must know the consequences of their actions(whether attending/not).Whereas it becomes much easier for other students who find it unnecessary to attend lectures, to pursue other interests whether academic or otherwise.
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Sushrut Bhat, B.Tech/B.E. student, JSSATE,bangalore
| 07 26 2011 12:22:14 +0000
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No, there is no point in college and senior college education in that cse. You can study evrything at home, no need to go anywhere!!! College teaches you how to mix socially and deal wid competition issues, and keep your mind on education also as well as participate in extra cirricular activities that go intop shaping the personality of the student.
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neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp
| 09 30 2011 17:46:37 +0000
There is no point in making attendance compulsory, there are the students who scores really well in the exams without attending any classes, and off course there are some universities who put restrictions regarding attendance, so we should not comment faculties or HOD for this system. Colleges need to put efforts practical teaching instead of teaching inside four walls ...
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ricky P, SMM exeutive,
| 09 30 2011 06:32:51 +0000
Compulsion of attendance create lots of disturbance in mind of the student,because students want to do something creative. But the pressure of attendance and to attend the class kill the creativity of student.
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Suman Kumari, MBA/PGDM student, Banasthali University
| 09 29 2011 18:33:04 +0000
Because willingly or unwillingly the students will sit inside the class, at least they will know, how many subjects are their? How much syllabus is their? This is applicable for the students, who's parents will pay the fees but children will be running here and their. The presence in the class will surely make them involve in the curriculum gradually. One cannot force them ,but it is left to lecturer's how can they make their dry subject interesting .how to make students to involve in the subject.
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parimala.c.wagh , Tech Architect, Rites.Ltd/GC/BMRCL
| 09 29 2011 07:46:20 +0000
I dont think so ! Engineering seats are costly to get in the first place and seats like in IIT, Roorkee etc., are through competitive exams and cut of marks wherein a serious or deserving candidate doesnt get selected sometimes on thin margins. So why should a candidate not serious on attending classes get the seat in the first place ?
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Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group
| 08 06 2011 17:17:10 +0000
You must attend college if you want to not to make Bihari Baboos in India. If not one can opt for correspondence course or distant learning course instead...!!
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suhaschandra deshpande, Marketing Associate
| 07 30 2011 11:00:59 +0000
I disagree with the idea that all subjects are equal. If you spend 2 hours in college, if you don't attend college at all, and if you spend 8 hours in college, there has to be a differenttiation.
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neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp
| 07 29 2011 05:18:40 +0000
Dear Sushrut its not my intention to hurt your feelings. When I used "you" its not you as an individual, its the student community. I have no hesitation to say sorry to my kids, if I am wrong to them. Thank you very much for the suggestion.
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Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.
| 07 28 2011 06:18:43 +0000
Why enroll in a school if u dont want to attend.Problems may be with all but schools do not ask for 100% attendance, there is always a reasonable allowance for urgencies and emergencies. Institution is good or bad, that is your selection but ater joining, one must have proper respect or institution and teachers, that alone can improve the quality o education. By out right rejecting them u stand no where.
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PRITHVI RAJ DUBEY, Managing Director, RAJ ENGINEERING INDUSTRIES PVT LTD
| 07 28 2011 02:19:44 +0000
If one does not want to attend classes then one should opt for e-learning or distance learning instead of joining the regular colleges. Fortunately or Unfortunately these modes are not available for professional courses. When one accepts admission into a regular college then one should follow the rules and regulations of such a college. Attending to the lectures and practicals is very much necessary in order to effectively function in the field chosen by one.
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kanukurthy sudershanrao, Operations Manager, Andhra Bank
| 07 27 2011 14:45:47 +0000
If you don't want to attend the college then you should have courage to tell that to your college authorities & your parents. & you should think twice before taking the admission to the engineering. I fully agree with Muralidharanji's view. Thanks for referral, Sheetal
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SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd
| 07 27 2011 13:12:01 +0000
Arrogance is not the answer. The institution you opted to join may not have the good faculty. Since you are paying you have every right to ask for a good faculty. True brilliance is either leaving the country or joining some organisation in search of good package. Nobody is willing to take teaching as a profession because of numerous factors. One such factor is arrogance of students. They dont have respect to their teachers and their elders. Payments are comparatively low is another killing factor.
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Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.
| 07 27 2011 08:51:55 +0000
Mr. Sushrut Bhat I cant agree with you. What Mr. Murali said is right. You are into a professional course. Without attending the classes how you can learn. Students are habituated to "one day batting". They are interested in getting good marks. They are sick of attending classes. You just cant criticize the faculty. How many times you posed a question to your faculty. If you go on asking valid questions, faculty would have shown interest. You are forcing them to deliver the content not the knowledge. It is ridiculous to argue from your point of perception.
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Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.
| 07 27 2011 08:05:49 +0000
Most teachers today are happy to take their paychecks without doing any justice to their jobs. So, the problem is not attendance but it is the faculty. Hence you should fight for getting good faculty rather than fighting against attendance.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 27 2011 07:17:23 +0000
Simple logic tells me that if i m smart and someone else is dumb we both would not have the same jobs. Simple logic also tells me that either through reservation or through back door anybody can get in anywhere..... We get a yearback if we dont fullfil the attendance norms.So how can we walk out? You cannot learn swimming without getting wet.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 27 2011 05:57:35 +0000
Rules in our society should strive to achieve progress for the backward(intellectual) but not by slowing down others. Isn't our current reservation policies in education and jobs slowing down others? But by making the norms optional you would be giving smart people a choice to develop new skills if you are a smart person and another person is dumb....assume that both of you land in the same job at the same place which pays ten thousand rupees for working 8 hrs. If you the smart person is able to complete the job in 5hrs, that does not mean that you can go home after 5 hours and do something else. If somebody is smart and feels that the class room lectures are not useful to him/her, they should just walk out of the class rather than asking the college/university to help them walk out by relaxing the rules for class attendance.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 27 2011 02:19:26 +0000
enrolling in corresponding courses makes him lot difficult to be hired I agree with that. In that case this question about attendance shouldn't pop up at all. This is like saying, "I want to be religious but do not want to read any holy books or visit any place of worship or practice what any religion says". This is not attainable. If you want to be religious, you ought go by at least some of its rules. Similarly, attending a lecture is a must. If you think attending classes is a waste then you should pay a penalty in terms of a reduced grade or marks. Even after so much of enforcement,many people enroll for engineering courses and don't show up.Also, even after so much of strict enforcement, many students stop coming to college(including lectures and lab) as soon as they meet the minimum required attendance. What is the use of sending these students to the real world where they have not attended the required number of lectures and practicals?. Will you travel in an aeroplane which was serviced by a engineer who did not attend most of the theory and practical classes?
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 26 2011 15:32:04 +0000
If attending lectures/classes is a menace, then one should not enroll in a program but try to learn the course on your own. Of course it also depends on other factors like - quality of faculty, attitude of faculty and students etc
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 26 2011 13:25:19 +0000
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