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Created by : Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 04 30 2010 06:07:30 +0000
Industry : Public Sector/GovernmentFunctional Area : Railways- Sanitation & Hygiene(Others)
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Court notice to railways over filthy 'golden showers' Indo-Asian News Service Gandhinagar, April 29, 2010( First Published: 22:34 IST(29/4/2010)Last Updated: 22:36 IST(29/4/2010) The Indian Railways' age-old toilet disposal system, which lets the refuse flow directly on the tracks, has caused an Ahmedabad resident to make an angry petition to the Gujarat High Court. He has complained of filthy "golden showers" falling on people passing below poorly-maintained railway overbridges in Ahmedabad. The court on Thursday issued notices to the Western Railways over inconvenience to road users due to the "filthy droppings" from passing trains caused by improper maintenance of the overbridges. Acting on a public interest litigation filed by Joseph Chelliah, a division bench of Chief Justice SJ Mukhopadhya and Justice Akil Kureshi on Thursday issued notices to the railway authorities seeking to know the steps being taken to ensure proper maintenance of overbridges in Ahmedabad. The petitioner said that two of the overbridges in the city are not water resistant and filthy droppings, which he termed as "golden showers", fall directly on road users passing under these bridges. He claimed that the railways had not taken any effective steps to upgrade the open toilet disposal system on the trains. His case was that the Railways was violating the fundamental rights of road users by not updating its century-old unhygienic toilet disposal system on trains. "Every Indian has the right to live with dignity and neatness, and the current toilet disposal system of trains is violative of our fundamental rights," the petitioner contended. He said he was compelled to approach the high court as the railway authorities did not reply to his letter dated March 29 which requested changes in this system in the larger public interest. After hearing the petitioner, the division bench issued notices to the zonal manager of Western Railways, Mumbai, and the divisional railway manager, Ahmedabad, and posted the next hearing for June 22.
 
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Ravindra yes our railways system is in worst condition. Not only the toilets should be replaced we need more good technology rail coaches for the betterment of the system. Railway is the most widely used form of transport in India and we have not seen any development in the last few years. So the government should improve the facilities for time being and try to change it as soon as possible.


By Sulagna Brahma, Sr Reporter, Leading Indian English Daily  05 03 2010 08:39:36 +0000
 
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Dear Sulagna,

 

Thanks for participation,

Why does media fail to follow such issues to take to a logical culmination, always intrigues me.  


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  05 06 2010 07:41:11 +0000
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The golden showers syndrome pertaining to the Railways has been an age old issue that needs to be addressed at the earliest. Indian Railways being one of the largest Railways in the world in terms of track kms needs to upgrade its technological capabilities in order to improve the basic living conditions of other members living in proximity to the railway tracks or are passing under or near the railway tracks......


By Badri N Srinivasan, Head - Quality, Valtech India Systems Pvt. Ltd.  | 05 04 2010 15:01:00 +0000
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Hi Sulagna thank you 4 inviting me at this debate. The article is funny and also quite disturbing to learn, we need to address such matters in 2010. The golden droplets are no doubt a nuisance for the passer-by using that street. In most countries one could have filed a case of nuisance in Tort but sadly law of torts are not applicable in India. Although immediate solution for this problem is easy, authorities or groups can inform the concerned railway authorities about the problem repeatedly. As expected they will be either no reply or if even they receive a reply railways will take ages to take any action. Meanwhile authorities or group can file a petition (preferably PIL) against the railway authority demanding immediate action against negligence. In the petition itself one can demand/advise the railways to improve their sanitary infrastructure and surely to repair that bridge immediately. This process may take some time but believe me its effective.  


By Satadru Shastri, Partner, Mukherjee & Shastri  | 05 04 2010 06:27:19 +0000
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The technology in use in toilets requires an urgent change. Several proposals are pending with files collecting dust. railways must take this up with deserved urgency as it as well involves their track maintenance,repair and inspection teams to work under inhuman conditions.


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 05 04 2010 06:22:20 +0000
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If it doesnt happen at the regional or zonal level, take it up to the national level. The media can and should play a role in spearheading this case and make noise till something is done even if it has to be with private participation.


By David , Parts Manager, Ferrari/Maserati Spa and Bentley UK  | 05 04 2010 05:14:07 +0000
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Yes I agree with you Ms.Sulagna.

The railway authorities should look into the matter very seriously, since it is a great concern for all passengers, and should initiate the remedial actions immediately.  


By NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, GM-Projects, Bentec Electricals & Electronics Pvt. Ltd  | 05 03 2010 17:40:52 +0000
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hi sulagna

the most used transport by people in today is railway. but it is not hygienic altogether it is worst among transport which everyone in daily life uses. govt need to do something for it's cleanliness and availability of seats to passengers especially older and women.child.    


By puneet , Manager Admin  | 05 03 2010 17:08:22 +0000
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This practice is wrought with sickness.  The people in the train may have serious illness and bringing their waste into contact with others is dangerous. 


By William R. Warren, MBA, V.P. Sales and Marketing, BRJ Instruments, Inc.  | 05 03 2010 14:46:48 +0000
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Its not my interest only. In fact, its every Indians aspiration to have nice amenities in Railways. Look at the wonderful part of the world where they have nice and meaningful railway service. At least, you have seen in Movies the nicest part they have shown. There is no doubt that, India's Railway is Oldest and longest/largest in service for a very big population. The revenues they eke out is very large, giving duly all scope for miss-use of fund, Still, they have a large sum that can be used for welfare.

People, never even, mind in paying a bit extra for better amenities. No body rejects the AC service as it is expensive. First and foremost booking going full is in AC. It reflects the mass interest in travel. But ,why not, railway is not investing on this kind of sentiment when it prevails on earth?. When there is a potential to earn, there is, no fear to be shown by govt ,on investing money.

Introducing few rails in every budget is welcome & its shown as a new venture in railways service . An extra credit is gained in all election.But, they do not show interest in developing the railways. Because there is a vested interest in all sector that blocks whenever, new things are to be  introduced.

Since the other land transport. like motor cars are not meeting the very needs of most of the population.Every body try use railways.So, as a bridging measure & also as business strategy, railway need to enhance the amenities to International level.

Now, only passengers amenities to booking is streamlined, mainly to focus good revenue.But, they have not thought of giving adequate facility for what they are collecting for it. Hope near future some good will prevails in this direction.

See the Air industry exploded in the recent times. In similar way, Railway needs to be exploded. But, the stumble is where we are talking between Industries.


By KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed  | 05 03 2010 13:33:05 +0000
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it's been long and some thing has to be done for this, if you travel in sleeper class or in general compartment except in AC or 1st class every where the situation is same worst is there is no storage system like we have on flights, chemical toilets are the best option available but again there has to be proper mentainance otherwise storage tanks are the best option which can be cleaned at all the major railway stations where there is a halt for more than 15 minutes. Good, after so many years people understand the importance of this issue.
By B.Mehernath , Marketing & Technical Head, Bondit Construction Chemicals Pvt. Ltd.  | 05 03 2010 12:03:40 +0000
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The system should change having collecting tanks and getting disposed at regular intervals


By Mohammed Sadique, Project Manager - PMP- TOYOTA Application Support (AS/400 Tech), Abdul Lateef Jameel -TOYOTA  | 05 03 2010 10:54:55 +0000
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A school girl from southern Tamil Nadu had invented a system for proper disposal of toilet waste for use in the trains. She even successfully demonstrated it to the then Railway Minister who had mentioned that this would be implemented. However, till now nothing has happened.

Simple - that there was no one to grease the palms of the railway officials in order to implement this system (this being an invention of an ordinary school child and not a big corporate flush with funds) this system has not been implemented.

The intelligent “Babus” would spend their time and effort trying and planning to make more money. Wouldn’t it be too much for a government/railway employee put his/her “Grey Cells” to use? After all, they are the highest paid employees – paid to gossip and rest at office (highest paid considering the number of hours of actual/real work done by them). What can we citizens expect from these unionized personnel.

Maybe Jayalalitha was right in treating the government employees like what she did.


By G A Narayan, VP - Marketing, KE Housing P. Ltd.  | 05 03 2010 10:41:29 +0000
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I completely agree with Sulagna's opnion and personally the same thing has happened to my car while I was driving past a crossing in Faridabad. I am fortunate enough that the Golden shower's btunt has to be taken by my car.

The Railway Minister should have time for all these. What should have been changed much earlier is still exist since all the yes men/women are with Minister. It is actually a national shame.


By Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant  | 05 03 2010 09:41:05 +0000
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Thanks Mr. Natteraja for referral. I think it is too late and we have to wait and see what steps railways will take and how long it will take. Unhygienic toilets reeking of human excreta is an environmental burden as well. It was decided during Mr. Lalu Prasrd's tenure to install eco friendly toilets and really don't know what is the status of it now.


By Manoj Kumar, Sr: Manager - QA, ARCHETYPE GROUP, INDIA  | 05 01 2010 06:56:25 +0000
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Really it is shocking news on the poor maintenance of the toilet systems & the railway over bridges that have been a nuisance & irritation to the public. We must appreciate the move taken Mr.Joseph Chelliah for having filed the public interest litigation. And the division bench has also issued notice to the Zonal manager, Mumbai and to the Divisional Railway manager, Ahmadabad which is appreciable.  At least now the railway authorities should take necessary remedial action towards up grading the age old toilet systems in the trains and should ensure that the proper maintenance of the railway over bridges in order to stop the filthy shower over people passing.

Thanks for the referral Mr.Ravindra Ji.

 


By NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, GM-Projects, Bentec Electricals & Electronics Pvt. Ltd  | 04 30 2010 15:42:06 +0000
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Please.....obviously the neanderthal system of how the toilets are designed needs to be changed.


By RAMESH KANDADAI, Principal Consultant, ARM Consultants  | 04 30 2010 06:45:14 +0000
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Agree Ravindra, the purpose is extremely important!!


By Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International  | 05 04 2010 08:29:22 +0000
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Agree Makrand,

This at best is aimed to generate opinion so that Railways do not sit back again after replacing the tin sheets that have for decades been the sole protection.

The purpose is important to debate you would agree.....


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 05 04 2010 07:48:39 +0000
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I do not find a connection in this topic for a debate. At best Ravindra an ideation but certainly not a debate.

My point is that the validity of a topic to debate on has to have two sides that are strong to defend. If not, there is no debate at all. But to continue, lets just say that the leakages need to be plugged in immediately. The need for technology driven system is immediate but by the time the government wakes up, its gong to be golden showers anyway. So I say plug the leakages asap.

Thanks for the referral Ravindra :)


By Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International  | 05 04 2010 07:00:12 +0000
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