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Created by : Aarti Gupta, Legal Consultant  | 02 09 2011 10:17:48 +0000
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19 parents go to SC to stop the State from criminalising their children. In an extraordinary expression of solidarity with their children’s cause to decriminalise their identity, the 19 parents have joined hands to fight in courts a “sustained attack” by organisations and private persons who insist that their children’s sexuality, if not criminalised, would destroy “family values”!! Do you really think that having gay, transgender or lesbian children around can have a bad effect on family values?

 
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We already have so many complications in life people. We haven’t answered even one question like:

  1. Who am I?
  2. Why was I born?
  3. What am I doing?
  4. What am I supposed to do?
  5. Why am I still working under him/ her?
  6. Why have I never got a hike since last year?
  7. When is my wife/ husband ever going to understand me?
  8. When will my son/ daughter listen to me?
  9. When will I become rich?

Or even better:

  1. What is life? /Is this life?
  2. What is death? /What is birth?
  3. Who is God?/ Who is Satan?
  4. How did I end up in my parents' family (amongst 6 billion people!)?

Or:

  1. Does M-Theory help me in understanding the origin of the universe totally?
  2. When will we find out a formula for deducing the occurrences of all Prime numbers?
  3. Is Stephen Hawking right when he says I don't believe in God?
  4. Do Carl Sagan's theories of the universes still hold?
  5. Will we ever be able to map all the genes?
  6. 2012? (Very near now!)
  7. What is the matrix?

Or:

  1. Is Dan Brown right about Jesus’ daughter and Holy Grail?
  2. Does Rekha (film actress) ever age?
  3. When is that TV series about Saas-Bahu (mother-in-law and daughter-in-law) going to end?

Or:

  1. Have I been of some help to somebody today?
  2. Have I been able to help at-least one kid in my entire life to get educated?
  3. Have I been a responsible person in my family?
  4. Do I deserve the love that others are showing towards me?
  5. Have I contributed my piece to the nation?
  6. Has my life been worthy enough?

 

You tell me, should I try and answer any of the above the questions or should I answer this:

 

“Was Alexander Gay?”


By Anantha Shayana. D, CTO/CIO, RAYSITI  02 10 2011 19:12:09 +0000
 
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They too are as normal as the other children and deserve equal love and respect. Criminalizing them just because they are confused about their sexuality and they want to express it is so unfair!!

There are a so many actual criminal activities going on around us. Scams and scandals and murders and rapes and look at us, here we are!! trying to criminalize something just because it is not normal for us. Why do we forget that God is the one who created man, women , gay and lesbians!! when he did not discriminate between them who are we? Why do we think that it will effect family values..Which values are they talking?? Love and acceptance are the biggest values and by asking for such harsh and inhuman thing these peoople themselves aren't showing any "GOOD" family values.


By Aarti Gupta, Legal Consultant  02 09 2011 10:17:48 +0000
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One time counseling is fine just to clear confusion. Some people are confused about their orientation. In such cases, it can be done. But there are cases when the family doesn't accept and forces the person to marry the opposite sex just because of society rules and norms. Such a marriage would go nowhere. That was my whole point. Rather than ruining someone else's life, why not come out clean. And the society shouldn't be segregating them aside thereon.
By Neha Choudhry, Content Writer, Service Magic Info Jobs (for Atoot.com)  | 02 16 2011 05:52:13 +0000
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@Neha. You should read my previous postings! :)

I quote:

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If you are already into it, then "that's ok!" But if you are not into it, then serious advise, counseling and mentoring is necessary for the youth today to not to get into such a "diversion" just for one simple reason- "It’s not normal!".

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We have no right to physically force anybody into anything, but what's wrong with counseling?

How is this helping in the uplifting of the nation, the world or the society?

These issues weren't present/negligible in the world few years before.

Increase in Homosexuality

And people are making trends out of it!

Indian culture (any mature culture for that matter) defines and stands for sex as a "divine act of creation!"

Let me end this nice debate by adding these words from the core of my heart- with an honest compassion expressed towards the violence against African gay community, the many killings happening in many parts of the world,

The world is in great confusion today! And many souls are led astray. If there is way of guiding them without forcing them, then it becomes "our" responsibility to do so- NOW!

Before ending, a note on health issues of practicing homosexuality:

“By transmission category, men who have sex with men continued to account for the largest number of [HIV] diagnoses overall between 2001 and 2004, comprising 44 percent of the total caseload and 61 percent of male infections, according to the report, which tracked trends in HIV/AIDS diagnoses in 33 states.


“Of the 157,252 persons diagnosed with the virus in that period, 112,106 were men and 45,146 were women. More than 68,400 men acknowledged having had sex with other men.

“For the first time ever, this national total includes data from New York State, thus providing a more representative picture of the U.S. epidemic, according to the report. It pointed out that New York’s HIV cases account for over 20 percent of all new diagnoses reported during 2001 to 2004.”

“The CDC report recommends greater HIV/AIDS-prevention efforts focusing on blacks and on homosexual and bisexual men. It concludes that the inclusion of the New York data greatly strengthens the analysis of the magnitude and direction of trends in HIV diagnoses in the country today."

Sources: CDC’s National Center for HIV, The Washington Times

Again, Thanks for the compassion- that's genuine.


By Anantha Shayana. D, CTO/CIO, RAYSITI  | 02 15 2011 20:16:54 +0000
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@Neha, "Homo" is not by birth! It's by choice!

And a homosexual is different from a hermaphrodite or Hijra.

Definition of Homosexuality:

"Homosexuality is romantic and/or sexual attraction or behavior among members of the same sex or gender. As a sexual orientation, homosexuality refers to "an enduring pattern of or disposition to experience sexual, affectionate, or romantic attractions" primarily or exclusively to people of the same sex; "it also refers to an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions, behaviors expressing them, and membership in a community of others who share them....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

 

Definition of a Hijra:

In the culture of South Asia, hijras (Hindi: हिजड़ा, Urdu: ہِجڑا, Bengali: হিজড়া, Telugu: హిజ్ర) or khusra in Punjabi and kojja in Telugu are physiological males who adopt feminine gender identity, women's clothing and other feminine gender roles.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hijra

I understand (or do I?!) that the concerns you have earnestly expressed here are for the latter community and let me tell you that I am with you in that- We have no right to deny the rights of those who are born different!

But if someone chooses to indulge in an act of satisfying his sexual libido in a disoriented way, it's questionable isn't it?

Thanks for replying! :)


By Anantha Shayana. D, CTO/CIO, RAYSITI  | 02 15 2011 19:36:59 +0000
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@Neha, It's all good until nobody's affected! And we in India feel it's not my cup of tea- so why should I bother!

But let me share this- the world is our home and there is no natural border that separates it from us!

Let us be honest- How many of us would want to see our own brother/sister our son,/ daughter, our lover turn into a homosexual?

Let's face it! Please comment!


By Anantha Shayana. D, CTO/CIO, RAYSITI  | 02 15 2011 18:59:12 +0000
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It is most unfortunate that God has created them like that! That may be a general feeling. If you study Karma Theory you will find answer for the birth of such neutral genders. It is due to the bad and worst deeds they might have done in the previous births. We pray God for every thing we want. So we utter " O God you are merciful". True He has mercy for His children. If such God has created these type of persons it is certainly due to the past history of their previous births, which we do not know. For that matter no one knows except God. You know the Brain in every living being is the God's computer by opening it One can read the entire history of individuals past number of births and deaths and the deeds and the punishments or rewards of God. But who can do it. The Master key of brain is with God. The only solution that one can suggest is to pray God. Silent prayer always pleases Him. Pray to Him silently always and every second. So that in the next birth one can avoid the miseries of the present life. It applies to one and all.
By Prof V Narayana Swamy, Chef De Partis, V N Swamy Associates  | 02 11 2011 14:28:58 +0000
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ThanQ Ananth for sharing the vital information. I feel that there are many things in NATURE beyond our perception. Let us appreciate and admire LORD's ability to create . Let us accept without a murmur. That is it.


By Dr.G.S.Rama Rao, Freelancer  | 02 11 2011 02:42:43 +0000
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Why are we making a trend out of every “deviation”, “diversion”, “addiction” we get into? People have tried to prove to me that Jesus Christ was Gay which is totally unacceptable! I am a Hindu by birth, but everyone in the world knows why Jesus Christ is revered even today as a GOD for the largest population on earth! What matters about the life of Christ is what it teaches us- how to live! I have got nothing to do with the sexual orientation of him!

 

Again, why make a trend out of it? Why make news about it? Why support it?

 

You wouldn’t support your kid becoming a chain smoker, or a drunkard, or a person involved in illicit/ unprotected relationships! This is just the same- Stop them from “diverting” into “unnatural stuff” and train them to focus on constructive, progressive, positive things in life, not to mention uncomplicated and normal!

 In the Indian society, copulation between a Male and a Female was considered a divine act and was done only for the reason of having a graceful kid! But today, it's only a matter of satisfying one's animal instincts. And now, with homosexuality, it gets even better!

With all due respect to the homosexual community, I want to add that I have co-directed a movie on Gay rights which competed for Sony pix awards! It’s not wrong to think differently. But it hinders your own progress if you get obsessed toward certain addictions! And this applies not only to homosexuals, but to heterosexuals as well.

Children today are to be educated about the “urges” they feel in their youth, and it becomes the sole responsibility of the parents to talk to their kids, educate them and counsel them and get them focused about their lives!

Yes, it’s sometimes embarrassing and difficult. But parents, if you don’t, then who will?

 I would say no to “criminalizing” the kids, but serious counseling is needed!

 

Thanks for the invite @Aarti! And again, please comment!


By Anantha Shayana. D, CTO/CIO, RAYSITI  | 02 10 2011 19:15:17 +0000
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And even if the govt. and all the people of the world support homosexuality and grant them special reservations/ rights and consider them normal (with some special rights, that is), is it going to make a huge difference in the uplifting of the human race?

It is again going to be the same old story, but with a twist:

Guy breaking up with a guy!

Headlines in one of the newspapers would read:

“Girl sues her partner girlfriend after allegedly seeing her sharing intimate moments with another girl!"

"Lovers commit suicide due to parents' "NO!" Both the guys hanged themselves to the same ceiling fan!

Father says: "I had no idea! I thought they were just friends! You know, the usual friends"

And especially Indian parents will go:

"Dad: Where are you going son?

Son: Out with my friends, to watch a movie.

Dad: Your Boy friends? Why don't you take your little sister along? She loves movies too! And moreover, people will feel that everything's normal between you and David!"


By Anantha Shayana. D, CTO/CIO, RAYSITI  | 02 10 2011 19:08:31 +0000
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In my personal opinion, I would like to use the word "deviation" or "diversion" here. Homosexuality is a kind of a diversion one may feel and tread from the natural order of things, if I may say. Its just like the different fantasies or likes one has in his/her love life! It's different for different people and it's normal.

But one sentence to make my firm stand:

Is legalizing/ supporting such "diversions" going to make a huge difference in the uplifting of the human race? I think not.

If you are already into it, then "that's ok!" But if you are not into it, then serious advise, counseling and mentoring is necessary for the youth today to not to get into such a "diversion" just for one simple reason- "It’s not normal!".

And I am not trying to snatch away anybody's freedom here.

To prove that, let me generalize the concept to even normal boy-girl relationships- heterosexuality. Here it is:

Being sexually attracted to the people of the opposite sex is a biological phenomenon and quite natural. But if that "want" to "share the bed" becomes the only thought for which one is living his/ her life or is simply complicating his/ her own life, then it becomes a problem!

We are living in an ever-increasingly-progressive-competitive-unforgiving-world. Be it homosexuality or hetero, thinking only about satisfying the sexual libido of a person is not good for:

  1. The person him/herself
  2. The society he/ she lives in
  3. Not at all good for their children!

The consequences are imminent:

  1. Hated/ confused social life
  2. Abnormal relationships
  3. No-one to call for aid if something goes wrong in the relationship (which is mainly "sex" driven- and these are many a times a violent ending!)
  4. Identity crisis for the individual

By Anantha Shayana. D, CTO/CIO, RAYSITI  | 02 10 2011 19:02:46 +0000
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Fully agree with Aarti. Family ties should be maintained above all such considerations and the children should evolve into responsible citizens of this great country. Through love and care these children are able to accept their preferences or disposition and face the world.


By Capt. V.S. Kartik, CEO/MD  | 03 05 2011 05:41:22 +0000
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I fully agree with Aarti. To castigate a child simply due to a percieved 'social abnormality' is totally wrong. Everyone has the right to their preferences. Family values and family ties must be maintained unhindered by these considerations. Only then will these children develop into upright adults and support this nation's growth.


By Capt. V.S. Kartik, CEO/MD  | 03 05 2011 05:38:51 +0000
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Reports and data aside, if someone is attracted to the same sex the way a straight person is attracted to the opposite, i still would say it isn't a blot on family values or culture for that matter.
By Neha Choudhry, Content Writer, Service Magic Info Jobs (for Atoot.com)  | 02 16 2011 05:48:35 +0000
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Anantha...

I definitely know the difference.

Homosexuality as per your definition only as a sexual orientation, homosexuality refers to "an enduring pattern of or disposition to experience sexual, affectional, or romantic attractions" primarily or exclusively to people of the same sex; "it also refers to an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions, behaviors expressing them, and membership in a community of others who share them...

 

Orientation is a choice.. and choice is one's right. If someone is attracted to the same sex, you tell me, how is it a problem?

Would it be fair for a homosexual person to be forced to live a straight life?


By Neha Choudhry, Content Writer, Service Magic Info Jobs (for Atoot.com)  | 02 15 2011 19:44:36 +0000
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@Anantha

Turning homosexual?!!

Its natural... its by birth..!!

Just because majority is straight doesn't mean the ones in minority are wrong or are doing some crime..

If someone is a homosexual and just bcoz of society has to hide it and live a straight life, i think it not only would be a disastrous experience for him/her but also for the partner he ends up being with just coz of society.

 

If someone is a homo by birth, how can they help it!

 


By Neha Choudhry, Content Writer, Service Magic Info Jobs (for Atoot.com)  | 02 15 2011 19:05:13 +0000
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a) what is this term- Gay children? do you refer anyone as a Straight child? I don't think so. Then why such segregations?


b) No. Just because a person has a different sexual orientation, its his personal choice. No one has a say in that nor is anyone affected.


By Neha Choudhry, Content Writer, Service Magic Info Jobs (for Atoot.com)  | 02 15 2011 18:47:29 +0000
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I don't think so as they only have same sex liking & their other activities are normal.
By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 02 14 2011 06:55:07 +0000
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Mr.anantha, thanks for inviting on this debate, i don't have much to comment on this debate, but i agree with the comments made by Aarti Gupta


By karthikrathnam , Branch manager,  | 02 11 2011 07:51:00 +0000
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You are right? What right we mortals have on such people, who are the children of the same God we pray and portray, to keep them at bay!
By S. Muralidharan, Executive Director, Knowledge Foundation & Campus Around the Corner  | 02 09 2011 12:10:45 +0000
 
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