Do u think USA would be trust-worthy ally for India like USSR?

Dear William Sir. Iam sorry if you are hurt by tenor of the statements of me and my colleagues especially on this side of the debate. However do permit me to hold steadfast to the views expressed in this debate by and large.

I feel the problem lies in Americans not putting themselves in the other persons shoes before arriving at a policy decision. The same goes the other wy round too (Yes! earth is a globe). The mutual distrust comes precisely because we do not undertad ech others mindset. Hence my earlier mention of culture in one of my posts.

Even your statement 'I can tell you the ONLY political goal we have with India is formulating a peaceful and effective business pracrealtionship', laudable as it is, could be considered politically incorrect and reproachable by a significant sections of people in Asia. You said it point blank what many of us have been hinting at in earlier posts - International relations is largely based on the financial button. There is no space for emotions and indulgence. 

Yes the international relationship of today is related to business interests. However the larger population in the Eastern sphere do  not cater to this truth. Yes what you say is the truth and I stand by your view on this.  Yet again I am also aware,  it is not definite for the dawn has a penchant for rendering the truth before dusk a mistake. No truth stands the test of time.   For there is no eternal truth except the ONE. Again the preceding statement is not absolute for many do not accept it as one..  

It is the communications skewness between the two civilizations (And I do not mean America and Islam rather the Western way of life and eastern ways ) has to be straightened before mankind will see a relatively peaceful time.

I do unterstand your pain when you write 'The only thing we ask is space to bury our dead when we are defending you from forces you are incapable or unwilling to face on your own'. I presume that a significant amount of population in the States must be holding steadfast to this view. I share their pain but not their reasoning.

Do understand that it is a legacy of the cold war, and by and large the forces that create this turmoil today were the creation of the United States. However I stand not to judge the decisions of the past for it is the easiest road trod by lesser men.  We have to look forward to a brand new word, and hope we are up to it. As of today, we have to bear the brunt of decisions of the past to phase out of this present into a bright future. And I do salute The USA for its leading role in today's international leadership.

I am sure sir, that all of us at toostep particulary those who are following this debate are looking forward to your response and further posts on the topic. Thanks for your participation in this debate. It gives me a opportunity for a peep into the mind of the other side. And I am reminded all said and done, we are all but humans not monsters.

Well Shameena, I do agree that USA has been very cut throat in its use of its Allies for its own benefit. Again I repeat Countries have only their interests in mind. But Yes! Much of the mess that we see around in the political hemisphere around the globe has been initiated by the USA during the Cold War. Now they have taken a diametrically view on their allies after the collapse of the Communist bloc.

Vinoy I ditto your views on the subject.

Dear Friends In debate, allow me to pose a simple question:.......Why should it matter? Worthy or not can at best, reflect in response.

In simple terms a nation the size of India need not be dependent or bothered beyond a point as to what policy the other nation wishes to adopt. The factor of any dependence ought not exist in foreign policy as the interest of every nation to its own people are prime.

So a foreign policy at minimum should not be concerned on what policy other nation wants to adopt and pay back iun same terms. If humans can be selfish why not nations.

Thanks for refer Vinoy.

Being an American, Mr. William might have something to say, but the things are otherwise.

US  weigh the things, looking from its own angle. It failed to realise the real face of Pakistan despite our repeated appealing and extended all sorts of support to Pakistan till the occurrence of 9/11. It wanted to contain India's progression in this region.

 Its a naked truth that India-Pakistan relations are strained, naturally Pakistan may look at China for help if US declines to extend help. For many reasons US wanted to keep Pakistan on its side and kept ofcourse. In the recent past the scenario is changing after the killing of Osama on Pakistan's territory.

As expected, Pakistan moved towards China and US has no other option except to extend its helping hand for India having its own agenda on its mind.

We need not believe that this new relationship lasts long. This relationship is issue based. Let us take the opportunity to contain Pakistan and China as well. I believe it would be the wise move for us at this moment.

America is helping Pakistan by way of Funds and arming them in the name of fighting the terrorists in Afghanistan. They are also helping other nations who are against India. Their goal is to weaken India by waging small wars by different groups asking for seperate States and a Big THANKS to our POLITICIANS who help them in achiveing their goals by creating enmity between different castes and religions.

I think India should go along with Russia who are any day better than America, but keep our eyes open as well...

On paper, India seems a natural U.S. ally. The world's two largest democracies were on frosty terms during the Cold War, and India relied for most of its military firepower on Soviet imports. But with times changing, particularly after the 9/11 attacks highlighted common security interests, the leaders of the two nations declared in July 2005 that they were warming their ties into a strategic partnership and have even signed the nuclear deal.  But where Pakistan goes, the attitude of the US is one of hypocrisy. With increasing military aid from US, Pakistan has many a time only used the aid against India and the USA has remained a silent spectator.Thus India being an ally with USA is only on paper.

how?by funding pakistan?which doesnt find any better use for that funds than developing weapons to fight against india? simple reason pakis dont want USA support.it has China as its ally.just to escape from an attack from USA.

how can we think US as a trust-worthy alliance?it is indirectly sponsoring pakis. our stupid politicians doesn't know what our country really wants!

USA can never be a trustworthy partner. After decades of fighting by som many American president.. finally Obama managed to get Healthcare bill passed somehow... this shows that Americans are not ready to share a fraction of their wealth for the fellow Americans. So how on earth one can trust such people. But, yes they can be very good Business Partners ... just follow the American way of Partnership.. which means "Use & Throw". I think we can learn from Pakistan how to partner with USA...after all Pak has long experience dealing with Uncle Sam.

I completely agree to kiran's argument. It is absolutely necessary to be cautious while dealing with US. They sign all the deals with India to establish good relations with India. Meanwhile, they sell all dangerous weapons available with them to Pakistan, increasing pressure on India to spend more for defending herself from Pakistan. This is evident from the sky-rocketing expenditure on defence during the years passed by. So what is the Indo-US relation worth for?

Be it USA or any other country,India cannot blindy trust anybody.When a person is progressing, his allies will surely increase(also enemies). The recent closeness of US to India merely follows this natural law. Even our friendship with erstwhile USSR was because of the cold war. But any friendship b/w nations must be based on mutual interests.The moment a nation looses its foothold, other's sure to devour it. One cannot just sit and depend on goodwill when the lives and interests of billions are at stake. That is why diplomacy is so critical for India's well-being. It has always been our weakness that our diplomacy is primarily directed either by awe (in case of USA or erstwhile USSR) or by pity (in case of bangladesh or nepal) when it should be driven by self-interest. We even went on to amend our constitutional emblem to please USSR. Such things only show sychophancy and weakness.
There is no harm in being close to US if its on equal terms and you are not going to turn your weapons factory into a toy shop for maintaing brotherhood!!!!

they cannot be the trust worthy friend since they are opportunist. they need India for their Goal hence they act. But in diplomacy game I think we should also behave the same with them and try to utilize their power to become stronger than them.

It is always not. Always US will have different priorities. Their priority is to protect their country people and companies in turn their country. US is more concerned about these things. Therefore, naturally US cannot become a trust worthy friend to not only India but also to any other country.

Our relationship with the USA should not be considered at par with RUSSIA. USA's interests are for short-term gains only, as they have elected government for four years.  They spend their initial two years in extending their arms for friendship, but only to prevail over them in the remaining two years.  We have two glaring examples, (one) Headly case - double speak (two) destabilising India's presence in Afghanistan, joining hands with Pakistan. 

It is too early to predict their nature of cooperation in the long-run, as they are focussing on economic recovery activity.  Obviously, their interests in South and West Asia are to be carefully monitored, and the Indian Government should not succumb to the USA pressure, under any cost.

have you ever heard about the story " camel entering a tent " its the same story with india. USA can ever be trusted any cost cos they dont have professionalism first . they are literal blood suckers ... if we look back What USA has done to us .... economically they have build up india by some statistical value but technologically when we speak or when we speak as nationalistic person rather than political person .. Russia is the one who were with us right from the begiining ..Russophobia a familiar term in history .. the english were afraid of that ... all the warfares what we are having are mostly by indo russian partnership .. sukhois to tanks ... migs etc and ISRO relationship with russian space centres .. i feel Russia would be the right partner for us .. all the steel plants about 60 % were installed by russians ..when you look closely .. they ude thier military power to take things especially in Iran and Iraq .. to acquire their oil fields ... US is like a chicken piece stuck in between the teeth .. if we have relastions with them .. we cant have a gud sleep 

YES, U.S is not a trust-worthy ally. U.S relationship with India is basically to counter the growing power of China in the world economy. Over the decades, China has built a strong military and now it is 3rd largest army in the world. So, to counter that power, they are making friendships in the region and this also the main reason for signing the civilian nuclear deal with us. Apart from that, it was americans who were responsible for these LeT and Al-Queida terriost groups. In 1990s, US along with the support of ISI of pakistan trained number of people to counter the then USSR. They have provided military and money support to them. USSR has been a trustworthy ally to India and has been supporting us from decades. U.S can change at any point of time, if they sense that there is no gain to them. So, Indians have to be cautious with U.S.

There is a fundamental difference in aproach of USA and Russia.

USA - Capitalism means only interest no trust. Till the time interest is there, trust will be there. Values changes with time and P&L.

Russia - Strict to values, relations, long term objectives, trust also. After split of USSR, Russia is still maintaining the relations with all those countries who were with them before split .... though some joing NATO after split.

India also maintained the relationship with Russia in those bad days, where we could clear our all debts when 200 Rubel was equivalent to 1 Rs immediately after split.

Similar wavelength easy to synchronize, Russia is always a well wisher for us, history says ... (I m not), and will be forever.

USA cano not considerd as trust worthy alliance,loyality and sincerity is negligible in their stand,take a case in case any person caught in India who committed a terrorist activity in USA,WHAT WOULD WOULD HAVE BEEN AMERICANS REACTION ?.If they sincere they should help world community to to trace the culprits like some in their custody now.Finally i am sure their have two sided buisiness hidden agenda with Pakistan and China ,so they should never be a close alliance like USSR. ALSO I STRESS NOT ALLOW ANY US EDUCATION INSTITUTE IN INDIA.

JO

USA can not be a trusted ally since, they have a agenda of making the World in militarily and economically under there control, so as a super power they use them as military power to control the world as they want by manipulating the system of global governance with the war against terrorist and use the money and power of control to make terrorist and then use the power of military to destroy the creation of their terrorist. And they use the 1 dollar concept to buy 1000 dollar worth of economy so that when the economy of 1 dollar cannot handle itself with the real true money and asset value they have, to control the economy of global world with the control of they economy policy with the global super power there will be economic crisis which will lead to true production of ethical business with true global economy with correct monitoring bodies with regional and countries as on the view point of global economy which will open the true ethical luxury truth of economy.