Do we need a god father for survival at workplace??

I've seen this a bit late but I'd like to add my two bits too! I agree with you Mr Chandnani. One needs to have admirers - the more, the merrier. No one can stand alone in this world. A support structure is required. If the "bad" guys have a support structure, well the "good" guys need a support structure too. The "good" guys need to preempt the "bad" guys and "run interference" so that the "bad" guys don't succeed in subverting the system and/or getting rid of some of the "good" guys.

It so happens that whatever kind of person one is, one can find a support structure to rely on - whether one relies on positive qualities or negative. 

God Father isn’t necessary to climb a ladder.  But a true admirer is. Talent is what matters to reach at different & difficult heights of career.

There is no such doubt that there is no such kind of ethics if official politics is going around. And one has to make sure one is performing his/her responsibilities. And his/her boss has no chance to promote any PUPPET. In every stage of life or career one needs a true admirer be it in a form of employer or employee or colleague or your old college teacher. And if your admirer knows your worth, than he/she will never suggest you any wrong. If your boss does not promote you than he/she is answerable to your peers.

And when you reach at top & work as a Boss. Imbibe good qualities in your colleagues as a GOOD FATHER rather than GOD FATHER.

Dear Dhingra Sir,

I take your valuable advice as a vote of appreciation and keep the same in my grey mtter and will use it whenever I get a chance to do so.

Thanks with Regards

Very truly

Er.Harminder Singh Gumbhir

(Aadab Ckt. Boy)

Lucknow

Dear Harminder,

My post was neither to dishearten you, nor your query could cause any inconvenience to me. In fact your queries were quite important, but such important  issues get its importance lost if not raised independently. That is why I preferred to advise you to post such issues separately.

Dear Dhingra Sir,

I agree with you,but these words like unemployment, brain drain were raised by few guys who are also participating in the debate,so in order to clear my doubts I raised queries for the same.Sorry for Inconvenience to you

Thanks With regards

Very truly

Harminder Singh Gumbhir

(Aadab Circle Boy)

Lucknow

Dear Harminder,

Your previous issue of acceptance of gifts by employees and the present issue of unemployment and brain drain are quite dissimilar in nature. Even your previous question also did not match the actual discussion on employees having godfather. You could have raised these issues in separate and independent thread.

However, in reply to your question, I may mention, unemployment and brain drain are also two different issues. Unemployment happens normally due to influx or over-exceeding population as compared to availability of resources, and lack of appropriate and desired education level in the incumbents for services. Brain drain, on the other hand, cannot be completely attributed to the unemployment. It may or may not be for the reason of unemployment. Brain drain is mostly the cause of lesser remuneration of services, particularly in the developing or underdeveloped countries, and also for the lack of opportunities necessary for career development of a person.  Most of the brain drain is on account of people migrating to developed countries for the reason to develop their own and their family members' careers, and not for the reason of unemployment.

Unemployment is not the problem of India only, which is still a developing country. Unemployment persists even in the most developed countries, like USA, UK and European counties. For example, if you see the comparison of unemployment rate in the countries of the world, you can find where India's unemployment rate is10.7%, position of USA and UK is also not much favorable. USA and UK show unemployment rate of 9.6% and 7.8% respectively, where even brainy people have migrated from India and other countries, as a matter of brain drain. Position of France is also not better than India, as that shows 10% rate of employment there, which is equal to India's unemployment. Unemployment in Spain (European country) is 20.05% (double than that of India). Further, Unemployment in American Samoa, a country of USA, is 29.8%.

The worst scenario of unemployment is with Liberia, where unemployment rate is 95.0%.

For comparison sake between rest of the countries, you can refer to the Table at the following Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate

Dear Dhingra Sir,

Thanks for your valuable  piece of writing and sharing your valuable Experiencene.

All your  valuble wirting has removed the congestion from my grey matter therby making everything  crstal clear.

Thanks & Regards

Very truly

Harminder Singh Gumbhir

(Aadab Circle Boy)

Lucknow

Dear Harminder,

If you are an employee of any organization, acceptance of gifts or gratification in cash or kind from any one is prohibited for discharging your duties responsibilities under the provisions of conduct and discipline rules of the concerned organization, as you are duly being paid for your services by your employer.

Even otherwise also, an employee should not ethically and morally accept any gift or gratification for his services, as that leads to corruption also. Moreover, you have to render your services as a duty bound.

No.. All we have our God in our body... Our attitude, our energy, our thinking, our perceptions, passion everything is God for work..

If you have GOD by your side, I don't think you need a godfather. Believe in him and do you work, recognition and growth will come to you.

The ground reality effects are for all to witness, exemplified through low performance in governance in India the nursery of false egoists and sychophants.

Where many middle managers feel helpless failing to discipline juniors who have direct connect with senior most, constantly breeding indiscipline while the goal and process suffers.

Thanks for refer, Manoj.

And Dear Darshana,

It is much wiser to be deprived of chances than support such mockery of work culture because work and self respect ought be treated much more importantly.

Dear Folks!!!

 I do not agree with D above view point, as there are several people who rose to great heights in their career and this happened due to there firm determination, fire in their belly ,passion to excel and of course their hardworks. Taking the Exempli gratia of tinsel town girl Bipasha basu ,she never had any mentor in her life but she is still grabbing so many advertisement and flicks due to her hard work and passion. She is heartthrob of many movie goers.

 Moreover the above type of guys very well know the in and out of their biz. as they have developed the skills for the same during the course of building their careers.

It also remind me of famous saying "Honhaar Birwan Ke hote Chikne paat."

Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai

So,while looking at the above view point I think I made it clear that we do not need a Godfather for survival at workplace.

 Very truly

 Harminder Singh Gumbhir

(Aadab Circle Boy)

 Lucknow

Dear Shyam,

About your comments that I misunderstood you, just see where your previous argument is placed? According to the position of your argument, there is no question of misunderstanding, unless you retract from that position.

If you place your argument in the "YES" (i.e., in support) column in favor of the original thread, nobody can understand you correctly that personally you do not seek such godfathers.

Dear Rathin,

If that situation can be in Europe, USA or Australia, why that cannot be created in India by our collective efforts and why we should feel compelled to follow the legacy of the corrupt godfathers and the corrupt lovers of such godfathers, who infect the society, as a whole in India.

You must agree that corruption is spread only on account of supporters of godfather legacy and the unethical and corrupt practices of godfathers.

If we also start following the godfather lovers, we can also be made accountable for spreading corruption in India.

Dear Shyam,

My brief answer to your argument: "YOU NEED A GODFATHER, SO THAT THEY MAY BECOME MORE CORRUPT AND ALSO ADD MORE CORRUPTION IN INDIA, AS A WHOLE."

Further, you have contradicted your own argument by your reply to Rahul, when you have already experienced, yourself and through your father, the taste of unethical and corrupt practices of such corrupt godfathers and the godfather lovers.

For your information, I also had several occasions to experience the unethical practices of such corrupt officials during my service period, but I had always been ready with my befitting counteraction in accordance with the set provisions of rules and regulations aided with my own competence and had dared to challenge even my very seniors in position, where they ere compelled to retract from their nefarious activities.

Rahul,  I am the last person to butter anybody.

I am speaking about those who do. Such persons indeed rise in corporate ladder.

Look at the Congress party, one can rise only by buttering the "ala kaman".

I am speaking not only from my experience but from 70+ years experience of my father's life who is a retired GM in a PSU sized more than 7000 employees.

I have seen his career too, how the sycophants and flatterers ruled supreme and how he was sidelined despite having been one of the best performers.

I see in my workplace too.

Sorry that you thought I am a flatterer, which I am not. I only rely upon God and not any 'god father'.

Dear Manoj,

Thanks for supporting my argument.

The godfather lover people seem to be more in number and probably they prefer to walk on crutches rather than using their own legs to walk to pull on their lives. Probably they don't understand that by walking on their own legs they can not only strengthen their legs but also can enjoy more joyful life in comparison with dragging themselves with their weak and helpless legs of dependence and every time watching helplessly for the charity of their godfathers.

India got independence 63 years ago, but sense of slavery yet persists even among the managers, who are supposed to act as leaders in the work environments. What results we can expect, what their organizations, and what their subordinates can expect from such type of leaders?

NATURALLY, THE ONLY LESSONS OF SLAVERY FROM SUCH TYPE OF SLAVE LEADERS, RATHER THAN A DIGNIFIED WORK ENVIRONMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!

From the type of arguments in favor of the topic, I can safely conclude about the reason behind the hundreds of years of slavery of India. Only the godfather lovers and lack of self confidence in them.

Shyam , It is always better to be poor than slave,Money never will give you that respect which you can get by being honest performer rather than buttering around boss

I 100 % agree with you sir. New Generation should learn from your old generation thoughts

Exactly sir, You summarised the whole truth in your arguement....I feel no more explanations are required to support this side.. "WE ARE NOT GOOD ATTITUDE" is still prevailant within Indians as we had seen recently in the run up of CWG games....No Indian media were bold enough to report a positive side of its preparations....This doesn't mean that I am supporting the corrupt polititians......(You all can see the question I posted)......But where are all those ones who barked on prime time news that bridge collapsed, toilet filthy....including ABC and other foriegn broadcasters.......

Thank you PS sir participating in the right way...... 

Mr. Battarcharyyaji,

It's good that you contributed a bit in both the sectors. Not merely you, many have worked in many an industries. It is not bookish. It's wisdom that commands your decision. Every body has a Professional hazards, that need not be a predicament for your working.  You have seen it in the recent past with Doctors. The hazards that were forced to gulf it out. You know the IAS officers working condition with the degree of professional hazards. Just because of professional hazard you need not recourse to God father. Moreover, we are ,obviously, discussing the necessity. If you create, it grows in higher degree & your living will be at their mercy.

I think those who are supporting this side are confident in their own skills and others are badly in need of others help to survive in their jobs...Dear PS, you given a good insight....Thanks

No, If u are confident sincere and fully skilled in your profession then there is no need of any father or god father for your own development.

NO ,NOT AT ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CONFIDENT ABOUT THEIR OWN WORK NEED A GOD FATHER . IF YOU ARE CONFIDENT ABOUT YOUR WORK YOU DON'T NEED A SHIELD OF ANY ONE I.E.GODFATHER .

DUE TO INEFFICIENCY YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE GET GOOD HIKE IN SALARY THEN THE SAID GOD FATHER IS REQUIRED.PEOPLE WHO NEED GOD FATHER CAN NEVER PERFORM NICELY AND EXCEPT THIS THEY ARE GENERALLY BUSY IN CARING  THEIR GOD FATHER.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE PARACITES FOR THE UNIT IN WHICH THEY ARE WORKING. 

No we dont need a godfather for survival at workplace maybe we need one to get a breakthrough(entry) in workplace when we are starting(say as a fresher) because it is a private sector and references like blessings work wonders here we can take an eg of seimens whoese policy of hiring is 'you refer we prefer'.

But for the survival part you got  to have something in you which can take you a long way it includes everything right from building good working relations with your colleagues,ex-colleagues,seniors to Updating yourself with the latest technology in the market(By learning new languages,doing certifications) i.e keeping pace with the market.It also involves leaving an organization at the right time if there isn't any growth for you in it as Stagnation impedes Success.So to a certain extent I will agree with Mr.Dhingra 

I think it is depend upon how the person come up in his/her professional life?

Some may need them ,some may not.

Instead of Godfather the term "Guide" is more prominent who guides you in

every aspect of your life. & if you have logic & determination & ability to do hard work,then you may not need any God Father/mother.

& at last if you have /faith in 'GOD', then there is no need of Godfather or Godmother.

Thanks for referral Ms. Darshana & Mr. Manoj.

Dear Hemant,

Guru is too respectable a word to be confused with Godfather.

The too are too far apart to be mixed up.

Not at all..if a person is competent enough and if he/she possess required skills and qualification to a particular job..then i don't think that he/she needs any godfather or a hand over him to push him ahead or appreciating him infront of top management..rather if a person has all the skills and qualification he/she himself go ahead and will gain recognition without any godfather..

Manoj thanks for the referral. This is a very touchy topic for me.

You do not need godfathers to survive in any workplace. The people who need godfathers are the ones who cannot elevate themselves so they rely on godfathers to help them climb the ladder. However, there is a backlash to this and that it the ones who rely on godfathers should pray every single day that the god fathers stay in their positions for a long time as long as they are employed in that particular workplace. From the minute the god father loses his power, those employees who were relying on that help have a couple of options get up and get- pull their weight  for survival or see the door before they get kicked out. Also remember, the ones who like to climb high with help.....the higher you climb, the harder will be the fall especially if there is no one there to catch you.

Be careful guys..you do not need godfathers..sometimes it goes with a price.

Not needed if you dont want to climb the hierarchy ladder at a fast pace and get fat increments.  Sure a person doesnt need a godfather if he has the requisite skills.  He will stagnate in the same position and keep doing the donkey's work.

Thanks for the referral Ms Darshana,  Mr Natteraja, Mr Manoj

A Godfather at work place is not a very correct idea according to me.

If a person is not able to help himself no one will be able to help him.

 All organization has politics and their own down points, by identifying one person who will become a godfather and lead a single individual or team will create more political atmosphere, as there might be others who will be contending for the “post” of Godfather.

Quite unfortunate to note the discussions till now!! I find more lame ducks, puppets and slaves of their godfathers than the believers of their own competence and confidence! That clearly shows the tendency of the more number of working class of becoming touts of their bosses, rather than working for efficiency and prosperity of their organizations. That also reveals that these people can go to any extent just to please their bosses at the cost of the organization as well as their fellow workers, as godfathers more often expect their blind followers to work unethically. If not done so at any time, they get blackmailed or even tortured to the extreme level so that they may not find any way out to go against the wishes of their godfathers. They repent only when such things happen to them.

Mr. Shyam,

Your God father concept is different from what I perceived,"

1. the head of a Mafia family or syndicate
2. any person having much influence or authority in some area"

So, at this juncture, God father will tend to influence people either through Authority or through Money. Hardly, you will find them giving you professional guidance . Ofcourse, every instituition or corporate body has a means to guide & train people as required.

Sorry Ms Sawant, my opinion is bit different to you.

Organization that fosters God father culture, clearly, shows that, the System is corrupt & favoritism is much more respected than the true efficiency. WHEN SURVIVAL COMES TO THE FOREFRONT, IT IS ONLY THE FITTEST SURVIVES. So, you need to make yourself fittest in all circumstances. No other quality will help protect you. Godfather, at times but not always, remember. Nurturing a God father culture is a sycophancy to the bosses. No doubt, in to-days world, no company needs this for best performance / to achieve the goal.

Building a House, out of a sand is much easier than one with stone. But, sand house does not last longer. A similar analogy, can be drawn for Company with God Father's culture. Meek & week employee find easier going in company but, net resultant is zero that they will realize later (Individually & Corporate-wise).

What we need to survive is competency in profession, integrity in delivery, amanable to co-workers, tenacious in execution, verocious in updating knowledge & skills. Hope these qualities can fetch much more than a God father.

Thanks for the referral Ms. Darshana, however I would like to differ from your views. Despite the official politics, one must be able to able survive in the working environment with his skills and capabilities. The necessity of godfather/boss support, in my view, is important for the deserving employees to survive at work places and not for the inefficient employees or yes men to the bosses which will not be a healthy trend in any organizations.

There are bosses who may not be capable or a good leader to lead the team require yes men to support their decisions. This type of bosses may be successful for a short-term period and once they are exposed can not continue in the organization. Hence they want employees loyal to them and not to the organizations. Their attitudes are not good and could not bring notable achievements/results to the company.

Kindly note that there are deserving, efficient, and result oriented employees but unable to present themselves in a proper way and who are the employees really need the support of godfather/bosses for the survival in the working environment.     

that means only if u have god father u can climb the career ladder within the organisation. Some people get frastuated due this and leave the organisation and exhibit their potential.

We do not need any god father at work place. However for incompetent people god father is needed.

However to step up the ladder and coverup any mistake or mishandling God father will be very helpful.

I would like to insist on Mr. Adi Godrejs words in an interview.

"There is no employment problem in india, but employability probem" to coverup this u need god father.......... god Mother ??

I totally agree with you PS on this...May be for a small %ge of employees require GOD FATHER....But those who have self belief in their own and for those who loves their job, not the company never really in need of a GOD FATHER to survival.

I feel a GOD FATHER in a company means giving undue advantage or for covering up the mistakes or errors may be...

Thanks for referral