Do you agree with Arundhati Roy‎ : Kashmir not an integral part of India

Simply make her repay the bill for all GOI initiatives since accession to India, before she attempts to tinker with clock. And if she still insists give her a copy of Mauryan empire Map to cease loose talk.

Delusion is SO deep that the Childish baby like Pakis just Imitate as do actual babies. They have even copied the Word HINDU for themselves. because: Paki means PURE, and Sindhu (in Arabic Hindu) IS PURE. so Pakistan is still HINDUStan = PURE land. pakistan is a state of Hindustan BHARATH. Now trying to get out of ONE's OWN skin is but MADNESS that Arundhati is STUPID OF Bitch to support.

It is sad but as any practical Indian living in the reality of the day’s world, I have to accept the reality, - Kashmir is a disputed territory. We better accept that harsh reality.

It is high time we forget the romance of the crown of India, soul of the nation etc. Such words high on decibel and low on evidence will be low on assistance (for India) in an international deliberation over Kashmir.

What we need is level headed thinking clearly presenting our case before the people of Kashmir and the world. We need to put forward to one and all the reason as to why J&K is better off being part of the Indian experiment than the Pakistan one or even the unilateral one.

Why don’t some of my friends train their energies towards this venture? Either way the open debate on the same is vital.

no. but it is a qualified no.

apprehensions of the people of kashmir need to be  discussed in the open. ms roy has done her bit to kick  start the debate .

she has  overdone it. her statement that  kashmir was  never an integral part of india may not stand technical  scrutiny. it will surely not stand an  emotional one.

no. but it a qualified no . there are a lot of issues involved. let us debate each one in the open. let us not invoke patriotism to sidetrack the issues.

crux of the matter is the attitude of the  people . if they do not enjoy being indians  then the issue has to be studied in depth. positioning  armed guards in the national highways at line of sight distances may not be adequate to win over the minds of people.

i do not believe even for a moment that the common man in the street is anti indian. but if the fundamentalists  succeed in misguiguiding the poeple then quite a lot has to be done at the ideological level. and of course in the physical realm like

   -- obviate all chances of complaints of excesses by the army

    -- develop the economy and make the people see the efforts

    -- prevent cross border interventions with a strong hand

   -- discuss deeprooted apprehensions if any with an open mind

     what arundhati roy has done in her flamboyant way is to draw attention to the many sides of the kashmir story. apprehension if any should be discussed in the open. to that extent i am with arundhati roy. i am not with her in her assertion that kashmir was never a part of india.

it is probably time to remeber mahatma gandhi and try to win over hatred with love. at least  it is worth trying .  hatred verses hatred has lost consistently in the past  and the wait for a miracle  may turn out to be a long one.

Dear James

I have been reading your posts on this but you seem to be contradicting yourself, If you were really tolerant of others views, you wouldnt have reacted the way you did to my post. Lets first ensure we practice what we preach !

When we lost to China; Jawaharlalji in Parliament said, Laddakh is a baran land. He lost his control over contry. You said the same for J&K. Tomorrow you may say this for Rajastan and then for Arunachal, Meghalay and Nagaland! Go ahead!

Ya its true; Kashmirnot just an integral part but it's soul of India!

Thanks Scaria. You are right RELIGION should not be brought in to Administration works that a ruler has to perform. This classification of human in to Aryan/Dravididian, Black/white, even plants in to different species, the Periodic table for elements shows the Working of a MIND that is Looking out into the world and trying to make some sense of it. In the above write up other than the Periodic table and Plant classification (for Ayurvedic Purpose) almost all Other classifications are Separating in Nature TO BE AVOIDED as far as Possible. Cohesive LOVE is sublime, Surrender (ISLAM in Arabic, Sharanam in Malayalam sanskrit) & merge in TO IT. Assist the  Immediate when if it so Happens in YOUR possible Proximity. Do not Hypothisize which is mental Gymnastics to loose peace that is ONE's TRUE Nature. Pranams

This Toostep process is tricky. I don't oppose Shri Murthyji but oppose Arrundhati's View point, but where would my statement be printed on which column of the Main Topic? This MATTER is created FROM the SPIRIT, TRUTH that WAS, IS & WILL BE; so the ULTIMATE ANSWER is IN THE SPIRITual. (you are correct, NOT RELIGIOUS rituals). Mind must be PURE (SINDHU, PAKI) to be calm OBJECTIVE. Paki=Sindhu=PURE. So in TRUTH PAKIstan is HINDUstan land of the PURE.. will MUSLIMs and CHRISTIANS accept that they are HINDUS PURE? HINDU not being any RELIGION as BRANDED BY WESTERN White Man's Childish IGNORANCE of THE TRUTH.

My apologies brother Suryanarayan Murthyji, if i have crossed YOUR limit of decency. I did take body parts and biology for REAL examples of how cohesion functions in beings/things, pointing to "any separation ultimately leading to disaggregation of that entity". THIS, any body can observe in day to day living without much mental gymnastics, might require may be a little meditative mind to observe and connect to our own actions. You may email me directly if so ask for my email adddress? if toostep allows such ? I am new to such network conversation. Pranam and Namaste

Dear brother James, is your body's tongue still in the mouth and hand attached at the Shoulder; they were once separate cells even some coming in from a Father. Cohesion is what unites cells into a body.. into Human kind; Mind gymnastics can be played to infinity, do not think of even divorce / separation; it is suicidal, though death separation is inevitable. ONLY Human have distinct choices ever before him 1 Laugh (in cohesion) 2 suicide (in separation from all others) you pick. I am NOT with you or Arundathi for suicide, please be careful with your mental gymnastics (no wonder Ramayan compares mind to monkey even in PURUSHOTHAM RAM)

SHE is ALIVE. BUT SHUT UP SUCH UTTERANCES for HUMANKIND's SAKE. Or human kind will doom unless children get born walking and eating with teeth etc. with no cohesive dependence on anybody else not even mother or father. Human is social in cohesion doomed if all separate out own ways

Dear brother Nilesh Jain.Be fully Cohesive, NO Partiality.Because IF my mother got cancer and i have to spend a lot on her does't mean i KILL her (not even Euthensia) MY LOVE for her still is same; because China and Pakistan are raping mother Kashmir doesn't mean i give her up to the Rapist or give UP on her. If world starts giving up the WORLD would GIVE up sooner than when IT FINALLY should be giving up as it is bound to, that i am going to die doesn't mean i bring death early by SUICIDE?

Thanks Sharad. All right minded people will say a big no. Actually this lady, I think, loose her cool if she is not in news and probably turning to be a little unbalanced mentally.

Dear Nilesh,

Can at best regret at your comment "What did we achieve?" this sentence can be repeated in many other spots much better. Think of a poor hungry co citizen: What did a hungry citizen of India achieve by being born in this country?  What would your answer be.

Here the question is not of achievements as person it is together as "nation" that is providing us with an identity and whatever else we have and are.

A majority elected a leader and somehow if this leadership failed us in taking correct and timely decisions, it simply means we made a wrong choice not that we go on to disown the entire process. It at best remains past with at best missed opportunities.

Let us talk in present tense and see if we can bring sense to self seekers to course-correct. Hope you agree.

Dear James,

Thanks for response.

Coming to believe only on the history from post British period the ruler of Kashmir Maharaja Hari Singh signed accession to India and his son Dr Karan Singh says the same thing even today. In many a peoples view it is giving special status to Kashmir which was a historical blunder. But for this status India could deal with the problem much earlier and better. The big question is what basis is Arundhati using to make such a statement. Is it simply to remain in limelight or based on some logic is what matters.

Living in India and supporting unknown agenda is not human service.

What human rights service would she have in mind for the families of brave soldiers who fought for a national cause from 1948 to date? or millions of of Kashmiri Pandits who got uprooted from their ancestral abodes? or millions of unrelated victims who lost their lives?

Dear James

It is actually indians like you are a blot on the countrries charachter. While condoning my statement you seem to be appreciating Arundhati's which at best could incite riots, encourage sectarianism and break the countries unity. Are you ok with all that ? It is better to shoot a criminal, a rumour monger, a egoistic person etc. than sit and make goody statements about them in the name of democracy.

People like you take democracy for granted and forget the great sacrifices that our ancestors have made. Not your statement "My india...". That itself exposes the egoistic in you. It is not your india but everyone's. In fact i love india more than anyone else and that is the sole reason why i could not bear Arundhati's statement. Like i said earlier there is nothing wrong in shooting or putting behind bars people who break the very plate they eat from. My example of MF Hussains was the most apt one. After living of the land for 90 good years, he runs away and insults our great country in a foreign land. That itself shows the culture of these people. Freedom of speech doesnt mean you can say anything that would incite violence and break the social fabric of the country.

Please stop supporting such scrooges.

As an ordinary citizen , she told it. It is what she has mentioned in the interview. Otherwise , nothing serious is to be taken. There are so many says so many a thing in India, but we do not take it seriously. Let it be like that. This is the reason why, she is not accepted as a Mediator in Maoist problem. She is, I think more a literariness, than an astute politician.

Hardships faced by people of a particular state should be highlighted to solve their problems and not to aggravate the situation.

Who the hell ios Arundhati Roy to say that ? Just because she won a booker prize doesnt give her the license to state such erroneous facts. She should put that brain of hers to good use before making such a public comment. Does she realise that tomorrow each state can ask for independence ??

Like i said in one of my earlier blogs, we are overdoing this freedom part a little too much. Anyone who claims she was exercising her freedom of speech should be shot alongwith Arundhati.

I think its high time we clamp down on such people. I am in total agreement with Arun Jaitely that it is high time we had a law arresting people for making seditious statements. Dont get me wrong, i am not a BJP sympathiser but what facts and figures does Arundhati have to back-up such a comment other than the fact that she is a celebrity ?

Earlier it was MF Hussain who denounced such a free country like ours and went and settled in Qatar where you cant even move around without a residency permit at all times and now it is Arundhati ! Can someone suggest her to join that old and senile man who settled down in Qatar. they would make a good pair.

To be known as a activist, is now a new trend of fashion. Any activist to be regarded by common people, who is arguing for the benefits of common people. Ms Arundhuti Roy got prestigious award on her book but it does not mean, what ever she things are to be given any value to it.

Thanks Sharad for live subject debate....really important to know the views of people....here we can say like Arundhati because we are free to voice and noise.... if same thing happen in China.... Arundhati would be no more... come to a discussion.... if we go to history no solution could be found..... but at the time of invasion by Pak force in 1948 ..... Kashmir asked for help based on joining the indian constitution as an integral part of India .... this is only recorded truth... and all Indians should respect this treaty..... Who is Arundhati??? ....  NATION is at FIRST PLACE always

Thanks to all for participating in this debate, and special thanks to Mr.Ravindra, because i am fully agree with his view...

Dear James,

It depends one wants to read short time history or the known history. So far as known history is concerned not to talk of Avantipura, even during Ashoka and Harshvardhan rule India was not fragmented and Shrinagari finds references.

Couple of links for you to read:

http://www.kashmir-information.com/chronology.html

http://www.indiainfoweb.com/jammu-kashmir/excavations/avantipur.html

happy reading.....

Of course Arundhati can also read a bit of history if she wants to learn facts. Thanks Sharad.

Absolutely No...who is she to comment... It has become a fashion to the activists to create an issue to ensure that they are in the news... Let her go to Afghanistan and denounce the talibans...Democracy being misused !!!!

A big NO. Under British rule, the entire sub- continent was India. Even for a commoner like me, British gave freedom to the rulers of princely states to decide to whom they should accede to and not asked the rulers to conduct either a plebiscite or go by dominance of any community or religion.

The ruler of Jammu and Kashmir has acceded to India. India should have made Pakistan to vecate entire occupied J&K but instead agreed for ceasefire to stop the bloodshed.

Pakistan has been at the center of the problem all these years and for so much loss of life and suffering for people in that state.

To day there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. In J&K, there are a significant number of Hindus including Kashmir i pundits. Then on what basis, Pakistan can claim J&k. If one goes by historical reasoning and pluralism of Indian society, Pakistan should vacate occupied J&K and make China to hand over what has been gifted to it by Pakistan and concentrate on making it's people within it's territory be prosperous and be happy. 

Common people in India have been praying for some out of box thinking by leaders on both sides to resolve the issue and bring  peace not only to J&K but also to rest of India

Arundhathi Roy saying is like some one saying India was responsible for conflict with China in 1962. Roy should be visiting every street corner in Pakistan and tell them that very soon border less Nations will be emerging and hatred in one's being will only hurt one's own well being/.

It looks as if Arundhati Roy doesn't have any knowledge of Indian history. She must read Indian history first and then she should make any comments. More over, who is she to make these comments?

As per the encyclopedic entry, According to the Mahabharata, the Kambojas ruled Kashmir during the epic period with a Republican system of government. In the first half of the first millennium, the Kashmir region became an important center of Hinduism and later of Buddhism; later still, in the ninth century, Kashmir Shaivism arose. In 1349, Shah Mir became the first Muslim ruler of Kashmir and inaugurated the Salatin-i-Kashmir or Swati dynasty.

For the next five centuries, Muslim monarchs ruled Kashmir, including the Mughals, who ruled from 1526 until 1751, then the Afghan Durrani Empire that ruled from 1747 until 1820. That year, the Sikhs under Ranjit Singh, annexed Kashmir. In 1846, upon the purchase of the region from the British under the Treaty of Amritsar, the Dogras—under Gulab Singh—became the new rulers.

Dogra Rule, under the paramountcy (or tutelage) of the British Crown, lasted until 1947, when the former princely state signed an accession treaty with India after raiders from Pakistan attacked it. India accepted the accession, regarding it provisional until such time as the will of the people can be ascertained by a plebiscite, since Kashmir was recognized as a disputed territory. India applied to the United Nations for a resolution of the issue and a temporary line of control was created. The plebiscite demanded by the UN and promised by India in Indian White Paper on Kashmir was never conducted due to intransigence on the part of both India and Pakistan. Thus began a problem that still remains unresolved with the disputed territory now administered by the three countries of India, Pakistan, and the People's Republic of China.

Given the current political turmoil and strife in the Kashmir valley, the environment is not conducive for conducting a plebiscite as the results can be influenced by different parties. However, this does not mean that Kashmir is not an integral part of India. As the accession treaty had been signed earlier, it is better to focus on the current issues afflicting the Kashmir valley.

However, there are many parties who are not interested in resolving the dispute under any circumstances as their interests will be best served by furthering the conflict. Hence, prudent governmental measures need to be administered and a pragmatic option may be to focus on the Line of Control as the final dividing line and resolve the issue.

Thanks for the referral, Sharad....

Who is she to say.  After all she is a writer.  She and Agnivesh are trying to catch the eye of the people by taking wrong paths.  She is exceeding her limits.  The activities of these people shall be closely monitored.  How she could say that J & K is not an integral part of India.  Some times I believe that too much of freedom of speech is the major cause for voices of these nature. 

Being writer does not qualify you being a good human being to .As a writer u have freedom to express your opinion & views but its also very important not hurt the human emotions.After 1947 whole world had declared Kashmir will be a part of India How can she give such a stupid & silly comment.Our government is spending 1/2 of the defence budget in kashmir how she can think like that.After some days they will ask for Delhi to .Sorry to say but i think she should go to pakistan & live over there its easy to say anything about our Nation in India But its very unsafe to give such comment in any other Nation.She is acting like a terroist in India Who is fullfilling her needs in India & singing the song of other country.