Do you think that all Government employees should be replaced by the Management professionals.

No, there is no need to replace all Govt. employees by management professionals but there is a need to make peoples aware of their duties and rights because the corruption starts with us but not with the govt. employees.

Thanks for invite Shilapa.

Most in bureaucracy may as well carry the tag of a management professional.

It is not length of degrees but, Will or lack of, to perform that matters.

It is the complete lack of accountability, excessive Job security and self servicing attitudes that are much more the real reason and not missing tags. 

it is not a solution.. problems are hidden in working system not in employees... they are also well qualified as management professionals..

No. Many of the Government officials are more intelligent & well knowledged than the MBA's and other management professionals. The old government officials with complacent attitude are retiring & the new ones who are coming are more dynamic. They are being given additional & required training. After some time, the scenario will be changed.

Let us see some problems ahead for our Govt and how Professionals may propose to tackle the same :

---  Maoists are of immeninet danger for us - how do U tackle ?

--- Vast majority of population is proverty ridden - how to tackle ?

--- Honour killings are happening daily ... how tackle ?

--- Media is acting of their own .. no regard to "news" in pure form .. how ?

---  So many children are out of our Education system .. how ?

-----------   we may not live with "myths", reality is that the we work under a system, with limitations, priority and goals of the systeme. In a "profit making system", all directions are towards profits.

A Govt. employee is not a profit earner - so his/ her system of work differs.

There are so many MBAs and technical people in Govt. jobs. However, once they join Govt job as employee, they are also to be called "Govt. Employees" .

Its an impossible crazy idea. Its good way to express your feelings and nothing more. It would be nice if someone can come up with the idea on how to rehab those govt employees. Also, there is an assumption that there would be sufficeint management graduates available to replace all govt employees. again it is further assumed that all mgt schools in india prepare 100% effective & non corrupt managers. & that all are willing to work in Govt dept in its present form. We should not forget that unless the decision making ministers do not take speedy and quality decisions than we may end up converting the so called expert managers into another set of poor quality govt servents. FOR WHAT EVER YOU DO THE REPLACEMENTS WILL ALSO BE CALLED GOVT SERVENTS!!!

Management is just one of the many skills required in a massive organization like the government. There need to all types of professionals other than those having management skills. 

thanks Shilpa for referal.some how i can't agree to this line of arguement as Govt's function is not a business even there are profit and losses and other business related activities.in simple terms,Govt is running for development of its citizens through constitutional directives.that's why even military rule hasn't been opted so far.directions of management professionals are very much different than Govt's approach.on a lighter side,one thing is sure to happen if Govt employees are replaced by professionals and that is even professionals can become ceded to all unwanted habits and learn to earn money without any effort where no university is able to teach quickly.

Hi Shilpa, thanks to have invited me to this discussion.

Unluckily, in general terms, I tend don't agree with your opinion.

I mean, to manage public interest isn't the same as to manage an enterprise.

The "business model" is different, the same for scope and as a consequence processes and so on (for example, I suppose that in India too the organizational rules for public adminisration as due by law and not self managed...).

Of course many "enterprise" practices, tools and instruments can be profitably used in public administration. May be I'm wrong but I see more space for a "cultural change" need in PA than for a radical mix change.

Of course this is a foreigner's point of view, knowing very few about the specific issues of Indian PA....

u dont become a good manager b'coz u hv a management degree or so.. it is a lot more. govt.. business is lot more then just a profit and loss statement..

My freiend dont be over enthusiastic about management professionals. Management professionals are not out of this world. Its just that they have got training through different case studies to tackle a business situation which requires decision making, after all management is all about decision making. If a person can take good decision , he is fine, whether or not he is a management professional does not make a difference. After all each sitiation is a different situation. Govt officals are all bright and go through complex of training , all that are being done in management institutes. Being bright also they are much more aligned to actual ground conditions in dealing with people and can deliver much better. Its only because of pulls and pressures in a democracy and corruption and vested interests that thay do not perform that effficiently, but nothing to take credit away from them. THey all are fantastic. Its not without nothing tht all top corporates in India try to pounce upon any govt official who is retiring or or thinking about taking VRS to recruit them in their companies. 

Hello Vaibhav, Not Necessary. Instead Government can make arrangement for the Training Pro gramme for the Employees depending upon their position. This will help them to do better work. Further employees also should understand this seriously and work for the welfare of the people. Instead of collecting money to do the work, they voluntarily do the work for the needy and this will give great satisfaction to them. 

K Rajagopalan. 

Business people are trained to extract the most out of the limited resource - not the common good.

Those who are supporting the other side is thinking that only management trainees are perfect to run any organization including government. As Mr. Rao explaines our administrative training is competant enough with any MBA course. If we want to see a perfectly running governemnt syetem, it is only to make free from political influence and red tapism.

I do not think all Govt. employees are incompetent to the level that they need replacement. However, their output is pretty limited and generally unsatisfactory to say the least in terms of either effectiveness efficiency.

That they work in a system that requires no performance and work ethic, and their apathy (inherent or developed over time) is what needs to be drastically overhauled. Merit generally has not much place in Govt. service - from selection to promotion to getting away with no work or malacious use of position is rampant.

But I for one do not see how the rot can be stemmed - from top to bottom - are not interested in change... 

It is by far better...and less expensive...for a society to invest in the professionalization of its government bureaucracy than it is to abdicate such roles and functions to private enterprise and thus see their government usurped and dominated by plutocratic forces. 

Probably you dont know that Government Executives (IAS)  themselves are Masnagement professionals. They get much better training than any of the MBAs get in IIMs. In Governmetn there is a QIP scheme and at least 20-30% of IAS personal have also done their MBA and some of them in Harvard. Take for example Mr Jayaraj, IAS (former CMD of karnataka Power Corporation/ BBMP Commissioner)  and Mr. Vidyashankar (Former Executive Member of KIADV, Agriculture Commissioner /Election commissioner of Karnataka) have done MBA in Harvard. The present CMD of Air India Mr. Aravind Jadhav an IAS has an MBA from a Australian University.  There are ex Army personal as well as Scientists among IAS. Constituion has given certain powers and previlages to the Government Executives (IAS). It is the dirty Politicain and the people (Illiterate/gonda elements) who follow them are responsible for todays prblems facing this country. Politicians are trying to take away the powers of the IAS and have become successfull to a large extent. They have planted their followers among the officials down the IAS line through a promotee quota IAS where. Retired IAS who have entered Politics are not very successfull and have to work under dirty politicians. We have almost reached a point of no return and only if educated and honest people join the main stream politics and start cleansing the political parties this country can be saved.

No not at all. What is important is conducive work culture and dedicated work ethics in Govt services. This can be brought only if job security in Govt job is done away with and  productivity oriented objective performance reward system is put in place. If these things can not be brought in, even a proven management professional will not succeed. Issue is not that simple. We need political will

Because a management degree alone does not make you God. And being a government employee does not mean you cannot have a management degree.

I have been to an LIC office on some occasions , in connection with my policies , and I have been surprised by their courtesy and efficiency.

Replacing all government employees is like sacking all the players of the current T20 Indian team , just because the team did not fare well in the current World T20 championship. Remove a few bad apples , and the entire team will start doing better.

THANK YOU SHILPA.CORRUPTION HAS BECOME A PART AND PARCEL OF OUR LIFE.IT IS THERE IN PRIVATE ALSO.BECAUSE OF VERY LIMITED INFORMATION FLOWING FROM PRIVATE ORGANISATIONS,MANAGED BY CAPABLE PROFESSIONALS,WE ARE UNDER A WRONG IMPRESSION THAT CORRUPTION IS PREVALENT ONLY IN GOVT ORGANISATIONS.SOLID EXAMPLE IS SATHYAM.EFFICEINT PEOPLE ARE THERE IN GOVT BUT THEIR HANDS ARE TIED UP AND THEY HAVE VERY LIMITED FREEDOM TO WORK AND OVER A PERIOD OF TIME MANY START TO  LIVE THE WAY ROMAN`S WAY IN ROME.WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT IS REAL DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY AND NO INTERRUPTIONS FROM POLITICAL BOSSES

Our government systems are constructed in a high sold level. There could be corruption in many sides. The level of our governments are growing and improving. A corruption free India is our vision and may have to wait for at least two generation to go. Let us wait for the new generations to come.  

The crisis in lehman, citibank consequential crisis that hit the world do you think these organisations were not headed by management professionals, they were led by the top class management professionals and you have seen the result.  It is not management professionals, CAs or something else what we need people with common sense, and dispense with yes men at all levels.  Only then proper functioning and growth will be there

i partialy disagree because politicians are part of govt. but how can they be replaced by management persons because we donot have the rule in indian constitution about the topic stated by you. but i can suggest that persons those are well educated with good management skills can be the part of govt. aqs they can stand in elections and i am sure that educated people always cast vote to right person  who cannot be brived by any means . i mean to say those people having patriotism and are highly qualified and head strong towars right curves can make our country to be in top most position in the world

Woudnt make much or any difference unless the incubents have a strong ethical and moral background regardless of the sector since power corrupts most people.

currently due to nature of humans there is in efficiency.this will continue even  if there are management proffesional.

even if management professional funtionaing will be not satisfactory as statistics show that few deliver to the best level.

some of our secretary far better than M pros but due politician indulgence many of the things are not delivered. further even the burecrats deliver then the demand from politics will be higher.hence ther so many things that do not meet the eye so it does not matter even if M.Pros are in.

No, as those are in various catagory BUT,

I think all the Political leaders who are in Power, all of them MUST be trained well according to Management Proffessional Training Programm.

Silly, Government Administration is not taught in your B-Schools.