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Created by : Vinay Kumar Sahu, HR Manager, Hewlett-Packard  | 09 04 2008 06:11:40 +0000
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I want to know your views on the point that does women have been given there share in the corporate world.
 
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We started this discussion primarily to substantiate the fact that have women found their share in corporate world or not. Somewhere in the middle of it we all have lost the track and have taken the forum into Men Vs Women thing, pointing on perceptions, mindsets etc......

Do you really feel this is required?????

We are here to share our thoughts substantiated with our experience in corporate world.

Lets accept a fact that we all are not from the same part of the corporate world. We belong to different Geos and different business atmospheres, thus the women percentage can vary. The idea is to find out the change in the total women participation in our respective industry. This will be a measure to understand whether there has been an appreciation in numbers or not. Which I am sure there has been.

When I say so I donot consider industries like Metallurgy/Forging/Heavy Labor/Manufacturing etc......

I am strong believer that if somebody is a boss, He/She is not because of gender. Its sheer hardwork, business accumen and far sightedness that takes you there. And fortunately none of these capabilities are gender based.

Again coming back to the discussion point, I strongly believe that there has been a culture shift in the last 2 decades. Parents give equal education and opportunities to their kids and women have evolved as potential corporates.


By Vikas Malhotra, Resource Management, Manpower Planning , Birlasoft Limited  10 09 2008 09:52:49 +0000
 
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Only 3-4% of women are able to do so. I am from international corporate market and very well know how tuff it is. You need to sacrifice your life, your family commitments which is not everyone cup of coffee.

If you see the background of those women who made a remarable position in coporate market must have done a major sacrifice in thier family life. I know a COO, she left her desire of a baby becuase she wants to prove her in corporate market and now its too late for her.

 Women can make it but men don't want so, as thier male ego never support this.


By Deepali Gulati, COO, Knack HR Solutions  09 14 2008 23:19:36 +0000
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It is not the gender it is the capabilities that matters.
By Vinayarajan KV, Head/VP/GM-Sales, EP Tech  | 02 14 2011 14:25:49 +0000
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Every Woman have her place in the corporate world as per her ability to deliver.
By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 02 14 2011 14:00:53 +0000
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The issue is much better understood by simply asking oneself

are women restricted from having their fair share in the corporate world ?
...and the answer is an obvious 'NO'.

The lower numbers are due to various factors ranging from personal to societal.

Certain roles/professions are gender biased. Men fighting for an equal share in a counselors role or women fighting for equal share in the rig-cleaners role is stretching the idea too far in my opinion.


By Dhananjay Raturi, Head of the Department, XYZ  | 07 18 2009 17:46:42 +0000
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They certainly have their share...its fair or not is the question. The answer of which can be best given by women only.

But that is for sure that many of the corporates would not perform if their men are not supported by their respective women.

 


By Vivek Singh, Project Manager, L&T  | 07 01 2009 06:27:47 +0000
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Yes I believe women have found their share in the Corporate World at least in the Western Hemisphere. From my experience women have been given their fair share in society.We are living in a modern society, gone are the days when women were not given top ranking positions even in the civil service and had no confidence in even starting their own businesses or lack confidence in managing a big organisation.  Women are now Presidents, Prime Ministers, Ministers of the Govt., Ambassadors for their countries, hold high positions in large companies and are successful business women. Family life will not prevent a women from succeeding in the corporate world/modern society. 


By Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit  | 07 01 2009 06:05:14 +0000
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Sujit, I think you should check all your comments for grammatical errors and incorrect spellings before correcting other people. I have seen you made many to date. However, I guess you may go back and edit all to prove me wrong.


By Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit  | 06 29 2009 19:54:10 +0000
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Women have certainly found their share in the corporate world to quite and extent. Everything comes with a cost. Women and Men both pay through their noses to get a share into the corporate world. Where women have to compromise  to step into their world, men also have to struggle. Today it is easier for women to step into the corporate world as women can afford to pay for the support they require for looking after their babies and also cooking and other chores while they are at work. Women can have children, good family life and also a good corporate life these days, but yes not to forget women certainly have to make some extra compromises or rather adjustments to cope up with all these things. In other words nothing is impossible in today's world.


By Alka Thakur, Technical Support Manager, Vendio Services and a freelance German Translator  | 06 25 2009 07:20:27 +0000
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YA I DO UNDERSTAND ABOUT WOMEN PLAYING A MAJOR ROLE IN CORPORATE ROLE

BUT NOT ALL OF THEM ARE ABE TO SUCCEESSFULLY HANDLE IT DUE TO PERSONNLE MIND SET OF EACH AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL WOMEN I MYSELF A SUCCESSFUL LADY ENTREPRENEUR INDIVIDAULLY HANDLING OUR OWN MNC OUTSOURCING COMPANY


By ranjani , Head/VP/GM-HR, SUCCESSFUL INCORPORATE MNC OUTSOURCING COMPANY  | 04 25 2009 05:31:39 +0000
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DEAR VIKAS

I MYSELF AM LADY ENTRPRENEUR SUUCESS IN MY BUSINESS INTO MNC OUTSOURCING COMPANY IT DEPENDS UPON EACH AND EVERY WOMEN WHO WORKS EITHER IN CORPORATE OR ANYWHERE ELSE APPLICATION IS MOST IMP


By ranjani , Head/VP/GM-HR, SUCCESSFUL INCORPORATE MNC OUTSOURCING COMPANY  | 04 25 2009 05:28:48 +0000
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DEAR VINAY ;

RECRUIMENT AS WELL ISNT SO TOUGH ITS EASY I M INTO RECRUITMENTS SELF EMPLOYED FOR PAST TWO YEARS SUCCESS EVER OK STUDY THE JOB DETAILS PROPERLY MATCH THE RESUMES CORRECTLY DO THE JOB POSTINGS CORRECTLY STUDY THE MIND OF ALL THE CLIENTS MIND AND PEOPLES MIND AND IT IS ALWAYS POSITIVE


By ranjani , Head/VP/GM-HR, SUCCESSFUL INCORPORATE MNC OUTSOURCING COMPANY  | 04 25 2009 05:26:01 +0000
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hi

women can easily play their role in the corpoate dear vinay i myself am lady running an individual mnc outsourcing company dear vinay including recruitments and software developments


By ranjani , Head/VP/GM-HR, SUCCESSFUL INCORPORATE MNC OUTSOURCING COMPANY  | 04 25 2009 05:22:57 +0000
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YA deepa women have finally got their share in the corporate world. But many doesn't know about it. They just don't realise that now a days women are contributing more than men.


By Gargi Sinha, Senior Consultant, Hewitt Associates  | 04 07 2009 13:14:47 +0000
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woman has greater role to play in the corporate world and day by day their contribution is growing and their participation is inevitable
By Vinayarajan KV, Head/VP/GM-Sales, EP Tech  | 11 10 2008 04:52:38 +0000
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i think women have been given their share, but I agree with Deepa that men pose challenges to us in terms of dealing with politics and working, peer pressure etc. we are always challenged in some way or the other and when we win the challenges posed to us, nobody accepts it. When we get over some obstacle men stick something else out and say' now face this'. It is very backward and highly political. I do not agree to these tactics and would prefer to step out than get down and dirty.
By neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp  | 11 07 2008 14:08:30 +0000
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That is your way of thinking Mr. Mallikarjuna Gupta. Men like you are still living in the olden times and not seeing that there are women who are being given their share in the corporate world. if unsure start researching on Google and you will come to know how many women are being successful.
By Deepa N, CEO, WILL UPDATE SOON  | 10 07 2008 07:57:38 +0000
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Check my article in Trends & Insights - WOMEN: MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN TODAY'S WORLD. You will then come to know if women have found their sare in the Corporate World or not.
By Deepa N, CEO, WILL UPDATE SOON  | 10 05 2008 13:41:08 +0000
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Why do you say so Mr. Shivendra? If women can tolerate to a certain extent with a man as her boss then why cant men like you tolerate and feel comfortable with a woman boss. I totally oppose to this kind of view. We women do all out household chores and also do a great job in the office and thats how one fine day we become the boss. Instead of appreciating and being happy working under a woman boss for what she is you men still feel uncomfortable working with a woman boss. This is totally ridiculous.
By Deepa N, CEO, WILL UPDATE SOON  | 10 05 2008 12:50:09 +0000
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It is true that most of the men cannot tolerate women going up the ladders as far as profession is considered. We women have to take it as a challenge and show that we are far better than them in a lot of ways like looking after the house, kids, etc... as well as growing up professionally.
By Deepa N, CEO, WILL UPDATE SOON  | 10 05 2008 12:43:43 +0000
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Hi Deepali

I believe 3-4% is too conservative an estimate, when we are talking about Female education being raised by 58% in last 2 decades. Moreover any Org (Apart from Metallurgy/Heavy Labor/Manufacturing) we can easily spot that female contingent is not lacking witha mere 3-4% its an appreaciable number, there are certain sectors (Editorial/Event Mgt/Teaching/Hospitality/Air Hostess/Media/PR/Tele Calling.............) where women presence is in almost comparable or infact higher proportion than male population.

I must mark that Times have changed, male population has given support, belief and required encouragement to give women their share of space in all the professional worlds. When I say so I mean the complete female contingent in working space, not the top notch.

 


By Vikas Malhotra, Resource Management, Manpower Planning , Birlasoft Limited  | 09 27 2008 15:29:08 +0000
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Yes begining has been done. But they have to face the gasic challenges of life which puts them in disadvatagieous positionn over men. Men unfortunately treat them as teir competitors and always wish that they work as their subordinates not boss. but then this has started breaking and women have started taking the position of bosses and they are performing efficiently.Indira Noui is there to support this.
By Bhuneshwar Ram Tripathi, Head/VP/GM-Production/Manufacturing, Bhatia International Ltd.  | 09 23 2008 02:20:41 +0000
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Yes Women have found their share, the more disposable income that we see these days is becaue, ealier majority of earnings was from male community but now female part of the world is equally fighting for it and thus raising the household income for a better living. 
By Vikas Malhotra, Resource Management, Manpower Planning , Birlasoft Limited  | 09 13 2008 08:22:18 +0000
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Considering the social structure, and considering the number of working males vis a vis working females, women are getting their due share. The situation will improve with time
By Kujnish Vashisht, Partner/Principal/VP, Expedient Consultants  | 09 13 2008 02:58:10 +0000
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Yes, take a look at the likes of Indra Nooyi, or Kiran Majumdar Shaw etc, they all are there in the field and everyone respects and ardors them. So how could you say that they have not got there share.
By Vinay Kumar Sahu, HR Manager, Hewlett-Packard  | 09 04 2008 06:11:40 +0000
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I agree with deepali.

Today women are in every field where men are. But women have to look after their family with carieer.Women have to sacrifice their desires for their carieer. Women have to choose between carieer and family. though we see today women have many advantages than previous, then also men get more importance than women in the society.

 Today though women contribute their knowledge, honest efforts in every field, it might be ignored because of man's ego.


By Snehal Murlidhar Somani, Associate/Sr. Associate -(NonTechnical), Tata Consultancy Services (TCS)  | 01 30 2010 04:23:37 +0000
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I simply say no ,because as per our politician there should be 33% reservation in every field of life ,which has not yet achieved specially in corporate world.till it is achieved can't say they are satisfied. 


By SB DIKSHIT, STATE QUALITY MONITOR, U.P.R.R.D.A  | 07 18 2009 11:07:51 +0000
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Ok, agreed that women have hit the proverbial 'glass ceiling' and not received their due share. But the question we should be asking is, is it becaue of personal and family pressures, as most members have suggested, or are there impediments that the corporate itself creates for women?


By Viktor Stephen, COO, I Entrepreneur  | 06 29 2009 22:42:31 +0000
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Kindly change the word there to their. 

Sentence should be "Have women found their share in the corporate world"

And as nowhere we have 50% share in either job or education despite being part of 50% population, Hence they have not yet found their due share in corporate world, parliament, schools or any Public stage of world.


By sujit Kumar, Marketing Manager, Wipro Peripherals  | 06 25 2009 17:00:36 +0000
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i agree with varsha even women are given there percentage in the society there are not full filling it due their personnel problems.
By Prabhu Dakshinamoorthy, HR & Admin Executive, Metecno India Pvt Ltd  | 11 10 2008 08:53:49 +0000
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Women have not gone anywhere-the glass ceiling is definitely looming large.Some women have gone beyond but that is so few that the revolution is not happening there.

But it is happening at the grassroot levels- in villages.More and more women are taking up the bold stance of telling the men to keep off and sending their girls to study.

And to the many women finding fault with the  men-I am sorry-but the worst enemy to a woman is another woman.

 


By Shobana Gowri, Head/VP/GM-Marketing Global Cube  | 11 08 2008 17:14:09 +0000
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no .. only few(10 to 20%) are able to set them tracked at the cost of there personneal life as  a whole.
By varsha , Head/VP/GM-Quality, frac  | 11 07 2008 18:36:12 +0000
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I agree with most of the posts in this forum. But I personally believe that there is a lot of potential in women that needs to be harnessed. Abhishek is right when he says there are only a handful of women and when we take an overall scenario we wont find many in the top management. But there is a reason behind it. We would have to understand the evolution of the careers of women as we try to unravel this. When we hire freshers (both men and women) from college, they are at the same level. In fact, my experience tells me that some of the best performing employees have been women. Their families are happy and support them totally. Once the initial euphoria goes off, the family starts pestering most of the women for marriage. I have known hundreds of top-performing women leaving their jobs to go marry someone who is in a different city or a different country. What happens to her career ? Its killed just when she is about to embark on the middle-tier of the corporate. She either quits working altogether or takes up something which is below par to her ability. Considering that she survives till that stage to marry someone who supports her job/shift, after a year or two they would be facing the big question of starting a family. Once this happens, her priorities are totally changed as is wont with nature. First priority would be the baby. Best case scenario, she might lose 6-7 months of the peak-performing period of her career. Worst case scenario (am talking about complicated pregnancies), she might end up losing more than a year and half. When she rejoins back, would she be in the state of mind that she quit ? Absolutely NO. Because she has been out of touch not just with her work, but with the culture too. Suddenly people also start her differently. Major responsibilities are many times not given to new-moms because people think they would need an easy job which is stress free. Consider a second baby and then imagine where her career would be ? In the meantime, where is her peer (male) who joined work with her as a fresher by now ? he is at least 2-3 notches above her in the hierarchy. Apart from all these also, there are many other socio-economic situations which play a part in defining the career of women. To say that inspite of all this, some women make it to the top of the organization hierarchy is an achievement, is an understatement. I personally salute their spirit and their multi-tasking abilities.

The only way we can ensure that women get their due share in the corporate world, is by having a definite percentage as target (of course based on merit) for hiring women to maintain a healthy female:male ratio on the floor. I have been fortunate to work with such companies and I feel more such initiatives would ensure equal gender parity at work.


By Harish Kumar, Manager Human Resources (Recruitment)  | 10 08 2008 06:45:00 +0000
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Dear Deepa,

It requires total change in mindset,for which we all have to work togather. It can not happen in overnight.


By SHIVENDRA KUMAR JHA, Project Manager  | 10 07 2008 10:02:04 +0000
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It is still long way to. Only recently it has started. It takes some more time to get that culture in India.
By Mallikarjuna Gupta Bhogavalli, Sr. Product Manager, Oracle India Pvt Ltd  | 10 07 2008 07:50:52 +0000
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Too a large extent Deepali is right. Extended stay at office makes life hell. It is very difficult for women to meet requirement of home & office. Even today we do not feel comfortable with woman boss.
By SHIVENDRA KUMAR JHA, Project Manager  | 09 27 2008 18:32:09 +0000
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Well Vinay, its easy to take one or two names but if you take the overall scenario you won't find more than 10% women in the senior management and thus I would to take exception from your point of view and would like to say that still there is still discrimination with women when it comes to corporate world.
By Abhishek Roy, HR Manager, Cybage Software  | 09 04 2008 06:14:05 +0000
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