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Created by : Ravali , Sub Editor/Reporter, Creative Advertising  | 02 02 2011 11:47:23 +0000
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Bringing sexual offences against children under legal purview for the first time, a draft bill on the issue fixes 16 years as the age of consent for sex and awarding harsh punishments for offenders.

So do you agree on this??

 
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          Actually it is very difficult to comment on this matter without seeing the conditions of this bill, but if Govt. is seriously thinking over it, proves that it is a very very sensitive question in our country. We should congratulate our Govt. if it get success to fix it! Apart from misusing the laws by the 'MAVALI TYPE' people, laws are always made/changed by researching many years, thoroughly studying so many cases,keeping in mind the nature of the public and the present situation.                              

          I think RAVALI has not understood the perfect meaning of the bill. Permitting SEX is not at all permitting RAPE. Rape is being a serious offence, the rapist will always get punished, but due to the outdated laws sex is being converted into rapes by the people who are narrow minded and jealous!  

           There are so many girls interested in sex, doing sex, and inspiring boys for sex by wearing tight or less clothes! But when some incident occurs it is converted into the offence. The criminal is less responsible for the offensive act than the inspirer, but he becomes the victim!! So please be futuristic, and help our people of the nation for thinking beyond the outdated traditions!! It is again difficult for me to express all the thoughts in this forum due to  Lack of space and time, so please pardon me.

Dear Ravali, Thank  you very much for referral.                                               


By sunil ghodke, Construction-Residential, TDL  02 02 2011 15:12:32 +0000
 
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No this is not correct.... that means that people got free license to rape individuals who are below 16yrs of age....because individuals might not be aware of such activities. And it depends on the victim to realize and prove it to the law that he or she was raped or assulted.

More over individuals who were sacred to have sex now will be more confident when they reach at age of 16....thus more pregnancy cases and abortion cases will come to be seen


By Ravali , Sub Editor/Reporter, Creative Advertising  02 02 2011 11:47:23 +0000
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AS MR. RAJVEE SHARMA RIGHTLY POINTED THAT WHEN GIRLS ATTAIN PUBERTY AT THE VERY TENDER AGE IT IS REALLY A CAUSE FOR CONCERN FOR MANY PARENTS. I WOULD RATHER RECOMMEND THAT GOVT SHOULD MADE SEX EDUCATION A MANDATORY FOR ALL SCHOOLS. THIS WILL HELP THE CHILD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT HER OWN BODY BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
By sudhakar , BUSINESS CONSULTANT  | 04 27 2011 08:47:37 +0000
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Thanks for putting it correctly, Anantha!


By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 02 03 2011 05:04:09 +0000
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Seems okay in today's world when girls start getting puberty at the age of 9-10 years.
By Rajeev Sharma, Strategic Analyst, Columnist, Publishing  | 02 03 2011 01:49:20 +0000
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We will wait for the Parliamentary debate on the same, before which it is unofficial and unripe to comment.
By Amarendra Gogoi, Law, Law  | 02 02 2011 20:16:16 +0000
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Errr.. Please correct me if I am wrong people!

"Draft bill fixes 16yrs as age for consensual sex"

means: The minimum age for any child to willingly permit sex is anything above 16 (16 inclusive). Anybody indulging in sex with children below 16 years of age with or without their consent is punishable.

The law doesn't mean that you can do anything with children below 16 years! It simply means that even if the offender contests that he/ she had done the act with mutual consent, it is punishable!

 

"No consensual (mutually agreed) or forced sex or sex through fraud, deceit, coercion, undue influence, threats; or when the child did not have the capacity to understand the nature of the act- below 16 years!"

This is what I have understood out of the article from Times of India!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Draft-bill-fixes-16-yrs-as-age-for-consensual-sex/articleshow/7405647.cms

Again, please correct me if I am wrong!

Ya, and @sudhakar, such acts happening between children of the same age is not severely punishable is what the bill says.

Good info! Tx.


By Anantha Shayana. D, CTO/CIO, RAYSITI  | 02 02 2011 19:49:27 +0000
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CHENNAI: Twelve-year-old children will be legally permitted to have non-penetrative sex with children their age, according to a draft Protection of Children From Sexual Offences Bill, 2010, that has been sent to states by the ministry of women and child development for their views. The Bill also seeks to introduce a gradation in the age of consensual non-penetrative sex (12-14 years and 14-16 years) against the existing age of consent for sex which is 16 years. It proposes that in case of the age group 12-14, the maximum age gap between partners should be two years. For the 14-16 group, the maximum gap should be three years. The age of consent in the US is between 16 and 18 years, depending on the state they live in; in the UK it is 16. Spain has one of the lowest ages of consent, at 13 years. While a senior official of the ministry of women and child development confirmed that the Bill has been sent to state governments, law minister Veerappa Moily said he was not aware of it. ``Twelve years is anyway not a proper age for a sexual act,`` he told TOI. Section 3 of the proposed Bill lists under exceptions of unlawful sexual act with a child: (i) Any consensual non-penetrative sexual act penalised by this chapter is not an offence when engaged in between two children who are both over 12 years of age and are either of the same age or whose ages are within two years of each other. (ii) when engaged in between two persons who are both over 14 years of age and are either of the same age or whose ages are within three years of each other The Bill will soon be sent to the cabinet, after which a parliamentary standing committee will scrutinise it. Suggestions and objections from the states will be considered then, said a senior official at the ministry of women and child development. The law ministry too has been working on a similar Bill with an identical name, in which the age of consent is mentioned as 16 years, with no gradation as suggested by the new Bill. The circulation of two Bills with the same title has created confusion in the government. Opinion on the minimum age are divided. Aparna Bhat, a Supreme Court lawyer who was part of a National Commission for Protection of Child Rights group that drafted the latest Bill said the gradation of age down to 12 years was to decriminalise sexual exploration by two children. Under the existing law, if two 12-year-olds get physical and if one childs parent complains, the other can be pulled up by the Juvenile Justice Board. The panel felt such minor things should be decriminalised, she said. Raaj Mangal, chairperson of Delhi Child Welfare Committee said the Bill could prove ``disastrous`` if it comes into effect. ``Twelve, given the mind and maturity of a child, is not an age to give consent, be it penetrative or non-penetrative sex. In the name of decriminalising, you can`t keep sexual acts between children out of the notice of the authorities,`` said Mangal. Former CBI director RK Raghavan felt the attempt to draw a distinction between an act involving penetration and one not involving penetration will create confusion in the minds of investigators. ``Disputes regarding the age of the offender or the victim, which will be many, will dilute the objective of protecting children,`` he said. Some others like Nina Nayak, chairperson of Karnataka State Commission for the protection of child rights, called the Bill ``absolutely unacceptable``. ``The Juvenile Justice Board is anyway lenient to children in conflict with law. Even if a minor rapes a minor, the child in conflict with law is just admonished and sent. There is no need of a new law to make sexual acts between children permissible,`` she said. sudhakar
By sudhakar , BUSINESS CONSULTANT  | 02 02 2011 15:23:37 +0000
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By NIRMAL KUMAR MISHRA, SR GIS/CAD ENGINEER, AABSyS Information Technology  | 02 02 2011 14:10:12 +0000
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I think 16 is too less. Especially since 18 is the age for voting, and consensual sex can have life-long consequences in comparison to one's vote which "may" lead to a vote for the winning side, whose tenure is limited to next five years only. My preference would be 21 years for either marriage or consensual sex for either men or women, and ideally even a higher age for women since they are the vulnerable group.
By Nirmal Senapati, Graphic Designer, Gitanjali Awards, Bhubaneswar  | 02 02 2011 12:54:07 +0000
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Current age limit is 18 years for a girl & 21 years for a boy, still rapes are happening everyday & everywhere. & who is going to give guarantee for a boy or for a girl that they don't have pre-marital sex?
By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 02 02 2011 12:08:46 +0000
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To be very honest & looking scenario of current generation, it is wise decision,

as it relates to current ongoing culture.

& it is happening in front of us & known to every Indians that still in the 21

century there are many childhood marriages are taken place @ every village

but we have only option remain to see /accept it.


By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 02 02 2011 12:05:35 +0000
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why not
By bharat , Legal Consultant/Solicitor, bharatkumar lawyer  | 07 26 2011 05:09:59 +0000
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its totally again nature. every thing is to be happen on its time, if it is happen before time it will create a problem. as SUNIL GHODKE said i am totally against of him because its our society towards destruction of the culture and spread a vulgarity on the name of Freedom. IT better to find the solution of the problem rather than adjust and SUNIL GODKER adjusting with the problem. here we have to find why at this age person thinking about the sex else it is not his perfect age to think about that.i think if person thinking about that then he has to do merry as earlier as possible. but at last i would like to say that until and unless we doesnot keep the fear of creator in our heart we cant stop such incident. may GOD show us the right path.
By Kabir N Kabir, MCA student, IS THIS A QUESTION???  | 04 26 2011 18:52:30 +0000
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ya its true....i agree with Ravli...
By karthik , processing/QA, HOV SERVICES  | 02 12 2011 12:03:00 +0000
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It is not acceptable whatever reasons shown. This law opens the gate for the entry of western culture. No doubt this culture is with the adults in metro/cosmopolitan cities and now the youngsters/children will also be spoiled. Any how it is not a good shine and now all the parents have to be very careful. According to some it may look correct but one should apply the reasoning with focus on the long run in respective of all children's future. The more sophisticated/modern way of life in the current scenario take all to the stage of deterioration. Somebody may argue that it depends upon the perception or outlook of people how they take to understand but it paves the way for evils or illegitimacy. Everybody can not understand it in a proper perception which may vary according to mental/physical maturity.

Thanks for the referral Ms.Ravali.


By NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, GM-Projects, Bentec Electricals & Electronics Pvt. Ltd  | 02 04 2011 17:06:39 +0000
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Mr.Anantha had very nice and clearly explained the Bill,but i would support the comments of Mr.prasanna, it is still the teenage we call it


By karthikrathnam , Branch manager,  | 02 03 2011 09:22:28 +0000
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Though the bodily developments of human beings are ready sex by age of 16, they still do not have maturity to think the conseqesnces of the same. In Indian tradition the completion of education itself it takes maximum of 18 years. Hence not advisable .
By Prasanna S, Civil Engineer-Other, Dasari Builders Pvt Ltd  | 02 03 2011 06:47:10 +0000
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i agree with ravali
By kishore kumar, Senior Consultant, Talent Hub  | 02 03 2011 05:58:30 +0000
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As it is often evident, the Govt. always trying to punish the guilty, they can instead, think, reason for the offence and take corrective action, by proper education and culture building. The law can be mis used to take avenge by stupid minded persons.


By Gopala Krishnan.H, CMD, DJA-Inc  | 02 03 2011 01:32:50 +0000
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Whether it is penetrative or non-penetrative or whatever, children at that age should not be exposed to sex.  In no other country is 12 years legal age for this activity.  Even the so-called advanced and modern countries have 15 to 16 as the minimum because they have understood the ill-effects.  The mere thought itself is wrong.  So do we need to see the conditions, etc? 


By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 02 02 2011 22:08:43 +0000
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If this is passed, they need to change the Child Labour Act, Juvenile Justice System, People's Representation Act, CrPC, etc.This will only help those who indulge in heinous crime, those who are under-trials and others! Will also lead to a number of abortions, female foeticide, and what not!
By S. Muralidharan, Executive Director, Knowledge Foundation & Campus Around the Corner  | 02 02 2011 21:12:54 +0000
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We will wait for the Parliamentary debate on the same, before which it is unofficial and unripe to comment.
By Amarendra Gogoi, Law, Law  | 02 02 2011 20:17:30 +0000
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In the age of education, carrer. getting knolwedge it is not good to promote for sexual activities. Anyone can rape and can force to that victim for saying consent.
By Omkar Kulkarni, Accounts Officer, Minilec(India) Pvt Ltd  | 02 02 2011 15:51:16 +0000
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Scaling on Psychological canons, one sees that, from age 1-7 a child manifests developments like, autoeroticsm, masturbation, homosexulality. Thesed dirves the child at the age of 7 so distraught that he abstains from these after 7. Then sexuality as per psychological theory can only be used for 'procreative purpose'. Otherwise it is a sigh of 'neurosis' a nervous disorder. So fixing ages for this prematurely or at any stage is unscientific.
By Mathew Cherian, Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University  | 02 02 2011 15:50:22 +0000
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India has its own culture , we dont follow the west. We should follow scientific facts and law should be scientific only not a follow on western culture. this law may be protested.
By Reni sebastian, Assistant Engineer, State government of Keralam  | 02 02 2011 14:50:05 +0000
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i fully agree with you


By kanukurthy sudershanrao, Operations Manager, Andhra Bank  | 02 02 2011 14:43:09 +0000
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Ravali partially i agree with your argument but same time i favor sex education for all for that age category.


By Diwakar Tiwari, Sr. Manager, THE Arvind LTD  | 02 02 2011 13:01:41 +0000
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Ravali you have made a good and bold statement. I am in agreement with you.


By Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant  | 02 02 2011 13:01:27 +0000
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I think 16 is too less. Especially since 18 is the age for voting, and consensual sex can have life-long consequences in comparison to one's vote which "may" lead to a vote for the winning side, whose tenure is limited to next five years only. My preference would be 21 years for either marriage or consensual sex for either men or women, and ideally even a higher age for women since they are the vulnerable group.
By Shahnawaz Islam, PR & Media Relations Manager, National Institute of Smart Governance  | 02 02 2011 12:22:47 +0000
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