Electoral Reforms

Thanks to Mr vinoy and etc  for  such topics , Reform is always a continuous process .

About our discussion  find a solution that will cover every ones interest and intention.

(assure  royalty if implemented @ Re 1 per vote to P-rak )

Secret ballet voting system  intact

Transparency in voting  sure

Record Proof of voting possible

Online counting possible

Cross check  or verification possible  audit possible

Vulnerable, Injury , insecurity  chances  NIL

                                SOLUTION

As I have said  voting access paper issued by EC to voters  Call it as access paper –AP

AP will be having name of voter and Code number .

When u vote in a conventional way ie  Machine should  have arrangement in which AP will be inserted or accessed .

When actual vote is given by voter – Machine will Print /assign voters code no to Vote give ,while executing vote in machine- Voting no is allocated by machine to that specific vote  both these  nos will be assigned to vote and it is for official purpose ie EC record. It could be digital or print.

Only Vote No will be printed on AP . which will not give any logo and any contestants  details.or separate print of Voters name .code (AP) and Vote no . 

That will give u all ur secret ballet purpose.

U can give online display  after some time schedule -30 minute gap .

Voter will get proof of vote which will be having record with Ec . in which  No Name of Candidate and his logo is mentioned that is secret , so safety of Citizens is there. No CW/threats /hounding etc

Vote No  and  voters nos is only printed for  EC record so in any cross check and verifications  no one can easily find the Voters name and details  so secret ballet status mentioned with proof and records .

It could be worth .

To ur comment voter can check his own vote not any others vote . Being voting is coded  ur secret ballet is succeeding. Higher version of secret ballet.

to my comment -Constitutional area should be fixed to one district only . one district should not have three four constituency.  As local ,regional things play main role for all aspect s.

We desperately need this bill, however, who will bell the cat as those who can bring about a change are the influential politicos who are under the scanner for abusing power, corruption, theft, nepotism. It appears nearly impossible to implement electoral reforms in the country and in case if it ever comes, it will never see the light of the day as has been happening with the Lokpal Bill....cheats, corrupts are ruling and plundering this nation.....who cares.....

Mr Vinoy and Mr Murthy sir, I am not going away from topic . Open voting could be reform transparency, scope for cross check and verifications , it could be strong solution.

Issue comes out on argument, if in open voting people will be threatened,injured. In such case it could be the parameter/indication of the situation, where people are threatened injured for self benefit . It could be force /pressure on people /citizens by contestants i.e. politicians. so could it be free democratic atmosphere?

Such situations /threats ,could provoke people to outbreak for their right to have free and safe votings (Open ballet) for there basic rights.

I do not think secret ballet system is strong healthy and transparent.It could be basic cause of the topic.

Candidate who wins is representative of that constituency for development, growth and facilities to that area . Authority rights to Ministers come By electoral process. Basic objective should be for people and not Ministers own rights, authority for self benefits.

Voting has direct link to Authority and rights of Ministers 

Clean way of electing members is nothing wrong first step for Strong and Healthy Nation

Sorry P-rak, I did not remember seeing the topic you had raised. Any way we can consider the same. But frankly as regards the debate, I think I have misunderstood what you are suggestion is! Are you debating that the vote cast should be on record (that is every one can access the information of the vote cast by a individual. i.e who has voted for whom.) Please clarify. If your suggestion is as above, then sorry i think it goes against the very grain of secret ballot. Or have I misunderstood your point?

Mr. Vinoy what u asked is first thing comes to mind because it could be real.

I have mentioned another head for PIG civil security –law and order.

I cannot deny, it could be in more rural parts . but law and order could cover it.

If Citizens can’t vote this way then what is free India Developed India. What are citizen rights? When British rule ,people don’t have right to say ,still u have same atmosphere that u cannot have transparent voting ,techno savvy voting ,then I don’t find citizens are in Free India .

Citizens are more important or political representatives .

citizens vote for what ,there growth development or for own salvage. So people are fit, such problem could be thrown out. I don’t find it could be problem.

If such thing occurs –at Extrem level -citizens are 121 crore, how many politicians concentration 1 crore max ,who will dominate and leader politicians could be less than 1 lack . Politicians will surrender. Civil war ,or anger presently in world parts is alive example .

So such vulnerable happens people can strongly reply .

If Politicians use forces on people ,India will definitely see deadly civil war in next 7 to 10 years.

Representatives are elected for whom for Growth ,development , comforts of people or to make representatives small kings, rulers.

A Minister is elected what they ought to do for people ,what people should get in there constituency by default without nagging ,find it ?

So electoral reform is also related to rights /facilities people should get in there areas and nation as a whole for development and rankings of nation at global level.

Election is the starting point of the story

So. I like to have comments on Reservation s In elections () !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why open voting system

Presence of EC office ,access of people to EC office , Cross checking of voting  transaction, support to stop fake voting . documentation  of vote is proof and record to voter.citizens are not coming empty handed only mark on finger.

Such record could be used  for future wave of rejecting elected member as proof and u can reject to whom u have voted not to other member.

With Ec office ,any time voter should have facility to reject group or candidate throught the year. Any measurable no in time could lead to action.

Electoral Reforms

Contributions in topic ER are good.

Increase in No of voting .

Tenure of any elected party is normally assumed to be 5 years ie 1825 days election Campion is almost 50 to 60 days And actual election day is only one which altogether a wrong ratio/very short time. Voting days should be kept for at least ten to fifteen days . It will support to increase the no of persons voting throught India. % of voting will Increase specially in Metro and big cities. Professional and educated persons voting is important .Increase in Time of voting will motivate and keep space for people to vote could lead to increase in % of voting .It could be real opinion of people.

Voting poll system should be shifted to Banks and Post office which are throught India which is possible specially in all big cities .

Open Voting system

Voting system should be open ,to whom u have voted should be open and declared through modern technology of Information systems ,web sites, counting should be shifted from ballet machine storage and secret system to open system and counting will be online and open . Transparency in counting of votes is equally important. Machine it self count vote and displays, could lead to  technical misuse for benefit.

Shift from individual Constituency to Entire State

As already expressed is very correct. India is having 121 crore people . One Minister coming from One constituency having Very small no of person concentration compared to Total Indian Population and of which his winning share is less than 70 to 50 % of actual voting. And that persons leads the entire ministry for the whole nation. So reform could be made that that group of 25 to 30 or more or less contestant should be made and voted by the entire state for central elections ,they should be unique for entire state . It should not be by constituency but by entire state Individual constituency could be kept for State level elections. So percentage  strategy of voters could have meaning to lead entire nation by different ministers. It could l help to stop alliance governments, which could stop buying of elected representatives and such happenings. Elected party will have hassle free rule on nation for passing bills and executing decisions . Help for separating discussion issue debates and decision and execution of policy passing of bills etc.

Mr Vinoy why secret ballot .

I find that starting point of the system –voting- is keeping space for intangibility /no identification / no verification. Citizens wants transparency in national information /RTI /details from govt agencies – information’s kept accessible to people. What harm it will make if information are opened /identified and verified ,could be first step to curb corruption and malpractice

If people not safe to reach to voting booths and criminology what Indians have done for the basic right . It could be one more title Civil security -law and order in PIG.

Election commission infrastructure

Election commission which is autonomous body  should have a strong infrastructure base in every district of India.

It could be 10 /15 storied buildings  /office for every district.5000 sq feet for every floor

All super computer servers and data of citizens,technology implemented in Ec offices .  

EC office  should be functional for the year.

Any birth /death ,migrations, census should be accounted in EC office  parallel to municipal corporations .

any citizen can record his name in EC office ,any query he can solve with Ec office  throught the year.

Currently People find difficult to find there names in list and such list are not available to people.If no name in list no voting.any political party gives voting card with poll booth and room no and list no then only people can approch

With such techno base people could vote from any voting place in India or state.

People should  get  access papers to vote by EC Office

Every voter could get his proof of vote   with his photo snapped by voting machine and to who he has voted . It should be valid for next electoral process

Wonderful to see the community up and going after my Christmas vacation. Yes! Electoral reforms are a must. The members of a party with less than a percentage of the total votes cast in the election to the house should not be allowed to hold a constitutional post. This may possibly lead to avoid splitting of existing parties and unnecessary sprouting of new parties. This could in turn make the choice of the voter more leaner and purposeful.

P-rak! I agree with your first point. The effort should be made to get maximum people to express their vote. As for transparency of ballot cast proposed it is a no-no - because goes against the very grain on secret ballot. The final point I am not clear of your point. If possible please clarify.

Thanx P-rak. Looking forward to your support to PIGS

Sir! It is befitting that you kick of the start of debates in the PIG. I for one am all for serious major electoral reforms. But even before that is done I think that we should look at a re-organization of states. That is a major electoral change though you cannot strictly call bandy it as part of electoral reforms. But such a move especially making smaller states with parity in voice in matters of state will go a long way in making large-scale changes in the administration of the India

It is very much required for a better india. obviously our politicians are so much crooked. Any act,rule or regulation which are not in favour of them they will never allow to pass in the parliament. we presently seeing the condition of lokpal bill. So electoral reforms should become an agenda and party who supports it we should vote and this agenda should be implemented as a first decision after government formation and it cannot be changed or withdrawn without the consent of the people and supreme court.  Then only we can get electoral reforms.  If it really happens we can see new india.

Thanks to Ms Shanti ,Ms Shameena and Mr vinod etc for PIG . What u write is meaning ful ,worth .I will contribute some views which may help some citizens to think and have attitude.

Indian Democracy has the First Past The Post (FPTP) as its electoral system which allows political parties to come to power both in the States and at the Centre with woeful minority of votes. Parties with less than 30% of votes win more percentage of seats and claim the right to form governments.  

This is because majority is understood to be the one who gets more number of votes than other contestants instead of being over 50%.  In Proportional Representation system majority means more than 50% of votes. Thus only parties with more percentage of voter support can come to power.  

Let us go for Electoral Reforms first !!