I have completed my MCA In 2009,i tried for a software job but i didn't succeed because of recession.After one year my fresher period over,if i want to join in a s/w company i must bring a fake experience.I thought it is unfair and i wrote bank exams and i succeeded.Now i am doing job in no.1 bank in India At the same time my friends entered into some companies with fake experience.They are doing their jobs very well and earning more money than me and living in city's.I am doing my job in rural area,travelling 50km every day. I am happy that i have govt job,but i have some questions in my mind,please answer me because you are all well experience in your fields. Did i made mistake not going for IT job by fake experience? I thought ethical values are more important in a life?is it wrong?why i'm unhappy with low salary and working in a rural area Does my fate change in long term?
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thativijaybhaskar , clerk, State Bank of India Group
| 08 24 2011 16:36:53 +0000
The present day increasing changes in all industrial/manufacturing/IT/Trading/Banking/Financial institutions business establishment has necessitated for candidates with multiple skills in performance. Hence today, anybody can do any nature of assignment in business in accordance with their specialized skills. Any business establishments today need both technical as well as commercial skills. Earlier it was a practice that the technical guys would do the technical jobs and the same case with non-technical guys who would perform commercial jobs. On the contrary the present situation is changing.Today every one has to be strong in techno commercial aspects while negotiating with customers. What we need is the interest to learn the technical as well as the commercial aspects of jobs involved. Even in banks there are B.A., and M.A., graduates without any relevance to the bank jobs, but with learning on the jobs trainings and we can not argue that the B.com., and the M.Com., graduates should be appointed. Everything depends upon the situation that so warrants.Why the technical graduates pursue for M.B.A., This is because to run the show effectively with technical knowledge accompanied by commercial & administrative capacity. Moreover today's business tycoons and industrialists who even have not have their degrees either in commercial or technical subjects but capable of running their business in a very successful way with educated graduates in various branch of studies.Hence any branch of education has got its own merits in case it is properly utilized in applications.
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NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, GM-Projects, Bentec Electricals & Electronics Pvt. Ltd
| 03 19 2011 16:49:48 +0000
The answer is if a person is qualified to take decision in favor of bank he has justified the occupation. The qualification does not matter and there is no wastage of money spent on infrastructure created to make engineer. The equilibrium takes place as and when it has to take. Many good examples are their Qualified CA working as Trustee for NGO an engineer working as Member of Parliament a politician working as CEO of Sport bodies, BCom graduate working as software engineers the list goes on
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lalit shriram raut, Freelancer, Freelancer
| 03 19 2011 11:09:20 +0000
i dont think that ,formal college education wil provide a succesfull engineer . He ll be created as an engineer thru his experience backed by his education , then in this aspect the person who has enough expierience as engineer would never go to a banking sector , as ther eis nothing to be done by an engineer .
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Muhammed Arif, Production Engineer, Bahrain Prism Glass Factory
| 03 19 2011 09:11:46 +0000
hi..all..i am a software engg: for the last 3 years,but when i become a mom,i can't manage my job and baby together...so now i am looking for a bank clerk job...I think the job is secure and also we can get enough time for family..
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vineetha , Software Developer, C-DAC
| 03 19 2011 08:16:55 +0000
In my opinion the jobs and the qualifications are decoupled. If you take the profile of the IIM graduates who take up Banking jobs ( generally they have an IIT engineering and IIM degree)as an indicator, i think there is a large scope for the engineer skills to be used in Banks. However, your question may be engineering graduates taking up banking clerk jobs. In the absence of a forecasting and need for engineering graduates and graduating from institutions with poor infra will only lead to this kind of situation. The question is the expenditure involved in creating the engineering graduate to go for a bank job is justified or not?
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Krishnamurthy Prabhakar, Professor, Velammal Engineering College
| 01 04 2011 04:51:09 +0000
it seems people here are antediluvian,they believe that a person is holding an engg. degree he must go for a job in engg. field only,but what if other jobs are providing better career,good life & future. In this case are engg. not supposed to think about future. Secondly the nation requires stong foundation than it is not only upto engineers,eceryone has witnessed year 2008-09 recession period where tons of engineers did not get job because industries have hit,change your perspective first if you really want to see change in the surrounding..emgg. are supposed to have excellent problem solving skills,analtical power which a person did not even match up,& if the people who are selecting did not have any problem than why others, merely because they feel insecure.
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shivam tiwari, Purchase Executive, ROULUND BRAKING PVT. LTD.
| 01 04 2011 03:42:39 +0000
If one is able to get a job in a bank and that too a govt. bank,I dont find anything wrong in going for it
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vasu , B.Tech/B.E. student,
| 11 22 2010 13:37:43 +0000
Well, what is the required qualification for a Bank job? Everybody here seems to think that a Bank job is simply the teller's jobs or the Customer Service officer's jobs. It is not so. There are so many specialised functions within a Bank - Treasury, Large, Consortium and Syndicated Loans & Advances, Planning, Budgeting, Risk Management, Housing Loans, so on and so forth. And each area requires different skillsets - Engineer's skillsets included. So why is there a doubt about this? Seeing from the other point of view as well, what are the jobs that an engineer has to do? Can somebody please list them out. Again, people here are against people studying multiple disciplines are wasting the country's resources. I certainly dont think so. As a person specialises in different areas, he is able to see different viewpoints and able to give innovative solutions and brings all the fields together.
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Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank
| 10 21 2010 09:43:50 +0000
i wud like to add one more point that if we go with the literal meaning of the word "Engineer" which means " To arrange, manage, or carry through by skillful or artful." E.g. He certainly engineered the election campaign beautifully. So engineering also means skillfully managing the things... and banks do need such people. & the analytical thinking which engineers can exersize is very difficult to find in somebody else.
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Sandeep Kule, Managing Director, Endeavor Finance & Tax Consultant
| 09 26 2010 03:21:45 +0000
i wud like to add one more point that if we go with the literal meaning of the word "Engineer" which means " To arrange, manage, or carry through by skillful or artful." E.g. He certainly engineered the election campaign beautifully. So engineering also means skillfully managing the things... and banks do need such people. & the analytical thinking which engineers can exersize is very difficult to find in somebody else.
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Sandeep Kule, Managing Director, Endeavor Finance & Tax Consultant
| 09 26 2010 03:06:22 +0000
I agree with Natteraja's argument. Without estimation of Engineers, banks can't sanction the loan for housing, Industries etc....
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Shankar , Recruitment, Pace
| 09 24 2010 03:50:18 +0000
Friends you may be aware that in the HO or Regional Head quarters of the banks there is one department called Engineering & Estate department where civil, electrical, maintenance engineers and also architects are there. The Banks need to construct a new branch requires in any of the area or construct staff quarters and all they NEED electrical & civil maintenance by the ENGINEERS. The civil engineers are planning and designing the building/construction, the electrical engineers are planning and designing the electrical installations. So with the help of the Civil & Electrical Engineers accompanied by others the projects are being completed and handed over to the user. After some time again the same Electrical and Civil Engineers are looking after the maintenance of the building. But as for as my knowledge goes, the engineers are not assigned the jobs in day today bank transactions, of course a very few. So friends, every establishments whether banks or anything need engineers. Thanks Dr.Ali Ahmad for the referral.
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NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, GM-Projects, Bentec Electricals & Electronics Pvt. Ltd
| 09 23 2010 18:20:25 +0000
Engineers are serving our country in Indian Administrative Services,Army,Navy,Air Force every where.Engineers are capable to serve the country any where any time.
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R N Bhattacharyya, Freelancer, Freelancer
| 09 23 2010 07:13:34 +0000
Dont go only by the course contents, remeber Engineers has the ANALYTICAL ability where as MBAs has the REASONING ability, and that makes the person working in Banking or Finance field more efficient. I would strongly support engineers to go for banking jobs especially credit operations.
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Sandeep Kule, Managing Director, Endeavor Finance & Tax Consultant
| 09 23 2010 05:06:28 +0000
Engineers working in banks do not count money but mainly they are involved in bank loans applied by industries and various industry/bank related problems.
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R N Bhattacharyya, Freelancer, Freelancer
| 09 21 2010 06:22:09 +0000
Lets come to basic, Is Higher studies means only to sustain good oppotunity by employing in some reputed firm and high profile designation ? The basic concept is gaining knowledge. If this knowledge with logic where basically engineering provides provides value in banking operations then why not. Arent the engineers capable in thinking and doing different ? One should understand that knowledge in discpilne studied should not be engaged in working. Talent in any field should be encourged.
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Cyril , Sr. Engineer Business Excellence
| 09 21 2010 05:37:16 +0000
Engineering is a degree that makes capable of man to work in different areas. We should have a curriculum with basic subjects of engineering for qualifying all graduation course. Let people to work at the field where they can excellence their performance.
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George Varghese, Proprietor, Jecyees
| 09 21 2010 05:21:40 +0000
Present trend is moving from B2B(Business to Business), B2C(Business to Consumers) & now, M2M(Machine to Machine). It does not mater, where an Engineer is working. What maters is how the skills are used. Automation moves in every where, networking tremendously occupies much of the offices, IT goes unprecedented application in all walk of life. Banks are no exception & are not meant to keep mainly ledger/ accounts. We discussed about Mobile purchase RS5000/. Who is to do & monitore the activities. You need engineering skills.
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KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed
| 09 21 2010 01:49:04 +0000
first of all i would say that plz don mention such stupid things " watch 3 idiots movie" as sum1 have mentioned in the no section. dude this is real life and not reel life. ok. here, if u think u r able to get any type of handsome paying job whether in bank or any other damn field ur basic instict will be to go 4 it. since engineers see the opening in banks, they go for it coz they know very well that they have the calculatrion and quantitative ability to clear the exams. engineers clear the job on their on guts and EARN the bank job. those who r on the no side , tell me one thing.. if u were eligible to seat in entrance exam of any high paying technical job, at that point of time will u think, even for once, that i have done b.com,b.a,bsc,bba,etc than why i studied all that to do technical job!!! u all undstood what i meant to say..
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vishwajit , Asst.Engineer, ERDA
| 09 19 2010 20:48:21 +0000
Follow your heart...probably nobody guided you and so you may have landed up doing some damn course for no good reason...and i have seen many cases wherein the candidate is confused which subject to take up at college level and end up doing some junk for which he/she is not interested in...but later on they begin to understand and end up doing something different successfully. It does not happen with just engrs., but in other professions as well... so theres nothing wrong in engrs. ending up in banks if thats where they can excel in...but theres something wrong switching careers too often because you are still confused at this ripe old age...since that question is out of scope here...i support engrs. in a banking job hands down
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Saibal Ray, Sr. Process Engineer, KPIT Cummins Infosystems
| 09 18 2010 07:18:48 +0000
Hi All, To start with, the most successful business leaders in Indian Banking has a background of strong technical Education B.Tech & an MBA (Mostly Many CEO's Namely Ex-ICICI CEO MR. K.V. Kamath.......Its just an example to quote.. In almost more than 60-70 % of the Employees fare Better than the commerce graduage, the reason being their Analytical skills, process improvement and Automation ability to reduce cost, productivity leakage and yeild better results on the whole for an organization These day banks are working on fierce competition, cutting edge technologies and through various levels of compliance adherence. Hence Upgrading and innovative technological solutions is an intergral part of the Banking Industry, Unlike the traditional banking system...... I also understand that there are various depts. where specialized commerce graduate or a CA would only perform and that kind of specialization is a Hot job requirement and should be handled only by respective talent professionals, after all its their professional career choice.. Thereby I agree Banks should considerably have a minimal threshold limit of having Engineers as their employees.. Would appreciate any comments on this!!!!
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Syed Wahabuddin, Process Developer SME/ Team Coach, Genpact
| 09 18 2010 06:52:42 +0000
In a bank an engineer is an asset .In considering large advance proposals the limit of which is fixed by different banks but generally over 1 crore,a technical viability study is mandatory.This is not possible by an MBA even unless he or she has technical/engineering background.A technical study by an engineer gives a lot of courage to managers some of whom may not be highly educated as they have risen from the ranks. In my case as an ex manager of india's fifth largest bank i have greatly benefited with close association with my engineers in handling large proposals and this positively reduces the posibility of slippage, or even NPA's. The only thing required is close coordination with engineers and managers in such cases. Needless to say one of the executive directors of united bank of india in the recent past was a renowned engineer and through his effort many sick advances could be turn around for the benefit of the bank
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Anikendra Home, Head of the Department, Schoo; Of Management,Media &Technological Resarch
| 09 17 2010 11:01:56 +0000
Civil Engineer can Estimate the property Value better. Like that all segments, Bank need SMEs to verify the business. After getting the report from SMEs banks should process the loan. SO, that funding will utilize properly, entrepreneurs get better funding for business. MBBS, BD doctors are working as Software Engineer.
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Shankar , Recruitment, Pace
| 09 17 2010 04:48:35 +0000
yes why not if he/she is capable for work then why engineer should not work in a bank. Before specialized education there is something on which anyone can perform any role. Man is a greatest copier on the earth so ones he she join that environment definitely there will not be any problem for performing a role. Thanks for invitation
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Manmath Patil, Marketing executive
| 09 16 2010 18:30:08 +0000
What you need for a bank job is numerical ability, understanding little of commerce, understanding of English and to follow instructions. This has no relevance to the degree someone holds. So many engineers get into software industry for money and other reasons. Their knowledge in the particular specialisation might not get used and will slowly get lost. In our society, we are more bothered about family and societal compulsions and commercial considerations become the priority than job satisfaction or knowledge contribution. We should De-link degrees from jobs and skills developed alone should matter for any profession.
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s.kathirvel , Principal Associate/Residential Director, AAMPL
| 09 16 2010 14:18:32 +0000
if an engineer justifies his job as a clerk ..why not as a cashier :: p. o in a bank .. you know :: job security is the greatest security better than life security .. at least one can sleep sans pink : red : yellow cards .
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Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu
| 09 16 2010 11:23:33 +0000
In my opinion if an engineer is working in a bank,,he could be more productive than a simple graduate. And if a person is both an engineer and a management graduate then he could be produdctive as well as effective. Now every bank processes are automated,,and hardly any manual work is done.So bank staffs need to be technically expert. They must deliver their work fast. You can feel its need when you go to any nationalized bank in our country. If their is any defect in their system they call technicians to curb it. Imagine if they would have been self sufficient how much time would have been saved as well as customer would have been also satisfied.
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Tarun Raj, Junior Software Engineer , Discoverture Solutions
| 09 16 2010 10:20:41 +0000
See we can chose the education with an influence of various factors but when we start working than only we are able to know our true potential so wat i believe that its hardly matter what short of education u have taken but its matter a lot in which job u r feeling comfortable. Bill gates & warren buffet are the great example of this philosophy bcoz they hav choosen the path what they like not on the basis of what they have learnt
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Tejaswi Dubey, CEO, Aastha HR Solution/www.aasthahrsolutiuon.com
| 09 16 2010 08:59:48 +0000
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Thanks for refer Sheetal, Agree with your view it is not justified but it is the most common occurrence of these days, that mechanical or automobile or other engineers opt to go for software development or do MBA and change track. This is happening much more frequently and gaining. The sole aim appears to earn more and fast that is all. Companies take advantage of simply picking pre-screened brains.
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Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India
| 10 25 2010 05:06:34 +0000
Very unfair The crux os issue is that many engineering colleges produce engineers that are not good enough.They cant compete with those fron NITs & other premier colleges.Near 20% of Engineers dont find jobs.So they have to go somewhere why not banks
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vikas Bhardwaj, Head/VP/GM-Corporate Advisory, Saksham
| 10 24 2010 10:20:08 +0000
Yes Anand, I am in agreement of the thought that students should see beyond what industry wants them to see. But seeing beyond is something which is probably known to them but they are not willing to accept. They are running in a mad race where the first thing that they are not sure is their own Caliber so they run for engineering and after getting a degree there they run for management and when they do not find a right fitment they join whatever they get. Yes SRIRAM if at all a person is efficient he / she is likely to adept fast but then would core competence have a relevance. Wouldn’t those people who have opted for this stream surpass retarding such guy’s growth? What is not Justified is not justified.
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Prassan Kumar Sharma, AVP, Nirmal Bang Securities
| 09 26 2010 14:19:21 +0000
For god sake its like well i am not getting job as an engneer so lets get into a Bank. For risk analysis or estimating as some people have questioned above there are many consulting agencies to consult with. An engneer would give consulting for projects the a Pro but there are many con's especially when it comes to management and ecnomics related task.
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Sarabjeet Singh Johar, BMS student, Mumbai University
| 09 26 2010 06:48:31 +0000
Yes. But when qualified finance professionals with MBA and commerce backgrounds shift from one vertical to another, say from being a corporate financial analyst to equity reseach or investment banking its not accepted. I think its just a hypocracy and partiality towards science guys or guys from Ivy League. This should change. I will support for the above if industry supports my arguement.
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V. Sridhar, Lead Consultant, Fast Growing Professional Training Co
| 09 21 2010 06:17:06 +0000
Anand I agree with you. One should have a clear idea ehat s/he wantt to become in life and after doing engineering one should ideally concentrate on that aspect of job. Yes side by side one can further persue studies on correspondence to make him upto date, if required.
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Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant
| 09 21 2010 05:31:54 +0000
If profesional are not not taking themselves as profesional in their feild, then why they waste money time and service class. If some one focus to be a engineer, he/she develops interest but later looking to the pay back up they shift in the banks. Its very poor mentality to run behind money without reaping your own style and skills. Even the Banks HR are fools to hire these fellows. Further if pay is concerned engineers can do a lot, See the contruction demand, Capital goods demand, Infra demand, Auto demand and many many more. Yes the salary jack up will build some time. At the certain age and experiance the engineer employees shall be in top of management, but I dont think the engineers will be in top at management level in Banks though made money. Further Engineers are well capable to start their own business even. The engineers at bank will hardly be able to utilise its skills lateron. In developed market the lower segment job is having better ratio income compare to higher post job responsibility. If income is concerned for employees then one should even turn to low profile positioning. So for scales measurements to Accounting is a bad practice of Engineers and deceeding the qualifiation too. If these happen, we may see Doctors to be the next managers, MBA`s to be the docters Accountan in Reception. Receptionist to be as director etc. etc. Saying, !!!! So what we have the skills to prove it !!! We dont need institutions.
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Jyoti CHETANI, Freelancer, Equity Research/Analytics
| 09 21 2010 05:05:55 +0000
yes sheetal , Exactly ,If the one is going to MBA after B.E by the reason only that for Masters , then thy are wrong , for masters they can also go for ME/ MS......their are many courses available related to management level in ME/MS.....
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BHAVSAR ANISH, INDUSTRIAL ENGINEER (MS), MECHANICAL ENGINEER (BE)
| 09 17 2010 18:00:19 +0000
Yes Mr.Anand, I have seen some of the Electrical & Electronics Engineers working in HR Dept. and Many of the Asset managers are from IIT/ NITs managing the Mutual funds, I feel that it may be due to lack of Goal setting or changing their choices mid way or Going with the wind. After all,for survival one should need to do something and earn money this might be a reason.
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Srinivas S.Mantrala, PMP, Executive Engineer, A.P.S.Police Housing Corporation
| 09 17 2010 08:34:44 +0000
No, not at all justified. In fact by opting for other job, he has wasted country's money and a valuable engineering seat which some one else in need could have utilized. It also raises question marks on his ability.
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Suresh Prasad Gupta, Freelancer, Pharmaceuticals
| 09 17 2010 06:42:51 +0000
I suport Sheetal's view, but any engineers don't want to go in Bank Job, but right now they are joining cause of compulsion because recently recession has changed the ways of engineers. but i think engineers are creative so he should give his/her talent on same field. This can be more productive.
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Sharad Gupta, Software Developer, Tripura Technologies, Hyderabad
| 09 17 2010 05:30:48 +0000
being an engineer i dont think its right. if someone has a technical degree and he is moving in a nontech field then its complete waste. if the idea is to have a government job then even large number of technical options are avilable
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Ashish Anand, student, shree institue of science and technology
| 09 16 2010 21:31:29 +0000
Individuals should be able to utilize the knowledge gained through a course of study by applying it to their work and improving their wisdom through experience over a period of time. A course of study is basically a focus on improving the knowledge of an individual through a theoretical/practical course framework. In order to be effective, these skills need to be applied in the daily work. It is preferable to focus on a specific line of work in which the original study has been undertaken.....
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Badri N Srinivasan, Head - Quality, Valtech India Systems Pvt. Ltd.
| 09 16 2010 14:44:01 +0000
I'm not in support with them. Most of my friends are talking about job security, i want to said them if ur job satisfactions are not there why u r all looking for that. as well as what ever you learn in engineering you can't apply in bank job then why you learn engineering? if a person's motto is bank job then why not join in banking course? it's more useful then engineering, in this sector. as well as time , money saver also......
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sanjib chowdhury, MBA/PGDM student, EIILM
| 09 16 2010 13:28:36 +0000
No doubt it is a good topic to discuss but what is important is THE JOB and not weather he / she is academically qualified. Today the scenario is one that of employment and not any other factor.
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sudhakar , BUSINESS CONSULTANT
| 09 16 2010 12:15:47 +0000
I'm not in agreement with this. If one has to to work in a bank then why the hell they have to study engineering. Its a utter waste of time & money. Many individuals are acting like fools who do an engineering then go for an MBA & other studies & finally land up in banks & other institutes..
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Sheetal Bhandari, BE student, PSG College of Technology Coimbatore
| 09 16 2010 07:38:36 +0000
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