Yes, there is a dire need that faculty be assessed by the students. How can we question the maturity of professional course students who are clear in their expectations? Are students in the premier institutions different from their counterparts in other lesser known institutes? I believe the students at UG and PG level are knowledgeable enough to be able to know what they expect and put forth an unbiased assessment. The process needs to be more detailed whereby the parameters for judging the faculty need to be precise with no ambiguity, such as content knowledge, methodology of teaching, using of live examples, involving students in discussions, etc. The assessment sheets then need to be viewed objectively by senior management of the institutes to overcome any amount of bias or misunderstanding on part of the students. Another point to be made here after reading conversations between two esteemed members... let's keep this forum for meaningful discussions without getting personal, regional, etc. Let's be mature enough to accept the other point of view without taking it at a personal level....
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Inderpal Singh, Director - Academics and Admissions, MILE - Management Institute for Leadership and Excellence
| 08 09 2011 09:10:15 +0000
The students in college are able to elect Government for the country but they do not have any role in the decision making process of the education system ? there is no explanation to this fact . Incredible India Indeed !
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Ranjeet Kumar, B.Tech Mech. Engg,Kurukshetra University
| 07 22 2011 19:56:55 +0000
It is teachers responsibility to make even difficult subjects understandable to student ,many professors only make xerox of textbook on black board , whether student r mature or not , they can very well understand that who teaches well and who teaches badly
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Amit Pandey, Embedded Engineer, Electronics
| 07 22 2011 10:35:49 +0000
Why do we have a negative image of student ? The Assessment, if introduced,will enhance the quality of education in the country ? Every process has some negative aspects. So, we should not be guided solely by negative side ? I call for a balanced approach. We are living in world where there is no guru shishya parampra.A student in any professional institute is a consumer not a shishya who can cannot question Guru. Due to this, he/she has right to assess the quality of service ? Thsi should not be taken as an attempt to dishonour Faculty or those involved in education ?
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Ranjeet Kumar, B.Tech Mech. Engg,Kurukshetra University
| 07 22 2011 10:00:31 +0000
I have received reference from Roland Associates,perhaps to review my comments. As a matter of facts,there is nothing wrong in allowing the students for assessment of faculties. Way back in the year 1983, I attended the refresher course in 'welding technology' at M/s Advani Oerlikon Ltd., Mumbai.There was a system of assessment of faculties and we had to submit feed back every day. There are Universities around the world where the system of feed back exist,possibly in India too.In order to promote a student-centered approach in the classroom, several times during the course feed back from the students could be obtained. But this feed back must be a tool for improvement and must not be used to fire the faculties or to victimize them.
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Mohammad Bakhsh, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, Freelancer
| 07 22 2011 04:08:05 +0000
@Munshi, and what is this about my kerala ? First of all Kerala doesnt belong to me and neither do i come from kerala. Also Kerala is not representative of india ! Please give proper examples if possible.
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Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group
| 07 04 2011 08:43:39 +0000
@ Munshi, I never claimed casteism or religious divide is absent in our society. I am against this very division and i for one beleive things would be set in the right perspective if the words religion and caste are removed from application forms be it for a school/college or a job. Caste based reservation aka the mandal commission has committed the greatest sin and pushed india backwards. Instead there should be reservation only for poor candidates irrespective of where they come from and whom they pray to. As for you, my point was that whatever said and done, we as individuals can start by being neutral irrespective of how people or things around us are. Your examples of all the killings are outside the education system whereas the topic here is on the education system, so you seem to be the one jumping the gun. If your children in their infant stage kick you or just slap your face, do you catch the child and beat it black or blue ? No right! I am advocating the same approach, just becuase someone is doing it, if all of us roam around with the revenge mentality, things will never settle down and we will always be at each others throat ! The Britishers called us dogs ! so have we dismantled all the isntitutions or infrastructures built by them ? No ! If your answer is yes, then we should have burnt down the howrah bridge, dismantled the indian railways and so on. Why we shouldnt even be having the Taj Mahal or the qutab minar for that matter as they were all built by the moghul invaders who ruled over us. People like you need to grow up and stop spreading hatred at some point of time otherwise you will not leave behind much of a country for your kids to enjoy ! Instead you will have anarchy and hatred reigning. Lastly your contention of assessment in higher educational insitutions on religious grounds is highly irrational as the success of IIM's and IIT's and numerous other institutions would prove.
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Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group
| 07 04 2011 07:47:36 +0000
@ Munshi, this is the very view that divides our country on religious and fanatical grounds. Please keep your politics to yourself and dont permeate it to the college level at least. What you have described here is nothing but a figment of your imagination. I dont think our professors evaluate students on religious grounds and it holds good for all religious institutions. No, evaluation of students in colleges be it private or govt. owned is not done by management but by professors who are well educateed and not class 5 pass. I wonder where you did your education or did you do it in the first place ?
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Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group
| 07 03 2011 15:50:23 +0000
Yes certainly man, those students are sharing a big part or rather most of the share in the faculty's livelihood or "salary". Moreover the faculty are not regular professional teachers like those in schools and colleges they are just faculty so there is no traditional boundaries or ethical restriction too. I support it wholeheartedly and I must appreciate this effort by dear friend Mr. Ranjeet Kumar................ A great round of applause for such a great topic.
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Ardhendu Pal, Upgrading Knowledge Base, Researching in Computer Software/Hardware
| 07 01 2011 21:05:46 +0000
Yes i totally agree with this.The real evaluation of a teacher can only be done by a student.A student can tell exactly what he is learning actually and how much capable the teacher is.Actually both are in a cycle,teacher can better tell how student is doing,his performance and learning skill in the same manner student can tell about the teaching skills of his teacher.
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piyush sharma, Software Developer, Navyug InfoSolutions Private Limited
| 06 05 2011 19:06:06 +0000
Yes, Why not, but only at a PG level. The reason being, most of the students who just pass out from their 12th are still yet to come out of their intermediate days and not good enough to assess their faculties. Once they experience the UG level, they begin to assess their ownself and start worrying about their career and hence begin to take faculty assessment seriously. There are already some institutes that allow faculty assessment by students at PG level. There should be a 360 degrees feedback to faculty members that includes students to ensure that the students and the faculty are compatible with each other in all respects - all for sake of the career of the students themselves.
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Saibal Ray, Sr. Process Engineer, KPIT Cummins Infosystems
| 06 05 2011 08:49:52 +0000
Suitable methods can be devised to ensure non-biased opinion. The students can be made to sit separately and assess on a scale of 1 to 10 traits such as course content, presentation skills, consistency of thoughts and speech, body language, pronunciation, ascent, body language etc. etc. The scores can be added up and can be treated as indicative. Absurd or inconsistent results can be ignored.
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Pradeep Saran, Technical Expert
| 06 05 2011 05:40:51 +0000
Most certainly why not and it should be kept through the secret ballot model where names of individuals are not revealed. With the amount of fees that students have to pay nowadays not just faculty but even the entire administration wing of the college should come under the scanner. We have seen many instances where hostels serve sub-standard food to their inmates despite collecting huge fees. One such example that readily comes to my mind are the IIT's. Where living conditions and food are sub-standard and protest is unheard of becuase the assessment is internal. So students are afraid to show their dissent. IIT gets away with it becuase the fee they charge is not exhorbitant but that doesnt mean it shouldnt be rated by its students. The very idea of sudents rating the faculty and college is another step towards democracy as end users always have a right to rate the product or service for which they are paying.
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Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group
| 06 04 2011 16:48:17 +0000
Yes, i agree for this because they have more capable than the existed faculty in most of the colleges. Let observe when u get a doubt on any subject in engineering college then those students will ask the topper or inteligent students than the respective lecture because they know they don't have that ability to teach that subject. Experiance is not important, the passion, communication skills and subject grip is more important
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arun kumar.B, Product Executive, MISPORT MANUFACTURING PVT.LTD
| 06 04 2011 15:31:28 +0000
The students should be given the oppurtinity to assess teachers.A well academic may not be always a good teacher.The teacher should have the potentiality and quality to make the subject easy,understandable and importantly intersting to the students.Thus one ordinary merited person can be a good teacher.If students assess, they can suggest the way for the improvement of performance of teacher beacause end of the day the future lives of students will matter.
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Sabyasachi Dasgupta, Project Manager, Ajayraj constructions Pvt Ltd
| 06 04 2011 08:26:20 +0000
Yes, a student can assess the concerned faculty in professional education. Normally, a student assess the faculty based on the treatment he got in the class or outside the class. This is not correct. If this factory is eliminated then assessing a faculty by a student is correct.
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Kumara Swamy, Project Associate, IIIT-H
| 06 04 2011 07:47:16 +0000
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What I am saying if asked to assess a negative assessment will be done by most of the students since while assessing one should take both positive and negative attributes of faculty but I am of the strong opinion it will not be done this way. Once decided, the students should be given at least 2 to 3 years by which time maturity develops by way of discussions among students.
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Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant
| 07 22 2011 05:30:57 +0000
Both the statements are true and there is a chance of bias too in both the cases. It depends on the class of faculty and students who would assess each other.
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Mohan Murari, Marketing Manager, Confidential
| 07 04 2011 14:24:54 +0000
and what is this about my kerala ? Alright, then it must be tamil nadu. I'll pull out something from there...don't worry. I am against this very division and i for one beleive things would be set in the right perspective if the words religion and caste are removed from application forms be it for a school/college or a job Good thinking but of no use..... Instead there should be reservation only for poor candidates irrespective Again, good thinking. Your examples of all the killings are outside the education system whereas the topic here is on the education system, so Bad thinking...what happens in society will disturb everything including education. you seem to be the one jumping the gun You didn't understand what i wrote...never mind I am advocating the same approach, just becuase someone is doing it, if all of us roam around with the revenge mentality, things will never settle down and we will always be at each others throat ! If religious fanatics were to put a gun on your head will you still say the same thing?? No! Why we shouldnt even be having the Taj Mahal or the qutab minar Well, they pulled down babri masjid. People like you need to grow up and stop spreading hatred at some point of time otherwise When your finger is cut, you will know the true pain. Till then, any tom,dick and harry can preach.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 04 2011 10:25:48 +0000
@Raghavan - satisfied or do you want more examples of how much "caste" and "religion" is embedded into Indian lives? Caste and religion are the biggest bottlenecks in the educational system in india. Without addressing it, no amount of faculty evaluation will do any good.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 04 2011 05:31:13 +0000
Another example of Raghavan's united "India": Suresh Chandra Pandey's mutilated body was discovered more than a year ago, less than half a mile from his mud and stone house in the sleepy village of Nunnar, some 220 miles south-east of Delhi. It was a violent execution-style killing; the 50-year-old farm labourer was hung up, shot in the chest and finally had his arms removed from the elbow joints. Everyone knows who the murderers are, say his family, but the killers have not been brought to justice. The police, the local administration and the local MP will not lift a finger to help, they add. "They are all from the same caste. They are all Yadavs and they control everything here," said his wife, Annadevi, 40. "They have left me with nothing and my children with no father. We are just poor people." Villagers say the gruesome attack was a "warning" not to challenge the Yadav caste, the local land-owning elite. "Suresh had argued with some Yadavs before a wedding in our village. That is why they killed him," said Pandey's elder brother, Ashwani. "We are being told not to fight back."
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 04 2011 05:22:50 +0000
Another example from Raghavan's Kerala: It was a Taliban-model court Darul Khada which ordered the chopping off the palm of a Malayalam professor of Newman's College, Kerala, recently. The shocking revelation had come during the interrogation of Popular Front activist.The professor was accused of preparing an internal question paper for second year B Com students of the college, which outraged the Muslim community, who found it defamatory to Prophet Mohammed. A group of eight persons, allegedly members of the Popular Front of India had waylaid the professor and chopped his palm. Anyway - This incident shows how united, pious,nice,brainy and educated are the people of Kerala......hipocracy at its best
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 03 2011 16:59:32 +0000
In Raghavan's Kerala: The number of upper caste people killed in kerala by lower caste in the name of communist up rising and naxalism between 1940 and 1980 is a four or five digit number. The upper caste population is steadily declining in kerala year after year because the harassment from lower caste (this claim is based on census). BUT, Mr. Raghavan says that my view is the cause of division in India - hipocracy, what else can I say.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 03 2011 16:41:04 +0000
Here is a news about unity from Raghavan's Kerala.AK Ramakrishnan, a low-caste civil servant in Kerala, has complained that his office, furniture and even his car had been washed with cow dung (FILE)
Officials in the Indian state of Kerala said on Tuesday they had ordered a probe into claims that the office of a low-caste civil servant was "cleansed" with cow dung after he retired. AK Ramakrishnan, who retired at the end of March as an inspector general in the southern state's ministry of registration and fisheries, complained to the Kerala Human Rights Commission that his office, furniture and even his car had been washed with cow dung water when he left.
Ramakrishnan belongs to the dalit, or "untouchable" community that inhabits the lowest rung of India's caste system.
"On the day of my retirement, some of my colleagues burst crackers outside my office as I had taken serious steps against their corrupt practices, and on April 1, they cleansed my office and vehicle" with dung, Ramakrishnan told AFP.
There are many more incidents like this. The opposite is also true. There are plenty of attacks like this from the lower caste against the upper caste. Like this, I can pick plenty of examples from other states too. And, our right reverend His excellency holy Bishop Jaygopal Raghavan says that Iam the cause for the division seen in India today.....double standards and hipocracy at its best.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 03 2011 16:32:40 +0000
In Mr.Raghavan's Kerala - the total number of working days lost due to student politics is on an average of 20 to 30 days per academic year. Most government owned campuses in his state temple of violence, murder and hate and Mr Raghavan is preaching the good news of not to "permeate it to the college level". What more should I permeate? The total amount of money lost due to public property destruction in the past 1 month due to a state wide strike by student organization stands at 8 to 10 lakh rupees and Mr. Raghavan says that all these are my "imagination". Educated Indians who reads local news papers and online news will understand that Mr.Raghavan's argument is a "joke".
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 03 2011 16:22:27 +0000
Mr.Raghavan comes from a state where every caste, sub caste and its subcaste has colleges and schools. Why do they want to run these institutions if your state was not divided on religion and caste? He is from kerala and the prominent education providers in kerala are the nair service society, catholic church, protestant church,muslim educational society, sndp trust, pulayar sabha, etc etc etc and Mr. Raghavan is preaching the good news of unity here - double standards and hipocracy at its best.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 03 2011 16:04:37 +0000
@Raghavan: @ Munshi, this is the very view that divides our country on religious and fanatical grounds. Yes, it will divide, it is already divided, why blame me? Please keep your politics to yourself and dont permeate it to the college level at least. I will think about it. What you have described here is nothing but a figment of your imagination Looks like you are a fanatic. This is not imagination, this is what is happening. Why should we hide it? I dont think our professors evaluate students on religious grounds and it holds good for all religious institutions. But the reality is far away from your thinking. No, evaluation of students in colleges be it private or govt. owned is not done by management but by professors who are well educateed and not class 5 pass. Please read what I have written, carefully. Don't jump the gun. I wonder where you did your education or did you do it in the first place ? That is exactly what I thought about you after I read your post.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 03 2011 16:00:13 +0000
I am not in fav of this. I think it is the job of the learned people to judge it and the so called matured students are "NOT MATURED enough"as maturity comes by experience and hardwork.
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anuradha , Education Coordinator, A to Z Technologies
| 07 02 2011 09:50:15 +0000
This is not possible in India, because: a). We know how a muslim faculty will be evaluated by a die-hard hindu fanatic student and the opposite/vice- versa. b).We know how a economically poor faculty will be evaluated by a rich student and vice-versa c). We know how a faculty from south india will be evaluated by a student in the north and vice-versa About half the number of colleges/universities in India are privately owned. The people who decide on student evaluations are basically from the management. The so called managers are illiterates or class-5 pass. How can they make a decision when they don't understand anything written in the student evaluation forms. In a country where everything from father,mother, marks and god can be bought for a few hundred rupees, faculty evaluation will be a 'joke'. People might say that I am pessimistic but remember that faculty evaluation is not free. By trying to be optimistic, god is not going to send this money from heaven. Hence - Faculty assessment is good but too early to introduce in India.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 07 02 2011 07:34:04 +0000
Yes Sheetal I will go with you on the subject. Probably the grounds should be created now and may be put in practice some time later say by 2015. If the future students know about this I think most of them will mature and do a proper assessment by that time.
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Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant
| 06 06 2011 05:30:29 +0000
Hey Mr. Arun Kumar, It is ok. At exceptional situation either you or I always seek guidance from anyone near-by. It does not mean that, he will assess my performance. Knowledge is not kept in closed domain. It is always shared. No need to feel inferior to ask for explanation. Mutually sharing knowledge is good, thats why we say go for "Group study". ONE'S KNOWLEDGE CAN BE SUPPLEMENTED OR COMPLIMENTED TO EACH OTHER IN GROUP STUDY. But,for that reason, it is not at all advisable to assess a teacher. Learner needs to concentrate on his pursuit of knowledge from all sources irrespective of place or people. This enrich ones' intelligence & skill.
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KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed
| 06 04 2011 16:45:37 +0000
I Believe, the question put up on the portal is by one of sufferer during his study, may be there are cases where in the faculties couln't give the best as expected by students. but that does not enhance the assessment capabilities of students to asses others. students are pre-matured learners and that why student gets irretated when they do not get good guidance. the ask for assesment gets null and void as soon as they cross study borders ..but infact this ask remains as it is where ever people go.so in my views students can demand for good guide if they do not get appropriate help but assessment for the faculty i do not support
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Surya Prakash Pandey, Solution Architect, Telco, IBM India Pvt. Ltd.
| 06 04 2011 11:03:07 +0000
I doubt the capabilities of students assessing the faculty. As a visiting faculty for MBA in a University college, its my experience that they are not that matured I believe. Even after giving them opportunity to probe, they just keep quite. In a professional course, student teacher interaction is required. But they confine to listening.
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Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.
| 06 04 2011 09:54:35 +0000
Thanks for referral Ms. Sheetal Badari, Learner needs to be disciplined & exercise the mind in the learning process. There are so many technological inventions are made available to help assist learning. Perhaps, these can supplement once learning from the learning centre. Crossing the silver-line of Teacher-Learner, makes disrespect to the community. And, in India a Guru is placed very next to Father( Mother, Father & Guru). Whatsoever, intelligent the students are & the leaning environ be changed, a Learner needs to concentrate on his learning & not to criticize the Master(Teacher). Of course, in every curriculum, there is a feed-back system in vogue. Students can reflect their opinion & submit for improvement, if the Faculty concerned feels deemed fit for the students community. I do not advocate Faculty assessment by students for any college- be it profession or non-professional.
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KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed
| 06 04 2011 09:32:13 +0000
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