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Created by : Ted Green, President, Bikini Computers  | 10 16 2008 19:58:47 +0000
Industry : AutomobileFunctional Area : USA(Markets)
Keywords : Fuel Versus Hydro Gasoline
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As our ecominics unravel , the companies that have the largest to gain are the fuel and power companies across the globe. The question is , do we support alternative fuel concepts like hydro-fuel or do we keep sticking with gasoline , and or why.
 
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I agree with you Ted but first we have to examine all aspects involved in making this transition become a reality which includes political, economical, environmental, and safety issues. Till then I cannot see a future for hydro-fuel. Moreover Hydrogen is a gas, a highly explosive gas. How do we store it safely in a vehicle ???
By Sarika Pal, Product Development Manager, Tata Motors  10 17 2008 06:06:41 +0000
 
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I think we need to reach outside the box and relook at what can not be done and find a way. We have started contest for inventors to compete for prizes. Will have to add containment ! I still think and know it can be done. If FORD and BMW already have vehicles, those vehicles have fuel cells already designed, and containment fuel chambers, aka tanks installed. Would be great to share that containment technology with others to increase opertunity and produce a new fuel alternative.

 


By Ted Green, President, Bikini Computers  10 19 2008 04:35:41 +0000
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yes even i agree with vivek on this that all over the world there is no proper infrastructure to produce hydrogen fuel on a large scale and nobody is doing anything at the moment to develop this technology apart from car manufacturers coming out with hybrid cars, so this to become large scale like gasoline will not happen for the next 2 decades, so one will stick to gasoline for the time being, but Hydro-fuel is a good concept as others have mentioned if we can convert the most abundant resource of this planet which is water, then we can cut down on the Green house effect caused by pollution from vehicles.


By Sudeep Tarafdar, Senior Consultant, IBM  | 03 09 2009 05:53:18 +0000
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I don't think there is infrastructure at the moment to produce Hydro-fuel at the moment, and infrastructure will happen if there are more number of such cars on the road and one can't see that happening for another 10 years as only basic models of these cars have been in developing by very few companies like the Mercedes and BMW and Honda to name, so Hydro-fuel to come into picture has a very long time, but then electricity powered vehicles are coming into picture, may be these help in less Co2 emissions. So for the moment Gasoline is good.


By Vivek Sharma, Product Development Manager, Maruti  | 03 09 2009 05:42:05 +0000
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The benefits of ditching gasoline for hydrogen are many, of course but according to me there are two main hurdles stand in the way of mass production and widespread consumer adoption of hydro fuel: the still high cost of producing hydro fuel, and the lack of a hydrogen refueling network. Major oil companies have been loathe to set up hydrogen tanks at existing gas stations for many reasons ranging from safety to cost to lack of demand & if this things are dealt than it might took off....


By Soma Gupta, Product Development Manager, Reliance Petroleum  | 10 18 2008 06:21:57 +0000
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Interesting debate guys !!! ,hydro-fuel to compete with gasoline in a global market will help the prices to go down for sure. Coming on to the debate,hydrogen powered vehicles already exist but I agree with Sarika that no container yet developed can fully contain hydrogen, nor totally prevent it from leaking. Hydrogen is dangerous and all but impossible to store, safely or otherwise. What's your call on this TED...


By Manish Agrawal, Product Development Manager, Maruti  | 10 17 2008 06:44:33 +0000
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I think that hydro fuel is much better option than gasoline.There are various advantages of it like:

More Horsepower and Better Performance The water gas injection has 5 times the energy potential of regular gasoline.

A cleaner environment By using much less fuel to travel the same distance, you are greatly decreasing the amount of pollution your vehicle creates.

A Cleaner Engine The hydrogen/oxygen water gas mixture does not create carbon when it burns so there’s no build up, it also cleans up existing carbon deposits.


By Padmaja Baskar, Product Development Manager, ONGC  | 04 29 2009 11:18:38 +0000
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Hi praveen,I garee with you.Using hydrogen fuel has nany benefits.Most obvious are savings on gasoline. Today's gas prices present a huge drain on the economy and have impacts far beyond what is directly felt at the pump. The increased cost of fuel is felt across the board from higher prices passed on by producers seeking to cover increased transportation and production costs.Seconly using hydrogen fuel will also save our environment because use of gasoline has contributed a lot in the global warming.


By Priyank Tewari, Product Development Manager, Reliance Petroleum  | 04 14 2009 09:01:15 +0000
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Hi Deepti,

I agree with your comment but wish to inform you that water is not available in enough qunatity specially the sweet water. Let me tell you that the next big war will be for the water only.

Regards

Praveen


By Praveen varma, Sr Manager, Reliance Industries  | 03 11 2009 10:37:39 +0000
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Hi Ted,

Yes that is correct we need to have out of box thinking and should think about overunity by forgetting the old concept of energy. It is alreay being proven by many scientist. Please look into PESN Wiki in google and look for surpassed technologies.

Regards

Praveen varma

www.fuelsavedevices.com


By Praveen varma, Sr Manager, Reliance Industries  | 03 11 2009 10:34:17 +0000
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Hi Isha,

I agree with  you. It is high time to save our planet and save the environment else it will be too late.

Regards

Praveen varma

www.fuelsavedevices.com


By Praveen varma, Sr Manager, Reliance Industries  | 03 11 2009 10:31:46 +0000
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Hi Vivek,

You dont need to have the infrastructure for running the car on Hydrogen. Please refer to my comment on Sarika's response.

Regards

Praveen varma

0,9324289504


By Praveen varma, Sr Manager, Reliance Industries  | 03 11 2009 10:28:44 +0000
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Hi Manish,

Please refer to my comment on Sarika's response. This will have answer for your query about the safety and other issues.

Regards

Praveen


By Praveen varma, Sr Manager, Reliance Industries  | 03 11 2009 10:26:07 +0000
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Hi Sarika,

I think it is high time to forget about the political, economical etc etc issues. I agree with the safety and environmental issues.

To my mind the water is the next generation fuel and it is already proven by many researcher. But unfortunately these researchers has not been allowed to advance this technology. You may search for Daniel Dingel, Stan Meyer, Ravi Raju etc etc.

The concept of using the Hydrogen on the car by storing it is totally a wrong concept and oil companies are trying to promote it. It is simply because they want their gas station to keep on running and they keep on making the huge profits. All we need to do is that we need to have a system on the car, which either fracture the water into Hydrogen and Oxygen just before we need these gases or burn the water directly.

Daniel Dingle could generate the necessary quantity of the gas when it was needed by the engine. However Stan Meyer could burn the water directly using special Water fuel injectors. So it is not tough and no safety issues are involved.

Today the world energy expert are thinking making the Hydrogen gas by Hydrocarbon carcking and not considering the water as fuel. Unfortunately the USA department of engery anual report does not include water as source of Hydrogen. The approach of generating Hydrogen using Hydrocaron is generating CO / CO2 as by product. So at one place we are eleminating the pollution and at other place we are polluting the environment. So where is the difference.

I am involved in the research of using water as fuel. So far I have a device by which the mileage of the car can be increased by around 20-40% also it reduces the harmful gases concentration from exhaust by around 50-70%. The device I have made has given excellent results specially with Tata cars. You can view the details on www.fuelsavedevices.com . The device I have made is so simple and generates the Hydroxy gas on demand i.e. it generates when it is required and consumed immidately hence no need to store.

So please forget all the issues related to political, economical etc etc and think only about the environmental and sfaety issue.

Finally I would like to say that the WATER IS THE FUEL FOR NEXT GENERATION.

Regards

Praveen varma, India, 0.9324289504

 


By Praveen varma, Sr Manager, Reliance Industries  | 03 11 2009 10:22:04 +0000
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It is said that oil supply will run out in few decades. So its the time to use the hydrogen for running cars which uses water to generate electric to power the car...Since water is available in abundance go for it and make use of it..


By Deepti Behl, Product Development Manager, Maruti  | 03 09 2009 12:28:06 +0000
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This might be useful... 


By Deepak Bezbaruah, Product Development Manager, Maruti  | 10 23 2008 08:20:08 +0000
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definitely we should go for hydro-fuel, the world consist of 70% water and world can best utilize water resource for the next thousands of years to come. With the main source of energy being hydrogen derived from water, Hydro Fuel's liquid fuel is probably the best answer to the world's troubles today.....
By Dayanand Deshpande, Senior Consultant, Ernst & Young  | 10 20 2008 10:02:44 +0000
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I agree with Alan & TED, We have to figure a way out & resolve this gasoline problem. And why run on the worlds harsh fuels and deplete our ozone ever day? With hydro, we can produce an viable hydro-fuel solution, which can save our air and our wallet...
By Isha Verma, Sales/BD Manager, Larsen & Toubro  | 10 20 2008 07:08:23 +0000
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By Ted Green, President, Bikini Computers  | 10 19 2008 05:25:45 +0000
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alternate fuel is a must of the future generation
By Vinayarajan KV, Head/VP/GM-Sales, EP Tech  | 10 18 2008 04:02:59 +0000
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Manish & Sarika, Hydrogen use for cars does not require that it be stored. A car can generate it's own hydrogen by using the alternator and a water/lye mixture to separate the hydrogen atoms from the air atoms in water. Since hydrogen has more energy than gasoline one can run more than 3 times further on hydrogen & also one can drive car either by hydrogen by itself or with gasoline/hydrogen mix and reduce the cost per mile and the pollution generated. I see this as a total win win situation......
By Deepak Bezbaruah, Product Development Manager, Maruti  | 10 17 2008 14:00:05 +0000
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I support an alternative fuel covering 70 percent of the globe, that can be recycled.

 


By Ted Green, President, Bikini Computers  | 10 16 2008 19:58:47 +0000
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