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Created by : SUDHIR.JAI , BCA student, MDU ROHATK  | 02 13 2010 03:57:47 +0000
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Interesting Debate Mr.Sudhir

Today, caste system is one of the biggest impediments in the path of India’s success as a country. This system makes the power and resources of country divided. Also, the existence of hierarchical caste system causes disharmony and gives rise to hatred among common people. Political leaders have actually deteriorated the condition by playing their dirty games of making the caste an issue of elections. It is an open secret that in many places across the country, the votes are cast , keeping in mind the caste of the candidate, rather than his or her work in the direction of development. The intermingling of caste and politics has played a havoc with the progress of the nation.

The problem lies in the mindset of the country on the whole and hence require more humanitarian steps rather than political gimmicks of caste-games and reservations. It requires a genuine youth-oriented government aided drive across the nation by the help of electronic and print media apart from a personal awareness campaign to make people understand the principle of equality. There can be no drastic change such as the abolition of caste system, but at least its retrogressions can be removed slowly. There must be dignity of labor to streamline these classes into the general public.


By Archana Singh, Relationship Executive, ICICI Bank  02 13 2010 07:32:44 +0000
 
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Ma be you disagree with me but you should know that most of dalit families are above the basic income group and still they are using the reservation which is not good for the person who is actually in need because of his /her economic conditions.

 


By R.K.MALHOTRA , Investment Advisor, WORKING FREELANCE  02 15 2010 12:51:37 +0000
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The CASTISM has been created on old days based on assigned job.Strong poeple taken good JOBS.Weekers got Hard working jobs and little uggly jobs.

To retain thier soffustication,the Rulling people systemized the CASTISM strongly to be on TOP ALWAYS...(POLITICS).

When British was rulling our country,to use DEVIDE AND RULLING POLICY and to get the work down from people,the CREATED A RULES.

When those rules(CASTISM) is required to POLITICAL parties to RULE THE COUNTRY, TO BE ON TOP ALWAYS..THEY USED IT.

As every body says,SC/ST communities are growing..But not in that level.Only the people of less PERCENTAGE who moved to CITIES with some Educational back round,only growing...More than 90% SC/ST People still living in the same CONDITION.

The GOVERNMENT,POLITICAL PARTIES ALSO DEVIDING AGAIN AND AGAIN in the name of doing FAVER to people,creating more and more CASTE PARTITIONS and giving LITTLE PEANUTS...Uneducated people are feeling happy as they are getting PEANUTS and accepting to get in to DARK.!!!!

NO WAY TO RECOVER FROM THIS,,,,IF CASTISM GET REMOVED FROM INDIA,NO EXISTING POLITICAL PARTIES WILL LEFT...........


By Shanmugasundaram , CEO/MD/Director, Safnnite Solutions India Pvt.Ltd  | 03 19 2010 18:26:03 +0000
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Like I said castesim can never be removed in India.

Dear Tarun Dr. Ambedkar was always in favour of reservations he is one who created reservation quota for dalits/Sc/ST/OBC for first 50 yrs I guess but Ramdas Athavle has got it increased for another 50 yrs or so.

Apart from free education for dalits/Sc/ST/OBC there is also provision for job in govt. go to any govt office in India you will rarely find Bhramins working there & because of this we all know how far are we from other countries in terms of infrastructure, security.

What ever it is. Still Proud to be an Indian. I love my India Jai Hind.


By Amit N Bhagwat, Recruitment Executive, First Tek Pvt. Ltd.  | 03 10 2010 15:47:48 +0000
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Hi Mishra,

First thanks to comment on this topic.

I agree with your comment that the government should give the free education to Dalit  children.But, Mishra i know many dalit people who are well educated, but the people of upper casts don't  them respect. My relatives lives in a good area in  Delhi. But they declare  yourself as a Panjabi, Raj put etc. Because upper cast peoples don't give respect to them. 

So, how you can say that education remove the castisum. Now i come on the topic of cast base reservation.

If our government remove the cast base reservation and implement poverty base reservation. In our state (Haryana) the government implement  BPL scheme for poor people. But i know many rich people from upper cast they are getting the taking the advantage of this scheme by the strong connection with politicians. The poor Dalit people are still poor. 

And the can government can also set the some reservation for poor upper cast people. We are not agents  with this. 

Your are saying that our social structure is on the base of Karm(Work). I also disagree with that. If our social structure is on the biases of Karm  then why  Only Brhraman people are appoint the as Pujari in Hindu temples. Because they come from the Braharma. A Dalit man why can't appoint on that post. 

 


By SUDHIR.JAI , BCA student, MDU ROHATK  | 03 06 2010 16:34:10 +0000
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Yes it can not be removed. Because it is in the back of our mind. If somebody says it is only in Hindus than he is probably mistaken. He or she should get his or her facts right. I am not the person to tell them what is right and what is wrong. Every body speaks on any subjects with some preconcieved notions. Without removing them nobody yes nobody can tell them what is right and what is wrong.

Yes in our case these politicians take advantage of our mindset and mould people to their advantage. Which is the reason why this can not be removed completely from India.


By Aditya Sharma, Insurance Advisor/Analyst, LIC OF INDIA, ICICI LOMBARD  | 02 16 2010 07:13:36 +0000
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Mr. Malhotra

I think that you are leaving in a rich area. I belongs to village and small towns and there are so many people those daily income only 75 rupees par day. They can't give there children education, meals. They make meals only one time in a day. The don't have electricity, gas. If you see these people then you will relise the real condition of Dalit.


By SUDHIR.JAI , BCA student, MDU ROHATK  | 02 15 2010 14:39:21 +0000
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I disagree with the comment of Mr. Malhotra. How against the reservation of cast basis. Without the use of the caste base reservation how you can improve the condition of the Dalit family. Because in economic base reservation most people who belongs to rich family they will  also get the bani fit of reservation by fraud  economic certificate. 

I belongs to Haryana Where BPL (Below Poverty Line) is implementing. I know many people who is so rich, but they diclare yourself as a poor family by strong political connection.

Those  people really poor and need  BPL benefit  but they are not getting.

If we convert cast base reservation  into economic base the result we same as the BPL banifit 

 


By SUDHIR.JAI , BCA student, MDU ROHATK  | 02 13 2010 13:50:53 +0000
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You are right Archna, even I feel the same way.

Long back in 90's when V.P.Singh  become the P.M., TOTAL DESTRUCTION CAME. The cast theory was almost out of young minds but these Politicians for their own vote bank bring it back.

I ask why reservation on the grounds of cast. Why not on basis of economic conditions of the applicant.

I STRONGLE RECMOND THAT THIS SYSTEM SHOULD BE CHANGED AND ALL RESERVATIONS SHOULD BE ON THE BASIS OF ECONOMIC CONDITION OF THE APPLICANT.

No reservation should be given on cast basis and no selection by giving opportunity on reduced marks. This is not good. A knowledge able person don’t get opportunity but a person with lesser marks get because he is in reserved class.

All should come forward and raise the voice on this issue.

NO CASTISIM IS ACCEPTABLE.


By R.K.MALHOTRA , Investment Advisor, WORKING FREELANCE  | 02 13 2010 13:14:02 +0000
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The Castisum is very things in our country. The Castisum is main part of Hindu religion. Because Hindu religion depend on Chattu Varn Vayavasta. Which was deloped by Mannu Maharaj. He divided Hindu religion in four way.

 

  1. Brahamin 
  2. Shtriya
  3. Vashwav
  4. Shudra

 

Mr. Mahatma Gandhi was also greatly believe in Chattu VarnVayavastha. Some body says that Gandhi and done great work to remove the Castisum. I don't  agree with them. Because the start from the Chattu VarnVayavastha. Mr. Gandhi declare all Shurda (Dalit) as a "Harijan  " (Meaning people of God). He did want to remove Castisum.

Some body says that Mr. Bagat Shing was a great freedom fighter of india. But i disagree with that also. Because Congress and  Bagat Shing was boycott Siman Commission which was come in india for  Dalits rights. 

At last, according to my view we can't remove Castisum till Hindu religion is live in India. 

Somebody can't agree with my view on Hindu religion. But thats a fact.

 

 

 

 

 


By SUDHIR.JAI , BCA student, MDU ROHATK  | 02 13 2010 13:12:18 +0000
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i am agree that cast system divide our country,but it is not possible to remove casteism.we all aware that we have many political parties in india which always aggravates peace of country by using someone cast.the latest example is shiv sena in mumbai. mumbai,the economic capilal of india.and our government is unable to stop such terrible activities.it is the main barrier in our economic development.every politicians playing with the sentiments of ours. they always use advantage of cast to get more votes.....


By ashish agrawal, M.COM student, m.s.university of baroda  | 02 13 2010 12:34:23 +0000
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I 100% agree with Mr. R.K. Malhotra. Castesim/racial abuse can never be stopped in India.


By Amit N Bhagwat, Recruitment Executive, First Tek Pvt. Ltd.  | 03 10 2010 15:38:38 +0000
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Casteism can be minimized in the long run not removed as it's so deeply embedded into our psyche. How to minimize? It can be done through creating super-identities not based on caste. For instance, nationalism or regionalism can lessen the tendency of people to think in terms of caste. Overall, I feel that casteism or any ism shouldn't always be taken negatively so long as it is used by people for creating cultural affinity. There's nothing wrong with cultural affinity.


By Azhar Kazmi, Professor, King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals  | 03 06 2010 11:19:35 +0000
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You have all the rights to disagree with me but thats my opinoin:-

First,Castism in India can't be removed by reservation because it itself is discriminating. Dear Sudhir, you yourself say that poor Dalits have income of only 75 rs, per day so how can they take advantage of reservation when they aren't able to give basic education to their children. Only those people are getting benefit from it who are not backward. So reservation on the basis of caste isn't working. It should be either on poverty basis or instead of reservation in job, Dalits should be given free basic education so that their children can build their future without any support. Its not an offense, because i too think like others that in history Dalits were deprived of their rights by these unfair practices of castism, but reservation is also unfair.As you are taking references of our leaders B.R.Ambedkar himself was against reservation.

Second,for British Acts i don't think they favored anyone, what they wanted was just to divide us (FOOT DALO AUR RAAJ KARO).

In our ancient time.Our social structure was based on Karma not on Janma(Birth), Whatever it was, it resulted in discrimination so it should be removed. Most of the young person think in the same way. In urban areas its less severe and it has replaced by another kind of discrimination of Financial Status.Ans its getting weaker in rural areas too. I also live in a Tehsheel which is a kind of big village.In my region there are so many example of person who are socially established irrespective of their caste.Unfortunately still there are some incidences of Dalit harrassment in our country, So what we can do to raise voice against them.

Correct me if i'm wrong.  


By Tarun Mishra, Equity Dealer, Religare Securtites Limited  | 03 06 2010 10:50:37 +0000
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