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Created by : M NITIN SHENOY, PMP, IPMA-D, CEng MICE, Manager  | 03 14 2009 05:10:32 +0000
Industry : ConstructionFunctional Area : Project Management(Technology)
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Project Planning Engineers have a very "Hyped" Important role on Paper

roles and responsiblities covered are : make estimates, plan budgets, schedules, contract management, monitoring and control, site coordination etc.

But in reality what is actually Planning Engineers do or made to do in project environment.

Than is "Planning & Management" or "Mere Documentaytion"...!!!

 
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Planning and Managing Projects...!!! Vs Mere Documentation...!!!
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Project Planning is not a simple thing. It is not just an operator who can handle MSP/Primavera. There are some responsibilities which are involved in Planning Engineers shoulder-

 

  1. Resource Planning (includes Manpower, Tools & Plant, Machinery, Money etc)
  2. Risk Analysis
  3. Budget & its analysis
  4. Co-ordination with Architects, Consultants, Site PM/ In charge
  5. Proper scheduling, Monitoring and updating
  6. Cost Controlling

Some of our friends have showed their views that, planning engineer should have in depth knowledge, I do agree with him. Another Mr. Shaju has written some valuable lines, I do also agree with him.

 

Over and above, the main thing is, where you are standing right now? Whether the organization has a clear knowledge of Planning Engineer’s responsibility or not?

 

We are all engineers may be Civil may be any other dept. but, our main motto is to serve for the organization best of our knowledge. If your organization is satisfied with your activities and they don’t ask for any analysis and keeping you for documentation only then what you will do?

 

 

Lastly, I would like to say sorry for my harsh language.


By Prasenjit Roy, Head/VP/GM-Corporate Planning/Strategy, STPL  04 04 2009 10:34:27 +0000
 
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well Mr . Nitin Shenoy i fully agree with you that planning engineers are for documentation only ...but i also like to add that with the lack of practical knowlegede and actual site or field constrainst ,any plan however meticouly planned on MS Project or P6 will fail . Also sometimes the actual decision making role on certain project issuse may contradict with that of a project manager


By Shyamananda Singh, Construcition Manangement , simplex  03 20 2009 10:21:16 +0000
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a Planning engineer is 75% of a project manager.In Absence of PM planning engineer is the lead of TEAM.All the documents lead to perform the EARNED VALUE only.THIS EVM technique is from Arabian and Indian merchants gone To Europe,then to US.WHO built the Pyramids,Taj mahal,Tanjore temple,madurai meenakshi temple,etc.even after thousand years they are alive. coming to the planning in construction site monitoring and controlling has to be done by the planning engineer in this PHASE.The necessary documents all already prepared by the head planning in planning phase itself, and in construction phase only monitoring the risks and updating itself enough.Not simply filling up the blanks, its a real analysis every word written by the planning engineer in the documents.ITS not a yes or no method, if yes means all the features related to the question are analysed the result is positive , hence yes, i.e. .the meaning.


By pandianarjunan , project manager  | 11 15 2012 07:01:40 +0000
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Planning is a department and specialization.The Civil Engineer should always be involved in other departments of quantity survey,contracts and Project execution before being assigned to Planning Department.Then only the Planning has its meaning and implementation means success to the Project.
By Mallaya Pandravada, GM-Project , GSSInfraTech Pvt Ltd  | 06 02 2012 06:50:43 +0000
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Construction industry in India merely revolves around contracts and more contracts. The association of owners and contractors is limited to contracts and there is no focus on the values of the project.

It is high time that we Indians realize the importance of lean construction and start implementing its tools. It has been established that most of the project faliures occur because of improper planning. We invest too heavily in planning the project first and we lack alternative approaches which we may require during the execution. All construction projects are unique and then how can we use their data to plan the project comprehensively at the beginning?

Western world has taken to lean construction in a big way and is reaping its rewards. We need to implement the Last Planner System and start focussing on the entire construction process rather than only the activities. To successfully reduce cost and increase efficiency the wastes of construction process must be done away with. Comprehensive weekly plans should be developed taking inputs from the last planners (those who will actually execute the project). Failures to stick to the weekly work plans should be investigated and thus they will be prevented in the future.


By Ankit Bhatla, B.Tech/B.E. student, Indian Institute Of Technology (IIT), Guwahati  | 08 03 2009 11:45:46 +0000
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Planning by defination is a desk job, hence it can only be done on paper and hence documented. So planning engineers (PE) end product generally are documents. Like all other professional who are held responsible for after effect of their job a PE is held responsible for documentation which is the end product of their job.

The quality of the document created by a PE is dependentend on the policies and stratigies of the company with which he/she is employed or some times dependent on the Project Manager who handles the project.

For example I use the inputs of my PE as a local level MIS. My PE are more involved in micro planning of activities than the macro one. Mirco goal achivement is very important. Fridays schedule of activity if finalised on Wednesday helps you asign avaiable resourse optimally so that the plan can be achived.However if you fail to achive planned progress at least you know how far you are and what should be a local level mitigation plan


By Hridibrata Roy, Manager  | 05 08 2009 15:26:48 +0000
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Planning and Managing the Multiple projects is my current assignment since four years.

No doubt the paper work is the base of this professission bu not in enterity.

There was always interaction with the Project managers,Project engineers,client and consultants to check the effectiveness of the Main construction programs, Billing Programs, Budjet requirements,Material,Man power requirements including the drwing requirement schedules.

The bottle necks are spotted at every stage,site problems were taken care of ,Sugggestions were given to the project engineers and improvements are achieved.


By Mallaya Pandravada, GM-Project , GSSInfraTech Pvt Ltd  | 05 08 2009 09:38:25 +0000
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Project Planning is not a simple thing. It is not just an operator who can handle MSP/Primavera. There are some responsibilities which are involved in Planning Engineers shoulder-

 

  1. Resource Planning (includes Manpower, Tools & Plant, Machinery, Money etc)
  2. Risk Analysis
  3. Budget & its analysis
  4. Co-ordination with Architects, Consultants, Site PM/ In charge
  5. Proper scheduling, Monitoring and updating
  6. Cost Controlling

Some of our friends have showed their views that, planning engineer should have in depth knowledge, I do agree with him. Another Mr. Shaju has written some valuable lines, I do also agree with him.

 

Over and above, the main thing is, where you are standing right now? Whether the organization has a clear knowledge of Planning Engineer’s responsibility or not?

 

We are all engineers may be Civil may be any other dept. but, our main motto is to serve for the organization best of our knowledge. If your organization is satisfied with your activities and they don’t ask for any analysis and keeping you for documentation only then what you will do?


By ER. PRASENJIT ROY, Manager-Planning  | 04 29 2009 13:03:29 +0000
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Project engineers are involved in selecting the appropriate techniques and sequence of events for a particular project, liaising with the site agent and surveyor throughout the process, making adjustments to projects as necessary;

They are the one who are involved in Planning and managing the Projects as they monitoring progress throughout the construction process and comparing this with the projected schedule of work.


By Anjali Bhatia, Construction-Heavy, Sobha Developers  | 04 29 2009 09:43:05 +0000
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I am in the industry for sometime now and have worked in India, Saudi and the heaven of high rise, Dubai. I strangely find that one of the first question asked from any gentleman applying for Planning job is whether he knows the softwares or not. I dont think mere knowledge and command on softwares can make you planning engineers. A planning engineer is a person who has good knowledge of all the different components/departments of project so that he can put them together on paper. For this to happen, a person should know about the technical details of project, its specifications, the contract, BOQ etc to incorporate these in the project plan/program.

Once the plan/program is made/approved/accepted for the project, the planning engineer continously monitors it to check for any deviations and to efficiently diagnose them. This might be done by prepairing another plan ie recovery plan, in case the deviation is towards negative side. After this phase the Planning Engineers responsibility is to prepare close out reports ie to document everything that happened during the project.

I believe most of the contractors are doing it in Dubai as the clients are making them to do so for effective controlling of the project.


By Mohammad Shariq, Planning Engineer, Emirates Nuclear Energy Corporation  | 04 27 2009 12:45:21 +0000
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Please note that without proper finanical planning, the project management engineers plans of completing the given project in time, is very difficult.An Integrated approach is required for site engineers to cooperate with financial planners, who along with internal auditors, will be questioning the project engineers on various expenditure details. hence A Comprehenisve planning is required covering all functional areas of the Company.


By rao , Audit Manager.  | 04 27 2009 11:32:15 +0000
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I work in the middle east and here, the concept of having planning engineers in this part of the world is purely in its academic terms and definition that they are responsible from the creation of WBS till the closure of project. However, most of the organisation limit them with scheduling and cost related responsibilities like budgeting and cost loading leaving it to the cost controllers. But, my 8 years experience in the capacity of Planning engineers had the responisbility of creation of WBS, activity listing, coordination with the document controls in document/dreawing referencing with respect to the WBS, activity scheduling, cost breakdown. cost loading, performance monitoring and closing out.


By Habib A P M, MSc, PMP, Project manager, ch2mhill  | 04 24 2009 07:14:03 +0000
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well I dont agree that most CPWD or Govt. or Public sector Projects fail or run behind schedule. Projects planned properly can be executed as per plan. No dought some of the projects may face time overruns but cost overruns are very less. But again hindrances which occure during execution are beyond control of a Planning Engineer. Everbody is aware that most highway projects are getting delayed due to nonavailabilty of site. Hindrances of such type can not be predicted in advance. Some times market conditions become so adverse , executing agencies find it difficult to perform contracts. Like in recent yeras there has been boom in construction/infrastructure/road projects. But required manpower was not available which has resulted in slow progress of works. There is no system available in india whereby we can know what is requirement of skilled manpower in particular state in particular period of time.Even shortage of civil engineers is being  faced by projects today. Sometimes demand is generated by start of many big projects in small cities  where even construction materials in requisite quantity are not avaialable. These all factors will effect  both govt. as well as private sector projects and difficult to predict at planning stage.


By Er. Harnam Singh, Project Manager, CPWD  | 04 20 2009 14:41:14 +0000
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site engineers are to be used for execution in time but there should be strong support from planning department so that they can achieve the goal in time.Planning engineer should make them aware of the resources , the way to do the work faster.


By ANIRUDDHA SAHA, Construction-Heavy, SIMPLEX INFRASTRUCTURES LIMITED  | 04 18 2009 18:26:22 +0000
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Yes, it is planning & Manging projects job. the person who held this job shold have depth knowledge of the project. so he can schedule and can allocate the resources. But he need to tak with all consern manager continuosly, so he can correctly plan and manage the project.

Due to vast nature of the project, some time the planner may fill that he is doing merely documentation & follow up, but he sholud be keep paitions

One man can not do complete planning & scheduling the project.


By Hemal Doshi, Asst. Manager contract, PMC (ADANI GROUP)  | 04 18 2009 09:01:17 +0000
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Project Planning is an abused term in our country. Any individual with operating knowledge of MSP or Primavera is termed as Planning Engineer wheras a person with experience & indepth knowledge of project can plan the project. Planning is an important exercise in the begining but extremely important during implementation to have the check & balances as well as foresight of the project.


By Pankaj Vatsa, Asstt. Vice President, Feedback Ventures Pvt. Ltd.  | 03 28 2009 15:55:56 +0000
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Well we can not undermine role of a planning Engineer in A project. Most of the things are executed as per planning done by planning engineer. Specification are descided, cost is decided. and structural system is decided. If proper planning is done and strutural design and design of services associated with the project is done with due deligence there is no way project can not go as per plan and as per schedule and project can also be completed on time with the same cost. But again planning also need experience of field work and is not a simple estimation or quantity surveying or preparing Bill of quantities and thorough knowledge of project site to asses all cost aspects accurately. 


By Er. Harnam Singh, Project Manager, CPWD  | 03 27 2009 17:34:40 +0000
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Dear Nitin,

To plan a project, the engineer should do a detailed WBS study which will give him clear information on what should happen at site. Then he documents the project plan. The planning engineers job is not ending there. He have to track the project and so the daily activities at site are to be followed by him. This will be possible only by close interaction with the site. Again planning engineer have to analyse slippages and report. All this will make the role of a planning engineer much more than just documentation..


By Shaju George, Facilities/Construction Manager, IBS Software Services (P) Ltd  | 03 20 2009 10:36:31 +0000
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Your role depands upon your employer .

If you are working for any construction company , I mean from contractor side than what Nitin is telling is true.

But it will be differant if you are working from client side or from a consultant.

So there are lot to do as a planning engineer , it all depands on you and your employer.

 


By Naimish , Construction-Heavy, Gourav Engineers  | 03 14 2009 05:49:33 +0000
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With all due respect, you really haven't really answered the original question.

Planning engineer has to workout the minimal set of systems that need to be made ready for achieving a particular construction milestone. For instance for Boiler Light Up in a Power Plant, we need various mechanical systems that need too be made ready. Based on the systems required, he needs to show direction the team especially Civil for ensuring that no critical foundations are delayed for handover. Hence he acts as a master coordinator between Civil, Mechanical, Electrical, C&I teams for smooth handovers andinterface management.

Resource Planning: Planning Engineer can do resource planning only on small projects or for certain packages. Projects i have handled have excess of 50,000 activities. Certainly not possible to resource planning on this scale of project and resource planning is best left to execution team who are actually in know how of what kind of resource is required when.

Risk Analysis: Most risk in India deals with getting permissions from various government agencies especially if land needs to be acquired/railway track need to be laid, forest land needs to be cleared, river needs to be crossed. There is no managment tool which can accurately quantify this kind of risk and you are the mercy of your liasioning team.

Budget and Its Analysis: Thats the role of estimation/tendering during the contract phase of the project and role of billing and finance during the execution. They have way more sohisticated tools than planning engineer to acurately calculate the financial impacts of delayed/incorrect decision makeing and rebudget the project. Infact nobody would entertian the planning engineer if he decides to say present the budget. A planning engineer at best maybe asked to present the billing projections for the next 3 months, but definately no budgeting comes in his scope of work.

Coordination: Planning Engineer has a major role of coordination as discussed in opening para. Besides in house coordination he may also coordinate with Engineering and Procurement team and helf them prioritize.

Scheduling and Monitoring: Yes, planning engineer can be useful there and can predict the project end dates based on current information available to him

Cost Controlling: How can planning engineer be useful here ?  Say item rates have changed or scope has changed or rework needs to be done, how can planning engineer do cost controlling. He can help at best reduce overheads by reducing idling of machinary and manpower, but not in any major way.

This is the role as i have understood it in my 9 years of planning and execution experience. Would like to hear back from other planners as to what they do for their organizations.

 

 


By Nitin Gupta, Planning, Indiabulls Power Limited  | 06 01 2012 18:58:45 +0000
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Dear Sir, I am having some different opinion about the role of planning engineer in INDIA. today's fast growing and compititive companies are having central planning team. this team is combination of core experience holder in the field and planning software handler, this combined knwledge sit togather and prepare the project schedule. after completion of draft document the entire project team of the company will sit togather and finalize the main document which we are refering as project schedule.

Planning work is not typical work, every project have different execution strategy to complete the project. All planning engineer needs to know the detail planning and monitoring process, once he is aware about the planning processes he can do planning and monitoring wrok of any type of job by using knowledge of execution engineers, parallaly all planning engineer needs the support of site engineer and project manager to execute his job transparantly (without any fear and failure).


By Dinesh Singh, Project Planning & Management, TATA POWER  | 05 09 2009 17:50:49 +0000
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Planning Engineer is the brain to a project but if he tries to implement in the project, he will face conflicts from all site staff and management. I have found in my experience that in India Planning engineer is for documentation and technical support to management.


By SATYANARAYANA KOTTU, Manager Planning & QS, APR PROJECTS PVT.LTD  | 05 09 2009 10:25:13 +0000
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I accept the fact that Project Planning Engineers role is more that just carrying out documentation works in a Project.

But in reality it has been observed that Planning Engineers are held responsible for only documentation works and timely updation of MIS of the running organization which manages the project.

This inturn has diluted the role of Project Planning Engineers which is so "HYPED" only on paper.

Hence the concept that "PLANNING ENGINEERS" are the BRAIN of the PROJECT is getting faded, provided serious thought and amendment is made and implemention in the direction to enhance Planning Engineers Skills with better Role Clarity and responsibilities assigned.


By M NITIN SHENOY, PMP, IPMA-D, CEng MICE, Manager  | 05 05 2009 07:34:23 +0000
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I agree with Mr. Presenjit on the roles & responsibilities of a Planning Engineer. It has very vast scope. They plan & monitor the Risk, which is schedule failure , cost overrun, rise in working capital etc. But in todays scenrio , it is observed that they have just become the documentation man. All the decisions are taken by Site In-Charge / PM and planning engineer is just to prepare the papers accordingly. But this also depends upon the individual intreset and competencies of the planning engineer. If he feesl he can contribute & willing to do it every PM would like to utilise him. Before taking the job of PM , I have worked as a project planner for many years in EPC projects & could contribute alot in this area, which my management appreciated.

 


By SHIVENDRA KUMAR JHA, ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR, MEINHARDT SINGAPORE PTE LIMITED  | 04 08 2009 14:26:55 +0000
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Dear Sir,

I am not agree with your comments that the site condition is not predictable. When planning Engineering preparing project Schedule, normally he used to consult the project Manager regaring all Execution risk, and the time alloted to the particular activities are based on past experiences in the near by area. that is Project Manager analyse the details of project executed in that reasion in the past and find out what kinds of problems other project manager faced in that area. This exercise may  be in the form of Risk Management plan and this is only possible if Planning OR Project management or Construction management People have collected all the events (Hindrencess) earlier. The Risk management has to be completed before start of the Project i. e. at the time of Project Scheduling and this is possible only If Project dcumentation is Proper.


By Dinesh Singh, Project Planning & Management, TATA POWER  | 04 06 2009 09:27:59 +0000
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Mr. prasenjit roy i agree with you on the points you have mentioned which should be the responsibilities of a project planning engineer but do they really perform these things,i don't think so! As Mr. nitin rightly said they have just been been held responsible for the documentation and they have actually been not utilized in planning and implementation of the project.

What will you say on this ,i'll wait for your response!


By Pragya Kothari, Construction-Heavy, DLF  | 04 04 2009 11:43:02 +0000
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I do agree with Mr. Harman Singh, If that is the case, then why do most of the CPWD Handled Projects fail unlike many Privately Managed Projects!;

i.e. Over Budget or Behind Schedule...???


By M NITIN SHENOY, PMP, IPMA-D, CEng MICE, Manager  | 03 28 2009 03:45:53 +0000
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