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Created by : Jyoti Rath, Sr. Associate, Barclays  | 01 04 2010 12:40:13 +0000
Industry : Indian EconomyFunctional Area : Growth(Strategy & Execution)
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In an article from renowned writer from ET was somewhat really interesting.

In the past decades, India has been world number one in starvation deaths, foreign aid and bribery. In the 2000s, it was transformed from a chronic under-performer to a potential superpower. There were 8 predictions of what it will look like in 2020:

1. India will overtake China as the fastest-growing economy in the world.

2. India will become the largest English-speaking nation in the world.

3. By 2020, Indian companies will be major exporters of nuclear equipment

4. India, along with the US and Canada, will develop new technology to extract natural gas from gas hydrates — a solidified form of gas lying on ocean floors.

5. India will also discover enormous deposits of shale gas in its vast shale formations running through the Gangetic plain.

6. More and more regions of India will demand separate statehood. By 2020, India will have 50 states instead of the current 28.

7. China, alarmed at India’s rise, will raise tensions along the Himalayan border.

8. Islamic fundamentalists will take over in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But then the main point which draws attention is India surpassing China interms of economy by 2020. What do you think guys will this really happen? Please do share your views.

 
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Darshana is right here the major contributing factor will be the declining workforce in China, and with that they will be forced to revalue their currency. So its growth will decelerate, if we look back into history, just as Japan decelerated in the 1990s after looking unstoppable in the 1980s had to go with similar problem that China will face ahead. Having become the world’s second-biggest economy, China’s export-oriented model will erode sharply — the world will no longer be able to absorb its exports at the earlier pace. Meanwhile, India will gain demographically with a growing workforce that is more literate than ever before. The poorer Indian states will start catching up with the richer ones. This will take India’s GDP growth to 10% by 2020, while China’s growth will dip to 7-8%.


By Esha Johar, Risk Analyst, Irevna  01 05 2010 05:41:08 +0000
 
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Its really hard to see from Authors point of view, and the most important point India surpassing China by 2020 is too premature, may 2050 would be the appropriate year for that to happen and for that to happen, India should change its thinking drastically and India should employability status to most of them in the country,  and for that to happen most of the things needs to be in right place, and there should be no corruption or I must say India should become communist like China to achieve that target, and that I dont see happening, even interms of GDP India is lagging behing at 6.5% whereas china is touching 9% & 10% respectively with that we can easily say china is doing most of the things right at the moment, also china is catching up with its outsourcing as their English speaking skills is drastically improved, and we can see many outsourcing deals which were coming to India is now going to China for that matter. So, India cannot overtake china by 2020...There would be many optimists & I would like to see their comments also.


By Jyoti Rath, Sr. Associate, Barclays  01 04 2010 12:47:40 +0000
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If we see the policies of china government related a setup of an industry, china government supports that industrialist better than Indian Government if Our government also support like that so our economy also more growth and India increase their chance to overtake china in 2020
By mahesh kumar, sales and service executive, WINFA MACHINERY PVT. LTD.  | 02 21 2011 17:24:04 +0000
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corruption, it is not possible to control by one of any Indian for this our Government also should be ready and take strictly action against the corruption.as English is concern so India is better than china in English speaking.Other thing is population so our government have to need take an action for control it Like china Government.like if one family have more than one child. that family have to pay fine and that for other child that family face many problems in his/her study etc.then may be our country population should be controlled
By mahesh kumar, sales and service executive, WINFA MACHINERY PVT. LTD.  | 02 21 2011 17:10:36 +0000
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yes.... dfntly india will overtake take china in 2020
By Nageswara Rao.V, Consultant, V-Info Systems  | 02 21 2011 14:48:58 +0000
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If we will think to overtake china it is possible due to confidence of India but it is possible when the political leaders or our ministry also take it seriously to overtake china
By mahesh kumar, sales and service executive, WINFA MACHINERY PVT. LTD.  | 02 21 2011 12:05:46 +0000
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If one asked if India will overtake the size and magnitude of China's economy, then it will take about 50 more years. Even 2050 is a tough target. But in terms of growth itself, by 2020 we are almost certain to grow faster. Though this means, heavier weight on the middle class. Our economy is barely 10% efficient in terms of government initiated monetary transactions. Even if this efficiency rose to 15%, we will make even 12% GDP. With the issues our government faced with separation AP, I dont think any other separation will happen for another 5-6 years atleast. But the others looks very odd. There is no guarantee for stuffs like, we will find some shale formations. Hydrate fuel extraction will mostly not happen in our peninsular, thanks to all the deep sea extraction disasters and the fact that this peninsular is filled rich with under sea life.
By Arun Murali, Senior Software Engineer, Mind Tree Limited  | 01 28 2011 01:16:11 +0000
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I support this side views posted by friends.
By NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, AREA SALES MANGER, UNIFLEX CABLES LTD  | 01 27 2011 18:07:45 +0000
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Hi Karanthi, good points with examples and explanation.  I support you, India will surely overtake china in 2020 because growth and development are seen high in India compared to china. One way to overtake is to stop importing Chinese goods to India. China seeing India as major user of their products, once we start our own manufacturing process we can beat china even before 2020.

Thanks...   


By Shailena Varma, Logistics Manager, Target  | 02 17 2010 10:31:47 +0000
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There will be unrest in Chinese people because of communists/Maoists policies.


By Ravindra Bhatnagar, Plant Head, KLT Automotive & Tubular Products Limited  | 01 23 2010 11:45:04 +0000
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I can see these are predictions and not data based forecasts.

I wish some of the presdictions should not come true. Like creation of 50 states. This is bad omen for India.

But, I will comment here, only on prediction of India overtaking China.  I see distinct possibiliy of this happening. But, if this is achieved, credit will go to China. The only thing, India should do, is not to imitate China.India should go with her own democratic process. The progress achieved thro' democratic process may be slow, but there is an element of sustainance to it. The progress is achieved by orienting the public opinion in one direction. The progress of China is attained thro' data manupulation, release of selective data and does not respect public sentiments. Beyond glitter of wealth of Beijing, Shanghai, there are vast pockets of under development. When they will show, China's real growth will show up. India should only take care to keep distance from China's down fall process 


By Prakash Saitwal, Technical Support Manager, Aditya Birla Management Corporation P. Ltd.  | 01 21 2010 13:13:22 +0000
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There are many positive signs seen in the growth of Indian economy, so there are possibility for India to overtake China. Mr.chakravorty the two points you have given is valid but why should n't we think positive. You asked why should they slow down but I am asking why can't we speed up. So let us think positive and help our country to overtake china.  


By sumitra dutta, Consultant, XYZ  | 01 21 2010 09:01:55 +0000
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I strongly support that India will over Chain in the race because I shown a great resistance to the recent recession.It is the displays the contries robust nature of economy.Inflation of india is over 7% against Chaina's which is on -ve % side.As inflation in some is also related to the growth of the contry.If we make the analysis of the India vs. China economy, we can see that there are a number of factors that has made China a better economy than India at present. India was under the colonial rule of the British for around 190 years. This drained the country’s resources to a great extent and led to huge economic loss. On the other hand, there was no such instance of colonization in China. As such, from the very beginning, the country enjoyed a planned economic model which made it stronger.In the sence, India could manage get into competition with a great vigor in a very short time after independence.

All in all, at present there are many facts about chaina that proves it to be the best compared to India. But please note that China Was almost like present china in the past,even before independence when economy is compare with India. But India Could get in to a debate of Chaina Vs India with a very short span with a sustained growth rate.


By kranthi kumar, Sr.Executive (PSO), GHL  | 01 06 2010 14:13:23 +0000
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I'll support yes, and reasons for the same

1. English speaking will cut short language barriers

2. A democratic structure of governance will promote basic governance related issues

3. Youth ratio is higher in India, and last but not least..

4. Desire, and ambition to surpass competitor


By Nagpal Singh, Sales and Business Development, Babel Group of companies  | 01 05 2010 09:36:50 +0000
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I think yes India can overtake china as in coming years China will have a ageing workforce and India much more young population at hand, and this will be a major contributing factor for India to overtake china by 2010, but then 2010 seems to early may be 2020 is the right time for it..


By Darshana Sawant, HR Manager, Leading IT services company  | 01 05 2010 05:34:53 +0000
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the underlying inference has been logical approach of author towards current events taking place in our country.but some points mentioned like,becoming the english speaking nation or being major exporter of nuclear technology ,is evident considering the recent developments happened in recent times.there is repeecussions over ,surpassing china on parameters like growth rate or infrastructure will require some major introspection in  adminstrative structure and unbiased  deployment of resources ,such changes will take some time to take shapr of reality but sooner or later will come into action so,i very much agree with the author's point of view.


By kawaljit kaur, pgdbm student , Mount Carmel Institute of Management  | 01 04 2010 16:47:11 +0000
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I feel no one can say this now... but yes i would say that we are capable to reaching those above mentioned milestones and this can be done only if we really want to get that... hope people got this by what i mean!!...... 

Cheers!!


By Manish N Chugh, Officer Trainee, Stock Holding Corporation of India ltd.,  | 01 04 2010 14:45:12 +0000
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Well, I agree to most of the points. Be it "The Fastest Growing Economy", "Largest English Speaking Nation", "Exploring Gangetic Shale" & "China will Raise Tension in Himalayan Region"


By Kashif Billal, Design Manager, Fashion Designer  | 01 04 2010 13:53:57 +0000
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This is a joke!!, China is way ahead.
By Abhijit Anand Prabhudan, Admin/Facilities Manager, Ca*****  | 02 21 2011 15:18:59 +0000
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hey ...these credit goes to only china ..why adding india ....in all these . china become the largest nation in english speaking. tell me how will you manage the population of india...this is the biggest challange. another one corruption .tell me how literacy rate ....... what you think guys .youth busy in lifestyle ,livin, free teriif voucher with his girl friend or girlfriends..... all wanna be part of highlifestyle ok you tell me what are you doing for nation. only study here serve abroad. ok tell me the strategy on whick you work...... ......oh man ....there are many factors we have to work on strictly. so pease don,t compare to others......te
By pushpendra singh, Freelancer, IT Services  | 02 21 2011 14:26:49 +0000
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It will be very difficult for India to take over china in next 10 years as India is facing bottlenecks in terms of physical infrastructure. we need to invest heavily in infrastructure so that as it is major pull factor for much needed FDI and we will be able to takeover china by 2030.
By Danish khan, Business Analyst, cognizant business consultancy  | 02 21 2011 09:13:58 +0000
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We are too democratic to fasten the pace of progress as in dictatorship mode of operation envirnoment
By srinivas , Head HR, IMNC  | 01 27 2011 18:23:12 +0000
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You have a more realistic prediction of India overtaking China in 2050.But that would not necessarily requir India to emulate Chinese modal.The growth that you r seeing in India right now is just the beginning of the Indian economic miracle(trailer sort of thing).Our democracy has'nt matured yet.Because right now our literacy rate is just 65% & hardly 10-15% of the students have the previlage of having higher education.But by growing at 8 to 9% u will see that by 2020 an average Indian will be earning 4 times what he is earning today.And that changes a lot of things.It means a lot of people getting higher education,more skilled workforce,major backward areas catching up with rest of us,more FDI inflows,more spending power and hence a much bigger market,more awareness among people will mean that they will elect their candidate based on merit rather than false promises and dynasty politics.Overall Indian democracy will be much more matured by 2020. And coming to the point of India overtaking China economically by 2020,I would say that it is a very ridiculous forecast.Simply take that India is 10 years behind China and that is a big margin.China became a 1 trillion dollor economy in 1999 and India got there in 2009.And by India growing at avg. 8.5% it would be a 5 trillion economy by 2020 which is equal to what China is today.And even if China grows at avg. 7.5% which is predicted by most forecasts it will be a 14 trillion economy by 2020.In pure numbers India will still be 9 trillions behind China, but in terms of number of years behind China, it would reduce to 8 from 10 now. So as u see its unthinkable to surpass them by 2020.2050 maybe.But till then our challange would be to maintain our territorial integrity.We should sort out the Kashmir problem,develop north-east,maintain harmony between different regions,religions and casts and also the terrorism emenating from Pakistan.We cannot allow these problems to hinder our growth
By Abhinav Gubba, MBBS student, Soochow medical college  | 11 29 2010 19:55:03 +0000
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As an Indian, its easy to vote Yes. But as of now there is no one to beat China. They might be doing things the wrong way but still they are growing very fast. 

We only consider GDP when we say India is growing, which is also below China. But we have to consider how their growth is happening. China's government believes in create a room for a shop and the shop will come as compared to India's belief of charging tax and bribes for the shop started, by chance. China is building infrastructure projects at atleast 20-30 times faster than India is and the effects of these efforts will show off in the coming years. 

Then we Indians have a much higher average money in our savings accounts. Which means less money in the economy, add to that we earn a lot less. This means economy growth to domestic market is kind of closed. The only other chance is in outsourced jobs for which we are already abusing our infrastructure and the chance of growth is less.

In terms of innovations. India is getting no where. For a country with this much educated population we file very little patents. We are still people who write code, maintain applications written in 1980's, do surface finishing, or other out sourced jobs which no one else wants to do. We have to pay thrice the money to get product made by us compared to the out sourced people. How is government checking that? How many new startups comes every year?

Sorry to dissapoint but we are getting no where with this mind set. We need to do a lot more or something really bad has to happen to China.


By Arun Murali, Senior Software Engineer, Mind Tree Limited  | 01 29 2010 17:47:10 +0000
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I wish these were true.

But, in reality this may not happen by 2020. In respect to 'manufacture', we are far behind. But we are also picking up in this section. Lot more things are to be done for India becoming a global manufacturing  Hub. Question is : how we may make our manufacturing more cost efficient ?

As we know, our political Managemt is different from that of China. They have their system of doing things far better than us. In WBengal, when Tata wished to establish an Auto-hub in Singur, some forces within this state blocked that. This may happen anywhere  in India.. !! Not possible in China.

There are so many other reasons too. But, a concerted effort may be taken to make India a super economic power in days to come. May be by 2040 0r 2050 ... or .. ?


By ASOKE KUSARI, Domestic Private Banking-Executive/Manager, A large leading PSU Bank - India  | 01 21 2010 15:09:53 +0000
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I am not really with the writer thought but yes India has all the ability to surpaas China. But target is too short ...2020...naaaa...Yaa in one thing we can do that and that is population, but Business, finance, army, infrastructure, Employment and thousands of heads are there, where we need a significant grow...I think we can do that but we need more time.

 


By sachin , Team Leader -(NonTechnical), Infor Global Solutions  | 01 21 2010 12:18:00 +0000
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Athough I would like to believe this will happen,  this is why it will not:

1. China is growing at more than 1% faster than India. They are improving infrastructure at an amazing pace and investing heavily in research, aquiring assets all over the world, reducing dependence on exports to the west, have a stable government, do not have maoists or other separatist movements, do not have security threats from within and outside. Why should they slow down ?

2. India has a dream team ruling at present. What is the guarantee that the subsequent governments shall be as good ? To be realistic, thay are likely to be worse. Also, India shall continue to be weighed down by all the problems China does not have plus corrupt politicians and bureaucracy.

Sadly our chaotic democracy will be no match for the authoritarian Chine Juggernaut. India needs to change radically to dream of overtaking China.


By P Chakravorty, Integrated Service Delivery Head, HCL Technologies  | 01 06 2010 17:45:38 +0000
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A reality check and it seems the chances are bleak. There are several reason for that and one of them is regionalism so much prevalent in our country. Unless the citizens do not shed their regionalistic views and start looking at the bigger picture of nationalism there will be lot of in-fighting on the name of regions, cast & religion. This will have negative effect on the economic growth of our country. Besides the in-fighting, we will always have to face the problems from unstable neighbours. Finally, I do not think China will be sitting ducks till 2020 to see India surpass them.


By Arup Chakraborty, Managing Consultant  | 01 06 2010 12:27:07 +0000
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There is enogh potential. However, from the way many resourceful States like AP, Kerala and many others pulling the country back, God forbid, it is more likely that India will be taken over by China in another ten years. Unless some drastic change happens with the next generation politicians and political scenario in India, many may not readilysubcribe to such wishful thinking of India overtaking China.

May be it is the inherent perils of democracy. A political setup that envisages a country be ruled by a government of the all the people, by all the people and for all the people is more an utopian myth than a realizable reality. It is too ambitious to wish that India, a very young federal nation inheriting long embedded ethnic variations, diverse cultures, social structures, linguistic differences, and highly dominating regional beliefs and interests, to become such an utopian democratic nation too soon.

In practical terms, democracy means not a government by all but a government of the majority. Therefore, such governments are tend to become majority opinion biased and the interest of the minority would naturally be sidelined.

In India there are basically two types of majority vote banks; both having sets and subsets of the other.

i. Majority religion based. By sensitizing the malleable in the majority religion, the power mongers can easily polarize the majority religious community as a means to come to power; which though democratic in principle, but often cannot be a secular one. This can be the intention behind the proposal some politicians to make voting compulsory. 

ii. The majority of socially and economically weak that readily exists in a developing nation. To get their votes in order to come to power they are appeased by every party showing the carrots that never to be, and ensures they continued to remain poor.

iii. A concoction of a mixture of the above two as being experienced in most part of the country.

In the Indian context, about 50% of the total population only has voting rights, the remaining being below age and not yet brought in the eligible list due to various reasons. Of these, only about 50% cast their votes. Considering a vote split among three major contestants, parties that get between 9 to 11% of the total population get absolute majority and the party that can get 7 to 8 % of votes could become the largest single party. Therefore, 1% shift can tilt the scale either way. The sort of democracy that can be attained with this sort of arithmetic of people’s representation is anybody’s guess. This is one of the major perils of our type of democratic process.

Democracy is strangled when elected representatives, ignore the needs and aspirations of the people whom they represent. Democracy is strangled, when ‘Playing dirty Politics’ become the main business and theme of the government and political parties inside and outside the government. Democracy is strangled, when the political parties stoop down to use the communal feeling of one group against other to come to power and compelled to oppress other communities to appease them.

Cent percent voting,  as suggested by some politicians, is not going to usher in secular governance by itself. As far as there is imbalance in the cast/religion based population and groupism based on linguistic and other regional interests, every political party resort to unethical ways, means and tactics to woo them to win elections, the chance of any member of any minority community getting elected is remote.

However, it can perhaps erase smaller parties off the scene and with that there is chance to emerge more stable governments. With that things may also change. On which direction, a majority religion controlled governance like in our neighbor or a progressive nation the like of that Europe, Japan and few others. Anyhow, Chinese model is not an ideal one to emulate. 


By P. Abraham Paul, Senior Telecom Consultant.  | 01 05 2010 14:31:20 +0000
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I will be glad if in next ten years (2020), India- China can hv a foto finish in this race -(that is,if it is a race), lack of democracy an hamper China's growth in the longer run.. so there I hv hope for India, But India overtake China.. that's a bit far fetched! 


By Priya Varadan, Independent consultant, Self employed  | 01 05 2010 13:34:06 +0000
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because here lot of power politics occur compare to china


By senthil kumar sankareswaran, Marketing Manager jayalakshmi taders, madurai.  | 01 05 2010 12:15:39 +0000
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Difficult!!

The only real area of relief here is that most of our states have reached or reaching near urban outlook. Betond that we cannot compete with China. If you look at China as a country, there are very few developed states in China and very few cities that are UBER URBAN. Now that is the difference. We are more into all round development as compared to China. China is very city centric and hence the focus of manufacturing is also limited to these developed cities only!!

Also, i cannot even remotely think if we can match the labor costs. They are far more cheaper in China and will remain so because of a deep communist policy!! Here the Rich become richer and poor become poorer!!


By Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International  | 01 05 2010 08:19:25 +0000
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I AGREE WITH JYOTI CHINA IS FAR ADVANCE THAN INDIA IN MANY MANNERS SO IT WILL TAKE TIME TO OVERCOME CHINA..


By mehul , internal auditor, audit firm  | 01 05 2010 02:33:53 +0000
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I am too a pessimist here considering that China is way ahead to us viz a viz infrastructure, current GDP, per capita income, military might, international influence & many many other parameters.

There are also possibilities that due to boom in one or other sector we might achieve a higher GDP but the problem with our existing structure is that this wealth is limited to a only small fraction of the society.

In my opinion it will really take time for having an overall inclusive growth in terms of poverty removal, education, medical, food, water, employment etc basic & infrastructural issues.


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