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Created by : RAHUL RANJAN, S/w Developer ,fininfo com  | 01 28 2010 07:36:35 +0000
Industry : BankingFunctional Area : Performance(Corporate Finance)
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In the inevitable comparisons economists and businessmen make between Asia's two rising giants, China and India, China nearly always comes out on top.

The Chinese economy historically outpaces India's by just about every measure. China's fast-acting government implements new policies with blinding speed, making India's fractured political system appear sluggish and chaotic. Beijing's shiny new airport and wide freeways are models of modern development, contrasting sharply to the sagging infrastructure of New Delhi and Mumbai. And as the global economy emerges from the Great Recession, India once again seems to be playing second fiddle. Pundits around the world laud China's leadership for its well-devised economic policies during the crisis, which were so effective in restarting economic growth that they helped lift the entire Asian region out of the downturn.



 
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Yes, Indian economy will be the best. China is facing a housing bubble of historic proportions. Last year, China’s real estate market grew 80%, according to the State Bureau of Statistics. With prices spiraling out of control, and growing fear that the bubble’s about to burst, China’s desperate to preserve the wealth of its citizens. As far as India is concerned, the entry of foreign debt into sovereign debt is quite limited. Since most of the debt is issued to local banks, the question of sovereign default does not arise. While this is a huge relief to investors in India.

When it comes to the history of 'money', there is none better than Niall Ferguson, the noted author of 'The Ascent of Money', an international bestseller and one that tells the story of how the money game has evolved over the centuries.
In a recent interview with The Economic Times, Ferguson said why he is more positive on India's future prospects than China's. As he says, "One reason I'm long on India than China is that India has a better institutional basis of development than China does. I think that representative government, rule of law, meaningful private property - these are keys to success. They were keys to western success." law, meaningful private property - these are keys to success. They were keys to western success."

We see poor governance and corruption as key issues that can delay India's rise as an economic superpower. While we have all that it takes to reach there, the time taken can be longer than what most expect.

Indian stock markets may be looking a tad bit overvalued now. But large foreign business families are increasing their allocations to private equity funds focused on India. These families are varied and come from the US, Europe and West Asia. The reason: They want to capitalize on India's growth story. Some of the foreign families that have expressed interest in investing in India are the Oppenheimer's of the US, the Swarovski's of Austria, Germany's Grillo Group and some business families in West Asia.

INDIAN ECONOMY IS STABLE THEN CHINA, WHEN IT COMES TO STABLE ECONOMY.


By R.K.MALHOTRA , Investment Advisor, WORKING FREELANCE  01 30 2010 05:13:18 +0000
 
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Interesting debate Mr.Rahul. It would have been great if you have mention the sides.

I believe that making a depth study and analysis of India vs. China economy seems to be a very hard task. Both India and China rank among the front runners of global economy and are among the world's most diverse nations. Going by the basic facts, the economy of China is more developed than that of India. While India is the 12th largest economy in terms of the exchange rates, China occupies the third position. Compared to India, China has a much well developed infrastructure. Although India has much developed in various fields, it is still plagued by problems such as poverty, unemployment, lack of civic amenities and so on. In fact unlike India, China is still investing in huge amounts towards manpower development and strengthening of infrastructure.


By Sudeep Tarafdar, Senior Consultant, IBM  01 29 2010 12:43:58 +0000
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What U have wriiten is very important : We should not be USA, China or Pakistan centric. India is India - we are to go with our own mission. Yes, we are to change for better where necessary. Equally : we do not quarrel with our neighbour/s on all flimsy issue/s.


By ASOKE KUSARI, Domestic Private Banking-Executive/Manager, A large leading PSU Bank - India  | 01 31 2010 04:16:31 +0000
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India's Base is very Strong.. currently you can see a slow progress than China but it is going to be steady and going to be in same pace for many coming years..wont surpirse if India passes China in near future cheers :) -


By Raman Suresh Udgiri, Business Analyst, Phoenix  | 01 31 2010 03:18:58 +0000
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Jim Chanos, the man who gained notoriety by calling Chinese economy Dubai times 1,000, is at it again. He has argued in a recent speech that a bubble is building in China's financial system that could derail the global economic recovery. "China is the engine of growth that will hopefully pull us out of the morass that we find ourselves in. But the closer you look at that engine, the more you begin to see that it may throw a piston rod soon," Chanos is believed to have said. While he cautions that he doesn't expect a crash in China anytime soon, he is seeing classic pockets of overheating and overindulgence and has no doubt that there is a credit driven property bubble going on in China right now.

If what Chanos is arguing turns out to be right and if the bursting of property bubble does indeed affect other parts of the Chinese economy then the global economy would indeed be in big trouble what with the US also looking increasingly wobbly. However, if the Chinese authorities do manage to cool down their economy without any big trouble, then the dragon nation could certainly emerge as one of the most attractive investment destinations.


By R.K.MALHOTRA , Investment Advisor, WORKING FREELANCE  | 01 30 2010 10:10:08 +0000
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Please read my post infavour of India

Since at the beginning it was not clear where we vote it was in YES or NO form...Devi Also mentioned this..... 


By Nitin M Aras, XYZ  | 01 30 2010 08:30:25 +0000
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Very correctly put Mr. Malhotra. Couldnt have done better even after researching on such an interesting topic :))


By Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International  | 01 30 2010 07:15:21 +0000
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By 2012, You all watch India on the top.

Those who argue against India. China doing better, should know the stability factor too.Wait & watch when China's bubble brust.


By R.K.MALHOTRA , Investment Advisor, WORKING FREELANCE  | 01 30 2010 06:28:38 +0000
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Following points clearly emerge from the debate:

1. China's economy is better developed

2. Indian leaders are not doing enough to outpace China.

My question is : How important it is for India to become no. 1 economic super power in the world and how important it is for us to outpace China?  My answer is that it is not so important at all!!

Well - I am not saying that we should not improve.  I am not saying that we should continue to play second fiddle.  I am not saying that we should not grow economically.  All that I am saying is that our policies should not be China centric.  We should neither be US or Pakistan centric.  We much look at our own people - inclusive growth!

It is india which first called for inclusive growth.  And India is doing well.  There is numerous issues which need to be tackled on priority.  In fact, our performance is not at all above average in perhaps six out of ten issues across most areas of human activity.  But it is India and not China which is the apple of the world's eye. 

I see lot of positives politically, economically, inclusivity, technologically and on human development.  My assessment is one of hope for India and not gloom.  After all, we are known for stability and not for aggression. 

I for one, would give a thumbs up for India!!


By SR Sham Sunder, CEO/MD/Director Technoaid  | 01 30 2010 05:55:39 +0000
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India vs. China: Whose Economy Is Better?


By RAHUL RANJAN, S/w Developer ,fininfo com  | 01 30 2010 05:14:34 +0000
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Rahul, you need to indicate which side members will support ...INDIA OR CHINA. Please modify. Thanks.


By Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit  | 01 29 2010 18:44:07 +0000
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India has all the potential to become world’s economic super power, but what is preventing it from reaching the top position is its population density and economic policies. China represents almost 20% of world population of 6.7 billion (2008) and India about 17% (2008). By 2040, India's population is expected to be 1.52 billion; that same year, China's will be 1.45 billion and India will become the world's most populous country. The one point programme of political parties in India is to gain power and remain in power by hook or crook. The so called development programmes are not for real development but aimed at winning elections by maintain the gap between the rich and the poor. If we allow the population to grow at the current level of 1.6% we will become world’s super power by  2040 in terms of population and world’s largest exporter of educated slaves.

 

India

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189238487

172168306

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20.1

142085665

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94

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94

65 years and over

5.2

28285796

31277725

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8.0

50652480

55472661

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By K LAXMINARAYANA RAO, Freelancer  | 01 29 2010 16:24:46 +0000
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If you go on performance side right now, of course the chinese economy is better. However, on basics, we have excellent economic system, but because of lack of consensus ad idem amongst constituent factors of the indian economy we are not performing well.

We also need to become compatible in accordance with the trends of world economy and we must also have qualitative penetration in the world market.. but our authorities are not caring in this direction...

Our system personnel has become follower and our people has lost the concept of leadership and planning based on accurate forecasting... in our country most of the people now have excellent mind to handle the money but they have no expertise in generating options for the money... that  side really require to care for and update ourselves accordingly...

We must note, the chinese are communists and they first prefer to generate and not to handle....


By Santosh Dwivedi, Media N' Marketing  | 01 29 2010 15:07:12 +0000
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Sudeep pretty much sumed up the whole thing. I agree with him.


By Mathew Cherian, Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University  | 01 29 2010 19:13:51 +0000
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China is performing better than India in every field. It is due to the faith on the system that they have developed in spite of criticism from western world. The Chinese didn't bother any body and continued to perform what they feel right. That’s why they became leaders and not followers. The recession didn't create problem for China. Our system is "Chaltika nam Gadi". Our leadership, our own people needs more determination and dedication from the core of the heart for the nation building. We are only availing the advantage of the democratic system but unable to carry the moral responsibilities and democratic values. We are more selfish day by day which creates problems for the country. We can do better but our attitude should need to change first..


By Santosh Kumar Mohanty, Civil Engineer-Municipal, Sambalpur University  | 01 29 2010 14:34:46 +0000
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Interesting debate..

Well said Sudeep...all the way china is doing much better than India...hence expecting faster economic growth there.....just this is the only reason China is much better than India???? can't say...

They have got good infrastructure...and still they are doing..Govt and its initiatives are fantastic in China as compared to India...

But in my country we are also doing the same thing but at low speed...though pace is good but comparatively it seems slow....basic difference between these two countries are.....can you imagine..

One - free voice...it always provide a better path to success, if interpret rightly.

Two - intelectual power .. we are much better than any country of the world...brain always works like a parachute (it works when it open only)...we can see in near future that Indians are outsourcing there lobour activities to China...but China forced to do the labour work there itself...

China is working on skill enhancement but at lower level..they need the follower not leader..its a unidimensional approach....sometime it works better because alignment of decision is better in this case...not always

Keep in mind...our engineers can work like a porter ..we are having multidimensional growth..which is exceptionaly good for long term gains...but there engineers cannot work like an engineer...my observation..

I am sure..if our Govt works with little enthusiasm...we can get the pace ..nobody can chase us..

I wish...all of us shouuld works to make our country proude


By Nitin M Aras, XYZ  | 01 29 2010 09:32:25 +0000
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