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Created by : Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 09 07 2012 08:47:23 +0000
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Yes! There is genuiene feeling of alienation Vs No. It is the usual media overboil.
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i do support renashmi when she says that at the level of the common man there is no ill will. i also second her views regarding people from our eastern states being very fine human beings. notwithsatnding, i must say that one can only see & feel the reasons for their feeling alienated if one is to visit the area. one can see the lack of development. the 'mainland', if i may call it that, is seen by the world - and hence the interest in developing the area - surely at some cost to the north east - cumulatively reaching such high proportions. but now with the media creating a storm, i'm sure successive governments will be left with no choices but to give these wondrful people thier due. media can help us amalgamate. my respects
By Brigadier (Retd) Sunil Chadha,, Nil  09 16 2012 15:59:27 +0000
 
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Maybe the politicians do tend to discriminate. But on athe level of common man, I do not think there is any ill-will among the people from the Eastern India and the rest. In fact given their basic nature the people from the states of East India make great company and are easiest to get along with. They make good colleagues. Yes Politics and media for their self interest exaggerate the problems.


By Renashmi Kaur, Events/Promotion Executive, Eventzo Delight Pvt. Ltd.  09 16 2012 15:19:22 +0000
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Yes there is a genuine sense of alienation for people from East India as we are generally looked upon as not cultured. We are stereo typed as illiterate and poor. India has to understand that the states of Eastern India is just a reflection of the real picture of real India minus the splashy metros and few major cities displayed by the media.
By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 11 29 2012 11:20:40 +0000
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@Rathin Deb, "MY COUNTRY IS THE WORLD AND MY RELIGION IS TO DO GOOD".
By konkan SINGHA, business DEVELOPMENT, SpeechWareNet  | 10 17 2012 09:03:37 +0000
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North-East India is facing a very hard time from the Bangladeshi migrants, the best solution is to merge with CHINA and than to eradicate Islam and its fundamentalism.
By konkan SINGHA, business DEVELOPMENT, SpeechWareNet  | 10 17 2012 05:30:34 +0000
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Really happy to see the response to the debate. i hope we continue to dwell deeper into it as it could help sort out many prejudices we ourselves hold.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 10 05 2012 04:57:28 +0000
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Yes! The debate has generally accepted that there is a sense of tension, maybe not alienation. But I think it is largely due to us in the mainland India. The South Indians faced this a few years ago till we woke to the reality that India does not stop north of the Vindhyas. I guess India will have to accept the same of the part of India east of Eastern Hills. And Shanti's view of Anglo Indians may be true too. We just have to understand that this land is a land of diversity not only in geography, but socially, culturally and ways of living and thinking. As for the media, Yes Vinoy may have a point. It is in its adolescence. Then we need to give it attention reserved for a adolescent. Don't take it too seriously in serious matters. 


By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 10 04 2012 08:05:22 +0000
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yes. it's true but upto little extent but Media makes it more critical.
By Anurag Agrawal, HR Admin Manager  | 10 03 2012 09:43:27 +0000
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Yes, it does exists. Politically, it plays a strategic location as we all know, tribal leaders to some extend foster these kind of attitude among the masses. Moreover, Govt of India is, on the other hand, preserving their identity (keeping their culture, social background intact) in a way help grow this alienation too. Geographically, the rugged exotic mountainous region makes a bit communication by land , a difficult task to be achieved. Socially, howsoever, united the tribes are, their individual identity keep them apart. Tribal groups are many & local leaders take advantage of this. These are the barriers that make others feel alienated.

Knowing all these short-falls, these community needs to gear-up on their own to meet the challenge, by taking all the Govt program. Govt too, needs to come forward to offer them opportunity, in possible ways to help them overcome & establish their identity.


By KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed  | 10 02 2012 06:47:35 +0000
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Firoz has pointed out what goes on in media through an insiders view. It was always what we all suspected.
By Shanti Majoi Deori, Director Marketing (North East India), Globe Trot Tours & Travels  | 10 01 2012 14:37:06 +0000
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Yes! The media plays a very negative times and India pays the price. But I guess we got to remember that TV media is just coming of age in India and is really in its adolescence. Hope it matures fast.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 09 27 2012 08:40:56 +0000
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I share the frustration of Mr.Firoz Ali and Shantiji. The recent happening in North East and consequent tremors in the whole nation is certainly an awful incident. A regional particularly a local problem took turn as a sectarian violence. Some interested groups instigates problems of this kind.
By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 09 24 2012 13:38:59 +0000
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I do agree with Shanti here. Not only Bangalore, everywhere media plays a major role. Why should the media mention names of deceased in the Kokrajhar riots? I presume, it is only to tell the Hindus how many Hindus are killed, and to the Muslims, 'see so many Muslims are killed, what are you waiting for'! Media has a major role to play, but they believe that they are above anything. Bullshit. I am from the media, and prior to that I too was in a daily english newspaper, and I know what they do. aam aadmi believes in every word printed in a newspaper or words said in any TV channel. Please do not forget that the people who runs this media organization are also human being, and they are not error free. Sometime they do make mistake unknowingly, sometime with 'a purpose', and some time they are just stupid enough to not to think what their actions might lead others into.


By Firoz Ali, Accounts Manager, Perfect10 Advertising  | 09 24 2012 12:49:53 +0000
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But I must add that the Bangalore fiasco was largely caused by irresponsible Tv media and offcourse the criminal use of social media.
By Shanti Majoi Deori, Director Marketing (North East India), Globe Trot Tours & Travels  | 09 24 2012 12:07:09 +0000
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Shameena it is commendable when you point out the need for knowledge of ground reality. I think is the problem with the amalgation that vinoy mentions about but does not take place. With all fondness, I must confess that majority of Indians do not have a good feel of the ground culture of the North Easterns. Many friends of mine who belong to the Anglo Indian community too face this problem. I guess this is the area where we Indians as a nation needs to work on.


By Shanti Majoi Deori, Director Marketing (North East India), Globe Trot Tours & Travels  | 09 24 2012 12:01:48 +0000
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Sorry if you misinterpreted my statement " why only Shanti and I should be the voice of the NE?" By the statement, I meant from the region with hard ground knowledge. I also strongly back Srinivas' contention that we have begun to look after ourselves as Telganaites, marathis, Bengalis etc.. This is nothing short of calamity for a diverse country like India. We are already split down the middle by caste and to a lesser extent religion and language. Least we need is a split on diverse local identity. As pointed in another debate on this forum ( http://toostep.com/idea/what-i-like-about-india-is ) - the way we have existed alongside each other as a nation is a miracle by itself.


By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 09 23 2012 06:39:54 +0000
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Yes Firoz is right this attitude of amalgamation and thinking of us as Indians first will lead us to further unity in purpose.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 09 21 2012 09:09:18 +0000
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Thanks Srinivas, for sharing my views. That is my personal views. I don't have control over other people's minds. All are free to think, but I think, we should think positively.


By Firoz Ali, Accounts Manager, Perfect10 Advertising  | 09 21 2012 08:14:35 +0000
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Firoz Ali sir, ....."first I am an Indian, then Assamese and then a Muslim, and I am proud of that", I salute you for this statement. Country first, then the regions, then the communities then the individuals.. we are missing the broader perspective. See the affairs of Andhra Pradesh, ruling party MPs, MLAs and even Ministers are not hesitating to give provocative statements for the cause of Separate Telangana. They have every right to seek a separate statehood for their region. For that they can not play divisive politics and pollute the minds of the people of the different regions. People are confining themselves to their castes, communities, regions. The broader perspective of India is missing. I thank you for your comments.
By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 09 21 2012 05:14:16 +0000
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Shameena, thanks for your support. However, why only Shanti and I should be the voice of the NE? If we live in one India, why cannot we all can be the voice of the NE or that matter for any part of the country? Folks, please come forward, our predecessor fought for one India, and we should also talk about one India. And if one of us is feeling neglected, (irrespective of whether he is neglected or not) we should try the extra step to see that he is not neglected or does not feel like neglected any more. As far as I am concerned, first I am an Indian, then Assamese and then a Muslim, and I am proud of that.


By Firoz Ali, Accounts Manager, Perfect10 Advertising  | 09 20 2012 10:47:50 +0000
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Firoz and Shanti seems to be voices of the NE. And posts by them prove what I have always held from my experience with them. They are large hearted and jolly by nature. They do not cringe and cry like most of Indians. Hence they are neglected. The Annna experiment and Iron Sharmila are wonderful experiments. We wasted a good 1 year on Anna and his team(just look at the buffoon they have turned out today.). But how many of us even remembers a brave lady like Sharmila. Time rest of India wakes up.


By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 09 20 2012 08:53:44 +0000
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Thanks to Vinay who brought up the subject, and all of you who participate in it. I hv to thank all of you as a northeasterner and therefore I am touched by your feelings and concern. However, I cannot, at all, agree with Sharib Ahmed who is saying something far from the subject matter. The word 'allienatd' perhaps is not totally correct, do you think 'neglected' would be a better word? I don't know. We (the Northeast) are being neglected by the so-called mainland 'high society' for long. The media does not talk about the NE which is the proud owner of the highest rainfall area of the world, the one horn rhino, world's largest river island, tea, oil, diverse culture, flora and fauna, etc. Please do come and discover yourself, a lifetime will fall short. That is one aspect. the other, politicians everywhere neglected the NE in terms of development. The recent carnage was also instigated by politicians. We love to live in peace and harmony. But that was taken for granted, and misunderstood. Mr Sharib has said that we live in one country. Very true. But how come we have separate laws for separate parts of the same country? For example, if anyone has any doubt about my ethnicity, he just has to make a call to 100, and it will be on me to prove that I am a genuine Indian. But come to Assam, for the same case, the complainant has to prove that the other is an immigrant! Does anyone think that when such an absurd law is there, any immigrant can be deported? Often people ask me, how far is Guwahati from Assam! It is like asking how far is Mumbai from Maharashtra or Delhi from India! Media does not talk about us. I see some participant here from the travel & tourism industry. Friends, how often do you promote the NE when someone wants to go on holiday or explore India! True, because of some ultras, people are scared to visit there. But are everyone living in the NE are a terrorist? Aren't people from other parts of the country are making a living in the NE? the Sikhs, the Nepalese, the Bengalis, the Biharis, the Marwaris are there for generations. To make a living in the NE, the do feel safe, yet to visit for a few days we get scared. Even then, have we ever tried to find out why so much angst in the NE? The media is full of Anna Hazare's fast. Hoe many people know that a girl called 'iron Sharmila' is on fast for years against army atrocities in Manipur? Iron Sharmila is alive today because she is on drips for years and the government cannot simply let her die. Only one journalist, Mr Kishalay Bhattacharjee of NDTV, is following Iron Sharmila's case. Sorry, we have lots of grievances against the mainland. But that does not mean that we want to be separated. We are Indian, and we would like to die as an Indian. And thanks again to all of you for your kind words for us and your concern for us.
By Firoz Ali, Accounts Manager, Perfect10 Advertising  | 09 18 2012 07:53:18 +0000
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It would unfair to use the term 'alienation'. But yes there is a underlying sense of tension whenever our people engage with the people from areas in rest of India, especially Western India. It arises largely because of lack of amalgamation. Surprising because we as pointed out already are easy go lucky types. Maybe a few years more of interaction will change the trend.
By Shanti Majoi Deori, Director Marketing (North East India), Globe Trot Tours & Travels  | 09 17 2012 12:27:20 +0000
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Yes Brig. Chadha is correct bang on. The people of N.E India have been sharing a good relationship with people all over India. This speaks more for the attitude of North Eastern citizens than any thing else. It would be surprising to note how many of them are looked at as "chin..." & Chink"...Many of them are looked upon as foreigners more due to ignorance than any other. As pointed out politicians too have neglected the areas of the East for years now.
By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 09 17 2012 08:27:55 +0000
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No doubt the India experiment has largely been an outstanding success in last 6 decades. Especially in the field of democracy, universal adult franchise and freedom to thought and action, India has been a huge success. However we cannot sweep under the carpet the failing we as a state have to confront. Especially in the areas we usually hold our heads high in. The proposer of the debate believes our inability to amalgamate our fellow country men in The North East is a big blot on our record. We have largely alienated these sections due to our ignorance and self obsession. So much so that today they do genuinely share a feeling disenchantment.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 09 08 2012 10:55:28 +0000
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Vinoy I am in total agreement with your views on the subject. Very well explained.


By Rathin Deb, Advisor and retail consultant, currently as Branch Manager, Tower Infotech Ltd  | 09 08 2012 08:28:50 +0000
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Today we dont have statesmen we have only politicians who lacks appeal and vision. They cant understand the feelings of the people. They are nothing more than the bureaucrat. Since they lacks appeal to public, they are indecisive and experiment with the situations. They cant foresee the needs of the people because they lacks vision. They believe in running the show by hook or crook. People have no right to say except for the right to vote which we largely misuse. These representatives decide the fate of the people on behalf of the people. Once they are given power, you have to bear their acts till you get the chance to pull them back after 5 years of term. For them they are there to impose taxes, levies, hike the prices, sold out the public properties, tour the foreign countries for nothing, poses for the media, impose some nonsense programmes. What can we expect from these .... They dont have a feeling for the country. Their goal is to how to grab the power and how to stick to it.
By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 09 07 2012 09:33:05 +0000
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No one has the right to stop anyone . We live in india and its our right to work anywhere
By Sharib Ahmad, Software Developer, Chetu India  | 09 07 2012 09:09:39 +0000
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I fully agree with Renashmi Kaur's argument in reference to Mr Makesh Sharma's point of view on the matter.


By Rathin Deb, Advisor and retail consultant, currently as Branch Manager, Tower Infotech Ltd  | 11 30 2012 10:30:12 +0000
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Okay I agree with Makesh that the difference with India and the N-E part of India is the that the N_E states do not seem to have a major city. Yes then we see a edited version of India which is a truer picture. Though I appreciate this diagnosis of yours on the poverty, my comment was largely restricted to the warmth and feelings of people from these parts of the country. And I do not see too much of a divide among the poor ordinary people.


By Renashmi Kaur, Events/Promotion Executive, Eventzo Delight Pvt. Ltd.  | 11 29 2012 11:34:57 +0000
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I am afraid it appears you may not belong to India, if that is so then your point of view has no values for us.


By Rathin Deb, Advisor and retail consultant, currently as Branch Manager, Tower Infotech Ltd  | 10 17 2012 08:00:25 +0000
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The point on geographically hindrance is valid but only to a point especially in this age of powerful communications and travel. Even socially there, diversity is just like as prevalent in any other part of India. We are a sectarian nation. But it does not need to add up to alienation of the local people. The problem is I believe that if there is any disconnect it is from us from the mainland. The people from NE are trying their best to lower their distance from mainland. The alienation does not seem to be from their side.
By Renashmi Kaur, Events/Promotion Executive, Eventzo Delight Pvt. Ltd.  | 10 04 2012 06:39:28 +0000
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I think all the arguments only add up to what Rathin Sir and myself pointed out. The media has glamorized the recent incidents and even propagated confusion. Yes! maybe government does not give priority to matters of North East. Sad because the region gives India very important scope for growth especially in tourism. But I emphasize what I had in mind was people to people attachment. It is rarely that there is communal feelings against people from that region. They are simply too warm and understanding to hold anger against them. In fact the Assam violence shocked me most because I became aware that the region is pool of sectarian divisions. However I never felt that way when I dealt with my friends from North Est. Maybe Shanti Maam and Firoz Sir can explain it best.
By Renashmi Kaur, Events/Promotion Executive, Eventzo Delight Pvt. Ltd.  | 10 01 2012 15:12:58 +0000
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I tend to agree with you Renashmir. But there may be under current or there is misunderstanding about the people of North East but if one visit the North East they will find the excellent behavior is extended to outsiders, who they have gone without any ill motive.

At the same time Media should survive by saying "Breaking News" and that creates confusion and at times takes ugly turn. 


By Rathin Deb, Advisor and retail consultant, currently as Branch Manager, Tower Infotech Ltd  | 09 17 2012 09:32:52 +0000
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