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Created by : RK N, Analyst, Large MNC  | 09 18 2008 01:19:24 +0000
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Is India immune to the present US financial crisis?. What do you say? What measures we should take for weathering the US storm ?

 
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I think the time has come to refine this debate.  I have also stated that effect of the US crisis will be felt in India but I deny that it has the potential to dislodge our economy.  I have gone one step further by stating that others are more affected than India.  Therefore, in the end, it is India that will emerge stronger.  For example, our LIC and SBI+Nationalized banks+City Bank (major players in India in banking and insurance) are not weakened.  They are doing good business.  Consumer spending and real estate market may witness less money pouring on them.  What is the loss?  It will help our poor people to probably buy a house if those going in for the second and third flat do not buy for lack of funds.  It is a hype created by these so called consumer finance banks that consumer spending, if comes down, will affect the economy.  What does a consumer spend on and what is its utility and who gets the benefit of such spending?  Pantalloon, LG, Samsung, Blackberry, Ford, GM and others?

Remember that we have an economist as Prime Minister.  The Government has brought out a scheme that self employment opportunities have to be funded. We should harness our resources, infrastructure and improve quality of our products and services.  We should upgrade technologically.  We must educate better.  We should convert into an entrepreneurial economy.  If proper changes in outlook occurs, there will be no dearth of money to finance these activities. 

Most of toostep participants in this debate are dealing in public money.  I understand your apprehension in exposing this money in a period of risk.  I am a project finance consultant.  If proper changes in outlook and policies occur, I can help identify sufficient, profitable  investment opportunities for both debt and equity participation of all players who are presently active in Indian stock markets.

I am aware that this is a sweeping statement.  My only objective in making this statement is that all of you, who are doing an excellent job of safeguarding public money under your control, just consider other opportunities in India.  It just needs a little more broader point of view.  If one stock exchange model is not doing well, we have the possibility to create 50 other exchanges which can do well.  I have a project for KRATE (Knowledge, Resources And Talent Exchange).  Any takers?


By SR Sham Sunder, CEO/MD/Director Technoaid  10 01 2008 03:04:36 +0000
 
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Due to financial markets integration worldwide,India is definately not immune to US financial crisis However, impact is not expected to be too bad.Three basic Reasons are :(1) Our exposure to us market is substantial-IT industry's revenue is largely comming from US and europe marketand both markets are  prone to sub-prime crisis.(2)FII ,on-an-average, contribute 50% of market turnover and proportion of  US investors (directly and through PN route) is substantial here.(3) Exposure of Lehman as well as other US PE/Banks/IBanks etc. to Realty sector is huge (Few expert suggests that its even more than their capital market investments).It is ,therefore, obvious that FII flow will be moderated if not reduced considerably,IT sector will be in bad shape for atleast some time.Financial services sectors too will be sorrow mode.Overall,  the major drivers of indian economy-service sector- will be down and so the economy will be down.
By Sanjay Thakur, PhD Student in Finance(Portfolio Risk Management), IIT Bombay  09 18 2008 12:15:18 +0000
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I agree with you sham, in fact I will say we should use credit crisis to our advantage. Credit crisis gives an edge to our banks with depositors flocking to ‘safety’ and banks emerging as main source of funds for corporates and businesses, there lies a strong opportunity for Indian banks. Because of the credit crunch, banks can choose whom to lend and whom not to. It will also give them an opportunity to not only improve their margins, but also improve their credit quality. But yes to retain this advantage, banks should not give up on their customer orientation. They could also look at strengthening their human resources and diversify businesses at such times...
By Swati Raut, Product Manager, Aviva  | 11 07 2008 09:58:44 +0000
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We have the talent.  We have a large middle class market.  Our facilities and services are not overpriced on global standards, although we are fast catching up.  For investors, there is no dearth of good projects.  Our manufacturing potential has not stagnated.  We are in demand on services.  Indians are buying the world.  Perhaps, projects aimed at globalizing (improving to global standards) India, its lifestyle, its infrastructure, its industries, its sports, its talents, its education, its resources' development  etc. can feed investors of the world for the next ten years.  What are we waiting for?  True, a major financial system has collapsed.  Many world leaders in the financial market have bitten dust.  Liquidity has sufferred.  Some Indian banks have also taken a hit.  They may (not!) go bankrupt too??  Many software companies may lose orders.  Their bottomlines may suffer.  But that is not end of the world in India.  The mistake that is happening is that we tend to invest on those shares on which FII money has fallen.  Once they withdraw their investment, we lose our money because their withdrawal can sink that share.  The case of Pantalloon is an example.  It is a brand and investors into the company have suffered.  What is so big about it?  We lose some and gain some.  Just because we lose in some, if we do not enter the market at all and stay away from it, the market sinks further.  In entrepreneurship, we consider a problem as an opportunity.  Let us filter our options and identify good scripts.  They market it down and good scripts we may get cheaply.   Let us do some proper financial appaisal and filter our options.  We could consider encouraging new projects who would not have had the wherewithal to list their shares.  We could start our SME exchange.  After all, the Government has brought out a scheme where banks should lend without collateral on good projects and many good projects have not yet been sanctioned by banks because of their extra-cautiousness.  If we conduct a survey of unimplemented projects lying in financial institutions, we could open a goldmine.  I am not saying that you shake hands with an unknown person and give him a briefcase full of money.  It is time we change the pattern of our investment.  All our investors who have stayed away from the stock markets remind me of Tenali Ramakrishna's Cat!  That is the reason I iterate - Our Mutual Funds should change their mindset and Government should open up the SME sector for investment.  In India, scaling up is the biggest bottleneck for an entrepreneur.  On the other hand, many large companies and investors have not identified their scaling up potential.  Similarly, one large company can technologically upgrade ten smaller activities and scale it up.  This potential has also not been given a thought.  All mergers and acquisitions that are happening are only tip of the iceberg.  The potential is enormous.
By SR Sham Sunder, CEO/MD/Director Technoaid  | 09 28 2008 15:15:37 +0000
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There is sure to be some damage and India suffers too.  My point is that it can withstand it.  After the shocks are withstood, I am looking ahead.  Afterall, funds have to be deployed.  At this point of time, India should be the first choice.  What we have been doing all along is that we allow FIIs to identify opportunities in India and invest first here and then we follow suit.  They are the first movers and they book their profits comfortably (That they did not succeed wholly is a different matter).  Why not we reverse the trend.  We are not suffering from lack of liquidity now.  We are only cautious at present.  Perhaps, our caution itself may contribute to the damage India is likely to suffer?  My view is that Indians should take fair exposure - mark my words, not being extra bullish - to the extent that it contributes for stability of Indian economy.  Let FIIs then come in at a cost.  I am confident that they will be made to come in, for they may not have better alternatives!
By SR Sham Sunder, CEO/MD/Director Technoaid  | 09 24 2008 02:54:07 +0000
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No India is not at all immune to crrent crisis. b'cause we r still dependent on projects from US
By Niket Patel, Operations Manager, MCX Ltd  | 09 20 2008 01:24:05 +0000
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Hi, I have already put my views 8 months back.No country can be immune of any such crisis but India is least affected among the BRIC Economy. Economy of Brazil is in bad shape, Russia has "announced" 9% Fiscal deficit and GDP contraction. China is in "very bad " shape, one being biggest lender to US and secondly, blindly creating huge and huge infrastructure and capacity without thinking of demand side.Indian economy is ofcourse affected, more of those sectors which are related with US-like IT,ITES and Retail which is partly responsible for real-estate bubble which has started encroching now its own profit and  also did mindless expnasion without moving vertically in value chain etc. Indian financial sector is recovering fast, liquidity is not a big issue, although I still feel that liquidity is not reaching to SMEs and others it is meant to.Stable govt. formation and mood of Market is just strengthing my confidence in our economy and business.


By Sanjay Thakur, PhD Student in Finance(Portfolio Risk Management), IIT Bombay  | 05 28 2009 19:14:48 +0000
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Looking at our exposure to global market one can't remain immune from heat of recession. As due to recession the flow of fund block & also purchasing power of the developed country reduce, which is our ultimate destination of export goods.


By Abhay Dodiya, B.Com. M.B.A.(Fin.)  | 05 28 2009 07:10:56 +0000
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India is not immune to the crisis in US. US is a major trading partner for India in imports as well as exports. We have lots of FDI and FII investment from US.  Bulk of our forex reserves are in USD. The dollar weakening, resulting from the present crisis may adversely affect the value of our reserves and other assets, receivables etc. FII outflows already affected our stock market and rupee value. Indian stock markets and rupee are doing well only in fits and starts. The USD 700 bn bailout, even if revived may not solve the US and global financial crisis. This bail out according to a reputed US research organisation is a drop in the bucket. The crisis in US will continue to torment the global markets including Indian markets. India becoming a favourite investment destination may be in the long term. India can not be immune from the crisis in US in the short and medium term.


By veguru vijayakumar babu, Head/VP/GM-Finance/Audit, Sujana Group Of Companies  | 09 30 2008 11:16:39 +0000
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Immune .. completely .. no and not possible. They, the Big Brother and its group have already trapped us and the globe in the brilliant idea of "Globalisation" - now India and rest of the globe is also to "share" burden of crisis knowingly created by their financial system. This Mortgate Banks, iBanks etc in the USA was 'overleveraging' their capacities only to gurner (temporary) profit - they were encouraging third (credit) rated individuals to borrow for even luxarious housings, borrow for lavish consumptions. They  were cunningly creating artificial demand in the society and were gaining from exorbitant interest earnings which ultimately collapsed with all its building blocks. Had they not done these, the real picture of recession and slagging economy in the USA could have come to limelight much earlier, some say seven/eight years past. If noticed at early stage, corrections could have been easier and the entire Global Financial System might not haveimpacted.

 India and some Asian countries are said to be lucky - India, meanwhile, have created domestic demand for goods and services by uplifting the economic conditions of its people. A good-sized 'middle class' is here to consume. Yet, this country may not remain completely "immune" from the turmoil as in both ends, some are exposed. We are to be cautious. Learn the lesson ... over leveraging might take its tole  ?


By ASOKE KUSARI, Domestic Private Banking-Executive/Manager, A large leading PSU Bank - India  | 09 28 2008 11:01:56 +0000
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I do not think India is immune to the financial crisis in America. Although banks in India have very limited exposure in bankrupt Lehmann or Merrill Lynch, its fund exposure that these organisations have in Indian markets, either in the form of stocks, private equity or its contribution in real estate funds that is worrisome. Real estate sector has been dependent on these mega corporations for raising funds and these companies found Indian housing market attractive because of the double digit returns. By unwinding its positions in stocks like Pantaloon, Gujarat NRE Coke etc. Morgan Stanley had ensured that its ready for conversion into bank and our markets tanked, with each of the stocks in which MS had holding taking a huge hit. I expect a few names (read:Fortis, UBS, Deutsche) to come out from Europe in the coming weeks and liquidation of their holdings in our stock indices. Nowhere our markets are insulated from US financial crisis...as is reflected by job cuts in IT sector and freeze in recruitments by most of the banks in the country.

So just hope that US bailout plan works in favour of US economy and investors return to the market...gradually but surely... 


By Venkatachalam S, Manager - Treasury Sales (Forex and Derivatives), Development Credit Bank Limited  | 09 27 2008 11:35:00 +0000
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In todays world where most of the things are well connected due to the technology revolution,how then any one can be immune of anything.Well degree of effectiveness may vary.For eg in India stock broker reacts to the US stock news of midnight next day morning whereas we do not trade in any of the US stocks over here nor we are so matured economy as theirs ,but then also we get effected hence India cannot be immune to the things happening around at MACRO Economy level.
By V.H.BHANDARI , Country Finance Manager, New Horizon Computer Training  | 09 27 2008 09:59:23 +0000
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Good point sham but I don't think so we can see that trend happening in India...The credit crunch means that fresh financing of both consumers and industry is going to slow down, in the US and globally.Several companies that had banked on cheap loans and high IPO prices will now find doors closed. And this problem may persist further...

By Rohit Khanna, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, Accenture  | 09 24 2008 12:25:55 +0000
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How can we remain immune when the entire world suffers. Post globalisation we are also part of the global village. Even the extent of damage could be anything. We need to wait till the storm has completely passed to assess the damage. If situatuion does not improves within medium term it could be bad for a growing economy like ours
By Amit Kumar Agarwal, CFO Apnaa Comodity Trade Pvt. Ltd  | 09 23 2008 13:58:56 +0000
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I would say that India will come out of it unscathed.  I refuse to believe that the world economy can be manipulated by few US financial institutions, even if few of them together equal India's GDP.  What is our loss, let's analyze:  It is true that FIIs' activity will be considerably less here.  It is true that low cost funds will dry up.  It is true that major IT markets will dry up too.  But we are not those who get bogged down by all these.  If FIIs do not pump money into Indian market, we Indians should invest in Indian economy.  If low cost international funds are not available, they should be made available in India itself ( I would throw open an article shortly, with a radical view that a taxless governance is possible!!!!).  Ideally, International investments in India should actually increase since it is the Indian economy that is solid and capable of withstanding shocks.  Investor confidence should therefore increase in favour of India.  If US FIIs do not have money to invest in India, let them not do so.   Investment into US were mostly from other countries.  All this money should go to safer and more productive markets now that the US economy has weakened.  Why not India?!


By SR Sham Sunder, CEO/MD/Director Technoaid  | 09 22 2008 18:47:56 +0000
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We  are  yet   to  learn  global  economics. We  tend  to  follow  othhers  and  pickup difinancial  instriments  etc., wscarded  yindustries,which  have  failed  in  other  countries. We  shuold  build  our  economy  on  our  strength  ,diversity,democracy,young  intelligent  workforce  etc  and  just  not  copy  what  has  worked  short  term  elsewhere  but  failed in  the  long  run. This  is  our  weakness  we  tend  to  pick  up  others  debtis.

 


By seshadri srinivasan, Admin/Facilities Manager, ashok leyland,technical centre,chennai 103  | 09 21 2008 05:53:29 +0000
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India can not be immune to U.S. slowdown but the impact will not be to that extent because of our own market and infrastucture developement.The boom in the capital market was very fast as such time correction is taking place. Our economy will grow @8 to 8.5% which will insure maturity in our financial system.
By Bhuneshwar Ram Tripathi, Head/VP/GM-Production/Manufacturing, Bhatia International Ltd.  | 09 21 2008 03:49:16 +0000
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It's ugly about the worst I've seen in many years, the bankruptcy filing of Lehman Brothers and Bank of America acquired the struggling brokerage Merrill Lynch. And the AIG case, definitely India cannot remain immune to the present financial crisis, but the impact could be moderate if the country's policy makers be cautious and conservative in their approach.
By RK N, Analyst, Large MNC  | 09 18 2008 02:10:01 +0000
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