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Created by : Anil Kumar Singh, Senior Consultant, GKC  | 08 18 2008 06:18:38 +0000
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Indian democracy unfair to Muslims: Shabana Azmi
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indian_democracy_unfair_to_Muslims_Shabana_Azmi/rssarticleshow/3371893.cms

Do you think Indian Democracy is unfair to Muslims...

 
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Let's just state the facts and not opinions. The Muslims in this country are being marginalised and the extent of their deprivation is unimaginable.
For starters, pls refer to the Sachar committee report.

By Vinod Yadav, Marketing Manager, L & T  09 18 2008 05:23:06 +0000
 
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Always Indian Govt. has given maximum support to Muslim community. Today the scenario is that compared to other castes, Muslims are enjoying maximum benefits from the indian govt. No other nation having muslim majority is giving such support as Indian govt is giving them.


By N. NAGESHWARAN, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, M/s. KEC INTERNATIONAL LTD. (an RPG group)  11 13 2009 19:01:21 +0000
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In our country democracy is fair but it doesnot help weaker sections of our society because spineless & corrupt are ruling India. Poor has to suffer irrespective of religion / caste.
By dinesh kumar sharma, ZONAL SALES MANAGER - NORTH, WOCKHARDT LTD  | 02 25 2011 10:39:27 +0000
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Shabana azmi is wrong when she blames Indian Democracy. Democracy gives equal rights to everybody, so it can not be unfair to muslims. Indian political social system poses some real problems for muslims:

1. There is no worthwhile support to muslims in the face of growing coercion from some sections asking them to abondon their identity in the name of national integration.

2.Muslim and christian SC/ST are not entitled for any reservation. If religion can not be a ground for granting reservation, how can it remain a ground for denying reservation since so many years.

3. Many castes among muslims, ditto equivalent to OBC castes, are not recognised as OBC.

4. Media is biggest culprit against muslim, which boosts myths of muslim appeasement and high population growth, never supported by authentic statistical data.

5.Our Political system, instead of addressing muslims real and genuine concerns, gives symbolic lollypops, which is being highlighted by media. for example real Muslims never ask for Haj subsidy, becoz it is their duty to bear the expences of Haj, and not that of government. they demand decent public schools and colleges , basic civil services like water and sanitation etc in their locality. but government ignores it and gives them Haj subsidy to a handful of them, so that media and hostile elements get a chance to creat an atmosphere against them. Same goes for many other schemes, say, waqf grants, most part of which lands in the pockets of related mantris and babus.

6.It has been proved in majority of cases police framed charges against weaker sections,  specially muslims. Courts found police guilty of worst kind of unprofessioanl and immoral conduct. But there is rarely any attempt to make police force acountable and responsible. where will this ultimately lead to?Many careers and families have been ruined due to this. people had to sell off their houses to pay heavy court fees.

7.One can pass any remark against pending court case of Babari Masjid and it is not contempt of court.

8.Sri krisna commission report on Bombay riots merely did not exist.

9. VHP etc can openly declare that they will not obey court decision in Babari case, if it is against them. Ordinarily this offense amounts rebellion against nation.

  Despite all this I sincerely think that Indian Democracy is far mor healthy than paki or bengali democracy.

 


By kashif , Claims Executive, ministry  | 05 23 2010 12:07:12 +0000
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india is a democratic , socialist secular republic and their is no question of unfairness towards muslims , yes at individual levels there could be some biases , which are prevalent globallly amongst different communities.
By dinesh kumar sharma, ZONAL SALES MANAGER - NORTH, WOCKHARDT LTD  | 04 15 2010 17:53:45 +0000
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No. not at all. Indian government is allways supportive to the Muslims. They should compare their selves with the Muslims gone in Pakistan at the time of partition and this will be a reply to this question.In fact Muslims are minority now a days.
By Krishna Bhardwaj, Lyrics Writer, Freelancer  | 04 15 2010 15:28:07 +0000
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no. not at all,,, In a country , where former PRESIDENT (Hon. Dr. Kalaam) was a muslim,how democracy can be unfair to Muslims. People, infact the muslim community just need to think in a positive & broad manner that they are not just a community , They are INDIANS & the whole INDIA is always with them...
By jyoti sharma, Asset Operations/Documentation-Executive/Manager, Atam Printways Pvt. Ltd.  | 04 15 2010 15:06:22 +0000
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Muslims are having fun in India at the cost of Hindu money. They are vote bank of all political parties. They bring their brothers & sisters from Pakistan n Bangladesh & help them getting Indian citizenship. J&K has its own constitution. Our PM MMS says - Muslims have the first right over India's resources. Muslims have separate laws. Muslims can have FOUR WIVES. Muslims use their own language - Urdu, a foreign language but not any Indian language. What they want more ???????
By Ravi Gautam, Material Mgmt Executive/Manager, Reliance Energy  | 02 25 2011 05:15:23 +0000
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Muslims are having fun in India at the cost of Hindu money. They are vote bank of all political parties. They bring their brothers & sisters from Pakistan n Bangladesh & help them getting Indian citizenship. J&K has its own constitution. Our PM MMS says - Muslims have the first right over India's resources. Muslims have separate laws. Muslims can have FOUR WIVES. Muslims use their own language - Urdu, a foreign language but not any Indian language. What they want more ???????
By Ravi Gautam, Material Mgmt Executive/Manager, Reliance Energy  | 02 25 2011 05:15:20 +0000
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Well..I dont agree in blaming the Muslim community as a whole in this scenario...There maybe some Muslims who are not getting the benefit of Indian democracy and there can be some who are enjoying the benefits...to decide if Indian government is really supportive to Muslims, we will have to find out the number of Muslims who are actually benefited..so, to blame the entire community or the present goverment, is absolutely wrong...
By Rumman Siddiqui, Analyst, Mphasis  | 05 23 2010 19:14:51 +0000
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As minority community they are getting all types of benefits and concessions. Still they are not satisfied. They seeem to want more. Problem is with the politicians who want to cultivate the vote bank and the local "imams" who issue outrageous statements and demands.
By V. Srinivas, Freelancer, Information Technology  | 05 23 2010 15:45:33 +0000
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India democracy is not unfair to any religion. May be the system creates this dilemma and the Muslim or Islamic laws are far different then the Indian constitution. There is a grave poorness and education among Muslims is very low has resulted in dissatisfaction and sum of these creates the questions of democratic unfair.


By Hussain Fatehpurwala, Physiotherapist, Saifee Hospital  | 05 23 2010 12:45:30 +0000
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I THINK IT'S A JOKE ......

India is the only Hindu country where muslims are given utmost importance, I am not endorsing castism, but the treatment & regulations should be eqivallent for each one.

muslims are very fortunate that they are living in such country where politicians are always ready to provide them utmost care.


By Brij Kishor Mishra, Product Specialist at Alcon Laboratories India Pvt Ltd.  | 04 16 2010 05:22:22 +0000
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I think that it is a silly question to ask Mr.Anil.Since many decades treatment being given to Muslims has been unparalleled.There are examples from all the fields and sectors-politics,society,economy,culturally they have been given freedom like not a single sect enjoys in India.They get hugely subsidized HUJ pilgrimage,THOUGH THEY ARE IN MAJORITY BUT STILL CALLED MINORITY,unbridled population and EVERY POLITICAL PARTY TREATS THEM LIKE THEIR SON-IN LAWS....I believe that Indian democracy has made this sect most important from the point of VOTE BANK...

INDIAN GOVERNMENT CAN GO TO ANY LENGTH TO DO BETTER FOR THIS SECT.THIS IS THE GOSPEL TRUTH I AM TALKING ABOUT..


By DEEPAK SHARMA, Business Acquisition through Bidding channels, RFPs, Account Management, Relationship Management, Safaltek Software Pvt. Ltd.  | 04 16 2010 02:55:23 +0000
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i m not ready with this. indian goverment give lots of benfit for muslim. becoz they have vote bank . more population is best part of muslim community . so i m not redy indian democracy is unfair for muslim even we can say indian democracy unfair for other caste like general etc
By gagan rekhi, Senior Associate bpo last 1 year  | 04 15 2010 21:52:35 +0000
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I am with Mr.Nageshwaran on this issue Indian Muslims at least a majority of them choose to remain in dark and blame it on the others for their spite  .This has become a norm


By R.SANJAY GREGORY WILLIAMS, HR-Admin MNager, CItrisys solutions  | 04 15 2010 13:12:56 +0000
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This fear factor among muslims have broken India in several parts.How many more parts she wants.Muslims are much safer in India.


By ravikant sharma, Service/Maintenance Supervisor, AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE  | 11 24 2009 13:58:11 +0000
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those who feel the system as been unfair to muslims and so they r backward must take a look at muslim in south India. educational, socially,and financially (they are rich) they are miles ahead of Muslims in the north. how did they have access to the same system?

there is bias & prejudice in some quarter that needs to be fought. We all earn our place in the society the hard way and if one feels vulnerable the journey is harder


By Priya Varadan, Independent consultant, Self employed  | 11 11 2009 09:04:43 +0000
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Not at all, rather Muslims in India live like king today. They are getting Quotas,September 12th has been declared as National Islamic day and in any problem with non Muslims, no matter whoever is guilty, government always takes their side because they are the biggest vote bank. Which minority gets benefits in other countries?


By Jayant Vishnu, Art Director/Sr Art Director, Creative  | 08 25 2009 12:17:05 +0000
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Oh Common..

Democracy...Unfair=Golden chair..Made of wood

Sachar commitee was not constituted when Kashmiris thrown out of Kashmir?

I think if all non muslims walk through ring of FIRE and say we are not unfair to them..may be that will make the democracy fair.

I can't see any other possible ammendments to the CONSTITUTION of the Republic Of India.

 


By Sayan Chakraborty, Senior ERP Consultant, International Business machines  | 08 24 2009 18:08:29 +0000
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Indian democracy is not at all unfair to any community, it's only the politicians and external factors (outside India) who creates rift among the communities.


By Manoj , Branch Manager/Regional Manager Path Infotech Ltd  | 04 15 2009 12:12:23 +0000
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Not at all.

Indian democracy has equal opportunities to all Indians, regardless of their religions.

There may be some people, who do not want to see Muslims as dedicated Indians, who have vested interests in marginalising Muslims from mainstream for their own vested interests. Such people keep on giving such statements every now and then. No importance should be given to such statements


By Prakash Saitwal, Technical Support Manager, Aditya Birla Management Corporation P. Ltd.  | 04 01 2009 10:13:09 +0000
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No way.. If it was so, all the muslims in India would have gone to Pakistan or to some other muslim countries decades back.. Infact India is supporting them even after all these terrorist attacks.. Even now if anybody feel so, I would say "please clear off the country and go wherever you want.."


By Shaju George, Facilities/Construction Manager, IBS Software Services (P) Ltd  | 04 01 2009 10:02:12 +0000
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IT'S unfair neither to

muslims , sc , st , backwards , naxalites , upper /lower castes , aggrieved if any in hindustan

haq , roti , paisa , has to be snatched from the money hoarders don't cry that anybody is being discrminated against by anybody.

merit ki ladaai honi chahiya if you have the skills and the guts you can survive .

mind it this is a doggy eat doggy world .

" survival of the fittest " AS darwin pleads so , this dictum prevails and is a supreme law of nature.


By Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu  | 04 01 2009 08:23:37 +0000
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I definitely agree with what nital and anil says, if a personality like shabana azmi will say like this then what can we expect from others. In my view there has not been any bias towards muslims in this country and this can be proved from the fact that muslim people are ahead in various fields and they have been given top positions in major indian companies and moreover whatever the laws that are their in our country they applied to everyonr irrespective of their caste or religion.

so personally it is utterly nonsense on shabana azmi part to say something like this.


By Sudeep Tarafdar, Senior Consultant, IBM  | 04 01 2009 08:08:56 +0000
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Dear Anil,

If you thought her to be secular earlier than you were mistaken. She is and has always been a communist. The article from her clearly shows her true colours which she had been trying to hide till now. If at all you track her so called 'Public Service' functions and activities you can very well get to know her associates so commonly seen with her. They are all communitists.

The communists are trying gain ground in areas where they do not have presence and such personalities are trying to lay the ground for them. If you the area of operations of such personalities, it would be anywhere except Kerala or Andhra or Tamil Nadu or Bengal (Barring Nandigram).

Thus I am not at all surprised.

Nital.


By Nital Dave, Partner/Principal/VP, Solutions Partners  | 09 19 2008 23:43:00 +0000
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HI

There is nothing like that. Indian democracy is not dominant for Muslims. This all depands on the way of thinking. Muslims has to feel that India is also there country. Why most of them are praying Pakistan & terrorism. Why only Muslims thinks that they are poor and minority Hindu, Sikh are also poor but they love working hard not going to terrorists. So they have to change there mind set that India is not their enemy they are too indians. They should feel proud to be an Indian why they think that India means Hindu. India is for all for peace & quite.

sachin 

 

 


By sachin , Team Leader -(NonTechnical), Infor Global Solutions  | 09 19 2008 03:23:09 +0000
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Downright rubbish.... we are infact taking care of them better than the Muslim countries......in all spheres.....and giving them the freedom and space and ofcourse special care even if 100% of terrorist are Muslims...
By Jambu Iyer, International Property Consultant  | 09 16 2008 23:37:35 +0000
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Total crap from Shabana ji, Muslims have occupied high positions in India, including the post of President of India, Chief Justices of Supreme Court and captain of Indian cricket team. And the Khans are ruling the Bollywood with entire nation appreciating everyones work.
By Jagbir Singh, Senior Consultant, Ernst & Young  | 08 19 2008 06:09:29 +0000
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She is shameless to say that she couldn't buy any property in Mumbai. Did she have any idea that no Indian can buy any property in J&K.
By amit chaudhry, Senior Consultant, IML  | 08 19 2008 06:01:02 +0000
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How stupid and idiotic thing for Shabana Azami to say that. I wonder if she went to Islamic countries and talked about unfairness she would be stoned to death, not to mention she would have hardly any opportunities as a actress or a politician. Moreover her insight and analysis of Indian democracy is pathetic and ignorant.
By Dayanand Deshpande, Senior Consultant, Ernst & Young  | 08 19 2008 05:46:34 +0000
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I really didn't hoped this from someone like Sabanaji's stature.Shabana ji used to have an image of secular Muslim but by making this statement, she dropped her secular image. She has enjoyed all privilege and respect from the public. And if she feels, Indian democracy unfair to Muslims, what has she done to change it? Answer is simple zero. She should understand that the development of India is a development of different communities in India.
By Anil Kumar Singh, Senior Consultant, GKC  | 08 18 2008 06:34:04 +0000
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