Is it Necessary to ask for a heavy experience background, for any Middle Management Position?

All this depends on how intense you are. Employees have to be trained. Diamonds have to be cut and polished. It is better to have a few cut diamonds leave your organisation than land up having only uncut diamonds.

"It is better to train an employee and he leaves than not train him and he stays"

because to sit in a position like this we want more ability too handle the things

Hello Naushad,

No offence, but without the company taking up freshers, and training them, they wouldn't be the CUT DIAMONDS... more over... that particular industry wouldnt sustain.

Some of the best minds started fresh... :)

cheers

Our statements are all speaking about the same idea sir, we are talking of the same thing, the only thing that differs, and was different right since beginning, is a difference of perception. We polish a person's skill, but then he might leave for a better company, means we make employees more valuable than we can afford, in the process of grooming them!

This is a GOOD POINT that has been unearthed. Why can't the companies sustain trained Employees...

There is a trend I would like to share sir...

In Heavy Industries, if a person joins, let's assume, at 13 K per month. If he absorbs a good amount of knowledge and becomes capable of managing bigger things, the company might applaud, promote and support him, but the raise and promotion he will be given, will be less than what the same skills will give him outside. Whereas a new Employee coming in, with same skills, will be given a MUCH HIGHER package.

What is needed in such circumstances,

Should the Employee UNLEARN all that he has learned, to come to a level of self justifying the package he is getting,

Should the company Consider revising his pay not by margins but by magnitudes.

Should the Competitors NOT CALL him.

If company does not pay him suitable enough, The employee suffers more than the company. Company sure finds a new employee, only one person changes...

But for the person , entire life takes a turn, he is not only leaving the organization, but changing everything about his daily life, the place he goes, people he meets. Growth has psychological aspects sir, and that should not be ignored. Ignoring them, is the basic reason behind attrition.

The Question has deep logics, thank you for unearthing them Sir.

Respected Naushad Sir,

I am agree with you that if an organisation is having enough fund they will go for experienced not the freshers. Because in less time they want to multiple there profit. Think sir in an organisation there are 10 freshers out of 100 employees. All 90s are experienced so ultimately for now till the time they are with the organisation means lot of money. Then what about organisations future planning. Will those 90 will be always with them. So when will you prepare those 10s. 

And sir one more thing what i would like to share that i feel experienced are more volatile than freshers. The difference is experienced are looking for more luxuries and perks but freshers are looking for good opportunity.

Good opportunity let u stay for long period. Where money always attracts. And we should realize this path is followed by freshers also. 

People understands experience means lots of money. We can't name a CEO who became successful by leaving and joining the organisation frequently. No they became successful because of their passion for their work. And one day they were also fresher. 

Well said Naushad Sir,

But an uncut diamond can be polished to our needs, a pre-polished one need not have all the edges of our liking.

Waste or Investment, is our way of dealing with the diamond. Also an uncut diamond can be crafted to be rare , but a diamond that already has polish will cost more, will have a prototype characteristics, and might not raise to be of that expected threshold value...

If everyone in the market looks for polished diamonds, where do you expect these diamonds to get polished to fit your needs?

yes very very good line sir,

No No NO NO ON

no yaar, Why Always experience, experience. . . !

25% youngster dont hav right job what abt them....

Not necessary for more experience. But need some human management technics. 

It's all about commonsense, dedications and how fast the person is grasping things and going further with lots of learnings and applying his mind...

With out the above,the experience cant do much.

earning respect in the organisation is very important... but that doesnt really mean u gotta be aged for that... 

So lets see who would you consider a better candiate? A fresher with lots of team leadership abilities in his college level and sound knowledge of business . Or a person who has been wokring for 5-8 years in an industry without any innovation, jst doing what he is told to do?

A Successfull manager is like a leader! He knows how to guide people and show the way, not to be shown the way. He listens to his team, and chooses the best for them. Anyone who can make the right decisions and is ready to be creative and think out of the box, for the success of the company... he is the winner...

According to me, Work ex doesnt count there!!

In my opinion companies should not go for the experience, because the freshers are very much aware of their jobs, No doubt Experience plays vital  role, but until companies did not appoint freshers for the job where from they can get the experience.

One more thing i would like to add here is... the job is performed by the competency not by the experiance... if a person has required competency to do the job then experiance is not required ... that is what now most of the company is trying to adopt in hiring process..

Hi Anurag,

You might be true in many cases, but i have seen many people buying fake experiences. That's why even experienced can not be successful CEO but yes can cheat an opportunity which could have given to other talented person having no experience. Why people buy experience they don't want to earn it because they want to make them safer from going through rigorous interview process. That is because most of the companies prefer that.

Ultimately experience is required everywhere but talented people should have exempt for it. That is what i personally feel... 

There are plusses and minuses on both sides.

But, I believe my question has been taken on the extremes.

I did agree to the fact that experience is a good indicator of a person's efficiency. That is the reason I did not say Floodgates, or windows, I said a small ray of hope, for the freshers. And the freshers who are enterprising.

Having an experience is a very positive thing. and being young and creative another good thing. But I believe the Companies should see the trend, or pattern of growth a person has shown. That is what i wanted to be in focus.

If an experienced person has worked in the Claims and Warranties department as an Executive for 3 years, he might be a master at warranty assessment, and claims addressals, but can he be entrusted to be at a higher position that deals with a broader set of responsibilities.

One does not only learn in his life, there is a lot we UNLEARN in life. We unlearn being truthful, We unlearn being honest, we unlearn being a fully dedicated employee, only to learn how to coerce a person to believe a false thing, only to learn ways to look around the exact picture to keep customer more hanging and to learn how to make the job somehow fruitful for personal self more than company wants it to be.

I fully agree with the points that a fresher does not have any idea of the basics of the things happenning around. But, if the same things keep happening around, and you bring in people with same kind of Experience, you repeat the vicious loop of repeated errors, repeated value adds, repeated metaphorical trends in business. Should not the businesses look forward to things in a more creative manner. If a fresh person comes in a position always taken by a very considered contemporary person, he will bring newer insights, newer ways of dealing with the prolonged issues of stress and repeated errors.

That is the basic reason I mentioned an enterprising youth, and not just any and every fresher.

A fresher or an experienced person, both are of value addition. No Company has fallow money to share with employees, the employees get paid only when they add value, and companies are not blind, they have HR eyes(High Resolution/ Human Resource).

In today's scenario, If a person is willing to grow, and has a faith in himself, he should be given an opportunity to prove himself. Similarly, if a person feels satisfied with his profile, and is not strong enough in taking forward his career for growth, he should not be compulsed to get promoted..

Let the diamond ask for it worth, and let the jewelers test,

let the ordinary look for better, let the best find best.

Heavy experience = clogged mind.

Call it as you wish, but the "experienced" ones do not have to prove anything because they are "experienced", and in turn you have a circular explanation that in fact does not prove a thing.

Again I want to emphasis on question... Here question is, “Is it necessary to ask for a heavy experience background, for any middle management Position?” You mean to say if company hire experienced person the will not see downs ….. the experienced person don’t fail… u mean to say , if company hire exp person then company will see success graph …. If this is the case then no company will close… coz they are hiring only experienced person…..even experienced person do R & D at their exp level… they try to find out the answer for the question “what if I do this … what if I do that” etc etc…

Hi Anurag… Here question is not for learning.. Here question is, “Is it necessary to ask for a heavy experience background, for any middle management Position?” even experienced managers do mistakes… and learning is an endless way of life… we can learn each and every moment of life … but when question come to does exp required to mange at middle level .. I don’t believe exp is required to manage … skill and knowledge are required to manage…. Those who has started their company at early stage they are managing it… success and failure is the later part…. Even a successful company is get closed even though they have many experienced person…. That is different topic…

Hi Jyoti,

You must be reading many article who are running his/her own venture at small age.. who has started their who company…. A very young CEO etc. etc… can u please tell me from where they got experience.. for them, is experience not required to manage the things and to take the decision ???? A person can take right decision and can manage well if he/she has been giving the change with full responsibility… and who had burning desire to do something…

I am not agree with Anurag that heavy experience background is necessary for any middle management position. I do agree there are so many question which a fresher can not think to be answered but they can answer if they have been given proper training.. proper induction .. proper policy knowledge.. proper communication required to answer many question… if there is proper knowledge transfer a talented fresher who have competency to mange can manage at middle level even better than experienced person…

 I do agree that ground level job knowledge is required to manage at middle level but this knowledge can be acquired by looking around us. By keeping eagle eye we can know and understand what is needed to manage at middle level….

I do agree that what we learn while study time in management is hardly used in the real corporate… but it depends on the environment where we study … it depend on the study system … why people from IIM and top management college are hired at some Sr. position.. why they are paid more in campus recruit only ??? coz they have been taught in such way…. Even a person from simple management college can manage well … it all depends on people skills, knowledge and behavior… why a business man’s son directly join his business at top management after completion of his study .. coz it is his environment in family which teach them .. which gives them knowledge how to manage .. they see their parents how they are managing ….  

no i dont think that it will have much impact on the business.

I gave a call to some of the Companies for openings for their middle management positions, before everything else, they asked my experience, then said they needed at least 3 years experience. and disconnected the phone.

There needs to be a thin line of entry into these big profile jobs for the freshers too, incase they exhibit the kind of intent and preparation for the job. If a fresher volunteers for any big profile and is willing to take up all that burden, I believe he shoud be at least considered, if not selected.

Killing a person's faith in his own capacity is not a good thing. Unfortunately, post-hyped-recession this is another curse we freshers have on us.

I had a discussion with one of the experts, he said ," the scene for fresher's employment is going to improve only in at least a year's time. currently the market is trying to tap the employees who lost jobs in recession. "

Even if that be true, courage, and effort always need to be addressed. And whether it be a fresher, or experienced , the volunteering candidates should be considered for job, (If the HR round decliens the efficiency then one can step down, but why surrender to a requirement clause!)