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Created by : Deepak Kubal, Media Coresspondent, Media House  | 05 24 2010 06:05:08 +0000
Industry : Transportation/AviationFunctional Area : Safety(Others)
Activity:  620 views;  last activity : 07 06 2010 20:18:09 +0000

After saturday's early morning crash raises the obvious question like, 1. How safe is it to fly in India? OR 2. Is it really safe to fly in India?

"After a crash, if the pilot is alive, nail him. If he is dead, blame him,". The blame game has already begun even as vital safety deficiencies get swept aside. Also don't forget the YSR incident, still the enquiry is going on and time and again we see news reports how planes narrowly missed colliding mid air in India & elsewhere, as there is very less experienced Air traffic staff in India or the "sab chalta hai attitude" has crept in but what they don't know is they are playing with hundreds of lives and even a small negligence will lead to a disaster.

And there are many other airports which are badly maintained and are a recipe for future disasters. So, what do you think guys, Is it really safe to fly in India?

 
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I do not consider to be in sync with your point Deepak. There are more than 1000 international flights per day across India. A single incident should not be considered to be dangerous for flying. We live a life where many problems incur, does it means our life in not worth living.
By Krunal Kothari, BDO, GLOBAL EXIM  05 24 2010 06:38:47 +0000
 
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The question must be, 1) Is it really safe to fly in India by Air India flight? I say a big "NO" the routine maintenance is not done regular for Air Indian Flights which turns into big incident. So its my suggestion to management instead of blaming any one try to get up from sleep be active and give us good services to get rid of any future incidence.
By Shakil A. Hashmi, Sales Manager, DELMON CO. LTD.  05 24 2010 06:52:15 +0000
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YES it is as safe to fly in india as any other developed nation. no travel by any mode is accident free and no country can boast of a accident free travel by air.there are multiple reasons for an air disaster, some are within human control and some are technical faults which may be beyond human control.people dont stop walking on streets because of fear of accident.one major air accident in a decade as the mangalore incident does'nt speak bad about our safety standards.US had 4 major air disasters in the last decade,but people have not stopped air travel there.what we need to look at is the fatigue levels of our pilots who at times due to management pressure have to fly beyond stipulated duty hours ,in adverse time zones, and have to take instructions from inefficient, ATC OFFICIALS.DEEPAK HAVE YOU VOWED NEVER TO FLY AGAIN. I HOPE NOT.
By KAMAL TANDON, Sales Head, KEE PHARMA LIMITED  | 06 03 2010 07:04:30 +0000
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I dont agree with you deepak.

It is safe to fly.

Accident can happen anywhere, anytime.

Just imagine, if this would have happened in US or Europe? will your stance would have same?

Yes, i do agree to be more efficient & honest while evaluating the such important facilities.


By Zubair Irshad, Business Associate, Captain International General Trading  | 06 03 2010 05:01:55 +0000
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Fly anywhere & everywhere u want.

Till your DUE DATE is not written by ALMIGHTY, nothing will happen to you. Be rest Assured !!

 


By Veejay Bhatia, Administration Manager / Recruitment Coordinator, French Firm dealing in Oil & Gas, Dubai (UAE)  | 05 31 2010 17:02:52 +0000
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faults and mistakes are inevitable. . .we need to correct and move forward not to stop with a single fault
By Moparthi Sai Ramya Sree, Software Developer, Virtusa (India)  | 05 31 2010 07:30:25 +0000
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Dear Mr Shakil,

What you mention conveys concern. Yet it has not become more or unsafe after this single accident is as well a  truth. It is as much safe or unsafe as it was. 


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 05 31 2010 06:54:19 +0000
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I agree with Kunal on this matter. When the growth is very high such mistakes are possible.

In case of Air diaster in India you will be able to count the same since there are very few. On top of that the media make news when there is no news. I think our country is completely safe for flying.

At the same time I would like to add beside experience one pre requisite for selection is understanding and speaking top grade English is essential for all our pilots.

Ther is no Chalta Hai attitude in this sector at least may be we should relook at the manpower with ATC all over the Country once again.


By Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant  | 05 31 2010 06:01:18 +0000
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Flying by itself is inherent with its own risks. However, a single incident does not mean that flying itself should not be done. For going from one distant point to another distant point in the shortest time, the only option is flying. Risks occur in all the modes of travel and a single incident does not mean that one mode of travel is not good. However, each individual should take adequate precautions to the extent possible while using any mode of travel.....


By Badri N Srinivasan, Head - Quality, Valtech India Systems Pvt. Ltd.  | 05 30 2010 14:45:02 +0000
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Yes it is perfectly safe. One incident here and there should not be a cause for concern. These things happens. Only thing which we should try to avoid is negligence on the part of aviation industry.  With all  due respect to the feelings of relatives of those who died in Mangalore and due condolences to those died. We have to take it in our stride. I know I am being a bit harsh. Because life has to go on.


By Aditya Sharma, Insurance Advisor/Analyst, LIC OF INDIA, ICICI LOMBARD  | 05 30 2010 06:23:01 +0000
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a single incident cannot decide. accidents are happening all world over. its a part of the game (or say life). accidents can be minimize but cannot be zero at all. risk is involved everywhere. if u fly - there is a risk, if u travel by rail - there is a risk, if u go by road there is a risk, if u stay at home - there is a risk. so some risk is everywhere.


By sanjay kumar mangal, IT , TATA Group Co.  | 05 30 2010 02:15:36 +0000
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In theory, what we say is that, the business is in within the Acceptable level. That means that it is safe to be continued. There are International Risk Indices for estimating risk in business (may be financial risk, environmental , health or safety risk involved in operating any particular business). If the quantitative calculation of risk involved is within the acceptable level, THEN the governing bodies approves the business ( here ICAO).

In practice also, there is no country operates without Air crash/ bombing threat /strikes. We need to consider the risk as I said above with these occurence frequencies & the severity it effect on the parameter as I enlisted above).

Best is decided on such things.


By KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed  | 05 29 2010 13:35:41 +0000
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Oh, What a debate, Because of one tragic incident we need to stop flying in air in India. So What action have to be taken for travelling by train and by road where accidents are more frequent.


By Manoj Kumar, Sr: Manager - QA, ARCHETYPE GROUP, INDIA  | 05 29 2010 11:00:22 +0000
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Yes,

Anyway it is a personal choice whether to take one single example as a universal one and become cynical for life OR continue to have positive faith.

 


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Author of "Mayhem Of The Miserables!", http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/52075  | 05 29 2010 10:21:08 +0000
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Deepak good question. But one more question i want to ask that why you are talking only about flying in India ? why not for road or railway accidents?

Because if you will calculate the number of person die daily due to road accidents then you 'll get your answer himself. Because the figure is too much high than air accidents in India. Still, If we are thinking that road traveling is safer than air, then it is not justified. Because roads are also not safe for traveling but we travel daily...........

You can put the question "Is it really safe to travel in India anymore"? not only for Air travel.....


By Vipin Bhasin, Private Equity/Hedge Fund/VC-Manager, Indian Investment Co.  | 05 29 2010 05:06:24 +0000
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How can one say that flying is dangerous. I come from Dubai quite often to India and thats by flight, there's been absolutely no problem with that. Airports like that of Mangalore needs to be shut down permanently and the pilots needs to get proper training. Our Air India flight pilots/employees loves only to go on strike and from this it seems that they are least bothered about the passengers travelling in their flight. That needs to be stopped in the first place. And airports needs to be build not near gorges or forests. Mangalore Airport is built near the forest which is dangerous and so Calicut airport which is built near deep gorges thats also dangerous. Why does the government give permission to build airports in such areas? I think its high time the government looks seriously into this matter and avoid any such accidents in the future.
By Deepa N, CEO, WILL UPDATE SOON  | 05 28 2010 19:53:26 +0000
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Hello Deepak, Safe to fly always. when you start a journey you have to be positive by reaching the destinations. Accident will happen some time. you cannot stop travelling.Of-course airlines should maintain their aircraft properly and give proper training to their pilots periodically. Further government also should maintain the airport properly with latest equipments. 

K Rajagopalan.


By k Rajagopalan, Area Manager, Amitex Polymers (P) Ltd.  | 05 28 2010 16:44:48 +0000
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The question is like are you ready to cross the road outside your residance?
By Parag Patel, Business Analyst, Woolworths Wholesale India Pvt Ltd  | 05 25 2010 16:46:00 +0000
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cmon lets take it practically.Accident can take place anywhere in the world.India and indians are well capable of managging the air travel.it was an unfortunate and sad incident of manglore which sadened our hearts
By mrutunjay yadav, MBA/PGDM student, Thakur institute of management studies  | 05 25 2010 09:31:39 +0000
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i believe that all the technology which have been developed after stone age is has dangerousness of destruction ever your house built with cement that may not be reliable than cave. if ur not ready to accept the technological problems then live have to in the state of stone age.will you be ready to do it again
By srimallikarjun , sr engg, fisher pumps pvt ltd  | 05 25 2010 06:35:21 +0000
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HI DEEPAK.

WHEN YOU COMPARE THE ACCIDENT  VIS A VIS SAFE LANDING AND TAKE OFF OF FLIGHTS IN OUR COUNTRY THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS IS ON THE LOWER SIDE.WE SHOULD OF COURSE WORK TOWARDS ZERO ACCIDENT TO SAVE LIVES OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.


By s.baalu , Consultant, XYZ LTD  | 05 24 2010 14:25:40 +0000
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The safest way to be saved is to keep oneself within four walls only.Accidents are in every steps of life and we have to accapt it and move forward for better future.
By R N Bhattacharyya, Freelancer, Freelancer  | 05 24 2010 10:49:48 +0000
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Yes, I agree with Krishna, one accident doesn't mean that it is unsafe, and never go along with media hype, these days media make some extra story for their TRP
By Rajesh Kumar Thakur, Regional Sales & Marketing Manager, E G Gas Limited  | 05 24 2010 10:36:34 +0000
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Yes, a single accident doesn't mean that it is unsafe. Out of thousand of flight if one is crashed due to technical failure or human mistake doesn't prove that all are unsafe. Though accidents never called be good but it can make you to be much more cautious in the future. Man and machine are made to commit the mistakes it is a normal process. Let us pray for the killed that their soul rest in peace and heavon.
By Krishna Bhardwaj, Lyrics Writer, Freelancer  | 05 24 2010 08:25:36 +0000
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Dear friend , just becasue an accident happened at Mangalore airport, you cannot say sir travel is not safe any more. Air accident rates in India is still less than 0.2%, and still safest means of travel. You cannot compare trains with regard to safety you can anyday get the report of naxal violence, trains derailment, headon collision or robbery or even heinous crimes in train.Even AC bogies are not safe in India and you are at the mercy of petty RPFs. Barring Rajdhanis, to some extent train journeys are not safe.Roads cannot used for very long travel in India anyway as the conditions of roads is all well known. There is greater chance of accident by road too and cacoity cannot be ruled out by highway thieves. SO you are only left with the fastest mode of transport, air travel. It is so safe that you can even drop your child or wife at the airport and make sure that you have someone at the destination to pick him up, thats it. They will manage everything in between the clearing, cheching seating, etc, all the systems are in place to give the security and that too with top priority. YOu are a king there. Cant you think of any other place so secure in Inida? Of course the only fear is in mind in take -offs and descent. In these processes too the pilots are very trained and the systems are there to help him in navigation and the modern places are so strong that they are capable of passing through rough weathers of foreign air pockets. The conditions in India, in that sense is very normal for these sophisticated place. And the DGCA have to follow all the guidelines of international norms,, so there is little chances of error. The public is also advised to switch off their mobiles during take-offs and landing (though its a different matter that some people are engaged in using electronic gadgets during wee hours of take-offs or landing too). Also during monsoon the pilots are weel advised in advance to make adjustment for smooth landing and there is enough friction quotient to ensure smooth landing. If all these systems and procedures are in place there is minimal chances of an accident. Of course there are chances of error in misjudgement, overshooting, fatigue, tyre burst, miscommunication, language problem, brakes failure, etc, but these are very rare. So , just because of one incident, the world will not stop travelling by air and its also very safe. 


By Prabhakar Srivastava, Principal Consultant, Future Next Consultants  | 05 24 2010 07:05:00 +0000
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Deepak, I guess the Mangalore plane disaster has made you write this statement Just want to give yo a fact 1 There are 5 planes landing in Mumbai every 15 minutes through out the day ( I can see that from my room day in day out so I am telling you this fact) 2. there are more than 1000 landing by mid of day every day in India Now based on this fact find out how many crashes have happened in past 20 years, ther ehave been but the ratio of landing being successful and people walking out alive of airport out numbers the people who died in plane crash or accidents It si still saef to fly in India
By Nikhil , Senior Manager, Insurance  | 05 24 2010 06:47:27 +0000
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Thanks for invite Krunal,

Your comment- A single incident should not be considered to be dangerous... yet every second and third has a first and in order to ensure the second is not allowed to happen we must be completely serious in our handling of the first such incident.

Unfortunately our records of hazard prevention and safety, follow ups of last close shaves, treatment in long term correction through regulation and education are not the least encouraging. It is yet to become a subject and get its due, may not be an overstatement.   

Our accident records are still good, is mainly because if there is God it is surely most caring in presence here.


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 05 31 2010 06:48:47 +0000
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Because there is no consideration for the people flying, consider this Ahmadabad airport an international flight is taking off in the morning and there are so many birds flying around it, that it was scary

proper controls and safety issues are needed to be strictly adhered to 


By Atul Joshi, Assistant General Manager-Business Development, Flexican Bellows and Hoses Pvt.Ltd.  | 05 30 2010 04:19:22 +0000
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No... dont fly in India.

Even dont try a Rly-ridea  ... or a Bus-journey. Just have a cycle to travel.

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Accients are happening world over. We may not avoid flying in India  depending on the situation.

Rather, as an informed individual, we try to analize why accidents happen/ may happen. Question : was there any 'human fault' (say) in Mangalore ? Yes, perhaps. The 'radar' was defunct for last three days ... why ?


By ASOKE KUSARI, Domestic Private Banking-Executive/Manager, A large leading PSU Bank - India  | 05 28 2010 17:24:06 +0000
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Its really not that safe to fly in India, with out proper runway,properair traffic control,and take off.Very crucial component is weather.When weather is sunny and bright with 100percent visibility then pilot needs to take a decision over flying.One needs to analyze effect of Turbulence when thunderstorms,with heavy lighting can damage total control of aircraft.For instance last year June1st,2009- AIRFRANCE was shattered into pieces in the middle of atlantic ocean.Reason is poor visibility coupled with heavy lightening and thunderstorms.Thats all from my end.
By Venkata , Analyst, Cognizant Technology  | 05 25 2010 16:48:12 +0000
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Thanks shakil, i quite agree with what  you have said.... the question should have been more of like Is it really safe to fly in India by Air India flight? but then also on the whole I am not against people who travel through airplane all the time, but only in India, Indian airplanes are the problem part here, faulty systems, bad management, and as I said earlier the Chalta hai attitude, corruption we are compromising on many things and this is leading to disasters like this, I am talking here in a holistic way where these small things leads to bigger disasters.........and somewhat i am inclined to stick to my title, its difficult to see the attitude towards things and how badly things are managed....


By Deepak Kubal, Media Coresspondent, Media House  | 05 24 2010 08:13:56 +0000
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I think day by day incidents like these are happening more and have become a regular thing in India, and I think mainly it has go to do with the way things are done or the way people go to their job, and a small negligence here will lead to huge disaster with so much of lives lost all of a sudden and as I have said earlier, too much of complacency has crept or the management the way they manage things is not right and Air India is running in loss all this time and this incident will do no good and surely people are more scarier than ever and would prefer the alternative somewhat untill the government and the management assures a safe flight on all the occassions...


By Deepak Kubal, Media Coresspondent, Media House  | 05 24 2010 08:11:50 +0000
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