True; homosexuality is prevalent in every society from the beginning of human race and so is also thievery. Is it right to legitimize by law all thievery just because there is thievery in one form or other in every society? This debate is not about humans who are born as Homosexual persons. This debate is about Homosexual behaviour among non-homosexuals in the society as a perverted life style.
If it is true that homosexuals are born as homosexuals, why isn't the inverted condition apparent at birth as indisputable proof that they are born that way? Why can't medical technology of some type be used to reveal that some males and females are gay at birth? No such technology exists because homosexuality is not a physical condition but a spiritual and moral one.
When AIDS hit the streets in the early '80's, homosexuals were warned by medical people, by many of their own leaders, that if they continued to engage in behaviours which exchange body fluids, they would sooner or later get AIDS and die. There was no known cure. The typical homosexual response was, "You are attacking my being! Homosexuality is not what I do, it is who I am." As a result, hundreds growing into thousands, and now many millions, of persons got AIDS and died. They could not stop because they had locked themselves into a compulsive behaviour. When a person is warned about the lethal behaviour in which he is engaged and still will not stop, that is prima facie evidence for a compulsive and addictive condition. So, homosexuality, the very publicly available evidence shows, is not a benign "orientation", it is a compulsive, lethal addiction.
There is no homosexual gene, there is no evidence to show that homosexual orientation or behaviour is pre-programmed by nature prior to nurture.
[read, for example, The Gay Report, by Karla Jay and Allen Young -1979, two homosexual authors- but pls do not have your meal before you start reading !!!
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aryan , Accounts Manager, confidential08 17 2009 12:36:24 +0000
@Dixit, not all hijras are impotent, plz verify your facts before posting.
The Ancient Indian Kama Sutra refers to people of a "third sex" (triteeyaprakrti), who can be dressed either in men's or in women's clothes and perform fellatio on men. The term has been translated as "eunuchs" (as in Sir Richard Burton's translation of the book), but these persons have also been considered to be the equivalent of the modern hijra of India.[citation needed] Hijra, a Hindi term traditionally translated into English as "eunuch", actually refers to what modern Westerners would call male-to-female transgender people and effeminate homosexuals (although some of them reportedly identify as belonging to a third sex). Some of them undergo ritual castration, but the majority do not. They usually dress in saris (traditional Indian garb worn by women) and wear heavy make-up. They typically live in the margins of society, face discrimination[11] and earn their living in various ways, e.g., by coming uninvited at weddings, births, new shop openings and other major family events and singing until they are paid or given gifts to go away.[12] The ceremony is supposed to bring good luck and fertility, while the curse of an unappeased hijra is feared by many. Other sources of income for the hijra are begging and prostitution. The begging is accompanied by singing and dancing and the hijras usually get the money easily. Some Indian provincial officials have used the assistance of hijras to collect taxes in the same fashion; they knock on the doors of shopkeepers, while dancing and singing, and embarrass them into paying.[13] Recently, hijras have started to found organizations to improve their social condition and fight discrimination. There has even been a wave of hijra entering politics and being elected to high political positions. The American transsexual activist and computer expert Anne Ogborn is an initiated member of the hijra community. She travelled to India and was accepted into the community. In the epic Mahabaratha of India, Arjuna, one of the 5 heroes who is originally a handsome man, warrior and great archer becomes Brihannala, a eunuch when they spend their last year of exile in the kingdom of Virata. Brihannala/Arjuna lived among the palace women as a teacher of song and dance.[citation needed]
From wikipedia
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Viktor Stephen, COO, I Entrepreneur08 16 2009 03:49:45 +0000
My opinion is that legalizing homosexuality by law indiscreminately will toll the death bells of the present concept of the micro-community that is called a family which discriminates humans from animals with well defined demarcations of individual relations and behavioral limits.
Like in every creation of nature, there are born transvestites and other form of freaks in the human race also. Their social behavior/life style are out of biological compulsion and therefore, are to be dealt with as part of society with sympathy and compassion and supported by framing appropriate law.
But there are many who are normal biologically heterosexual persons take on to gay life style for the thrill of it as happens with drug addicts and alcoholics and other addicts. Many get confused with their very normal homosexual experiences in the passing phase of adolscence that happens to large percent of normal individuals. Most of them adapt a normal heterosexual family life as they grow up.
Of the remaining, except for hard core perverts, a good percent of them can be brought back to lead normal heterosexual family life style with proper counseling and the chronic ones with appropriate medication as being done in the case of Schizophrenics. Government should undertake a serious survey to determine what percent of the of the people who claim themselves as homosexuals are genetically homosexuals.
It shall be made mandatory to undergo medical check up and produce evidence before allowing couples of same sex are legalized to lead sexual life.
Those who are interested (Mature readers only) may please read my earlier posting "Is it right to legalize homosexuality by law without discretion" in this space wherein I have dealt the issue in much detail.
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Abraham Paul, Senior Telecom Consultant, FCOMNET- Future Groups
| 06 10 2010 04:42:10 +0000
DEPENDS UPON SEX KNOWLEGE, HUMAN BEING AFTER THE AGE OF 12 ONWARDS IF STORAGE OF SPERM OR OVAM IN THIER BODY, TOTALY THEY VIOLATE THIER ALL LEGALITY, GOD DON MISTAKE AND NOT SOLVED BY THE GOD. HE IS ALSO VIOLATING THE ALL LAWS IN LOVE OF SEX
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maheshwar gopalkrishna naik, LECTURER IN chemistry , lecturer in chemistry, jss college vidyanagar dharwar,NAAC A GRADE COLLEGE
| 05 12 2010 17:33:02 +0000
The purpose of this debate is not to educate people about various forms of homosexual acts and activities of various forms of life.
Please read the topic before posting comments. The discussion is about the propriety of indiscriminately legalizing Homosexual behavior with sweeping law. This discussion is primary aimed to bring some awareness in youngsters for them to make sure themselves that they are biologically homosexuals before adopting homosexuality as their life style.
This has nothing to do with Homosexual persons. They are as human as you and me and they have all rights to live with dignity. It is unfair to degrade them or their lifestyles with irrelevant comparsions.
By the way, the topic is meant only for mature participants. Please refrain from posting irrelevant comments and references. Otherwise I will be compelled to delete this topic.
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Abraham Paul, Senior Telecom Consultant, FCOMNET- Future Groups
| 09 01 2009 13:48:15 +0000
I find there are basic fundamental errors in the responses to this debate. The debate is not about those born as HOMOSEXUAL human beings. The debate is about Homosexuality and Homosexual acivity.
The debate is not about any sort of discrimination of Homosexual persons. Different types of Homosexual persons are human beings and like everyone else they also have full right to indulge in sexual activities in the forms that can appease their sexual desire. Homosexual persons have also full right to couple with other Homosexual person or Heterosexual person and lead a family life of their choice.
This debate has nothing to do with Homosexual persons at all.
The debate is also not about the righteousness of indiscriminately legitimize Homosexual behaviour and Homosexual activity by law which will have distastrous ramifications in the fabric of social set up and the society as a whole. We shall leave these to the wisdom of the Honourable courts in this country.
The debate is about the possibility of the dangerous consequences of large number of otherwise normal persons; especially in the younger generation, who are born with practically no homosexual traits, get influenced by various trends of modern lifestyles, switch over to homosexual behaviour as a life style, just for the thrill of it, and indulge in perverted sexual activities that can destroy thier chance of leading normal life and become vicitms of painful and disastrous diseases that can spread like cancer in the society.
The purpose of this debate is to bring some awareness in the younger generation to make sure that they are really Homosexuals with proper Medical check up / Counselling et., before decding to adopt homosexuality and homosexual behaviour as their life style.
I request the members to restrict the debate to the topic, and not to invade the dignity of Homosexual persons who have every right to be part of the society.
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Abraham Paul, Senior Telecom Consultant, FCOMNET- Future Groups
| 08 18 2009 11:41:33 +0000
we are known in world about culture,every country try to adapt our culture and we are doing such shameless thing...and there is no any results of homosexuality ,it means that when hetro sexuality there is result of child...main important point is we are going against our NATURE and when we are against nature that is always dangerous....
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vikas kulkarni, B.Tech/B.E. student, M I T PUNE
| 08 17 2009 23:42:37 +0000
Homosexuality is a disease.. it's a disorder, how that can be promoted like this..? No doubt it's shameless act taken our govt..!
Anus is not meant for pleasure! Don't know how to put in words, otherwise it might become unethical to talk on in this kind of forum, but that truly shows that we are not less than animals! I strongly support this side..
By
Satwinder Singh, Program Manager, Confidential
| 08 17 2009 15:28:43 +0000
How can this shameful decision be Indian ? Those members who have supported this fact, I want to ask them a simple thing. In what sense do they think this is Indian, do our culture permits this ? Not only that, before "Westernisation" of our culture, how much they know about Indian culture? Do they consider sexual relations just as a matter of enjoyment? If so, then I am sorry to say, anybody having this king of mentality is sick. Our culture allows this relation from production of children. Not for time pass like dogs on streets. Since this relation cannot give any fruitful result, so this is not Indian. Also, this was never a part of our society. Just a few decades ago when we tried to become "Westernised", we started kicking our own culture and adopt everything from Westerners. Do you think this is modernisation? not at all. It is complete degradation. At least animals moving on the streets are better than us because they get attracted to opposite sex not same sex. Earlier Eve-Teasing used to happen only with different genders. Now it will start happening with same genders also. Also the AIDS cases will increase. Waw!!! what an "lower than" animalic society we are living in....!!!!
By
Sarika Singh, Assistant Professor, BIT
| 08 17 2009 13:57:14 +0000
Homsexuality is there and will be there or not is what one can never explain. But trying to illegalise it or legalise it will only worsen things, where people will start even feeling bad to hug or lay hands on each other while walking in streets , which in India is a sign of freindship. So to show that one is not a homosexual people unnecessarily get hypersensitive towards small signs and effective signs of psychological strength( the western worlds now are praising the touch therapies ). So even it one legalizes or illegalises it it wont help , but something that can help is the feeling of responsibility to be Normal and abide with the LAWS of nature rather than Human made laws. I think these HOMO cannot and shouldn ot be compared with anyone but they should think themselves as what they are doing and why in the world its important ...many have feelings of being a burglars, porn stars and even kidnappers and what not ..but atleast many of them understand by age and time that whats wrong and whats right. I feel that what the HOMOS need to understand , what type of sex is right and what not... as simple as that ...Self Responsibilty and what good does it do for them , generations and society. Just making it a show wont help.
By
malikireddy , Controls systems Team Manager., VESTAS Wind Systems A/S.
| 08 17 2009 11:09:07 +0000
There is adifference between HIZARA'S and impotent,I have translated for the people who doesn't know about hizra ,its third gender ,they are neither male nor female.
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SB DIKSHIT, STATE QUALITY MONITOR, U.P.R.R.D.A
| 08 16 2009 08:31:35 +0000
It spoils the balance of the nature. On this earth every life is having both genders that is the nature. Then only it survives, we live. The Judgement supporting the cause is not good for the society. By taking this support, lot of peole comming out openly and inviting through web pages, emails for homosex.
We are not here to spoil the nature and its echology. Is it posible to give future generation, if all animals, birds, flowers starts this type of activity where we can go, what will be the scene of this earth.
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KrishnaVaishnav , Head Legal, confidential
| 08 07 2009 11:32:28 +0000
The reason is of course ambiguous. how would legalise,if legalised on which custom and tradition would the marriages are performed, through which Law would the marriages are nullified. In this Scenario if homosexuality is legalised Prostitution shall also be legalised. Comment please
The instinct of Homosexuality is in fact a mental dishorder. Legalising it is not a constitutional right of citizens. The Judgment needs careful review. If two consenting adults are allowed to indulge in illegal activities, then even duals in which two adult individuals fight till the death of his adversary which is recogninsed only in France should be allowed, will it not be illegal in our country. The law makes something is an offence which is against the law of nature. The nature has created man and woman to procreate naturally. Satisfying the urge in unnatural way is always danger to the society as a whole.
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Ashfaq Shaikh, Private practitioner/Lawyer, Legal & General Group
| 07 11 2009 06:46:45 +0000
Legitimisation?? NO but not because it is not natural. It is natural instinct but all the natural instincts, like murder, can not be legitimised. The reasons are more scientific than social. I firmly beleive that so callled religious regulations of India are not merely intended to please the God but have been devised and arrived at based upon years of systematic studies of the scientists of those time called "Rishi".
My belief on the much more developed and nature friendly science of that time (at least I beleive so) and banning homosexuality by it, inspires me to not to support homosexuality.
Please remember I am talking of the times when there were the term Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc were not even conceived.
But I do support discussions on the topic then only all can understand that what percentage of population has welcomed the Delhi HC decision and who were they.
My dear friend i do support your idea, but you are more concerned about the childeren in their teens & what about the grown up's. The law is same to all, the amendment so far as sec.377 of IPC is still pending consideration.
We will leave it to the Judiciary & the Gov't, And see that it does not go against the Nature.
As to what i have learnt for these many years in my life or rather everyone has learnt is that, men & women are created by God to be bound with each other forever.
In our law homosexuality was not given any importance till date.The law was totally against homosexuality because it is against the law of nature. This decision of law is really embarassing because it also questions the upheld culture of Indian society on several basis.
Legalising homosexuality is like insulting the relationship between male & female.
I agree with you. I always feel decipline is a loving exercise. When a mother or father exercise decipline, its to say i care. However, when a child says its my right, parents decide it taking the responsibilty. Similar maturity is required in this case. This law is like no responsibilty. I agree that homosexuals should have basic right but how will a law decide who is hemosexual. A mistaken adult child will be out of reach of his/her very caring parent or his well wishers. The law on abnormal sexuality isn't right. We need social awareness but no rights under a law. When will we understand, some changes can also be wrong. Everything that happens in west isn't right.
Homosexuality is against nature laws, this shouldn't be allowed. And there shoud be law to stop it, as previously it was. No experiments shoud be there be govt in this case atleast.
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Sachin Saxena, Assistant Manager - F&A, Infor Global Solutions
| 07 10 2009 04:01:10 +0000
Many have not understood, what Delhi HC did is to de-criminalise a non-criminal social activity which was wrongly being kept punishable offence by a 200 plus year old penal law. This is long overdue.
Also, the acts which are punishable under that section is not only homosexual act, oral sex etc. which happens in almost every bedroom is punishable. Any sex other than direct intercourse was punishable.
Our culture was not against these. Please see all temples (Belur, Halebidu, Konark, Kajuraho multi sex, homosexuality is seen there as divine, multiple partners some doing oral sex is explicit), Kamasutra. British spoiled our education system and made it value less and tinkered our history made us disoriented and cultureless.
Let us not mix legal issue with moral/cultural issues. We have much more serious issues like child abuse. Please let us use our energy to those
Homosexuality is never allowed in Indian culture....so It should not have legalised. By legalising it, our government has slapped on our Indian culture.....
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Sarika Singh, Assistant Professor, BIT
| 08 18 2009 14:08:06 +0000
I will still believe that homosexuality be given its due delifence and be legalised. If someone like a MAN and for reasons best known wants to be bethroted with him, why should we take any exception?? They are of sound mind and they can make a judgement on what like and dont...
Also, members who have perverse nature should be seperated from this clan. There do exist a lot of men who prey on younger boys and gullible men and perform pervese acts with them. That has to be PUNISHED!! Men with underage boys should be looked upon as danhers to the society.
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Makrand Bhave, AGM - Corporate Business, E18, part of Network 18 Group
| 08 18 2009 11:03:07 +0000
i feel legalizing homosexuality is a bolt from the bule on the indian culture as much as other part of it is if there are all to some extent with extrigent law, result will come.
Homosexulaity is prevalent in all the types of animals including cockroaches, you can just google on this topic . There are several studies going on these topics in western countries.
so we can safely say Hemosexulality is not a disease. The proof for the same for human beings wwere conducted in concentrated camps in Germany while second world war. Only few types of people were sent there in which homosexulaity was one of the group of people .
They did research on the mind of those gays in unhuman ways. they could not get any thing.
Social scientists have single opinioned on this while saying that every human being is oriented both ways, it depends on which one prevails to himself become a gay or not.
I know it's an unnatural act but I can't see anything wrong in legalizing homosexuality....
This group of people is also having feelings they do have sense of morality but if nature has made them like it then why are we debating on it.
The other day I was watching something on TV and there I was listening to the comments by some people from this group. That how they were chased by public in past but now as they have got this green light they are happy and can concentrate on other things as well.
My point is when we have many other major things to improve on then why we are discussing this.
We are living in democracy and everybody has right to lead his/her life in their own way and if this small group is not harming anybody then why should we stop them.
And for children they can adopt it from orphanage and by this the poor orphans will get a home…
We can see the positive side as well here.
It’s just a matter of personal choice. Many things are unnatural but we can’t stop it so let these people enjoy their life.
There is also a flip side to the entire marriage of two men...
Since they cannot be biologically fathering children, they would be more than happy to ADOPT!! Now I think there should be another law that needs to be looked into allowing the parentage of a child to be nurtured and raised by two men who are happily married!!
So people here is another debate that can be really juiced up!! Use it for all I care... Happy debating...
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Makrand Bhave, AGM - Corporate Business, E18, part of Network 18 Group
| 08 16 2009 07:22:32 +0000
If its not punishable... Its just INTERPRETED as being LEGAL!! ;)
The people who are happy being what they are and getting in relationship with who they LOVE... Let them be.. there are matters that are more important that need attention. Giving undue importance to an issue that has been decided on by the judiciary means NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, Your Honor!!!
So LIVE AND LET LIVE!! By cutting a body already autopsied, are you going to find any other presence that will determine the cause of DEATH???
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Makrand Bhave, AGM - Corporate Business, E18, part of Network 18 Group
| 08 16 2009 07:18:27 +0000
Homosexuality should be legalised but keeping in view all pros and cons of indian cultural setup. I t not a sitgma because there are sso many in society who are indulged in this practise , so let them come out openly then resrict as murders should not hanged to death but life inprisioned till death.
Lastly i would like to say homosexuality should be allowed and let them live as they like.
It all lies in the balancing the differences of natural & un-natural.
The Constitution & the Law is an Ocean, it can be used to ones own advantage & can be blended to one's own use.
We talk on the point of Men & women, but what about the 3rd Sex who's neither belong to any of the two., so do they have their freedom., We being in the 21st century & being part of such a large Democracy, we have our own limitations & people are matured enough to understand these,so it all depends on the do's & do not's.
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