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Created by : Gargi Sinha, Senior Consultant, Hewitt Associates  | 08 01 2011 10:01:04 +0000
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"What I wear has nothing to do with you" is the motto of slut walk . It has grabbed a lot of attention and critisism. Lot has been said about this parade. People have one common point that it does not address issues like violence and child marriage.

Do you think it is a concept aped from west which is a misfit for Indians?

 
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More than 90% of our countrymen adhere to true moral and ethical values of Eastern thought

There is nothing like eastern ethics and morality and western ethics and morality. If that was the case morals like 'always speak the truth,be kind to others etc ' would NOT have been equally accepted both in the east and west.

may be wearing some exotic outfits may be allowed ....does it require?

Why is n't such a scale applied to men, why this argument is applied on women alone?

For some women emancipaion means only sexual freedom

Psychologically everything in this world starts and ends with sex.

Its a futile exercise. First of all, ask ourselves : Why did it start at Toronto, Canada?

It would have never started in India or Pakistan. Only women in the west have "at least" the freedom to fight back.

Otherwise why does a Toronto woman need such rallies for her rights ? Are they still not 'liberated enough' ?

One policeman in Toronto tried to speak like an Indian and the women there thought to fight back.They are liberated enough but they saw this as a bit of infringement of their freedom.

What I wear has nothing to do with you", if it is the tendency, you cant blame the police, they cant guarantee you the safety every time.

If that is the case then men who look good and hot should also be beaten up just because they look good and hot.

This is really saddening and unacceptable in a rich cultured society that we have in India.

What is this rich culture? Spitting on streets,looting public money, etc etc Look at the kind of movies,books etc etc that this culture produces.


As long as there is no gender equality in a country like India, corruption in the society can never be eradicated, not even controlled.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  08 02 2011 04:22:34 +0000
 
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Ok so I agree that it does not address many things. But it addresses something whihc too is important in itself. Why should we all gather and criticize the concept? Why shouldn't we see the brighter side, the side that says this addresses an issue which too is important. Because we have this habit of blaming the victim which almost kills them from inside.


By Gargi Sinha, Senior Consultant, Hewitt Associates  08 01 2011 10:01:04 +0000
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@ ardhendu Are you kidding me? Do you even know the origin & concept of "Slutwalk"? I am just awestruck by your comment. :-O Pathetic. Cant believe what you just said. Increase your gray cells before uttering any word. FYI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk The protest started when a Police official blamed women for dressing and exposing like "sluts" & gave this an excuse for rapes.
By Kush Malik, Executive Trainee, ASSOCHAM  | 08 09 2011 05:34:44 +0000
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we can develop our own form or version of it and adopt, aping is the easiest our genealogy suggests our ascendancy from apes, hahahaha
By Atul Joshi, Assistant General Manager-Business Development, Flexican Bellows and Hoses Pvt.Ltd.  | 08 07 2011 05:46:46 +0000
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There is no harm in adopting anything good be it from the west or east. I am sure such slut walks will only highlight the matter more and bring out the shy public who in any case has the habit of keeping quiet unless they are at the receiving end of some horrible incident. Remember the whole corruption scandal has caught the public imagination after coming out in the open. Otherwise we would have carried on with our life by paying unbder the table.
By Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group  | 08 05 2011 18:00:36 +0000
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It is true, except their tailors, nobody has to do anything with their cloths. The concept is not fit for India, as we have cultural and social differences. First, we respect hidden beauty, irrespective of man or woman. Second, those participating slut walk in India are mostly from high society. They may not be victim of any abuse and also do not know the real motive of western slut walk. I would like to request those indian slut walkers, if they want to fight for freedom, please fight for freedom from; corruption, population, poverty, black money, unemployment, child/woman abuse etc. There are so many social and national problems on top priority. Almost all the Indians will support and respect them on these issues. Thanks Gargi for rising a good issue. But the question in your subject line and in last line are contradictory. So it is confusing whether to support 'yes' or 'no'.
By Hem Chandra Kukreti, MM, Bharat Electronics Ltd  | 08 03 2011 15:55:24 +0000
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its sort of like that,i think even if we want to do something a cause ,and for that to get public attention we may need to think as an other of the usual person or society as a whole,but as ,perhaps, because we are so inclined to walk the beaten path we find it hard to think in other way,perhaps this may be the reason we may (kind of)copy the one implemented in western world with success
By mallikarjuna , networking, 3i  | 08 03 2011 09:23:54 +0000
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Slut walk is nothing beyond show casing the silliness of the Western culture. Are we so low on being innovative that we blindly keep yapping the west.Let us be very clear...provocative dressing is no more a reason for getting raped.What we need is educating the minds and rehabilitating the perverts in the society.Beyond this the law should be enacted ...making rape non bailable offence and if found guilty the punishment should be nothing less than death. Also no appeal should be encouraged...
By KR BALA, Providing HR Services, Independent HR Consultant  | 08 02 2011 11:06:06 +0000
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if it's about victim blaming then why not call it "Stop Rape Victim Blaming Morcha", with the aim "Please be justified when rape happens, hear from both the sides equally, the victim as well as accused, properly! No matter, what accuse say, punish him for the force he applied hear him too for the reasons if logical, but also discourage scanty clothing from female side" But unfortunately the morcha says "Slut Walk" "whatever we dressup is ok, tolerate it! no matter we go nude in the open public" and simultaneously you also say, hey! we are not talking about the clothing actually, we are just talking about victim blaming. Absurd ! Decent clothing is something not only for females, but applied to males also. Imagine, what the hell would happen if males start dressing up even a bit similar to girls in buses and trains ? Encourage human equality!.. dont encourage "it's my will, whatever i wanna do"... Or if you encourage it... then please do it for both males as well as females.
By Vishwas , -, --  | 08 02 2011 10:02:37 +0000
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a little bit
By Girish Nama, Freelancer, IT Products  | 08 02 2011 05:11:24 +0000
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What is slut walk....

The SlutWalk protest marches began on April 3, 2011 in Toronto, Canada and became a movement of rallies across the world. Participants protest against explaining or excusing rape by referring to any aspect of a woman's appearance.The rallies began when Constable Michael Sanguinetti, a Toronto Police officer, suggested that to remain safe, "women should avoid dressing like sluts."The protest takes the form of a march, mainly by young women, where some dress in ordinary clothing and others dress provocatively, like "sluts." There are also speaker meetings and workshops.Some objectors have remarked that this approach is an example of women defining their sexuality in male terms.

...source:wikipedia...


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 02 2011 04:24:22 +0000
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Thanks,Gargi,The concept is definitely Western.It originated in Canada where a Bus driver addressed one of woman a 'slut'. The core issue is to right focal the thought of a man .The walk has attracted media for reasons other than the real issue.I do not think such parades help the matter much.


By Mohammad Bakhsh, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, Freelancer  | 08 02 2011 03:32:43 +0000
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The movement was actually to communicate the message that don't blame a woman alone and curtail her freedom of dressing especially etc., Its just an awareness campaign! and when there is some noise around people will know that Men have an equal responsibility not to intimidate women by their actions... Message is communicated and it will trigger a thought process that both have equal responsibilities in terms of their actions and approach to each other!! The ultimate message is respect each others freedom of staying the way they are!! One such message of such a discrimination for example is.... men who go sluts and call them sluts..but then what are they.. Gentleman? Girl with no negative intentions seen with men get labeled so.. what do the male counterparts get to be called? I feel message of respect each others right to choice should be respected... no one has any business in imposing their mindset on the others! whether it be dressing or anything for that matter!

While the movement is very successful in terms of triggering a thought process - here I can say that the such objectives are met!!

While he result of that thought process creating an effect in the way greater society's approach towards women changing, is questionable!


By Rijo Stephen Cletus, Business Analyst / Consultant for IT, Hospitals and Healthcare Sector  | 08 01 2011 16:31:18 +0000
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well said nehaji.. dnt know y people instead of behaving in proper way blame others for the ills... also agree with RN sirs views...
By vivekanand chaudhary, Human resource Department, HR-Officer,Transport Corporation of India ltd.  | 08 01 2011 16:20:11 +0000
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Can anybody provide the statistics of women mollestation in 1980's and present 2011!"slutwalk" does not mean women's freedom but provocating sex against will. No body should forget mental/physical/sentimental different behavior of male & female.Let female posses these every thing like male, then thier will be no problem wowmens liberation.
By R N Bhattacharyya, Freelancer, Freelancer  | 08 01 2011 15:43:20 +0000
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People will stay off their office for the day to cram the streets and block the traffic!
By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 08 01 2011 14:56:01 +0000
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Its a futile exercise. First of all, ask ourselves : Why did it start at Toronto, Canada? Canada is one of the developed nations, ladies are very liberal as compared to India. Still they needed this 'slutwalk' ? It goes to prove that such gimmicks do not help women, rather denigrate them further. Otherwise why does a Toronto woman need such rallies for her rights ? Are they still not 'liberated enough' ? Indians should learn from their mistakes and not ape the West blindly.
By Shyam S, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, A leading EDA firm  | 08 01 2011 11:56:31 +0000
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This idea is copied from the West. What a person wears at his home is okay. But what a person wears in public should not be below accepted decency levels.
By MS_Pi , Top Management, Confidential  | 08 01 2011 10:22:10 +0000
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To go & participate in such parades is an individual choice. So let it be decided by every individual whether to go for "Slut Walk" or not, as there are also other way to take attention from others. Thanks for referral, Gargi.
By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 09 03 2011 11:11:48 +0000
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Mr Kush

I'd request you that please refer to the meaning of "Slut" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut)

or (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slut)

or (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slut)

or (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/slut)

Please work on the knowledge of English and then confront me. Develop your vocabulary in English.


By Ardhendu Pal, Upgrading Knowledge Base, Researching in Computer Software/Hardware  | 08 09 2011 14:47:19 +0000
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Referring the history of the concept of "Slut Walk" it is said to be a movement from prostitutes and was spread in other nations by the people in same profession only. Now we have to think that those walked in that movement in New Delhi, are they from that profession of prostitution? If anyone outside India or even outside Delhi watches then they will conclude that the participants in that walk were the professional prostitutes.


By Ardhendu Pal, Upgrading Knowledge Base, Researching in Computer Software/Hardware  | 08 08 2011 21:58:31 +0000
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tormentation on women s surely a result of one,s conscience bt staring s different it has been proven in research males stimulates visually and women need emotional attachment ,so if woman s looking hot staring by males s phisiological reaction and after tht what he does s strictly a matter of his values.Purpose of this is nt clear becoz issue raised about exotic dresses and calling the movement slut walk ,i thnk if it s done to project idea tht whatever they wear dnt consider or view them as sluts,so change ths name and clarify tht is it asking of reverence from society or showing ur comfort,changing of male conscience.to me ths s like misrepresentation of their viewpoint by themselves
By ANOOP BHARTI, M.E/M.Tech/MS student, LPU JALLANDHAR: PUNJAB  | 08 07 2011 15:52:40 +0000
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Please kindly refer to all these articles provided in links here 1:- ( http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.14439/title.bill-passes-to-ban-sagging-pants-in-florida) 2:- ( http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/india-goa-temple-bans-foreigners-over-skimpy-dress-2293985.html)
By Ardhendu Pal, Upgrading Knowledge Base, Researching in Computer Software/Hardware  | 08 01 2011 17:39:09 +0000
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hello Gargi,something new which was not required or need of the hour!! may be wearing some exotic outfits may be allowed in the name of freedom but,big question is does it require? if so,to whom and what for?? i think this is totally absurd!
By jairaj shyam prasad, Production Manager, BOSCH Ltd  | 08 01 2011 16:33:13 +0000
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For some women emancipaion means only sexual freedom!!! Its an irony that ppl want to be educated by indecent, posh but corrupt, rich, and miserly!!!So bloody sad!!!
By neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp  | 08 01 2011 16:01:34 +0000
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I fully support this movement. All of us , both men and women should have the freedom to dress the way we want ; if the opposite sex thinks the dress is provocative , this is only in their minds. We need to change this way of thinking.

Even if we stare , moving from staring to eve-teasing , and then further on to rape is evidence of a diseased mind , and not because the dressing was provocative.

We are no different from the Taliban , which forces women to wear the burqa.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 08 01 2011 14:55:52 +0000
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In the era of banning indecent and vulgar outfits by most developed nations including Brazil and USA we are witnessing such depressing activities from our youth side. This is really saddening and unacceptable in a rich cultured society that we have in India. The youth is now crossing the tolerable limits and most of the blame goes to their parents, if their parents treated those undisciplined mass with a bit of stick and slaps then they wouldn't have dared to bypass the rules of a healthy society. What's their allegation "Change the Mentality" My foot. I won't change my psychology, if they will expose I'll stare and after this condemn-able act by those "Bgiri hui Aulaad" I'll stare them more and now more dirty manner will be followed. THEY DESERVE TO BE RAPED AND MURDERED BRUTALLY.
By Ardhendu Pal, Upgrading Knowledge Base, Researching in Computer Software/Hardware  | 08 01 2011 14:15:26 +0000
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Aping western culture is okay. Westernisation should be uniform. More than 90% of our countrymen adhere to true moral and ethical values of Eastern thought, irrespective of religions! Why to experiment such indecency! If you "bare" they will "stare" and complain about it! They have to know when and where to draw a line, before complaining!
By S. Muralidharan, Executive Director, Knowledge Foundation & Campus Around the Corner  | 08 01 2011 13:40:59 +0000
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In continuation of what you said this is possible in India. I have a feeling being feudal society in past, there is probably an undercurrent of treating ladies in our country as second class citizens, who dont have any say but those think in this way must see the world including India is changing fast and they should treat the ladies equally in front of the society, I am particularly refering to  rural India.


By Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant  | 08 01 2011 13:37:18 +0000
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In the name of fashion, decency shall not be missed. Those who cant agree with decency levels have to face consequences. " What I wear has nothing to do with you", if it is the tendency, you cant blame the police, they cant guarantee you the safety every time.
By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 08 01 2011 11:31:25 +0000
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