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Created by : Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 01 16 2012 13:46:32 +0000
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One explanation of the same can be that it is not the class divide that is causing the insensitivity but the high pressured urban lifestyle has made us all individuals insensitive to the needs of those around us.

I think this is a fascinating topic for all of us to discuss, debate and try to understand. 

 
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No! The middleclass is aware of the needs of the poor. Vs Yes! The middle class is insensitive to the poorer segment.
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The middle class is soundly rooted to the ground reality. Infact it is this segment that has not been swayed by factors like business interests, caste, religion & language. This is precisely why the middle-class is such a potent force in the elections. They tilt the shift in power balance because they keep their options open.
By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  02 07 2012 07:46:49 +0000
 
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Yes the middle-class is increasingly becoming a bunch of spoilt brats. This is true basically of the younger generation. They do not think of the society as a whole and as Vinoy say want everything that is on offer. Yes I do agree with Srinivas and Mathew Sir, that it is job of the government to take care of the poor of the society, but definitely the buck does not stops there. The society as a whole has to be sensitive to the poorer of the society.
By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  01 17 2012 09:41:10 +0000
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it is not the thing increasing here. The point is there was a disconnection between three of them and they will be untill the end.
By siddivineetkumar , OPERATIONS HEAD, AKSHARA EVENTS  | 03 02 2012 16:04:23 +0000
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The primary objective of our society should be to reach education to interiors of our country with a focus on female literacy. Believe me it will work wonders for India. Mere doles handed out to the poor is not the answer, it is only a supplement to the answer.
By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 02 18 2012 12:31:49 +0000
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If I have a car I will think how the pedastrians are living.They to be outlawed.Even I wont spare five minutes to fill up a form of an aged person who has pen but dont know how to present?My shirts are tucked like my mind and My English is keeping distance from those who knows only the MOTHER TONQUEMr. vinoy I agree with all of your comments
By pandianarjunan , project manager  | 02 17 2012 09:11:14 +0000
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i support u shanti , ur rght.


By puneet , Manager Admin  | 02 08 2012 13:22:54 +0000
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Practical way out of this is to make professionals serve in rural areas as part of their educational courses. In terms of financial help there is little the middle class can help in this matter as they too are struggling to make both ends meet.
By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 02 08 2012 12:39:57 +0000
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Even if Poor, middle, high class knows the need/problem of poor how u can act. is it any org /society that take care as any class . We have official NGO's ,social organisation's, social workers , political parties , foundations they meant to take care . huge donation are given . Need and supports are needed for every on right from Pm to common citizen size and shape is different. need and support is universal. q should be what makes a constant gap in fulfillment. A corporat need poor as labours ,middle class as employees etc . Rich too need s servants , middles class needs rich corporate patis as employers society needs R-M-P politicians for needs chain goes on .
By Prasad Kanhere, Technology developemnt, Sivaa Tech  | 02 08 2012 11:02:44 +0000
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Its just that they are so caught up with their own problems in life that they dont have time for the poor. Then again, the question that begs askance is "Is the rich yuppie class aware of the needs of the poor ?" I in fact feel that the urban middle class is definitely more sensitive towards the poor, there may be a few spoilt brats in every segment of society who are the black sheeps but to brand the entire middle class as insensitive is wrong.Plus like someone said in this debate it is the duty of the govt. indeed to worry about the poor because they are the ones who create such a divisive society with their policies !
By Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group  | 02 07 2012 19:32:07 +0000
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Comments are Bhari- There is no question of connect and disconnect, and at social level , segmentation is like financial cast or religion or regionalism. Every one cares for his own interest and growth . Economy is developed to such extent that concept of poor is almost finished. every aims to climb higher steps of success /ladder, govt economy structure is like elevator . Every one needs every one so classification has no base. Focus should be that every one respected , happy ,healthy,contributory. test of chat wala is good and enjoyment is at that place , some coffee shop high paid coffee in some star hotel has its own style and status . It is chain that is continuous !!!! unbroken!!!!
By Prasad Kanhere, Technology developemnt, Sivaa Tech  | 02 07 2012 08:44:59 +0000
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The middle class is aware but doing nothing. Also, the only real help can come from govt by social subsidy, town planning and redev. What can individuals do?
By neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp  | 01 27 2012 12:39:55 +0000
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No, Its actually the definition of poor that most of us are nor clear about. You can't call a rickshaw puller in urban city a poor but still some of us will disagree. You can't call all computer programmers to belong to middle class either. Some of them are still poor. You can't call a farmer poor and still some would disagree. In a developing nation like ours, we all are at different level of middle class. Instead of calling a few insensitive, we should call them self centered but most of us are polite and considerate. This issue in debate is also a testimony to it.
By Tanmay Gaur, Freelance Software Developer  | 01 26 2012 07:15:52 +0000
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Middle-class is aware of the needs of the poor. Period. But yes! a small spoilt group of it which has loose its mooring (which incidentally gets all the media coverage) is insensitive.
By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 01 25 2012 11:36:41 +0000
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Why the middle class to be blamed. The entire society has the responsibility. Why not the upper class, so as the lower class. Yes, I saw many little boys and girls begging on streets. In the larger frame work of governance, these things do come. The entire society has a role to play not just the middle class or some other class. Begging on streets is more than 500 crore worth business in India. Irresponsible young men and women particularly those belonging to higher class and upper middle class are contributing more for the increased number of orphans on roads. Anyway Govts. cant run away from their responsibility.


By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 01 20 2012 10:52:30 +0000
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Mr. Mathew said it right "nobody need be sensitive to anybodies needs in a society, its the job of the Govt."

No Govt. can claim the success of the reforms, it is an inevitable move in deed. The policies of the successive Govts. both at the centre and states are responsible for the widening gap between the haves and have nots. The vote bank politics ruining the possible avenues of the people in the lower strata. They are made habituated to depend heavily on the non-sense schemes of the Govts. These schemes cant provide a permanent solution to their poverty. These people need to be included in the growth process.

Village industries needs encouragement to stop the migrations to the towns/cities. Reforms in Agricultural sector shall be given priority. Marketing facilities for the agricultural produce needs to be improved. Crop insurance shall be made mandatory. FCI shall be revamped totally. Storage facilities shall have to be improved. If these things are taken care of, the lower strata will get the benefit of reforms.


By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 01 17 2012 06:37:26 +0000
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As a matter of fact nobody need be sensitive to anybodies needs in a society, which is the job of the government in a scientifically conceived nation. Our nation seems to weigh in on metaphysical and so this plight of citizen to take care of fellow citizen. Government has a policy tool for measuring inequality. Which is, if one stratify the income distribution of citizen, the exponential from lost to highest need be ideally 1. This means there is no inequality. If it is less then there is. It works this way. Suppose the bottom cluster of income is around 800dollars, the middle around 5000 dollars and the top cluster around 100000 dollars. Then, e to the power of (rx800)=5000 makes r less than 1 and so also e^(rx800)=100000 makes it again less than 1. If there were no inequality there will only be 1 cluster or r will be closer to 1.

This index is called the Ginni Index for measuring inequality of any nation. Government is supposed to especially a developing nation to keep watch over this index and generate policies that  reduce inequality. For India when last I saw this was around 0.54 and for US 0.67.


By Mathew Cherian, Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University  | 01 16 2012 17:42:08 +0000
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Mr Mathew has cited some "scientific methodology" which obviously lacks to appreciate any percolation to the real needy is far from proven with widening gap with rich getting richer and poor only increasingly getting poorer as also increasing in quantum.Poor Governance and policy deficit is at root is as well beyond imagination but as Indians do the have alls a responsibility towards lending a helping hand to ones with have nots is the question we must begin asking. Needless to mention palaces can not withstand on marshy lands.


By Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 02 17 2012 14:36:14 +0000
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Nice example Mr. Pandianarjunan. These debate has brought to fore fantastic ideas on both sides. I personally feel this cocooned life of middle class will eventually give way to a more comprehensive understanding of the society as a whole. Frankly I won't be surprised if what we identify as the middle class' view is just a attitude of a segment of the middle class. A segment manured and projected by the media. A segment that can bring in ad revenues to the media. It would be worthwhile to find out if the disconnect is after all between this segment and the poorer sections of the society.


By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 02 17 2012 09:36:13 +0000
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"If you redeem your village, this viral effect will start happening!" If one reads the post of Murlidharanji below, the above statement of his explains where the focus of an Indian individual should be. Make progress individually and make a tiny difference in ones own village.

Surely even if a third of our middle class practice this golden commandment we could start a revolution that will change the face of India.

It is time we shouldered our responsibilities to state and stop acting as spoilt brats who keep pointing fingers on the politicians etc.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 02 17 2012 07:33:51 +0000
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Srinivas ji! I am sorry if you feel that the the middle class is targeted. I do not think so because the overwhelming number of this debate is from this class. Yes! We in the middle class do have our problem. But nothing compared to the lower rung of the society. This is why I brought to fore the question of disconnect. Forget the super rich. They live in their own world and largely is not affected by the action of the government. Like taxes, price hike. They bear the same hikes as us, but being realistic, this small hikes do not matter to that segment.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 02 08 2012 06:09:49 +0000
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@Shruth & Smith. The society was divided as Poor, Middle and Rich according to the financial status of the people. But its not the mandatory ladder one has to cross each segment of financial position in his life. Middle class do have their financial problems, so they can understand the financial problems of poor when compared to the rich class. I am unable to understand why the middle class is being targeted here. They have their own problems and aspirations. Its not my intention to say that middle class are not at all responsible in this problem. But, my opposition to pointing the fingers only at middle class for the problem.
By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 02 08 2012 05:58:11 +0000
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It is true that the middle class knows the needs of the poor because they just stepped to the middle class level after being poor for a very long time. But the child generation of the middle class generation shows least botheration for the poor these days. May be because they are looking for a higher life style and would not have time to turn back and help the poor. I think children should come to know how much their parents struggle to give them a luxury life. If that itself can be understood by children, all these awareness issues can be resolved in moments. Regards, Shruth & Smith Foundation (NGO), Banshankari, Bangalore. http://www.shruthandsmithfoundation.org
By Shruth & Smith Group, Owner, Shruth & Smith Foundation  | 02 08 2012 05:23:45 +0000
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True. This is primarily because of the modern world is more self conscious and hardly having time to think on what others are doing.


By sudhakar , BUSINESS CONSULTANT  | 02 07 2012 14:55:04 +0000
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Yes it,s increasing very rapidley. Equal oppurtunities must be given to this section also.
By Omkar Kulkarni, Accounts Officer, Minilec(India) Pvt Ltd  | 01 28 2012 15:46:14 +0000
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I agree with Nehaji partly. The government should go ahead with its social emporment schemes. Infact it has to better its record to a large extent. But somebody will feel the pinch for diverting public money to the work. It is going to be the middle-class. The super rich will not bat an eyelid in the increse of taxes, price rise in petrol & diesel etc. They already move around in limousine.

But the gist of what I am saying is we in the middle-class may be in for a short period of pressure. But got to take it in the right spirit. I believe, a significant section of the higher middle class is not doing so.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 01 27 2012 12:52:11 +0000
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Yes Tanmay, I do not agree that the definitions of class should not be based on ones profession. But we cannot deny the existence of a class division in the Indian society based on financial muscle.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 01 26 2012 13:35:41 +0000
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Thanks to all my friends who have debated on this topic so far. I have always questioned myself if there is anything true to the 'disconnect theory'. I am beginning to veer towards a hawk in my views on this topic.

I still feel strongly that we only pay lip service to sensitivity of the society. We get worked up if there is hike in petrol prices , in spite of the volatility of global market. The same middle class is skeptical when the government seeks to introduce schemes (politically motivated or not - is matter for another debate) for the uplift-ment of the downtrodden. We are then worried about the loss to the exchequer.

Brig. Chadha does have a point that it is our collective guilt coupled with selfishness that we want the government to lift the burden all by itself. As he pointed out it is not the question of finances only, social factors to do matter. No government can enforce it. Or it will be a police state?


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 01 25 2012 05:22:06 +0000
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Amishji probably you got a point that a section of the middle-class is bearing the brunt of the financially tough times along with the poor.

I guess it is time we classify the the middle class into upper middle class and lower middle-class. The lower end seems to be on the receiving end. The big guns continue to splurge without much of an impact.

Thanks Muralidharanji for explaining the paradox, I referred to. Though I am not sure that if it is ignorance or insensitivity that is creating ths disconnect. Either way it does not bode well for our country.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 01 25 2012 05:19:30 +0000
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Come on. The Middle class is not moving upward in today's economy, especially with the high interest rates, higher inflation and higest Exchange rates, we are seeing a reverse flow of the Middle Class in fact moving downward towards the poor class. so surely there is no disconnect here. However when you see the disconnection it is really rather between the elite class and the middle class. Otherwise you cannot explain the downtrend.
By AMISH , Writer - Administrator  | 01 23 2012 07:44:59 +0000
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Disparity and inequity exist and is more predominant in our middle class society. If you look back, who this middle class, where have they come from? Our poor ancestors out of their sheer hard work toiled very hard to at least elevate their offsprings to become middle class. Do we really look back to understand our roots. Every family would have a sordid story to narrate about their ancestors! In the mechanical humdrum of our life, somehow, we have lost in mid-way in pursuit of self-centred happiness! Usurping of funds meant for upliftment of villagers happens in connivance of the middle class, most of us are equally responsible for this sorry state of affairs in some form or the other. We are usurping cultivable lands render them landless, homeless and in a way force them to lead nomadic life. They lose identity, eventually, even getting a Ration Card or an Aadhar Card are mere dream for them, as they say they do not have any valid document to prove that they belong to that place. A lot can be said about their woes, but inspite of available solution to mitigate their woes, we tend to ignore the first step! What could this first step be? Be self-centric, visit your own village (ancestor's village), take stock of things, anything is wanting there, help them write to administration, approach the Village Panchayat, ask for budgetary allocation, sensitise your own villagers about the flagship programmes (over 150 of them offered for their welfare by the Centre and the State concerned), help them fill the application to seek the grants meant for the development of your own village!Be selfish! If you redeem your village, this viral effect will start happening! Thanks James for kindling the dormant fire in every individual!
By S. Muralidharan, Executive Director, Knowledge Foundation & Campus Around the Corner  | 01 23 2012 07:17:41 +0000
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yes middle-class is totally insensitive to the poorer here i am supporting to this cause coz When Mr. methew and Srinivas says that we are not at all here responsible for anybody in society and government is responsible so her i wanna clear government make rules regulation and lows by that only govt. can help us but we people only break rules for our benefits in Delhi only we can see many under 14 yrs child you will see as a labour and many of us daily see them but never do anything either we are the most educative and higher salaried responsible people of the society and we also have some responsibility towards the society
By Namrata Chauhan, IT recruiter, Pinaki Consultant  | 01 20 2012 09:56:37 +0000
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there is no doubt that there is a positive disconnect. but then was this not expected when a agro based social system was moving towards a western economic model which evolved for an industrialized capitalist system. (system NOT society !!). and to take care of their needy, they thought of social security etc. we may not be able to retreat from the transition - and whereas economic formulae etc are fine - can we just brush away our centuries old culture ? its easy to say that it is the govt's job - whose govt is it anyway ? pardon my saying so - and in all humility - don't you think that those who feel its the govt's job are the most "disconnected". the middle class "is aware" and is largely "insensitive" too - but we cannot brush away the fact. those of us call ourselves the urban middle class are busy "succeeding" - and can do little for those less fortunate. we are hoping that someone eases the burden of our guilt - no, the govt will not ease the burden for us. we need to introspect and take responsibility for our actions first - doing something - a drop in the ocean - MUST follow. my respects and regards.
By Brigadier (Retd) Sunil Chadha,, Nil  | 01 20 2012 08:26:27 +0000
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It is becoming increasingly apparent that the needs of the poor of the society and middle-class are going on a tangent. There is a reason for the same. The economic reforms of last two decades have bettered the middle class. Windows of opportunity have been opened and our middle class has utilized them to lift their standards of livings. They now are demanding further fruits.

But the unfortunate part of the economic reforms has been that the reforms have not been able to perculate to the lower strata of society. Infact their plight is worse of than any time before. This will result in a strain on the growth of the country and eventually slow down the growth story. It could also cause social tensions in future. 

The needs of today's middle-class and the lower income grops are not similar as it was before. The questions thus arises if the middle-class is aware of these chasm between them and the lower strata when they critize the government for denying them further incentives?

Is there a disconnect between the middle class and the poor segment of our society. Or  is it insensitivity rather than disconnect, that drives the ever increasing demands of middle-segment?

A paradox indeed (Which I cannot explain) for the good majority of todays middle-class were in the poor sections just 2 decades back. What explains this attitude. In-fact before reforms, India did not have much of a middle-class segment to speak of.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Tour Consultant., Guiders Mission Tours & Travels  | 01 16 2012 13:55:46 +0000
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