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Created by : Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 08 10 2011 05:20:52 +0000
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The media seems to be increasingly playing God. True, there is a vacuum created in our political framework due to distrust of the political class. And many of the groups are joining the bandwagon to fill this. The civil society is one noticeable one. But what is unfortunate has been the Media's role.

Media is increasingly coming across as a participant in this process and not as a mediator for the process. (A coordinator on one of prime-time English debate on an primer English channel comes across as particularly forceful of his opinions. Even cutting off the participants who differ from him.) Is it not hurting the media ad its credibility? I shudder to think of it that way. For I am a die-hard news channel addict. But it is leading up that path.

By trying to fil in the in the political vaccum and increasing the TRPs, the Media will be loosing out on its credibity in the long term. There are few states in our country that witnessed this trend among the state channels. What we have left today in those states is a channel - a party mode. The editor of the channel is just a namesake. The news and other programmes to be telecast is largely decided by the party heads.

I sincerely believe that the Media should not get wrapped up in this type cast of breaking news, scams unearthed every 12 hours, calling names etc. (in fact a scam unearthed today does not shake the nation as it did as back as a year.  The value of media news is increasingly being lost.

The journalist carries weight when he presents him in a dignified manner. And dignified journalism is one o f  the pillars of the our nation. It has to be more reasonable and  non-partisan.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  08 10 2011 05:25:34 +0000
 
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I think Mr. Vinoy is wrong in asking the media to mediate. As per that Mr. Dhingra is right. Media's role is not that of a mediator. But Indian media, especially English channels are simple playing to the galleries.

Arnab Goswami of Times Now. Surely no credible Media school will use him as a case-study for good, neutral journalist. And he is the executive director of this prominent channel.

Frankly but it not the job of the media to act as a mediator.


By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  08 30 2011 11:08:25 +0000
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Media - the word is plural of medium - that which is in the middle, mostly to carry stuff (stories, truth, conversations, etc.)

Now, when they are carrying all these things, since they are human beings, they WILL get involved.

Those who do NOT like their interference should conduct proceedings behind closed doors. And many do that, in fact. 

So, many important people are doing all the real deals behind closed doors. WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE BEING SHOWN? Pretty colors. That's what it amounts to.

Though I think that 90% of what the media is doing is useless, I agree with Vinoy, the media barons are trying to muscle their way into becoming people who make things happen - not just report or carry.


By Isaac Madhavan, IT / Technical Writer, IT major  | 10 26 2011 08:45:29 +0000
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I just saw a debate on BBC on Global economy. Wow! Really mindblowing. And very informative. Wish our TV channels took a lesson or two from it. And BBC does get its fair share of TRPs.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 10 08 2011 13:18:40 +0000
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It is shameful! Similarly the case with Ms. Sharmilla from North-East., A lot of news worthy topics are laid by the way side as it does not suit the interest of media moghuls
By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 10 01 2011 07:18:47 +0000
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The time given for the the quake that hit N-E last fortnight coupled with the programmes on the Indian government stance in the various international forums during the UN week in New York were not as much as that spend on needlessly propping up the time given to Team Anna. Pity state of standards in Indian Journalism.
By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  | 09 29 2011 08:32:13 +0000
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Sure if politicians actual walk out of your show, surely you have gone over the top. The politician is last of the breed to part with publicity.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 09 15 2011 07:56:58 +0000
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its 100% true.the views are not at all expressed in aright way.They dragging the public with blind eye without any destination.Lack of strong political personnel who can attract the public with their individual capability like, INDIRA GANDHI,KAMARAJ,JEYAPRAKASH NARAYAN, They are dominating the one all,politician ,judiciary also.


By pandianarjunan , project manager  | 09 15 2011 07:41:14 +0000
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Shameena I guess you are right? We cannot keep on blaming the media, the politicians and others for the problems. We are the pople are taking what we want with our eyes open. And surely India as a country by and large is a country that accept free choice. It is basically our fault.


By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  | 09 13 2011 06:00:11 +0000
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Annaji's agitation was a fine example. What was it all about. Frankly is corruption a new matter. If you think so you have just woken up from a deep slumber of wonderland.

When he called of the fight aganst corruption what did he gain. To be frank nothing and definitely only hardship for the common man. Frankly was this the second war of independence. Independence from what. Some of friends from the other side of the debate infact still claim so. Really this is perverted knowledge supplied from half baked news that forms the opinion.

But frankly we cannot blame the media alone. Have we sat down and asked ourselves to think about the news matter that has been telecast. We can very wel swith over from such non-ethical and unprofessional channels.

Just accept the damn thruth. We as a society are becoming too lazy to even think for ourselves. Really frightenig situation. What good is all education, knowledge of technology etc, if we have have forgotten to think for ourselves.


By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 09 13 2011 04:59:51 +0000
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Media, to it's true definition is an agency, which communicates the news, as it is happening to the public. Forming opinion is strictly left to the public. The opposite of this, is the section of Media, which creates the news. This worst kind of media. One old example, which cites this worst kind, comes to mind. In Kashmir, before the situation aggravated, BBC media persons used to gather some persons, distrinute among them some money, give them Indian flag, force them to burn it, take photos and publish them. This is the perverted face of media, which is dangerous to the nation.
By Prakash Saitwal, Technical Support Manager, Aditya Birla Management Corporation P. Ltd.  | 09 12 2011 17:06:19 +0000
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ya sir,u said true.
By prachijindal , Pursuing MBA in Aviation management, Banasthali university  | 09 11 2011 16:29:44 +0000
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Mr. Prakash, that is the problem that has surfaced over the last few years. Authority without responsibility. Whether it the the opposition holding the house to ransom, Team- A giving diktats to the state. And the media trying to set the terms of national debate.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 09 11 2011 10:13:09 +0000
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Media is acting as Authority, who has ALL POWERS and NO RESPONSIBILITY. They are enjoying the role of investigator, judge and all in one.
By Prakash Saitwal, Technical Support Manager, Aditya Birla Management Corporation P. Ltd.  | 09 10 2011 17:49:18 +0000
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Dear Anna,

You put forward the dynamics behind the whole fact in simple words. Nice to see a young person stand up and call the bluff.

I am not sure of money changing hands in form of hard cash, but favors and favoritism surely is part of the baggage for media coverage.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 09 02 2011 05:09:23 +0000
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The telecasting programmes would offcourse be chosen by politicians for every channel because in every channel, one or the other key decision maker would be an active politician. There would also be flow of black money of these politicians to these channels. Obvoiusly the media have to be loyal to their money banks. Simple. Regards, Anna George.
By Anna George, Web Analyst, NichePro Consulting LLC  | 09 02 2011 04:53:20 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

Let us stop this debate here because you are not reading properly what I wrote. I asked you for evidence on these two questions/sentences by you:

a).Media, by its nature of functions has no role to play as a mediator.

b).Media has already lost its credibility by adding fuel to fire even in trivial matters earlier due to its continued efforts by creating a hill out of a mole almost every time.

Keep it up if you are so stubborn to maintain your views without having any proof about what you say.

No further comments from me on this topic.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 01 2011 10:03:26 +0000
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I think English media is standing exposed today as it over stepped its role.
By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 09 01 2011 05:13:54 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

You never replied to any of the questions that I had asked you. You did not produce evidence for your claim that media makes a mountain out of a mole. Media is represented by well know lawyers who can drag you to court. It is for your own good that I am asking you to withdraw that statement.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 09 01 2011 01:35:25 +0000
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experts in law, like Shanti Bhushan and Prashant Bhushan, who are very senior advocates and Kiran Bedi, as a retired police chief. Any one of them, if come to know, can take you to the court of law for claiming damages

a). If we strictly follow what is written above then 90% of toostep members should be in JAIL.

b). Even without writing anything they can drag me to court....Indian system is that much corrupt and dirty.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 31 2011 08:57:32 +0000
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I have edited those three sentences. Hope this satisfies Mr.Dhingra.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 31 2011 07:23:02 +0000
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It needs to be investigated whether the media and Anna's team were cohorts in this whole game. Who knows Anna's team may have told the media that "we'll make the old man fast, you do a round the clock live coverage". In that process media may have pushed its TRP and advertisements, ultimately agreeing to share the revenue with Team Anna.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 31 2011 07:22:03 +0000
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Dear Vinoy,

I had written three sentences in which I had expressed my doubt... starting with "it needs to be investigated...". But Mr.Dhingra wants to declare my last sentence as a "stand alone" sentence and want to start a fight. In that case, let me fight. You can see the timestamp of each post and decide who started this...


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 31 2011 07:06:23 +0000
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Mr. Dhingra, Sorry I think I got the word mediator wrong in the topical Sentence. I actually meant neutral. I do not see any neutrality when you report and support any cause. The use of acrebic language against a party leaders also do not come as neutral journalism.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 08 31 2011 05:25:02 +0000
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Mr. Dhingra, Sorry I think I got the word mediator wrong in the topical Sentence. I actually meant neutral. I do not see any neutrality when you report and support any cause. The use of acrebic language against a party leaders also do not come as neutral journalism.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 08 31 2011 05:23:16 +0000
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Dear Munshi please keep the sanctity of the forum. Please do not act as a Mr. Khaithan and vitiate the atmosphere and please refrain from levelling specific charges, unless you have concretre evidence.

 And Mr. Dhingra, see how the ball roles. It hurts when Anna is accussed of corruption, without evidence. How do you tolerate the silly fancy-dress of Mrs. Bedi or the gibberrish of the Bhushans and Kejriwal. They also level charges that MPs are corrupt etc without substantial evidence.

I hope you will agree with me now that levelling unwanted charges are easy and tantamounts to wastage of intelluctual space.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 08 31 2011 05:18:47 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

What should I understand from these two independent sentences of yours:

Media, by its nature of functions has no role to play as a mediator.

BUT, in the particular single case of Anna's movement for corruption, the media has really been trying to paly its real role of medium to bring forth what is in the minds and nefarious designs of  the political leaders, which otherwise people would not have come to know.

These two sentences are OPPOSITE to each other. On one side you are saying media cannot and should not function as a mediator. On the other hand you are saying media acted as a medium between politicians and people which it self means it acted as a mediator (a neutral body passing views from politicians to people and vice versa).


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 31 2011 04:46:07 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

Your sentence On the other hand mediator means negotiator,"

Can you prove that both mediator and negotiator are the same? They are not.

A mediator is always neutral while a negotiator is not. A mediator has no decision making authority while a negotiator has etc etc. Mediation and negotiation - the two terms are totally different.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 31 2011 04:32:52 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

Your sentence Media, by its nature of fuctions has no role to play as a mediator."

Please produce evidence/proof for this sentence.

 


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 31 2011 04:13:11 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

"..Media has already lost its credibility by adding fuel to fire even in trivial matters earlier due to its continued efforts by creating a hill out of a mole almost every time."

BUT, nobody has come forward so far with the plea that media is making a hill out of a mole.

I request Mr. Dhingra, the owner of this sentence, to quote any proof in support of his statement.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 31 2011 04:10:22 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

 

Why not ask members what is their interpretation of the sentence, as follows, which you used? That clearly indicates your specific judgment & views about Anna's integrity:

"even Anna team would like to share credit "


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 31 2011 04:01:43 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

a).The sentence "It needs to be investigated..." is not a definite sentence. It means that the investigation has not taken place.

b). Who know's Anna's team....that sentence is expressing a doubt about whether anybody knows. That sentence is equivalent to saying "Maybe Anna's team...".

c). The third sentence cannot be independent because it says "In that process....". Which process? The process is described in the previous sentence which itself is a doubtful sentence.

 


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 30 2011 15:51:30 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

Do you mind proving that any or all of the  media companies ultimately would NOT have shared the revenue with Team Anna?


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 30 2011 13:35:19 +0000
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Dear Mr.Dhingra,

I started my sentence as "It needs to be investigated if the media...". I did not write that "It has been found that media has ....". The sentence "it needs to be investigated.." means I am not definite but somebody else has to be prove....blah blah. SO, I am not entitled to produce any proof.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 30 2011 13:27:50 +0000
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Makesh I agree with you but on the other hand the success of Anna's movement is basically for the media. In other words most of the times the media manufacture news to stay afloat but on a real issue media today is in a position of creating a National awareness.


By Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant  | 08 29 2011 05:15:16 +0000
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media has both kind of the impact positive as ell as negative because many times it tried to covert the news to total masala news in the case of famous celebrity and another side provide a worldwide knowledge for us ..like ET,THE HINDUSTAN TIMES .....
By prachijindal , Pursuing MBA in Aviation management, Banasthali university  | 08 28 2011 03:46:45 +0000
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The media is totally irresponsible and comes across as crass at many a time. Deplorable to say the least.
By Shameena W., Admin Manager, Wizcraft Inc.  | 08 27 2011 14:16:56 +0000
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Media is doing its job of tracking whichever movement that draws it more ad revenues. Peepli Live was a good example. And now Anna H. If (God forbid) Anna is to die, then within seconds the media outfit will wrap up and walk away from the coverage. It is more partisan to its own cause than anything else.
By AMISH , Admin/Facilities Manager, VKVC  | 08 27 2011 06:22:58 +0000
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The English media is a drab. The debates are so predictive and repetitive. Even the subject matters of the debates are just the same. It has lost credibility in my eyes long back.
By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 08 27 2011 05:34:48 +0000
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Media is no more a source of actual information.......they are misleading the citizens by supporting the Politicians!!Anna should also take over to the Media as well!
By Rohit Thakur, Electrical Engineer-Industrial, Quality Engineering and Software Technologies  | 08 27 2011 03:45:18 +0000
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Media these days are just "For Sale" it depends on how much money you can pay to purchase their airtime moreover the trust which we had once for media is lost now. Reasons for this degradation is:- 1:- Public Disinterest-> Earlier days when there was Doordarshan the people of India were more concerned towards actual news and even now she has kept it's virtues intact. With the introduction of the private news channels we are devoid of an impartial, unbiased and truthful news. 2:- Competition -> The competition now is not focused towards the actuality but the Projection of provided actuality that is why we are getting full coverage when it comes to anything for which it is paid for. 3:- Unable and lazy journalists-> These days the employees wants easy money so the channels tends to the creation of news from no news that is why we can see the news programs dedicated to a) Movie, b) Serials, c) reality show, d) Cricket etc. 4:- Public Taste -> The public taste is also changed and they are now becoming less concerned towards actual news and take everything as granted.
By Ardhendu Pal, Upgrading Knowledge Base, Researching in Computer Software/Hardware  | 08 26 2011 22:47:37 +0000
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Thnx Pragati and Mr. Deb! It is nice to see people like you sitting back and analyzing the matter in a logical and pragmatic manner. It is particularly significant when one watches the frenzy wrapped up by the media.
By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 08 26 2011 14:36:32 +0000
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i totally agree with you sir, thanks for sharing.
By pragati parihar, MBA/PGDM student, banasthali university,jaipur  | 08 26 2011 13:03:47 +0000
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Vinoy I fully agree with your point of view on the subject. It is a question of TRP and that is the reason the channels taking up the role of participant on one hand and behaving like God on the other by saying my TRP is the highest.


By Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant  | 08 26 2011 10:22:39 +0000
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Unwanted use of hyperbole like calling a crowd of ten thousand to crores of people lends credence to this arguement.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 08 26 2011 05:36:21 +0000
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I think there is a change in approach of most channels. I guess the all round criticism of al people have woken them.

Surprising Shameena named Arnab of Times Now as bad moderator. Coincidentally I too find him really funny. He does not seem to have in him the ammunition of a moderator, much less the editor of a channel.

Pandianarjun analogy of dragging the people blindly is perfect. Such channels force-feed viewers. It is a way of corruption. Surprising Team - Anna has no issues with it. Shows the hollowness of Team - Anna's commitment to anti-corruption.


By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 09 15 2011 08:14:34 +0000
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Media's role is to reflect the public opinion and to make public opinion in some special cases. News papers and channels are being floated by political parties and leaders. How can we expect an unbiased stand from them. Every news paper and channel have their own political leanings. We just cant rely on the news being aired or printed. We need to assess ourselves. The Indian media is so polluted. They are far away from the Gandhian journalism philosophies. Gandhiji said "journalism shall not become a profession to earn your bread, the powerful media shall be used for social good". Is it happening. Media houses are fighting for TRP ratings. Media has nothing to do as a mediator. It should be the mirror of the society.
By Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.  | 09 14 2011 07:35:41 +0000
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i agree with u shameena


By puneet , Manager Admin  | 09 13 2011 10:28:00 +0000
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I shall request you to refresh your memory and agree with the Idea that no two stories and two circumstances can be same. When you are bribed by foreigner you are anti national but if bribed by a person of a party, you act as worker of that party. Matter concerning Anna's movement: India against Corruption should not be viewed and compared with any less important happenings than the Freedom movement lead by Gandhiji. Some statements coming from persons sitting in important positions spoil the taste and some make it more sensible.


By PRITHVI RAJ DUBEY, Managing Director, RAJ ENGINEERING INDUSTRIES PVT LTD  | 09 13 2011 03:37:19 +0000
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The possibilities of mediation are possible only where both the parties are permanent(or atleast appear like) but when Political parties, acting as Government are tried to bring to table for mediation they never get ready AND WHILE AWAY TIME OF THEIR tENURE. Media can only reflect the picture honestly and leave the rest to be decided be Indian Electors and elected.


By PRITHVI RAJ DUBEY, Managing Director, RAJ ENGINEERING INDUSTRIES PVT LTD  | 09 13 2011 03:27:32 +0000
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When you find that concerned agencies do not perfor their duty and Society is suffering Media becomes the mirror and shows the real face and innovative Media acts within the framework of constitution, some vested interests view this process differently which is far from the facts.


By PRITHVI RAJ DUBEY, Managing Director, RAJ ENGINEERING INDUSTRIES PVT LTD  | 09 13 2011 03:18:16 +0000
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Media Baron and Rulers want to use Media as their Publicity Agents and wheever they succeed absence of Media activity is visible.


By PRITHVI RAJ DUBEY, Managing Director, RAJ ENGINEERING INDUSTRIES PVT LTD  | 09 13 2011 03:12:35 +0000
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MEDIA can never play God unless they are shown standing with people and that too the sufferings of people. When Media stands with Leaders and Rulers, they are only acting as servants, trying to earn livlihood by keeping eyes shut and broad casting HIS MASTERS VOICE, and the are not seen as God but Slave.


By PRITHVI RAJ DUBEY, Managing Director, RAJ ENGINEERING INDUSTRIES PVT LTD  | 09 13 2011 03:08:34 +0000
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MEDIA IS VERY SINCERELY DOING ITS JOB.
By PRITHVI RAJ DUBEY, Managing Director, RAJ ENGINEERING INDUSTRIES PVT LTD  | 09 13 2011 03:00:46 +0000
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LOT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEDIA AND MEDIATOR IS THERE

Media, by its nature of fuctions has no role to play as a mediator. Media is a plural of the words means and medium through which we are able to know something.

On the other hand mediator means negotiator, intermeary or arbitrator which plays the role of patch up between two parties. Even otherwise also, media had ever been playing part of fuel to the fire in almost every matter.

BUT, in the particular single case of Anna's movement for corruption, the media has really been trying to paly its real role of medium to bring forth what is in the minds and nefarious designs of  the political leaders, which otherwise people would not have come to know.

THE MEDIA, IN REAL SENSE, ARE EXPOSING EACH LEADER, WHICH WE WOULD NOT OTHERWISE HAVE COME TO KNOW.

MEDIA CANNOT BE EXPECTED TO PLAY A ROLE OF A MEDIATOR AT ITS OWN, UNLESS BOTH THE PARTIES SPECIFICALLY NOMINATE THEM AS THEIR COMMON MEDIATOR. Moreover, pertinent question would arise, which of the several news channels should be selected to play the role of a reliable mediator?

NATURALLY, in such a movement, no political party or even Anna team would like to share credit with the third party, the media.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 09 11 2011 10:33:18 +0000
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Media: the means of communication, as radio and television, newspapers, and magazines, that reach or influence people widely! When we talk about its role in our lives, we need to understand that this is one area that is always going to be RIFE with speculations. Media in terms of television (news channels) will always be in the eye of the storm. News channels need to survive and to survive they need to make use of slots to promote the channel by provocative programming where by default the viewers are treated to interviews with prolific politicians, law enforcers, judiciary and celebrities! Its a part of a ploy that they have to use to keep people glued to their content and channel alike. In this process if they do what people have said on this platform, so be it!! Lets understand that the job of media is to present the happening as is where is basis, factually to the people. We have a right to know what happened. Why is ti that we speculate so much? And I have read people talking about Team Anna taking some money etc. I mean this is taking speculation to an extreme. If the media is exploring the entire episode and is speculating if some money did exchange hands then it speculation only and I never attach it to truth at all. Look everybody needs to survive and its a bloody war out there! If you even remotely think that its easy for these investigative journalists, criminal journalists or even regular journalists to get hold of news and facts to be presented to the junta, think again!! What happened to Mr Dey in Powai a couple of months back?? Shot in broad daylight.. for what ?? writing facts about the underworld. Making comments and throwing muck is the most easiest thing to do but to understand and accept the process and the way these people get hold of news and broadcast it to the nation... Applaud them please!
By Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International  | 09 08 2011 14:13:52 +0000
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Dear Munshi Ram Chand,

To know the real role of media, you may need to study journalism and would definitely be able to know that media is not meant to act as a mediator in any dispute between two parties. However, if you know rules of journalism, you are welcome to prove that media has a role to act as a mediator to settle any dispute between two parties, specially the Government and public? There are several members, who are correspondents, sr, correspondents and principal correspondents from whom you may also confirm that.

 

About your other question, you perhaps don't view some baseless rumours being spread by the media at times. One of the media group through its news channel had been severally heard repeating, "Dilli ka paani pani mat peena, ismein zahar hai, mar jaoge." The other day one meda had been spreading rumour "Kailey mat kahna, mar jaoge." Another day media on the death of a doctor who drank vegetable juice, used to repeatedly say the whole day, "Kaddu mat khana, mar jaoge." Still on one day, it stated Ice Cream mat khana, mar jaoge." That means, according to media, you should not eat fruits, you should not eat vegetables, you should not drink water, you should not drink milk, as if their correspondents and owners do not eat and drink anything.

 

What more proof you desire? If you still need more proof start viewing the news analytically at the news channels from today itself and see if that fits your common sense or not. If you ask other members of this forum, they may also be able to point out towards some such exxagerated news items of the media. You may also like to give me your email ID, if you want me to send you a few of the news items in near future to come, as a proof for you.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 09 01 2011 10:34:34 +0000
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Dear Makesh,

Have you seen the original unedited contents of Munshi Ramchand (now already edited by him) on which my earlier comments were based and now quoted in reply to his twisted latest post?

 

It seems you have posted your query just on the basis of my latest post and have not seen several original posts made so far by both of us. IF SO, that is clearly a case of reading between the lines by ignoring the facts.

 

My cooments were not based on the contents of Lokpal or Janlokpal bill, but on his comments where he alleged that the media would have shared its revenue with Anna's Team, which is clearly a defamation of Anna's team, but without without any proof in support of his reply. With my comments, I just cautioned him to restrict his statement to the extent on which he had any supporting proof, so that he may not fall prey of the legal community attached with Anna.

 

Better recheck related replies first before posting any comment. BUT, if you people have decided to twist the facts to the extent you like, I can only wish you good luck.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 09 01 2011 08:52:48 +0000
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Mr. Dhingraji, Where was this array of lawyers when they drafted the draconian Jan Lok Pal bill. Surely they are frivilous and used to acting impulsively and without logic.

As for dragging any of the people in the debate to court, please abstain from making such statements. There have been far more personalised arguments than those made by Mr. Munshi here. And for Kiran Bedi, she is already feeling the heat for use of unparlimentary words. The MPs across party lines may take the same lady to court.

Annaji language is also pretty rainbow. They swing from Red to Blue in a matter of hours. Just remember what Jesus, the Christian phrophet had said. Those who liveth by the sword shal die by it. I guess Anna has started realizing that freedom of speech is a two edged sword. It cuts both ways.

Mr. Munshi please use sensible language and stop posting unwanted comments. Your words should be like the sword. It should be few and rare. But should have power whenever it is uttered. Please don't loose your credibility by posting unwanted matters and debate your point in a impersonal and dignified manner.


By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 09 01 2011 04:40:10 +0000
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Dear Munshi,

Really you have the art of twisting not only the facts but also the statement of others. It seems either you do read other's message properly, or do that intentionally.

JUST POINT OUT WHERE DID I SAY "Media is represented by well know lawyers who can drag you to court"? I stated Anna's team, NOT media represented by. THIS CLEARLY PROVES THAT YOU TRY TO TWIST EVEN MY STATEMENT. Had you not been afraid of such lawyers of Anna's team you would not have edited your own statement.

BETTER RE-READ MY STATEMENT, WHICH STATES, "even in Anna's team three of the members are experts in law, like Shanti Bhushan and Prashant Bhushan, who are very senior advocates and Kiran Bedi, as a retired police chief. Any one of them, if come to know, can take you to the court of law for claiming damages for publically insulting them without any slight proof against them.”

If you want replies to your other questions also, just to expose yourself in this public forum, I don’t have any objection to reply those questions. I have replies to all of your questions. BUT in that case, this forum would prove just a fighting arena, NOT a knowledge forum, as I you don't seem to hesitate in making more and more objectionable statements.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 09 01 2011 02:29:04 +0000
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It is surprising that the media does not fill itself with items on corruption anymore. It was nauseating to see how they moved out of scene so abruptly just as Anna broke his fast. Not newsworthy anymore.
By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 08 31 2011 13:28:21 +0000
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Ok Vinoy! Now with your clarification it makes more sense. Mr. Munshi and Dhingraji please refrain from intemperate language.
By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  | 08 31 2011 13:18:57 +0000
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Dear Munshi Ram Chand,

That is fine for you. Keep it up if you are so adament to maintain your views without having any proof about what you say.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 08 31 2011 09:38:56 +0000
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Dear Munshi Ramchand,

In one message you showed the intention to fight with me on my questioning your statement and in the latest message you have stated that you have edited the objectionable sentence to satisfy me. It is not the question of my satisfaction.

Dear, in fact, you have not taken any clue of my sincere advice out of my questioning your statement. I did not have any objection, even if you post even the most objectionable statement, but, it is my elderly advice that you post only fact in your statement, which is known to you and you really have any proof about that, as it is a public forum.

You don't know, even in Anna's team three of the members are experts in law, like Shanti Bhushan and Prashant Bhushan, who are very senior advocates and Kiran Bedi, as a retired police chief. Any one of them, if come to know, can take you to the court of law for claiming damages for publically insulting them without any slight proof against them. Moreover, media can also take a very serious note of that and make hype of that, as you have made allegation against them also.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 08 31 2011 07:48:45 +0000
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Dear Munshi Ram Chand,

 

Why not ask members what is their interpretation of the sentence, as follows, which you used? That clearly indicates your specific judgment & views about Anna's integrity:

"In that process media pushed its TRP and advertisements, ultimately sharing the revenue with Team Anna."

 


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 08 31 2011 02:41:06 +0000
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Dear Munshi,

Please re-read your own statement, where the independent part of which reads as under:

"In that process media pushed its TRP and advertisements, ultimately sharing the revenue with Team Anna."

The sentence is quite independent of the previous sentence to investigate whether media and Anna team were cohorts and also you used the word, "MUST", but has no relation with your second sentence. This clearly suggests that you know that ultimately the media has shared its revenue with the team Anna.

Further, I never said whether the revenue was shared or not. It was your own contention, which only you need to prove in support of your own statement.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 08 31 2011 02:35:10 +0000
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what should i say, it works as both as opening the eyes common man and it sometime may peep into more what is actually required.


By puneet , Manager Admin  | 08 30 2011 16:24:56 +0000
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Dear Munshi Ram Chand,

Do you have any proof that any or all of the  media companies ultimately would have shared the revenue with Team Anna, or you are just spreading rumour like Parliamentarian Manish Tiwari, who ultimately ended with apology in public through media only.

You speak only about what you have evidence in support of your statement.

TRP is something different, as every commercial company tries to enhance its revenue and profitability by one or the other tactic. Particularly, the media tries to gain popularity by taking more and more of the advantage of the crisis like situation, as people like to hear spicy stories..


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 08 30 2011 12:17:12 +0000
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Dear Vinoy,

 

You have contradicted your own arguments by posting one argument in favour of the media and the other against it, both opposite to each other. You should have stuck to your one argument, either in favour or against that.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 08 30 2011 12:04:15 +0000
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Surely mediating as a neutral is better than coming across as biased when reporting news.


By Makesh Sharma, Bio/Pharma Informatics-Associate/Scientist, Micros Labs  | 08 30 2011 11:35:18 +0000
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There is big money in Television today and as we all know, money corrupts.That should say it all.
By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  | 08 30 2011 11:19:05 +0000
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BUT, nobody has come forward so far with the plea under what rules of journalism, the media has to play the role of a mediator by keeping aside their real job as media prefessionals?


I request Mr. Vinoy, the initiator of this thread, to quote any such proof in support of his statement.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 08 29 2011 06:55:15 +0000
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I agree partially. Some of the reporters do not seem to know the basics of Journalist ethics. From yelling in the face to partisan reports. But compared to good old 80's with only Doordarshan to glue upto, we have a much better palette before us.
By Shanti Roshan, Accounts Manager, Aditya Birla Group  | 08 27 2011 14:45:52 +0000
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That is valid argument. Every institution has its job cut for itself in India. This problem of media, Team Anna losing their focus is because of our parliamentarians. They did not even have decent sittings in the house.

Naturally their was a large political vaccum created. Even in television debates and press releases the political partes came across are lazy and non participating.

However the media has to regulate itself or it will face the same credibility crisis that ails the Indian parlimentarians.


By Vinoy Scaria James, Consultant, Travel Hub  | 08 27 2011 06:17:07 +0000
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Dear Vinoy,

Media has already lost its credibility by adding fuel to fire even in trivial matters earlier due to its continued efforts by creating a hill out of a mole almost every time.

BUT, when you have stated, "the journalist carries weight when he presents him in a dignified manner. And dignified journalism is one o f  the pillars of the our nation. It has to be more reasonable and  non-partisan," we must not expect them to unnecessary poke their nose as a self made mediators by shunning their real  role of media.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 08 27 2011 02:58:03 +0000
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