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Created by : Pierre Pienaar, CEO/MD/Director, Xcellence Wealth Creator  | 06 04 2009 07:34:46 +0000
Industry : Investments, trading
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"Even the best trading method is useless if you don't have the discipline to trade it!"

 

* Do you agree with that statement?

 

If you DO agree, keep reading, because you'll like this message...

 

If you DON'T agree, then read this message TWICE because you need to hear this message more than anybody else...

 

* You need to be mentally prepared to handle the potentially historic trading setups that will be appearing in the coming days, weeks, and months...

 

-and if you're NOT prepared mentally, then it will be OTHER traders who will rake in the gains on those trades - not you.

 

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Trade smart, not often,

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You need to be disciplended all the time to trade successful.


By Pierre Pienaar, CEO/MD/Director, Xcellence Wealth Creator  06 04 2009 07:34:46 +0000
 
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i don't agree that you need to be disciplined trader all the time, at some point of time one needs to take that risk to come out really good, if you are subdued all the time by being disciplined and not taking risks, then you can't do well in your investments.......i agree that discipline goes hand in hand with Knowledge and mindset, but don't you think following your instincts and taking random decisions at times gives you more rewards than ever...


By Esha Johar, Risk Analyst, Irevna  06 05 2009 08:32:04 +0000
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the following discipline needs to be followed.

a) inevst and do not speculate.

b)do not do naked trading.that is short of funds or short of shares.i.e going long without funds in hand,and going shot without shares in hand.

c)do not buy in a falling market.

d)refer to the charts and historical price pattern of the share.

e) follow and act on the major news in the company.like losess unexpected,fall in sales,fall in the sales of the sector,out dated product.change in management.

f)do not just keep on analysis and not acting.the analysis is garbage if you do not use your analysis.

g) trade on brake outs.if the days opening is weaker then yesterday generally 9 out of ten times the share would close weak.buy when the share price crosses the brake out major break outs is 20days moving average,50 days moving average,200 day moving averages,weakly break out,daily break out.

h)follow the trend in the industry.

i)never add to the mistake,every investment is a fresh decision and fresh funds.so add on to the new data and trends if your last decision has gone wrong analyse what mistake you have made in the last decision ,why the market is reacting against your idea of investment.go back to the calculation again.

j)do not do excess trading that add to the cost.

k) always calculate the cost of carrying a stock in your portfolio.

l) learn to sell,it is when you sell that counts,most of us are in a habit of buying and hoarding things.

m) do not marry the scrip

n) always hold on to scrips which are performing better and giving you good returns .

o)refer to mazines and website for regular updation of th ecompanies news anlysis,see what big fund are doing about the stock,because a big fund can distroy the value and creat value within short time just by massive investment and selling.

p)price earnig ratios and earning per share can be decptive some times.do not depend on one ratio to analyse the share price.

q) question your self at regular interval and at different price tags whether you should hold on to the share have your target.

s)book on sudden price rises and check on sudden price falls the reasons.

t)do not try to time your trade at the bottom and high.it is not a good practice to expect that you would always be able to buy at the bottom and sell on the high.

u)use charts,graphs,data,fundamental and technical.etc etc

 


By sandesh saboo, Research Associate/Analyst, saboo associates  | 07 06 2009 17:13:07 +0000
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Okay, I never said, no risks, but caluclated risks. The reason for our current financial crisis is because people "throw caution to the wind".


By Pierre Pienaar, CEO/MD/Director, Xcellence Wealth Creator  | 07 06 2009 12:51:55 +0000
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You are Right. A trader is like any other businessman. A business has to be disciplined. If he is not than he is destined to doom. Only a disciplined businessman is going to succeed in the business that he is pursuing.


By Aditya Sharma, Insurance Advisor/Analyst, LIC OF INDIA, ICICI LOMBARD  | 06 12 2009 15:22:16 +0000
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A trader must be disciplined in his trading patterns. One should know his/her risk appetite and trade accordingly as per the risk return requirement. One should keep the basics clear while trading and should be aware about the investments  he is trading in. A good trader knows from experience that over a period of time he may engage in more losing trades than winning ones. But money management,
and a careful assay of the risks protected by realistic stops, will keep the
trader out of trouble and ensure that on the "big" moves, he will profit.

Fro better awareness one must read "The Disciplined Trader" by " Mark Douglas"


By Darshil , CEO/MD/Director, Darshil Cotton Company  | 06 08 2009 09:07:27 +0000
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Discipline is always fruitful..be it any aspect of life..random trading may yield profit and better results but again it is only by chance..but if u take the case of disciplined trading you know before hand what you are doing and what u expect out of it..so I think mindset is clear cut..if things are disciplined...


By Rajani Sharma, Team Leader -(Technical), Collabera  | 06 05 2009 09:46:18 +0000
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Jyoti,

Discipline goes hand-in-hand with knowledge and Mindset.


By Pierre Pienaar, CEO/MD/Director, Xcellence Wealth Creator  | 06 05 2009 06:22:44 +0000
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Yes Pierre you are right here, one needs to be disciplined in their trading, one needs to have back if anything goes wrong in trading, so disciplined trading survives, whereas trading in Adhoc manner don't do good for that  matter, and thanks for sharing the link it had some very good insights....thanks for the debate.....


By Jyoti Rath, Sr. Associate, Barclays  | 06 04 2009 08:01:31 +0000
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Thanks for your comments. I really appreciated it.

 

If you invest, you don’t have any control over your money. Proper trading is not speculation.

 

The biggest problem is fear, because you don’t understand how any trading works effectively. The main aim is to get constant profits over a long period of time. I know, people will say: It’s not possible’. However, if your mindset is like that, you won’t make any profits. Knowledge is Power. No one can boast or guarantee 100? Profits, but you can improve a lot if you’re disciplined and independent. 


By Pierre Pienaar, CEO/MD/Director, Xcellence Wealth Creator  | 07 07 2009 13:00:58 +0000
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When you invest first thing one has to ask oneselves is whether I am going to be an Investor or a Speculator. Once one has decided on that one can go in for strategies. If Speculator one trades often in an year and if an Investor one holds atleast for 11 months and trades only ones an year, otherwise every 2 weeks or even day trading.

Peter Bernstien once asked Warren Buffet how he invests and how long, he replied I never invest to sell meaning he holds on to his investment for a lifetime.

So one should have a clear bearing on what one intents to do, whether one need small profits in short spurts or large profits in the long run.

Modern Finance thanks to Modigliani and Miller one can trade without worrying about capitalisation and others can worry about stability, quality, safety etc;.


By Mathew Cherian, Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University  | 06 05 2009 12:34:32 +0000
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To me, trading will be more successful if backed by knowledge.  Knowledge of market realities, scrips, manipulations, bear tactics, bull strategies, future growth prosects and our own strengths and weaknesses.  If we get knowledge of all these, why do we need discipline?!


By SR Sham Sunder, CEO/MD/Director Technoaid  | 06 05 2009 09:16:37 +0000
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you need to take risk..you need to invest..and you need to be lucky to do the right timing..it is all demand and supply equation since market is based on the theory of demand and supply..so it is all demand and supply of money and invetsment which is very difficult to gauge..yes there a re a few indicators which pointst othe demand and supply thing but this are very vague indicators


By sandesh saboo, Research Associate/Analyst, saboo associates  | 06 05 2009 09:02:50 +0000
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yaa you need to be disciplined..you need to know when our prime mininster would sneez..what would pratiba patil speak in th epresedential address..how would ketan parik case be reacted in th emarket..how would the president obama speak..all reasons accept the growth of th ecompany ,prospect of the company,technical of the companies prices ..it is how the people react to the various news and when the news reach them.


By sandesh saboo, Research Associate/Analyst, saboo associates  | 06 05 2009 08:59:01 +0000
 
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