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Created by : Purvi Ghosh, Marketing analyst, Percept Advertising  | 12 23 2009 11:00:24 +0000
Industry : Radio, TV & FilmsFunctional Area : India(Markets)
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According to a study carried out by Washington-based Pew Research Centre, the highly respected US thinktank, India is next only to Iraq when it comes to social hostility and religious discrimination perpetrated by individuals and groups. The study titled `Global Restrictions on Religion' took into account the situation in as many as 198 countries, India was just below Iraq and well above countries like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan when it came to social hostility in the country. Pakistan is at the third place right below India.

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The study, which claims to cover 99.5% of the world population, deals with restrictions imposed on religion not just by social groups and individuals but also by the government. Even in the case of government induced restrictions, India fares badly with its position in the top 40 countries out of the 198 mentioned. While China has done remarkably well when it comes to social hostility even though it has done badly in the government imposed restrictions section. Vietnam and China, for instance, have high government restrictions on religion but are in the moderate or low range when it comes to social hostilities. Nigeria and Bangladesh has been rated as high in social hostilities but moderate in terms of government actions.

Do you agree with this report?

 
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I agree with it.

Lets smell the coffee!! How many religions in India?? How many languages in India?? How many new states have been formed from integrated states?? What happened in Telangana?? Why do people think of a divide?? It all arises from religiuous differences. Beliefs that spark emotions which in turn sparks anger and that in turn sparks Fanaticism!!

Why does China not feature high on the list?? A simple answer. UNIFORMITY in COMMUNICATION across the COUNTRY! One language, One world!!

I ask everyone present here on toostep: When you travel to a distant place where you have never been before, do you not in your mind hope that you may find someone who belongs to your community just to make your stay and work a little more easy??? If anybody says no here, please understand he / she is lying. It is in Human nature to seek someone from your own land and culture and language.

Good debate Purvi!!


By Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International  12 23 2009 11:09:46 +0000
 
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I completely disagree with the so called research.

1. As mentioned by Makrand, there are so many religions in India. Probably no other country on this earth has this social set up. With this kind of demographics, some disturbances are bound to exist. I would say, with this demographics, India is far far better off than many countries in the world!

2. We Indians should rather take an optimistic and positive approach in debating this. There are innumerable instances where Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Budhists, Parsis, etc live in great harmony. India has probably more number of mosques than some of the islamic countires and more number of churches than many of the western nations. There are mnay instances where people celebrate festivals of other religions.

3. Coming to social hostility, with the number of languages, number of countless cultures, with poor literacy levels we are far better off than many of the developed nations. Native americans themsleves are scared to enter into a locality of Black people, leve about people of other nationalities. Consider violence unleashed against Indian students in Australia, was there any instance of major violence against foreign students?

4. Please recollect what happened during hurrican Katrina in USA. There was absolutely no community work. India goes through such natural calamities every month in some part of the country. Here the community plays a major role than the Government.

5. One important thing is that India does not have any Government restrictions on religion. Such a liberty and with so much diversity, some disturbances are bound to be there.

6. It is unfortunate that Makrand brought about Telangana topic in this debate. Telangana demand is not pertaining to hositility against any other region or religion. Makrand, Telangana probabaly ranks first in the world where Hindus and Muslims live in complete harmony. Not only that, there are at least half a dozen festivals where people of both the communities celebrate together. World does not know that!!! I don't want to go into the genuinity of Telangana demand, but I can say the factor of discrimination does not exist in this issue.

7. China, no doubt, has minimum social hsotilities. it is evident that high government controls are the cause!!! I can say that UK is one country with minimum government controls and minimum social hostilities. To some extent, even USA to has lots of positives in terms of social hostilities (except for racism
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To conclude, I can say, the researcher should reverse their ranking for India!!! 


By SHARATH CHANDAR REDDY, Business Development Manager - Insurance, I T C Ltd  12 23 2009 11:50:14 +0000
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What Makrand refers to (looking for a co-religionist in a far-away place) is natural. That's cultural affinity. That's why so many Indians and Pakistanis get together when they are in the US or Australia. They speak the same language and they watch the same Bollywood films!

Within India we do have a lot of religious discrimination. Not just religious discrimination but more so we have caste-based discrimination and region-based discrimination too. Let's accept that first and then do something about it.


By Azhar Kazmi, Professor, King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals  | 12 24 2009 10:28:08 +0000
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This is most sympathetic and dangerous stage of India. A slight improvement is seen in Kerala due to the early communist ministries. But again the communist ministries became the cause of lack of development in the state.   


By George Varghese, Proprietor, Jecyees  | 12 24 2009 00:48:03 +0000
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Yes this is correct. India is inundated with people and groups who discriminate people based on religion. This is prevalent in Education System, Job Sector and mostly IT sector. Situation in extremist areas are worse than ever. Hindus, Muslims and different sects have formed that tend to oppress people who come belong to other religion. On one hand Hindu Separatist Group like the VHP and Bajrang Dal assault and disturb the proceedings of the Minority peoples religious, on the other hand Muslim separatists like Jamiat ul ulaima and Indian Mujahiddinds, with the help of IRF and Zakir Naik are trying to Islamise India. Even, many Sikh extremist raise the issue of Independent Khalistan on the anniversary of Operation Bluestar every year.


By Manoj Chaturvedi, Assistant Professor, Bangalore university  | 12 23 2009 11:16:34 +0000
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The diversity of Indian culture has been vividly mentioned by Mr. Reddy. I fully support his views.

The only addition I want to make is that, "it is impossible to make a genuine research report of so many diverse nations, if we take a single (uniform) benchmark, on a sensitive topic like discrimination without understanding and accepting the sensitivities of all the nations".

If the research methodology fails to empathize with the cultural structure of India, before designing the survey and the research process, the entire effort of doing such a research will go waste.

There is a difference between an FMCG product market research and the research done on religious discrimination. While for the FMCG product, a researcher can have one framework for the entire industry, he cannot simply do the same for finding something on religious discrimination. 

From what can be seen on the website of Pew Research Center, I can only make out that they have used a uniform research standard, without customizing it for culturally diverse nations as India. 

The end result of such a research would always have outliers for all the countries (like India), where the researchers missed the sensibility of accommodating the sensitivity of the nation. 


By Piyush Jain, Associate Research Manager, IMRB International  | 01 14 2010 17:22:46 +0000
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Here i am quoting the limitations of the survey as reported by the survey itself:

It is important to keep a few caveats in mind when reading this report. First, because freedom
– defined as “the absence of hindrance, restraint, confinement or repression” – is difficult if not
impossible to measure, the Pew Forum’s study instead measures the presence of restrictions
of various kinds. The study tallies publicly reported incidents of religious violence, intolerance,
intimidation and discrimination by governments and private actors. That is, it focuses on the
problems in each country. It does not capture the other side of the coin: the amount of religious
dynamism, diversity and expression in each country. The indexes of government restrictions and
social hostilities are intended to measure obstacles to the practice of religion. But they are only
part of a bigger picture.


If it does not capture the dynamism, diversity and expression in each country, then how can the survey be complete and balanced. Yes agreed that it is difficult to count in those characteristics but then without them survey loses its credibility. If defining 'Freedom' is not impossible and accounting for dynamism, diversity and expression shouldn't be impossible too.

Finally, it is true that there are restrictions here in India but if someone wants to rank the country, its definitely not the 2nd position.


By Ajit Hottaplar Manjappa, Design Engineer, Infosys  | 01 07 2010 14:39:57 +0000
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This report is completely fake.Thanks for bringing this fraud to light.


By Arunangshu Choudhury, Agent, L.I.C  | 12 25 2009 15:18:54 +0000
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This is absolutely ridiculous. there is a general opinion that what US says is right. The problem lies where we Indians think that all things of Indian origin are not good and we always listen to western opinions. Even in the matter of cola only when BBC Report came the issue was raised in parliament.Till then all protest of the locals were ignored.

India is a country having a civilized culture which we always forget and lauds the western culture.

The oldest democracy is yet to have a woman President. They elect president based on their religion. After 300 years they got their first black president. India had a woman prime minister within 25 years of independence. now a woman president. The third president of India was Dr. Zakir hussian. And the real thing is that we dont elect people based on their religion but on thier skills and expertise.

So the fact speaks for itself. and regarding religious freedom in Middle east, and china we all know very well what's happening. I lived in Middle east for quite some time.I know the freedom they gave to other religions especially saudi arabia. even the work permits are issued in different colours based on religion. We cannot preach our religion there. 

 

India is a holy land where personal freedom, right to life and expression  is granted to the people by the Constitution. Since we enjoy it without and hindrance we forget the value of it and always think that the other side is greener.

we have fundamental rights but there 's no fundamental duties imposed upon us.

Here there is no religious discrimination among people. the politicians may use it for political gains and the media may use it for increasing their  viewer ratings.

I Cant agree with any reports saying that India is following religious discrimination whether it is done by USA or UN.


By pramod.p.k , ops, Property  | 12 25 2009 08:27:37 +0000
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I don't agree with this Report.

The fundamental difference between India and other many multi-religious societies is that, others are multi-religious mainly because of emmigrants, whereas we are multi-religious because many of us embraced faiths originated from different parts of the world.

Various religious communities in other societies have problems in adjusting with each other because not only the faith but also the culture, food, clothing, many times language too, etc. are different.

In India, the faith may be different, but other aspects of culture are not so much different to be called alien. We identify with each other and understand each other because we basically belong to the same roots.

As regards, to the ranking, then let our western friends do some self-introspection and find out why they feel threathened even to allow construction of minarettes in their cities. Or for that matter when they see some one wearing a turban or a hijab.

We do have our share of problems like riots. But they are engineered by selfish politicians. Our weakness is that we fall prey to it. We fall prey to it because we dont understand our own religions fully, even after being with one religion or another over the past 5000 yrs.

Excellent leaders like Nehru, Shastri understood this weakness of ours and kept us away from our differences and engrossed us in nation building. This resulted in the growth which we are witnessing today.


After being so much experienced in religion we should be mature enough to dump the western definitions of secularism, i.e. "Tolerating all religions." Also, to be secular we dont need to make a coctail of 3-4 religions and follow. A much better definiton of Secularism would be,

"Respecting the right of other individuals, to follow or not follow any religion of their choice." Dont go to the extent of identifying which religion is being followd by others, one should just respect their right to choose to follow any(or not follow - aetheist).

Just want to mention here, some of our friend took the name of Dr. Zakir Naik as the bad guy. I dont agree, our constitution allows propagating one's religion as long as it is not by force (or some reward like job, money etc.). Infact he talks about similarities between religions. Whats wrong in that?


By Asif Shaikh, Business Consultant, e-Emphasys Infotech  | 12 24 2009 11:42:55 +0000
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Where does USA stands in this matter post-9/11. wud they do a independent, objective analysis on that? they hv managed to make countries  to b'live .. all in the name of security and terrorism.

But we Indians also need to realize that, we are becoming less and less accommodating towards each other. We have to make an conscious effort not do so.. we hv got pluralism is legacy, let’s treasure it.

Just imagine, India having one language, only one culture!! How boring!


By Priya Varadan, Independent consultant, Self employed  | 12 24 2009 06:18:10 +0000
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why do americans tend to highlight india someway or the other ,they should instead debate upon discrimination against womens in there country (where womens are treated as nothing more then commodities),the ghetto culture(which some indians are not even aware of)its indeed interesting to see how people far off from the real secnerio reached at such conclusion .why they try to bring india down by showering accolades on books or movies (can't mention specifically, so pls try to decipher)that showcase poor and underprivilaged side of indian society ,or ridicule (b'coz they are jealous) the developments happened in IT sector in india .THING TO REMEMBER  is that its only our country that still allows any separtist group to practice there religious faith ,where the people chose the party with development plans(which are still in pipeline ,unfortunately) rather than those who kept drumming there "hindutva " agenda .and if one has to see the unity then they should look at the armed forces where "nation" is faith prevails in hearts .


By kawaljit kaur, pgdbm student , Mount Carmel Institute of Management  | 12 23 2009 17:06:55 +0000
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I think we should strongly oppose such reports.

Instead of poking their nose inour matters, such 'think tanks' should sit & think about the discrimination with native/ Asian/African/ Latin Americans etc in their own land. (pls refer racism in Us)

Rather, we should be proud to live in a country, exemplary for the world for accommodating & nurturing different cultures/religion/ languages/ethnicities as one nation whereas it took more than 2 centuries for them to have a black president.


By ujjval jain, Retail, Retail  | 12 23 2009 12:16:05 +0000
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Indian values have for centuries shown respect and high regard for people of all religions and faiths. There might be a few religious fanatics here and there. But overall, Indians have always accommodated and lived harmoniously with people from all faiths and beliefs. In India, everybody is free to practice his/ her own religion. All religions can have their own places of worship without any restrictions or threat. There are equal opportunities for growth and upliftment to all, regardless of their religious affiliations. Americans have no problems with Arab Sheikhs who have never shown any respect or tolerance to other religions. They will bow and scrape in front of the Arabs and ignore their excesses on minorities and women in the name of religion, because of their oil. Americans have no moral or other right to preach to Indians about religious freedom and human rights.


By Purvi Ghosh, Marketing analyst, Percept Advertising  | 12 23 2009 11:07:42 +0000
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