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Created by : Rashbehari Chatterjee, Construction Manager- Civil & Structural  | 01 30 2010 07:03:28 +0000
Industry : ConstructionFunctional Area : Project Management(Technology)
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With Same work & same facilities payment is very less, in fact 50% less in India in comparison to work in Overseas. This should not happen.

 
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As we are giving same knowledge,same time,same work with same facilities payment should be same wherever we are working either in India or in Overseas.


By Rashbehari Chatterjee, Construction Manager- Civil & Structural  01 30 2010 07:03:28 +0000
 
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Payments in India need not be the same as the payment in USA, Europe, Japan or Australia. The payment structure should be such that it should cover a compfortable cost of living plus a better savings savings potential while working overseas compared with that in India, home travel costs at least twice in a year to home country, allowaance for working extra hours, allowance for working outside home country etc. This would encourage more Indians to go oversease. The result would be They bring more foreign exchange back home, learn to be desciplined and follow rules and regulations, learn to protect the environment and also teach foreigners our culture, art, traditions and help strengthen universal brotherhood. More money is of course the first attraction. We need to reduce the population density from the present 349/sq km (based on land mass) to at least that of chinese (139/sq km) of not equal to that of Us (31/Sq km). Sending surplus man power to other countries is one way of reducing population density. If more money drags some people overseas nothing wrong in it. Of course money is not every thing but then if people think going outside the country for the sake of money is wrong then what people remaining back in India is doing? Lets ask ourselves this question. Reduce population density, make this country worthy of living, then talk against people going out for the sake of money. India is getting work not just because we are able to deliver the goods in time and of quality but also because we are cheaper. If our salries are on Par with USA then why USA will give out jobs, they will do it themselves. Its market.

People who have lived abroad particularly in those countries where population density is very low would know the importance of reducing our population. In India once you have more money you tend to spend it in unproductive ways like parties & functions, relegious festivals rather than in productive ways  like creating productive assets or for changing life styles.


By K LAXMINARAYANA RAO, Freelancer  02 02 2010 12:20:08 +0000
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In my opinion, the location should not matter as long as your work is getting done for the desired outcome of any company.
By Nishant D Shah, Management trainee, Videocon Inds  | 12 07 2010 14:25:11 +0000
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One thing I want to clarify to all who is not supporting this argument & please make sure to comment on this again. Please follow the clarrification -

Same facility means free of full furnished seperate single/family AC Accomodation along with free Laundry expences & free Food which are the basic requirements & factors directly impacted cost of living irrespective of any locations whether it is in India or Abroad. So, here cost of living is not coming into the picture.

Same work means same working hours & same responsibilities.

Which is different is only salary in hand at the end of the month.


By Rashbehari Chatterjee, Construction Manager- Civil & Structural  | 02 03 2010 06:31:41 +0000
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I agree that salaries and facilities given in abroad countries are much more higher and due to this people are attracted to the jobs abroad over indian jobs.Inspite of the fact that in other countries tax is more youth's are prefering to work in MNC's or companies abroad because they get great environment,  knowledge ,good aminities (like transportataion) good life style etc.

 


By yogeeta umesh datir, Environment Officer, GOPALAN ENTERPRISES  | 02 03 2010 05:29:19 +0000
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I will support Rashbehari & I just want you guys to see from another dynamics....

I see many comments on cost of living and I would say these are part of the logic processes that are used to draw wool over your eyes. After all Cost of living is associated in the long run with standard of living which in turn is related to the salaries earned. One just needs to live in a cosmopolitan city outside India where all nationalities merge (in a reasonably large numbers) and you will still find a notable difference in salaries for the same job. In fact it can be quite stark. Indians, in fact all Asians should seek to bring parity of salaries for the same jobs done by any other person in the developed world, without which this divide will always remain.

And still we say we live in times of the - Global Village.


By Jayesh Jain, Software Developer, MS IT  | 02 02 2010 14:15:45 +0000
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I agree with Mr. Shrikant. Moreover the living expense is different. The payment system is based on the outcome of the employees.THE COMPANIES ARE READY TO pay higher salaries, becuse the outcome is high.
By Kenny Joseph Jose, Procurement Manager, Greelux Trading & Contracting  | 12 07 2010 18:36:26 +0000
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No, because your working style & behavior is totally different from overseas when you are working in India.
By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Zonal Manager / Sr. Project Manager ( Civil Engineering), Kumar Properties  | 12 07 2010 14:07:13 +0000
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Yah Kriti i support your view


By Manish Grover, Account Manager , Impressico Business Solutions Pvt Ltd  | 02 03 2010 10:21:33 +0000
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I fully agree with K.Narayan's argument/comment. It is true that foreign consultants are paid more even in my country than a local. I have the experience where  the Procurement Specialist on a project that I also currently with were denied a salary increase all because a World Bank consultant felt that his salary was too high as compare with their range. (Our PEU had recommended the increase) Unfortunately myself and him are on the same level and even though mine was not rejected according to our policy I was also denied the increase. We were later given the increase according to the government which we found very funny considering we were contracted employees.

This brings me to the point that even foreign organisations keep abreast of the salary range in your country and fixed your remuneration package according to that.


By Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit  | 02 02 2010 20:37:18 +0000
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Yes I totally agreed with mr. narayan's argument as am working in dubai I knew this in my company i saw things like this recently in my company one post is vacant for manger they conducted interviews in that 3 indians came there to attend the interview and two from britan finally company shortlisted two indians and one britan people while the britan people asked to pay 3lacs inr per month to my surprise as a basic salary when it comes to indian he asked just 1lac per month but the company choosen britan person still am in a dynama that what chemistry is there between an indian and english people?


By Ramu.Karri , Logistics Executive, Alshirawi group of companies Dubai  | 02 02 2010 17:44:10 +0000
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Dear Jayesh ,

I think there are two different aspects of the debate. One aspect of the debate can be whether an Indian should be paid the same amount of money for a job done , irrespective of whether he did the job as an Indian staying and working in the US / UK / any foreign country , or as an Indian staying and working in India.

You have brought out another facet of the debate ; in a foreign country , if there are Asians and westerners working together , all of them should be paid the same , if they are doing the same job.

Let us consider a neutral venue , like Dubai. This is just for an example , but the same story is repeated in several other countries. It is a fact that if a Briton or an American does a particular kind of job in Dubai , he / she will be paid much more than if an Indian were to do the same job.

This will stop only if Indians refuse to take up jobs where they will be paid less than their western counterparts. Do you think this is going to happen ?

As far as I am concerned , if I know that I am ultimately going to settle down in India , then I will be willing to settle for a lower payment because I know that even if I am paid less than a westerner , I am still earning more than I would earn , if I had stayed in India.

On the other hand , if I am going to migrate to a western country , I may initially accept a lower salary , knowing that if I can prove my calibre , in the long term , I will be able to command my own price. I don't think we can generalize in this. It is each person for himself / herself.

If you do take a hard stance , and put your foot down for equal payment for identical jobs , then you may win , or you may not get a job. Are you willing to take the risk ?

 


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 02 02 2010 16:15:34 +0000
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The salary payment depend upon three important factors:-

  • Demand and supply of local workforce
  • Cost of living
  • Education level of the local workforce
  • The economic development, per capita income and government support for the industries.

Apropos to the above, supply of local workforce in most of middle east countries is very low when compared with India and all other factors are also different.

The salary can never be the same.


By NAGARAJAN B, Freelancer, Freelancer  | 02 02 2010 14:33:46 +0000
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In support to the argument that the salary getting by the BPO employee in overseas is 4-9 times more than the employee in India.


By sunkara rajesh kumar, Marketing & Communications, ABC Sports  | 02 02 2010 09:17:24 +0000
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It is not possible to payment of working in overseas should be same because differance in currency rate for example one dollar is equal to around 45 or 46 RS. so standard of living in country like US is more or high than country like India. and also if you earn money in US and spend all your earnings in  US than you can't able to make saving from it but if you earn in US and spend or invest in India than it is more.

E.g. if you earn $ 5 and spend it in US your currency value is same so you are not able to save your earnings But if you earn in US than converted it in Indian Re. than the differance between value of currency of two country will you enjoy.

End of session, in concluding part i just want to say payment of working in overseas is same but the value of currency of two country is different so it is happen.


By Bhavesh Gupta, Direct Marketing Executive  | 02 02 2010 01:56:31 +0000
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I agree with this. One more point mostly the pay is miniumum 50% less than what is paid to the locals in case of the NRIs.


By Thirumalai Ananthanpillai Chellappa, Finance/Budgeting Manager, United Contracting for EMAC wll  | 02 01 2010 21:13:24 +0000
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As a South African, who has worked overseas, I realise that remuneration should be linked to the cost of living. Given the high cost of accomodation in say Dubai or London, one would be follish to move at a smilar salary from one's home country. Given the differences in the cost of education and childcare for one's children, one has to make sure that you can still give your children what you would have in your home country. Then there is also waether, distance from home, disease and oher socio-political factors that one would have to be compensated for when working in places like Siberia or Central Africa.

 I have always advocted a standard basic salary for a job grading regardless of location within multinationals but supplemented by market allowances to equalise take home pay in terms of local cost of living and compensate for location as well as a perfromance component in cash or share options to attract and retain good staff


By Gary s Vermaak, Director  | 02 01 2010 19:11:19 +0000
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Good question John...but untill and unless you are forcefully designated to a country with lower cost of living then why anyone would like to go over there because everyone want comfort and satisfaction while working efficiently,which comes not only by same working conditions...it is just like u are sending someone in a room with cooler from a room with air conditioner and are expecting same work, on the contrary reverse is possible...so i think if u are sending somebody to a lower cost country than your native country then again u have to give some compensation package so that he/she think before denying the offer....


By GAURAV JAIN, B.Tech/B.E. student, Malviya National Institute Of Technology, Jaipur  | 02 01 2010 18:00:46 +0000
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I support the comments on this side of the debate.It is obvious that salaries paid to employees has to be determined by several factors including cost of living.

On a lighter note, if the payment system should be the same in your country as overseas then nobody will leave their country to seek a better life abroad.


By Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit  | 02 01 2010 15:09:18 +0000
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I fully agree with Mr. Balla. I would also to say that this is one of the main reasons for outsourcing. If the labour cost were the same all over the world , who would outsource software jobs ?

The more basic argument is that of the cost of living. When we say Mumbai is expensive when compared to a second tier town like say Madurai , it follows that a person working in Mumbai should be paid higher than a person doing comparable work in Madurai. Otherwise a company would not outsource any work from Mumbai to Madurai. Conversely , if a company paid a person in Mumbai the same amount that it would pay a person in Madurai , it would not get anyone to work for it in Mumbai !

Though it is true that payment for work is dependent on the nature of work , that is just one component out of many. Others are the cost of living , payment made by one's competitors. Every company wants to attract the best talent , for which it may be willing to pay more. So if one company in an industry sector starts paying more , talented manpower will start flocking to it , till other companies in the same industry sector follow suit. Which is why in the software sector , there won't be a great disparity between payments made by TCS , Wipro or Infosys. Cash payments may differ , but overall cost to company will not differ by much.


By K. NARAYAN, None, None  | 02 01 2010 14:47:54 +0000
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As already noted salary levels are globally not related solely to competence or capability but relate considerably to local cost of living.

Alternatly if you moved to a country with a lower cost of living than India would YOU accept a lower rate of salary


By John Riley, Freelancer, Freelancer  | 02 01 2010 14:41:12 +0000
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I dont think payment should be same because that is correct that u r providing same working conditions in office but what about basic needs that a particular have outside office? we can take an example of US$ which have its ruppee value approx 42rs and in India we r getting suppose 3lac per annum so in US$ it is just 8000$ approx then hw a particular will survive with this amount....and if someone is not happy outside office then obviously his/her efficiency will reduce and ultimately company will suffer....


By GAURAV JAIN, B.Tech/B.E. student, Malviya National Institute Of Technology, Jaipur  | 02 01 2010 14:36:56 +0000
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I don't think that pay should be same all over the world. There are differences in the payment according to the laws regarding the payments and the difference in currency rates and the labour available in different countries.


By Kriti Das, HR Manager, ANZ Information Technology  | 02 01 2010 14:10:42 +0000
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Generally, the pay is directly proportional to the cost of living. In india, the cost of living is generally low, particularly house rent and transportation. For an NRI, the savings in the coutry of residence may not be much when compared to local standards, but when converted them to Rupees, it is more as per indian standards. I think that is the major factor dragging Indians to work abroad


By Murali K Balla, Technical Support Manager Atkins  | 02 01 2010 12:45:22 +0000
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I don't think that the payment system can be same in all countries. The payments in all countries are made accoring to their laws and systems. So there will be difference in payments for the same job in different countries.


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