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Created by : P.Aftab Ahamed, Engineer, KPIT Cummins Infosystems Ltd  | 03 07 2009 20:28:48 +0000
Industry : AutomobileFunctional Area : R&D(Operations)
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Why Indian Automotive Manufacturers lag in Powertrain design??? Why is it that always some technical collaboration is made for refinement of Engines and transmissions???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Lack of resources & incompetency Vs Manufacturers dont want to invest on Engine technology
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Our focus in the powertrain design has remained static for decades but is poised for change. The emergence of hybrid vehicles, electric vehicles, fuel cells, E85 (85 percent ethanol) fuels and sophisticated diesel engines will force indian automotive manufacturers to develop electronic systems that are equal to the task of powertrain control.


By Kailash Sharma, Product Development Manager, Force Motors  03 24 2009 10:54:55 +0000
 
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I agree to certian portion, i would like to keep systems of powertrain and the electronic cars, hybrid,electric cars market a different approach. In manufacturing the last 2 years I have seen robotics lines of machining cells in Indian auto industry. As the volume and variants increases and product life cycle becomes shorter, every line would naturally turn into powertrain and could be controlled centrally and lot of PLM,RFID's etc., would be used.India should improve the infrastructure and impose safety regulations.the money power is already giving impact and India could be the only country to market compact cars if power train and systems are implemented.


By Venkatramani , Head/VP/GM-Sales Makino China Co., Ltd  03 29 2009 07:37:47 +0000
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I partly agree with Mr.Kameswara Rao's argument, its cheaper to buy technology. That does not however change the equation in product cost analysis. I dont like to agree or compromise , on the fact that , we get outdated technology still for a price. Whom are we providing service with , for the company or the customer?

Outdated technology leads to pompous ness for a blink of time ranging to months and 1year, but imagine one day, XY company starts selling high end latest technology small cars at price better or equal to now available ones in Indian market , when the rules needs to be strictly followed about emmissions and safety standards -> every body shall again show fingers at the Indian technology branch. TATA has setup dealer ship branches in Switzerland and germany and so on.. but what happens in countries like the customer slowly gets to pay more tax on TÜV quality condition tests done every certain amount of time....slowly our cars loose name and fame , and standout with a badge of undurable technology.

We should realise the need of R & D and self development , TOYOTA could not be what it is today if not for its technical grwoth by itself.

Coming to the first statement again .. we have brilliant brains ......  , then R & D costs will also be low.. .i see a very positive sign and therefore , one should go for it ... no matter how many hurdles we may face .. initially ....

Imagine todays wipro computers in terms of laptop and their quality with their price, thats the right path in my opinion....

We need to grow , and growth is fighting the hurdles and hardships... else , we will stay there where we are until one wave comes to wash our brains , do we need that ? when not then we definitely need to take R & D seriously.

 


By malikireddy , Controls systems Team Manager., VESTAS Wind Systems A/S.  | 03 26 2009 14:03:38 +0000
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I agree with Mr. Kailash that powertrain design has been static for years , for this regard , my simple answer is lack of Capable Human Resources in this field. If you look at any patents website, you can hardly find a handful of patents awarded to Indians or Innovators in India,  the reason is lack of resources where people can combine , Mechanical , Control systems and Computational Analysis skills.

Such process oriented growth is only possible by big Automotive giants like TATA, Mahindra , Maruti.  More so in my personal opinion i have been in this field of Automotive Electronic systems design. Believe me its not a Godly knowledge, i have worked for Biggest names in design analysis and system level. It is more a trial and error , and not repeating the error ----> Infact  we all know , thats what a control system does with a right controller.

So in short, yes its doable and great idea to start towards fully 'INDI' genious that we should do our own products rather than collabrations , one day protectionism will again take over like in software industry today in America, I wish if we take lessons learnt from SW colleagues , and start our work towards MADE IN INDIA.

Well thought Mr.Kailash, but nonetheless buying Technical companies and copying the technology developed for smooth and never crumbling roads or only for Bumpy roads ( Jaguar or landrover ) does not fit in India. Because undoubtedly most roads in India today are a combination of both. I guess we all as automotive guys know, that what effects a vehicle can have due to change in road structure. High frequency -> low frequency sine curve in any wheel,  engine , gearbox adaptation can give never thought behaviour of systems. So we need to make MADE IN INDIA products for durability and agility of economy and Pride.

 


By malikireddy , Controls systems Team Manager., VESTAS Wind Systems A/S.  | 03 24 2009 15:01:36 +0000
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I agree with Kailash and Aftab, how ever powertrain/electronic systems design is to increase the overall performance of the vehicle while providing technologies that improve fuel efficiency  


By Mohammed Sadique, Project Manager - PMP- TOYOTA Application Support (AS/400 Tech), Abdul Lateef Jameel -TOYOTA  | 03 24 2009 11:45:03 +0000
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I think its Lack of resources because not many people in India work on Engine design & development.


By P.Aftab Ahamed, Engineer, KPIT Cummins Infosystems Ltd  | 03 07 2009 20:28:48 +0000
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Power train technologies are not only for improving overall effeciency and fuel consumption optimization , but also for safety( ESP, ABS, ACC) , comfort ( transmissions, chasis control ), drivability( slip control , steering control ) , emissions ( EGR -> exhaust gas recirculation ) and importantly the life of the whole drive trains ( Engine, gearbox ) as they are designed to reduce the mechanical load effects, which for example with conventional gear engage and disengage actions can lead to a faster slip in clutch ( Due to different driving styles ) there, the rate of release of clutch and other things, are taken care of to avoid the jerk ,and calibrated on end of line in productions. This can be for injectors. How can one imagine with productions errors , the injector designed will inject the same amount of fuel it is planned to ??? even if piezo electric material is used for the opening and close of the injector valve ? so going like this into technology with a flair of creation of best , PASSIVE ( which the clients silently expect, but never speak out ,may be ignorance or just reservedness) requirements for client , we win their confidence , their trust in the overall vehicle , and confidence on the capability of vehicle.

Its enough to just think about a vehicle so easily :

1. vehicle should have the three factors what can fulfill every class of customer:

1. Looks , reliability  and chance for customer to justify his choice.

Only these three things sells... take a break and think about it..

regards

Krishan


By malikireddy , Controls systems Team Manager., VESTAS Wind Systems A/S.  | 03 26 2009 14:21:16 +0000
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We have brilliant brains and resources and infrastructure, and if need be, now mfrs. are now capable in providing them.

But, we must agree that even before we start penning a design, it is avbl. in some part of the globe.

Also, we must realize that we tend to compromise in time, time taken for testing, quality and patience to complete the project successfully.

That is why mfrs. are sorting in buying the tech./out dated(Cheaper) tech. from others and developing them. Ex. M&M hawk's eagle 2200cc engine.

 


By Tata V.S. Kameswara Rao, Proprietor, Deals-on-Wheels  | 03 26 2009 13:27:17 +0000
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