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Created by : Yash Singh, Coresspondent, Star  | 09 15 2009 06:40:44 +0000
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Veteran Tamil Actor Manorama says that the marriage couples should be made to take potency tests before getting married.     

She said that there should be a certification that he is potent and he doesn't have HIV. In case of women it should be like whether she is a woman and she's fertile and does not have AIDS. And if the doctor gives a fake certificate, then he should be jailed.

Manorama is planning to put up a trust to campaign for a law on these proposals. Doctors and rights activists welcome the initiative but are warning that the legislation is not the way out.  So guys what are your views on this, should there be law against this issue. Would like to know what others think on this.

 
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According to me it is good to know the facts before getting married and these days couples they themselves opt for such tests, just to make sure there is no problem in future, but on the whole where in rural india where people don't opt for these tests, as they feel its unnecessary and then later repent, but i don't know how law will be able to help in this cause and many a times if the person is homosexual it will be very difficult to determine these things from tests, untill the person confesses himself it will be difficult to know the facts and if there is law then people will want to know whether they are virgin or not and then all the fiasco with it...so i don't see law coming here, but people should volunteer themselves to these tests before getting married.  what do you think guys.....


By Yash Singh, Coresspondent, Star  09 15 2009 06:55:27 +0000
 
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@Sandesh I think you are on the wrong side of the debate.

@Makrand, the debate is not one sided.

@ Charles, if you read the original article you would not criticise the film personalities. I read the original article and my understanding for Manorama wanting this law to be implemented was due to the problem of some one discovering being married to an impotent person and I quote “Impotency, in most cases, comes to light only after a couple are married, said Manorama who was moved by the plight of a young girl who a few weeks ago sought Rs 1 crore as compensation from her husband who was allegedly impotent, but had been married off despite his parents knowledge of his condition. She has filed a police complaint against the man. More recently, a close family member underwent a similar fate, and after discussing with fans, friends and family I learnt that impotency is a major factor in today's life, said the actor who has shared the screen with MGR, Sivaji Ganesan and Jayalalithaa among others.”

 From all indications, this law will be meant only for India. It is true that couples in the majority of marriages would want to know that their partner is potent and they can have children. My question is what happens if one of the partners failed to function during the course of the marriage, for example, the man becomes impotent because of a mishap or the women develop complications?

 Is marriage all about sex and children?

Can a doctor determine if a woman or man is fertile/potent?. I know of cases where both parties were told that nothing is wrong with their fertility and to date they still have not been able to have children.

HIV/AIDS test should be encouraged to be carried out by both partners to ensure that neither is infected since this could prove to be detrimental in the long run or maybe short run.

In the western world, sex before marriage happens and couples get married after having children. Will this ever happen in India with their cultural morals and values?

 


By Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit  09 18 2009 17:15:09 +0000
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No harm in making this mandatory if the majority would like to have it. But I am not sure if this will succeed as our culture is one of envy, deceit, laziness and muscle power. So, it is the core culture that has to change.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 08 02 2011 06:00:43 +0000
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There's nothing wrong with being sterile. You can adopt, why keep your wife's party in the dark? And make the whole country suffer??
By neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp  | 08 02 2011 02:19:37 +0000
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Yes, most men, just cheat to hide their weaknesses and do everything in a maze and confusion to hide their true natures.
By neha singh, Content Editor, Avestia Corp  | 08 02 2011 01:39:03 +0000
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To avoid infertility , cheating , no cohabitation allegations also to avoid cheating allegations of having affected due to AIDS it should be made compulsory to have preventive checks ups, then comes doctors whose tests should be virgin.

 


By Rajesh Tekale, Counsel, Advocate on Record , High Court, Mumbai  | 08 01 2011 19:33:27 +0000
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Potency? Rather I'd be in favor of a comprehensive medical examination of both persons going to be married that could test for life-threatening diseases like AIDS and cancer as well as sexually-transmittable diseases. 


By Azhar Kazmi, Professor, King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals  | 01 15 2010 12:10:27 +0000
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Even when I first read about it, it created only a favorable impression in my mind. Though the medical certificates can also go wrong, that would be only exception, not the rule. Even now at the proposal stage these doubts do bother both sides. If there is a legal framework, it would become a regular process. Prevention is better than cure. Both sides should appreciate that the whole exercise is for common good and cooperate. This may not solve all the problems but I am sure it would certainly be helpful, once the people accept it as a matter of routine.


By Kumbakonam S Venkataraman, Associate Editor, Dynamic Youth online magazine  | 10 25 2009 05:55:53 +0000
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whats wrong in it, it is good for both, those who are able and others, to know facts is no sin...


By Nagpal Singh, Sales and Business Development, Babel Group of companies  | 10 25 2009 04:59:01 +0000
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Hello Devi Madam,

Is marriage all about sex and children?

Yes, this is the main reason why couples culminate their lives in divorce. Then why should he/she ask compensation if he or she knows that the marriage is not all about sex and children. To be honest here everything is happening sex before marriage, after marriage even secret love all bull shits everywhere.

Few countries have adapted only few elements from western country where STD's are more and growing drastically and human race started to diminish


By Raju Ramalingam, Business Analyst, Rhytha Web Solutions  | 10 21 2009 17:41:20 +0000
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WHY NOT..........???


By Yogendra Singh Chauhan, Civil Engineer-Highway Roadway, AECOM  | 10 20 2009 09:32:55 +0000
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Yes its necessary. One should know about himself/herself.


By indyacentral , Freelancer, Freelancer  | 10 02 2009 16:27:31 +0000
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There is lot of discussion going on whether there should be Potency test before marriage.

  I agree that there should be Potency test before marriage.

 I also feel that there should be Psychological test for both the partners before marriage. Some girls are very desperate to get married because of their past misdemeanor. They think, once marriage takes place she can continue doing the things that she used to do before marriage. They bring hell down for their husband because they know the law is more women pro. Because of aggressive behavior or nagging of female spouse in the bed room, there is possibility of male loosing his erection and interest in sex.

 Whatever is said above applies to male partner as well. But male is more vulnerable, because he is the performer. He has to get erection, retain it for long time enough to bring pleasure to the woman partner.

 Psychological test and Gynecological test before marriage will ensure that all things are in right place.

 There is no problem in having sex before marriage. But once marriage takes place, both the partners should be committed to each other and raise a beautiful family. Kids are gods. They bring so much happiness to the family, which, no amount of money can bring.

 Sex brings pleasure; this is nature’s wonderful gift for animals. If there is no pleaser no body, in this material world, would have gone for sex. This is how world groves.

Even though it knows there is risk for its life, male spider does not stop having sex with female spider. We should throw more light on this. Most of the male animals need to fight with the competitors, to have sex with female. This is how world groves stronger.

 But what about human being, can any body answer? Is he also animal? What about physically not so strong intellectuals?

I heard that, as per "the Kama Sutra", there are four types of women in the world. I also heard that the book explains who should get married to what type of woman. Can any body put more light on this?


By Uday Kundargi, ENGINEERING CONSULTANT - HYDROCARBONS  | 09 26 2009 13:19:22 +0000
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Yeah manoramha has point here ! no matter what wrong with groom it is the bride which is to blame in our country. this will change that.But again it remains to be seen As we all know India has one of the best laws in the world but implementation of them is all to gather a another ball game


By R.SANJAY GREGORY WILLIAMS, HR-Admin MNager, CItrisys solutions  | 09 23 2009 06:45:48 +0000
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absolutely right


By Amulya Kumar Mishra, Head/VP/GM-General Insurance, FrostFalcon Distilleries Ltd.  | 09 21 2009 13:59:25 +0000
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I agree with the author's point of view but there should not be any kind of fertility test .... As because the base of marriage should not be set up on the basis of fertility test...


By Kaushik Das, Asst. Teacher, Nilnalini Bidya Mandir  | 09 20 2009 15:05:44 +0000
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'PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE' Yes definitely there should be law for "BODY SCANE" before getting marriage so that one can live smooth & healthy life. Now young couple are becoming aware regarding these types of diseases & they go for test of their body before getting marriage. It is only way to prevent the disease like HIV. Govt is taking initiatives by advertising regarding the same in public to prevent it. But Govt itself cant prevent it, we should help them in these types of campaign by testing of body of him/herself & his/her partner's. 


By prakashraj kumavat, MBA/PGDM student, Omegan School of Business (ICFAI Tripura)  | 09 20 2009 13:49:26 +0000
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This may reduce divorce cases....


By Shamal S Sukoor, B.Com student, IGNOU University  | 09 20 2009 06:05:20 +0000
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ENACT A LAW :: INSERT IN THE MARRIAGE LAW/CONSTITUTION :: IMPLEMENT IT IF WE CAN


By Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu  | 09 18 2009 08:08:41 +0000
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It is right to go on such type, as  the family matters shall be resolved well in advance, so as to say that there shall be no evidence for the couple to prove that any more in the court of law

 


By B.Senthilkumar , Advocate&Tax Consultant  | 09 18 2009 07:57:54 +0000
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Neatly done Yash!! I would have suggested this to be posted in a Q&A rather than a debate. Nobody in their right senses would even look at the other side!! Thanks for the referral! :)


By Makrand Bhave, AGM - Corporate Business, E18, part of Network 18 Group  | 09 18 2009 04:30:51 +0000
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Awesome topic and it is very important right now and how to set this up as an rule right away? Cos this would helps us to move off from HIV/AIDS and also from divorces which is happening drastically these days. This will break the chains of astro stupidity and other useless rituals.


By Raju Ramalingam, Business Analyst, Rhytha Web Solutions  | 09 15 2009 15:50:27 +0000
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Unquestionably, its a wanted change, desperately needed and I better not waste a single minute to fully second our veteran Manorma, for a great thought, in deed!!

Anything which brings in certainty, belief and also can stamp out ignorance or a deliberate fraud MUST be accepted acknowledged with open arms, by all.

Fine job done Yash Singh.


By Devendra , Lawyer/Attorney, Advocate  | 09 15 2009 14:45:13 +0000
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This is a good start according to me, and it will help couples who will be going for arranged marriages and the person might not tell the truth to avoid embarrassment and this will create problems in future, by default this should come from the couples who are getting arranged marriage, as sandesh has said it will not be making that difference as people who know a person for a very long time will be knowing what he or she is. so this will help in huge way to stop building relations on false terms and will help the spread of HIV, i firmly believe that because people didn't go for these tests earlier is the cause of its spread the way it is now, with this kind of mutual understanding it will help the cause, and from the law point why not, when we have leagalized homosexuality, why not make these tests compulosory.


By Aarti Gupta, Legal Consultant  | 09 15 2009 14:03:13 +0000
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is this the only way to control hiv.

is marriage all about potency and hiv.

 people s get married to those having hiv knowing fully well.

why marriage should be linked to such a step.the problem arises outside the marriage system.so it has to be controled outside the marriage system.

what the link with marriage and pootency...many people stay on go ahead and adopt a child.

marriage is a agreement to stay together life long in pain and in gain.dukh mai aur sukh mai.

 


By sandesh saboo, Research Associate/Analyst, saboo associates  | 09 15 2009 13:37:54 +0000
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Ablsolutetly right. Also, such tests should be done and certificate issued free of cost by all Government hospitals.


By Abraham Paul, Senior Telecom Consultant, FCOMNET- Future Groups  | 09 15 2009 13:04:02 +0000
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Its a very good step. It will indeed help in controlling HIV up to a lot extent...


By Prarthana Devi, Database Architect/Designer, Leading IT Company  | 09 15 2009 10:26:34 +0000
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Yes Yash, I am fully agree with you. If there is a confidence building between those than what is the issue. Its a great prevention technique for AIDS.


By Nitin M Aras, Head/VP/GM-Tech. Support, ODTIN Food Solutions Pvt Ltd  | 09 15 2009 07:32:44 +0000
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according to NACO, aids spreads due to illicit and extra marital affairs, marriage has got nothing to do with this, the person who proposed this act is mixing 2 disparate issues in one. a very sad debate is should say.
By Abhijit M, Owner, Self  | 02 02 2012 09:59:54 +0000
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I'm an old man of 51 years old, divorced. If I could redo everything again, I would marry for love, not business, beauty and facts, papers or not.

Then I would be happy and still being married. I would say, keep those papers and when they would make you happy, great.

In Holland, my mother used to say "Can't eat from a pretty table"


By Wim Vincken, Director, Zangville  | 05 21 2011 19:15:57 +0000
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VERY TRUE HIV IS SPREADING FAST AND IT MAKES COMMON SENSE TO TEST.BUT POTENCY TEST IS ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT AND ONE FAILS TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO UNCONNECTED THINGS ARE CORRELATED.IS A POTENT PERSON WITH AIDS IS ACCEPTABLE?MANORAMA  CAN FOCUS ON STEPS TO PREVENT PERSONS WITH AIDS,FROM MARRYING,THEREBY PREVENTING INNOCENT PEOPLE FALLING AS VICTIMS AND LOSING THEIR LIFE FOR NO FAULT OF THEIRS.


By s.baalu , Consultant, XYZ LTD  | 03 30 2010 07:43:09 +0000
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You are right shamal, it would reduce divorce cases and at the same time it would also reduce the marriages too?

good argument!


By Dr. S.Pruthviraja pande, Visiting Professor, Bangalore/Ravenshaw University  | 01 01 2010 06:41:46 +0000
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I Swear... if these things are encouraged, then this would give room to more corruption in the proffession of doctors and most of them would be fake results where very few would get into its depth... the marriage which is suppose to last long based on trust between the couples, would start based on doubts on each other... So lets not hope to encourage any such things in India atleast!!.... Love the culture of India!! .... Thank you, Manish N.

Cheers!!


By Manish N Chugh, Officer Trainee, Stock Holding Corporation of India ltd.,  | 12 03 2009 07:11:02 +0000
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Raju, please state what you don't like about my comment. Thank you.


By Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit  | 10 21 2009 17:11:48 +0000
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The tests on potency and HIV should not have been clubbed. I agree with having the latter part of legislation, but not the former


By Resmi Maxim, GENERAL MANAGER - OPERATIONS, SI PROPERTY (KERALA) PVT.LTD.,  | 10 20 2009 09:16:13 +0000
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There is  a saying that Marriages are made in heaven. So it seems marriage is decided by something above us... When it comes to marriage, manual belief should be there in both boys and girls side. Hence there is no need for people to get tested for potency / HIV before marriage. It is the love and affection that makes and complete the marriage and not these kind of tests. I would like to say that its up to boys decision whether to go for himself to be tested before marriage and there should not be a compulsive approach for these kinds of tests.


By karthik , Tester, Excelacom Technologies  | 10 02 2009 15:46:38 +0000
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I do not wish to copy paste each and every word of Devi Kaladeen, but those are my thoughts too!!


By shersks , Network Designer, TATA COMMUNICATIONS  | 09 22 2009 20:11:52 +0000
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Hi Everybody,As Vishvanath mentioned here,We have been having a natural and wonderful life in India as family thru the ages without AIDS or all these unnecessary bickering on these subjectsi

Just as all five fingers are not the same ,every induvidual is not perfect,God has made each one with some thing good and in lacking, with may be a purpose.This is universal

But we induviduals have distorted it to the max on our own terms and fantasys and now have ended up with problems like Aids which is now an additional ghost  to cope with.ALL because we are more inclined to Bad western influences.Let us try to inbibe the good of all nations and spread our goodness to all nations instead of getting into the influence of unnatural and unscientific characteristics and then finding ways to cure the effect with legislations.

It is never ending and not the solution.The solution is to be INdian first and Indian last.Every thing will be fine.

At this rate we will end up with Pre marital agreements for sharing the booty  in case of a impending divorce etc etc..

In india with such deep rooted culture (of course we dont practice) these type of legislations dont fit they are misfits


By Charles davison, Project Manager, Douglas OHI LLC  | 09 20 2009 17:42:58 +0000
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Hello,

I would say that what the author has proposed is not feasible. What the author has suggested may be possible in arranged marraiges only, and that too I feel the greater numbers, would object.  Further, I feel the auhtor has discounted love and love marraiges totally.  Can a Boy or Girl , in love, refuse to marry once the tests turn out to be positive ? And what does the author mean by 'Potency test' ? Is it to check one's sexuality or sexual functions? And I think it would be humiliating both for the boy and the girl to undergo fertility tests before marraige. I, however,  feel testing for AIDS should be made mandatory before a marraige takes place, be it arranged or love !


By Sougata , Taxation(Indirect) Manager, Central Excise  | 09 20 2009 15:30:15 +0000
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if we stop western culture then no need to do all these things.....just follow our culture will you do this ..?

who is started this  .???????? 


By vishwanath kushnarla, B.Tech/B.E. student, vidyavardhaka  | 09 20 2009 15:17:27 +0000
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Shamal ,I think this would increase divorce cases.

As Devi mentioned there are couples who are diagnosed by doctors as Potent and still do not concieve a baby.if the couple married on this assurance by the doctor,then after marraige if there is no issue,then each will start suspecting the other of cheating,since you have undergone test before marraige!

Currently since there is no such compulsion to test ,no one can blame any body.

Deliberate cheating will be initiated if there is alaw,and maybe third party Inspection will have to be done !That is not fool proof either.

 


By Charles davison, Project Manager, Douglas OHI LLC  | 09 20 2009 09:35:31 +0000
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i think its against our cultural values ..if anyone wants to check anything he/she could utilize the achievements of medical science n clarify all doubts .there is no need of encouraging sex before marriage  .i don't think its right and that is to get assured about the potecy .its not right


By soumya saxena, PGDM IMS Ghbd (2008-2010)  | 09 18 2009 19:17:52 +0000
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Taking a Potency test is different from a HIV test - as Mr. Charles rightly said - its good for a discussion or a debate but in a real world scenario how many of us would accept ourselves or our family members or our friends to undergo a Potency / Fertility test..before getting into a wedlock. So taking both type of tests into account doesnt make much of a sense...


By Balaji Nagarajan, Head - Market Analysis, CURA Healthcare  | 09 18 2009 06:59:25 +0000
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I would like to know How many of the readers on the other side who have supported the YES would have allowed themselves or if still unmarried would allow themselves to this test?

How many would do this for their Kids before Marraige?

Does this debate iindicate indirectly that if certification failed those should never Marry?

Potency has many meanings -I dont agree on this word.In that case each person has to undergo a wellness test because he/she may have "n" number of other health problems which either of the parties may not like.Why stop with Potency?There are other problems equally or more destructive?

Regarding HIV, since there is no cure and it is contagious each person has responsibility on his own to check for himself/herself.How many of us have ourselves checked for HIV?we may all think we dont have unless checked?

What about cancer? What is diff between Potency and cancer?/or diabetes/or any such health problems?

 Since films are based only on love and sex nowadays and no other topic all these film personalities can think of is on that angle.Very narrow minded .Lets see life in broader sense.

After all life is a mixture of all things.

 


By Charles davison, Project Manager, Douglas OHI LLC  | 09 18 2009 06:03:21 +0000
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