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Some people say its a correction period. Is it so? please share your views
 
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It is Recession Vs It is a correction
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naa recession hai naa correction hai bhai "

TO YEH KYA HAI BHAI KOI POOCHEGA

BACHPAN MEIN SCHOOL JAATE THEY TO 5 PERIOD KE BAAD MEIN KYA HOTA THA ? KUCH YAAD HAI ?

HOTA THA RECESS.

 

ABHI RECESS / ION MEIN KHAAN BANA KHAO , AARAAM KARO . BAAD MEIN TEACHER PHIR PERIOD LEGAA.

 

 


By Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu  03 20 2009 12:25:35 +0000
 
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Dear Members, What has happened is a correction, much over due. I would rather be thankful  for this correction happening now; else it would have hurt the world economy much more. In support of that let me quote some points I wrote in another debate.

Executive waste is only one of the reasons. My view is that unbridled greed of most of the industrialists in their involvement; more on manipulation of money market to make quick wealth,  than managing their core business with hard work and honesty;  is the main reason.

1. Why a moderate good quality Car should cost more than moderate house?

2. Why our indigenous manufacturers are not able to produce products  of equal or better quality,  compared to the imported ones and manufactured locally by others in India?

3. Why the hotel rooms in India should cost the way it is now?

4. Why the banks went on paying heavy loans without looking into the repaying capability, encouraging every one to indulge in un-deserving vanity obtained with harmful self indebt?   

5. Why the land price is allowed to go to the levels that are now?  Why the price of cement, steel and other materials went to the level pre correction; sky rocketing real estate prices?

6. Why 1000 acres of arable land is required for a 'Small Car' factory. The Wellington Island in Kerala which occupies a Major Port,  The Naval HQ,  Air port, Railway terminal, and other related infrastructre,  is only 800 acres.  

7. Why is necessary to acquire at subsidized price; cultivable and fertile agricultural land for SEZ; and that too 1000 acres of it?  Why can't they develop and use waste lands for it?

8. Why a private oil and natural gas explorer is allowed to export the countries natural wealth when we are importing most of it to meet our requirement? Why are we export raw materials at throw away price and import finished products at such high price?

9. Why is the industrialist go on increase the prices unresonably of materials taken out of good Earth, which charge nothing for it?  For example unit price of the natural gas at the exploration point is less than 1 dollar, and see at what price it is sold?  Similarly mother earth give minerals and oil free of cost and people sell it at exorbitant cost.

10. Why is a fresher is paid 5 to 10 times the salary of an Engineer of 10 years of working experience?

11. Why are the educational institutions and hospitals so expensive and beyond the reach of the common man?

12. Why are there thousands and thousands of Mutual funds when most of the exisiting funds do not pay any dividend for years and the invest capital growth is negative and the fund manger continue to live lavishly eating into investors capital? 

13. Why industrialists are allowed bring in IPO's beyond any justification when looking in their order book, Reliance Power IPO to cite an example.  Why there is no control on valuations?

14. Why the private and govt. road transport owners increase bus fare by 25 to 30% when the fuel  price increase by less than 10%, and then why are they not reducing the fare with reduction fuel price.

15. When  rupee has higher purchasing power than US$ for essential items, and Indian economy being stronger, why rupee getting devaluated against the currency of a pauper economy?

The list can go on and on... 


By Abraham Paul, Senior Telecom Consultant, FCOMNET- Future Groups  04 22 2009 16:39:41 +0000
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We have to look at it this way. It is neither a correction or a recession. This year we have grown by around 7% and the forecast for next year is between 5 and 7%. If there is negative growth for 2 quarters then we say the economy is in recession. It is not the case and no recession.

To say few words further about our economy to shed some light on what is going on, I will have to say that Indian economy was running on Marxian socialist principles, with low wages for subsistence and no spot markets as such for assets. Now after 1991 we are shifting towards a free market economy and policies will tend to be little 'green horn' type, reason being we are new to such policies and we don't have an infrastructure per se to convert overnight to faster paces.

Usually economies can be categorized as Marxian socialism or Radner type economies. In the latter case equilibrium of the economy is maintained by the economic agents  allowed to maximize their utility in consumption and environment through allocated endowments. We were having a low wage structure so endowments were not sufficient for Radner type equilibrium.

Now having said this, let me point out what happened. We were growing at faster pace and currency was moving upwards. Some policies haphazardly taken during November of 2007 led to tampering with the endowments of the wage earners and such agents, which led to a collapse in the asset prices which created a dip in growth.

So it is not a correction or a recession, once the asset prices start moving up economy will pick up from where it left hopefully there need be some devaluation of the currency in the long run.

Only way we can develope is by adorning the Radner type economic processes where the populace can nearly foresee their consumption patterns intertemporally and can take decision based on investments in assets to adjust to a preconceived budget. Then that is Micro analysis and in Keynsian Macro terminologies it is tampering with the incomes of the populace and once it gets corrected things will be fine.


By Mathew Cherian, Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University  | 04 13 2009 18:50:06 +0000
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Steep real estate prices fueled by very high salaries for young executives and top management created demand for unessential commodities. The bubble hiked prices and what goes up comes down. This is recession. Because the terminology correction is not suitable as per economics. Economic trends of inflation and recession follow one another. Inflation hiked prices and now recession is bringing it down.


By Akash , International Marketing Shabro  | 03 31 2009 06:15:32 +0000
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With due respect, how do we define correction v/s recession? If we beleive as your post suggests that industrialists, bankers, fund managers, governments waging war are responsible for it....yes, it is cumuluative faluts grave and no so grave people belonging to all the industry...God does not send recession but people in their over enthusism, overstep the boundaries and then variable suddenly go out of control....Yes, all these men in various kinds of power are responsible for recessionary trends we are witnessing...When corrective action affacts one particular segments say share market or property, then it is correction but when it begins to envelop the entire industry, then it is recession...I hope I m wrong...I need to be wrong...but...


By HASMUKH GANDHI, FILM AND TV PRODUCER, PROFESSIONAL  | 03 16 2009 17:39:02 +0000
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How can we say it is correction? we are not talking about stock market alone...may be yes, overvalued stock market has justifiably corrected and it is the inherent process in stock market...but we are talking about global scenario....it certainly is recession...frightening recession, if I can add...the world over the finanacial markets are in turmoil...America economy is in peril and American President had to admit it...banks and other intermediaryies are collapsing...business risk aversion is on increase....capex is slowing down...best of the world companies have gone bankrupt....panic is real and palpable...the governments world over are trying desperately to pop up the economy on artificial measure...May be in India we have yet not felt the sudden impact, may be except overheated stock market and property market...but corporates are getting funds difficult to get...it generates chain reactions...I don't know whether it is beginning of the end or end of the begining? but signs are omnious....we are in the midst of global recession....


By HASMUKH GANDHI, FILM AND TV PRODUCER, PROFESSIONAL  | 03 15 2009 07:26:20 +0000
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I think it now it is recession. Correction is already happened in all industry.
By Shaju George, Facilities/Construction Manager, IBS Software Services (P) Ltd  | 03 14 2009 07:17:15 +0000
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The points mentioned are very valuable. You have brought into notice of everyone, to think as it should be, rather than simply saying growth is hampered, we are not getting what is due, etc, etc.

Justifiable points and thanks for the detailing.....


By Ashok H T, Business Transformation Consultant, IBM India Private Limited  | 04 22 2009 09:18:13 +0000
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Dear Paul,

My earlier post generally gives the answer to your question. You being in tech environment, I believe you are not endowed with the economic factors leading to your doubts. Any way I shall try to make it simple once more.

You, me and everyone living here need to be considered as agents or economic agents. Our economy was basically Marxian socialism with it manifesting signs of Oligiarchs like Communist Russia. Even now when we are trying change forward, we maintain the old flavor of M Socialistic functions.

In fact I think you too think little in terms of socialistic prerogatives when you ask about asset pricies increasing. In Radner economies I explained which most of the developed nations adorrr the equilbrium is stated as a function of two variables, 1) asset prices 2) endowments. So unless the asset prices are maintained at higher levels as the economy grows then the future expectations of the agents are dwarfed which can have diminishing effect on the economy. I am not saying that one should artificialy raise prices, but asset prices should generaly depict the economic reality. If one tampers with the asset prices the result will be catstrophic. We are slowly changing to better economic processes so these things still need to be worked out.

I will suggest if you may try to find out why Indian companies are managed by those who own them(corporates). It is like betting on your own Horse for unlimited payoffs, where in Radner economies one has to bet against ones own horse for equilibrium distribution of aggregate risk.

Why our environment or processes don't increase the utility of the consumer. This again has explanations.

I tried to be simple, hope I succeeded a little bit. It will get complicated for the non-practitioner, but there is answer to all your doubts and quieries.


By Mathew Cherian, Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University  | 04 14 2009 08:39:00 +0000
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The most significant advantage of this correction is that it could bring public awareness that everything is not hunky dory in Corporate functionings, which is as bad as or even worse than the Government units and establishments. 

Many will think twice before advocating that persons with high profile Corporate experience should be at the helm of affiars in governance of the country and public establishments.

How can the like of those stalwarts incapable of running a bank or a car factory, can run a government  and its public establishments of a Country of a billion and odd people? 


By P. Abraham Paul, MD FCOMNET  | 04 13 2009 19:48:02 +0000
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Well, if we just focus on India...n Indian economy....we are better off....simply becoz we are not as yet take a direct hit like America and European countires. It is categorically clear from the sudden impact and collectie governmental anxiety, that there is sudeen impact of recession and best of the companies of the world, with billion dollar brand value have goen down under. There is a panic. Indian economic model shall and can scape thru of this economic tsunami. If we go little deeper, we feel that our economic model, with all its flows is better then Chinise model in terms of prosperity reaching the middle class and lower middle class, certainly not enitirely, but at least part of. So, there is no sudden sharp loss of demand. Secomdly, per capita saving in India is robust and can withstand temporary recession. But let us not be in an illusion....we are at least surrounded by global recession. Latest news, an iconic company like Infosys have sacked 2100 employees...it shud be eye-opener..


By HASMUKH GANDHI, FILM AND TV PRODUCER, PROFESSIONAL  | 04 12 2009 15:42:51 +0000
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Good to see many are in support of my argument.

As far as the situation in Indian Industries, it is becoming evedient that there have been no major change in the fundamentals. The share market melt down seen is due to much needed correction to streamline and regularize the market by correcting the unethical approach of the few business houses as well as the traders whose main aim is profit taking by creating chaos in the share market.  Let us hope that this correction will enable share market to settle down with right valuation of shares and moderate annual growth of invetsment.    


By Abraham Paul, Senior Telecom Consultant, FCOMNET- Future Groups  | 04 12 2009 10:27:59 +0000
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fully agreed with you sir. Its correction only.


By AMOD KUMAR YADAV, Manager - Projects Sales & Marketing, RDK INTERNATIONAL LIGHTING LLC  | 04 11 2009 11:48:22 +0000
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Sir i support your argument.This is the Time When Indian Enteprenure Can lead the world with new vision in IT & Technology.


By Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure  | 03 31 2009 18:46:40 +0000
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Sir i support your argument.This is the Time When Indian Enteprenure Can lead the world with new vision in IT & Technology.


By Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure  | 03 31 2009 18:46:32 +0000
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ya its correction ad very well defined by abraham sir


By varsha , Head/VP/GM-Quality, frac  | 03 31 2009 16:58:49 +0000
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It's slowdown not recession as of now in India. A correction on prices of services and commodities will take place during this time as the demand to them suffers. The same will happen in Recession too, correction beyond a level is called deflation.


By Manoj , Branch Manager/Regional Manager Path Infotech Ltd  | 03 30 2009 15:27:05 +0000
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Hi All,

I say it is correction for the time being as the demand has slowed down, to an extent it is beneficial to the end user. However things can change drastically and suddenly everyone will start talking about recession.

Points mentioned by Abraham Paul are certainly to think about, but only mere discussion is not going to help resolve the present situation. We need to come on a agreeable consenses to sort these points one by one...


By Prashant Dilip Bhutada, Asst. Manager/Manager -(NonTechnical), Funcity Oasis L.L.C.  | 03 28 2009 08:02:44 +0000
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I definitely support that the current situation is correction and not a recession as clearly mentioned by abraham and praveen.


By Isha Verma, Sales/BD Manager, Larsen & Toubro  | 03 26 2009 10:53:54 +0000
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it is the correction, because indian economy is dependent upon the agricuture or its related goods and material,so it is not a recession

 


By praveen upadhyay, Student, rakshpal bahadur management institute  | 03 23 2009 16:15:00 +0000
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Definitely what we are going through is a much overdue Correction, of the mis doings of Global economic processes.  Un-bridled greed of industrialists, Bankers and Fund Managers could be few of the many reasons of it.

Please also see my posting 'Correction not Recession" in this space .  

Such a correction caused pain to many, especially the retail investors in Company Shares, Mutual funds, Bonds, Real estate etc. The consolation can be that this Correction will lead to some recovery, and at the least stop total loss.

Your house is damaged in a flood which affected the entire town- Your town fell into a recession.

Your house is on auction to repay your wife's loan for purchasing diamonds - Time for correction.

Let us keep our fingers crossed.  


By Abraham Paul, Senior Telecom Consultant, FCOMNET- Future Groups  | 03 20 2009 09:24:13 +0000
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I agree that is a correction and not a recession.. and it was required  at this stage...


By Arti Arora, Branch Manager/Regional Manager, NII  | 03 19 2009 19:15:20 +0000
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Hi george, Abraham is right, it is a overdue correction. Correction term is not only belonging to stock market.

by the way, nice debate you formed. congrats


By Nitin M Aras, Head/VP/GM-Tech. Support, ODTIN Food Solutions Pvt Ltd  | 03 16 2009 12:40:13 +0000
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Hi George...

In my opinion, we’re in a correction period, not a recession. The economy is still growing by one or two per cent, but it is still growth and we are not in a technical recession. The economic environment has become tougher and more competitive but we are in a period of adjustment and correction. And the thing about all the recession worry is that it feeds on itself. If everyone thinks there's going to be a recession, it will probably happen. Investors become reluctant to put their money at risk, and businesses become reluctant to expand. It will be good to know what other thinks......


By Dayanand Deshpande, Senior Consultant, Ernst & Young  | 03 14 2009 08:26:01 +0000
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It is a fact that every rise has a fall and every fall has a rise. Whenever an economy gets heated it requires correction. Still it is the correction happening now just to remove the excess flab that certain industries have generated like IT, Real Estate etc....


By Neelam Mishra, Software Developer, BEA Systems  | 03 14 2009 07:53:19 +0000
 
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