religion does not propagate hatred. The hatred propagated the people who are professing religion irrespective of which religion, So one should have a knowledge not only one's own religion but those of others too in order to understand the full meaning of the religion. Only this way the violence carried out in the name of religion could be controlled. Some countries include the religious books of all the religions in the country, this should be followed by more and more countries.
Abdullah I think religion is the major reason for not having peace in India. Terrorism and war are mainly due to religious issues. So have one religion and we can see peace....
As i already said all religions is good but the people follow only the things which is profitable o them , we humans are very selfish. Rligion is only for pace and to manage the people. By
dilnawazsambul , System Admin, Torm Shipping
| 03 09 2011 06:37:44 +0000
Why always religion is targeted as main reason for war,Religion is something that a human follows to keep himself in a rule, a manner in which ther is a same thinking.So why religion an issue? War is not because of religion but it is because of bad part inside of every human, where he want show some one is always inferior,weak, wrong to him. If we go through every religion there is always some similarity i.e. be good and kind to every living creature. Thats it!
Its all about human Thinking what he wants to make out of things GOOD or BAD.
every religion teaches co existence hence no question of propagating hatred. followers of different religions some times try to show supremacy over other religion followers, which propagates hatred but same may be attributed to person or group of persons and not the religion. as far as india is concerned. highest level of human behvivour is expected from every indian, irrespective of different personal religions. i am of opinion that because of geographical location and,tropical weather and abundant fruits, vegetables milk grains etc. that are available all over the country and round the year, make india a very special country where u can practice vegetarianism all your life. though every kind of non veg , sea food, fishes etc are also available in abundance. thus all options are open u can eat what u like. when almighty nature has showered her gifts and blessngs on indian peninsula open heartedly, irrespective of personal religion, every indian is expected to present the best and indians do it too, the world over. we are a shade higher than religion. we are indians.
Karl marx has the mission for equal economy. In his principle the complete right is governed by State. He wanted an equal distribution of everything to everyone. he did a good job, but within a short span of 200 years it failed.
There has been a lot of problems created by his successors, but it does not mean that Karl Marx was wrong. He was against religion as the follower were misusing for power. But his main theory of economy had no relation with religion. all the religion also believes on the same i.e justice to all and survival of the poorest. Religion has a clear mandate to help poor. Karl Marx followed on survival of the fittest, which is the rule of Jungle not human society. For human society, it is the survival of the weakest. This is the reason why take care care our oldest one.
after all, the topic is religion for peace. Has Karl Marx said that religion is not for peace. Please put your opinion on the topic.
it's not good to say that religion is the only reason for terrorism in india.it's the opinion which make terrorist. By
ankit kumar, BCA student, IGNOU
| 08 15 2010 08:03:36 +0000
No religion is problem for everything. Way u think about the religion is matters. Religion provides love and humanity in the society. We need to maintain it sincerely. Be prompt to yourself. Don't worry about other religious matters rather maintain yourself. Fight only when needed by u for ur religious matters hurt by others... By
Iranna , MCA student, karnatakuniversity
| 08 15 2010 06:58:32 +0000
I appreciate your mature understanding of the knowledge on subject. Hope the same should be understood by rest TooStep members. You have written the real reason. Thanks for contributing your thought and let this generation knows the reality.
In defence of Jinnaha:(Its out of context but still...)
Jinnah was forced to simulate the idea of pakistan as CONGESS(READ HINDUS) never recognised Muslim league as the real representatives of all muslims, never gave them the political power which they desired.Thus Muslim league feared dominace of congress and in a democracy numbers matter and they would never get it on their own thus they wanted partion to be done.
Religion is one of the factor which might add to other complications existing already resulting in confrontation but its not the sole criteria.
The major challange in Inida is unequal growth and unequal distribution of wealth.This has resulted in suppression of certain communities which have now rebelled against the existing system(Using Gods name, philosophers name, Prophets name) and this we call as Terrorism today.The underlying fact why one shelters his body and soul to God, any philosoher(as in marx) nobody undertsands.
Assume tomorrow the world unifies, everybody gets everything, everyone does their duties sincerely(without any monitor, control from external agency), everybody is treated equally i.e Bill gates and a rural indian cobbler , then violence, terrorism, Government will perish.There will be no need to harbour state, nation, military and so on.This is the ideal state which humans are moving towards ......earlier it was belived , in the name of God people will be unified but neverthless now its not possible and the only possibilty is full scale permanent economic resource redistribution.
IT IS NOT RELIGION WHICH IS THE CAUSE OF ALL UNWANTED THINGS.IT IS OUR OWN BRETHREN WHO IN THE NAME OF RELIGION ARE CREATING PROBLEMS FOR SO MANY OF US.
At last you break the ice. Hope you understand the difference between 2% and a perception of 100%. Even I don't mean for any specific religion. Either this type of Debate should not be allowed in this forum or one should not talk the political and diplomatic language.
If its a complete professional community, then there must be restriction on topics and referral on the topics. I understand most of us are sitting in AC office and doing these debates just for fun. we never visit the reality. I accept your opinion that we should not indulge in this hot discussion. I apoligies, If I have heart any one and present the reality.
26/11 or twin tower or babri masjid demolation or Gujrat riot was the political and power game. Those who actually follow the religion, is not involved. Kindly find out the root cause of problem..
Division of India was apower game or religious conflict. Do you know the actual reason? If poeple misuse the power and misguide in the nam eof religion, then it does not means that religion is wrong but the person are misusing it. This misguide and msuse is not related with religion, but every poepole are divided by any source od division factor. The recent example of Maharashtra, where outsider are in problem, same in Autralia. Will you say? its religion to be b;lamed or its a war of civilization and power?
Mr. Sunil.. The picture that we see by media is ruled by the powerful pople who rules the country and the world. So common man are shown the factors which helps then hiding the other serious issues. The peace of the world is not disturbed by varius factors. if you analyze the all reasons, then religion may be less than 2% of all the factors. If you count the factors which keeps the peace, then religion will come at top to rule the human for following the human rule. Lets take example of India, if you going to ask the question of why an individual is not doing wrong actovities, the more than 80% poeple will give the reason that Bhagwan sab dekh raha hai.. so they are automatically ruled by the force of religion for not committing any problem. hence 80% of peace is here due to religion.
Do you remember your childhood days, have you ever wanted to go to school? or it was your choice to study? I am sure your parent has forced you to stop you from many activities which is you liked and forced you to do the activities which you dont like at that time, but ultimately it is good for you.
If religion would have been really bad for all, they why most of the person belives in any idiology. The pople may reach at high position like Britney Spears and others who live life as they want. What is the result? If a child don't know who is his/her father, then what is the purpose of this well cultured society? If they talk about humanity, does it make sense? If religion forbids you from doing illegal sex, does it mean it is bad. What is the difference between human culture and animal culture? If religion teaches you the difference between right and wrong, then religion is bad.
We are from this generation, who are well educated and financially independent. So we all like to spend our life as we like. If something try to stop from it, then it become bad. if religion teaches you to take care of your parent, then it is bad? It depends on your perception towards human and animal culture.
You seems to have little information, which is really dangerous. You should study how and where and for which purpose the religion has been born. Please study and write the actual information before writing in the forum.
Is there anyone who can give me proof that "Religions were always made to divide" Please put your comment.
We have realized the same problem in this generation. They don't know the reality and argue with over confidence. This is the reason the media is so negative that they are successful in propogating the wrong information and creates disharmony easily as people has little knowledge.
Kaifee see properly I haven't initiated the discussion.
And why should I go the police station and check for details. Even they have fake records. Everyone knows religion is the cause for many of the problems.
As Manoj said there should be only one religion "HUMANITY" ...... which will bring PEACE to our country....
The religion is a way of life to lead the life in a disciplined way.Mere birth can not decide the religion of a person. It is the interest of the individual to choose a path from among the different paths to know about the creator and to lead his life in a spiritual and disciplined way. Today, we are branding an individual’s religion just because he has taken birth in a particular community. It is ridiculous to fight each other in the name of the god/religion. Spiritual leaders/saints preached the societies against barbaric cultures of those uncivilized days to instill some kind of discipline. Different societies followed different ways preached by these spiritual leaders/saints. Thus religions came into being. The basic concept of a religion seems to have lost its relevance. Only blind beliefs ruling the minds. So sad.
Revali... I am surprised, you are eassociated with Media and don't have the actual information. You must get the right information before creating such a sensitive discussion. Please visit the Indian Police head office and get the total no of murders and reason behind it.
I understand there has been many problems, but is religion is responsible for it, or there was another cause. Do you know the actual reason of riot in 1947, while India and Pakistan was separted, had maximum no of death. Please find out the actual reason and then put your view, if religion was responsible for the same.
Before saying Religion is for Peace or it is creating problem, let us understand ehat is the meaning of Reliegion. Religion is associated with the follower of GOD. The culture varies according to civilization, language, geography etc. So many religion are in the world get created. If you see the reason of evolving a relegion it was primarily due to establishment of PEACE and control the curruption. You can take example of birth of any religion. The differences creates not becuase of religion but more due to difference in civilization, power etc. The famous poet Iqubal said " Mazhab nahin sikhata aapas me bar rakhna". No religion teaches to create difference between religions.
As far as problmes in India is concerned, I think more poeple dies by Communist MCC problesm in central India rather than Terrorist or communal riot. If your count total no of murders, it will be less than 2% who killed due to communal voilence. Even if there is any riot or terrorism is there, it is not due to any religion, but it is due to political power gain issue like KASHMIR is the burning example. Infact the leaders hide the other problems by focysing and highlighting only the terroris or communal disharmony in the society.
Please check with the Human right commission, that what is the actual no of terrorist among the no of Police shoot in the name of Terrorist. I request you all to confirm the data from Human resource commission or any authentic source before writing.
At the same time I also agree the limitation of a religion. When it was formed, it has not kept the future exapansion of globalization. So in terms of software we can say it is not scalable or flexible. But the time has come when poeple are independent to choose what they like. We know religion put some restriction wrt to new generation, but I will it creates the discipline in individual and social life.
But it depends on your acceptibility and family background. But it has no concerned with creating problem due to religion. In pakistan there are more death due to riot, even there is only one religion.
Please correct me If I am wrong. Welcome your opinion.
Religions can cultivate fear of Allah, morality and productiveness among human beings. So, by this way we can easily establish peace in the World. By
Abdulllah Al Mahmud, Lecturee, Dhaka University
| 08 10 2010 01:02:18 +0000
It will be Quite appropriate if we talk about Dharma and peace. Dharma and religion are totally two different things but think as same. Dharma Means Right thing to do in a Situation. Dharma changes with the situation like if someone is beating a weak person coz of their ego someone who is seeing this should stop this. this is the dharma in that situation. and when you raise your hands in the benefit of nation that will be rashtriya dharma. so I think Dharma and Peace will be More Appropriate for this topic.
Now you are talking like a priest, and thinking like a childish boy, who know about the his parents and not about his surrounding world. It is the same words we knew from religious source. Some managed me to school (Primary)- it is absolutely corrects - but I learned more/other than they wish to taught me or wish to . If someone only learned what their parents/teachers wish to tech him, the comments are absolutely correct for him.
Now the world/universe is vast then our parents, grandparents (more information than previous eras). Our parents can't even imagine this type of debate can be done between peoples in thousands miles distance. I believe, I got numerous information by the era from my teachers, parents, stories from my grandparents, my friends, books, tv, ....., but I am not blindly believing all information are correct or for good (culture,...) even if it from by beloved parents, respectful teachers, scholars...
In my opinion, one who think all are good everything is good if it is from from parents/Acharyas., he is his childhood not yet grown.
So everybody should want to think best, and understand that the years made a lot of changes. Thoughts & taught before centuries not always right for forthcoming eras. And some thing try to believe us is debating here as head
IF WE UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION OF HUMANESS (Humanity) THERE WILL NOT BE ANY KIND OF HETREDNESS OF OTHER RELIGIONS (Comunity) WHAT WE BELONG TO. OUR BIRTH IS AN ACCIDENTAL IN PERTICULAR COMMUNITY (religion).
"there are so many religion's that are gettin clashed with other" " Try to Be an Indian after that try to be follower of your religion" By
N.Mahesh , Q.C, m/s Macc Engineer's
| 08 15 2010 08:31:18 +0000
I was just wondering a debate which have no significance in this forum or in no way helps any one professionally as this site supposed to be have so much lengthy arguements and counter arguemnts. Mr. Kaifee.. I would like to take little freedom on behalf of all too step members that we are not against any particular religion by supporting this side..
We are all beliving in religion as it purifies our mind ( Please go through my another posting after this) and eaqually respects other religion also.. But at the same we all know that some people are taking advantage in the name of religion to spoil the life and peace world wide..
As you replied to Sunil we were referring to the 20% which you yourself admitted.. Can you please explain what was the cause for our 26/11 attack or can you explain what some people are doing in the name of JIHAD or why some extremists blew up twin tower in America or the reason behind the demolition of Babri Masjid... We feel the reason behind all these are misusing of narrow minded people in the name of religion.
Please dont be frustrated and dont reply for this post as I am not at all interested to through it instead I prefer to do some thing good which will benifit others... Sorry
A good one, though it is mentioned Bhagavat Geeta you can replace it to Bible, Quran etc accordingly….
An old Farmer lived on a farm in the mountains with his young grandson.
Each morning Grandpa was up early sitting at the kitchen table reading his Bhagavat Geeta. His grandson wanted to be just like him and tried to imitate him in every way he could.
One day the grandson asked, "Grandpa! I try to read the Bhagavat Geeta just like you but I don't understand it, and what I do understand I forget as soon as I close the book. What good does reading the Bhagavat Geeta do?"
The Grandfather quietly turned from putting coal in the stove and replied, "Take this coal basket down to the river and bring me back a basket of water."
The boy did as he was told, but all the water leaked out before he got back to the house. The grandfather laughed and said, "You'll have to move a little faster next time," and sent him back to the river with the basket to try again.
This time the boy ran faster, but again the basket was empty before he returned home. Out of breath, he told his grandfather that it was impossible to carry water in a basket, and he went to get a bucket instead. The old man said, "I don't want a bucket of water; I want a basket of water. You're just not trying hard enough," and he went out the door to watch the boy try again.
At this point, the boy knew it was impossible, but he wanted to show his grandfather that even if he ran as fast as he could, the water would leak out before he got back to the house.
The boy again dipped the basket into river and ran hard, but when he reached his grandfather the basket was again empty. Out of breath, he said, "See Grandpa, it's useless!"
"So you think it is useless?" The old man said, "Look at the basket."
The boy looked at the basket and for the first time realized that the basket was different. It had been transformed from a dirty old coal basket and was now clean, inside and out.
"Son, that's what happens when you read the Bhagavat Geeta. You might not understand or remember everything, but when you read it, you will be changed, inside and out. That is the work of Krishna/Jesus/Allah in our lives."
Whatever may be the information I have, I strongly believe in common sense and my thoughts which are derived from the present situation of the society rather than the history. There are so many proofs to prove that Religions were always made to divide. Why Jinnah wanted separate Pakistan for Muslims? Why he misguided Muslims by saying that Muslims will not be safe and secure in Independent INDIA? (They are more safe in INDIA rather than Pakistan! Ha..Ha.. it's true! Isn't it kaifee?) Ambitious persons always use to misguide the religious crowd to gain the power by all means. If all the religions were made for PEACE, then where is the PEACE? This is truly the failure of FOUNDER (GOD)!! This is really a joke that all human beings are divided into the religious gangs by the GOD himself, and we silly people expecting PEACE!! After all what is meant by PEACE and why we want it? Even GOD don't want it! He is always busy in dividing the people into religions to retain his POWER!!!
Thought from the reformers are for peace, prosperity, humanity, equality and for all good, but this thought may change in to religion, in here we see it as worst. It spoil others peace and threaten always. and it try to agree them with others, by force, or by other evil or good way ( most time it is evil)
"religion is the cause for many of the problems" I accept that there is nothing in the world which is perfect. You talk about the best religion the rule of HMANITY is really very good. Every religion has alreday incorporated the rule of Humanity. Please clarify the problems created by Religion if these problems were not backed up by personal motive or political motive.
But the whole world knows that every religion has perfomed well in creating peace globally. This is a very generic statement that religion is creating a lot of problem. But how, may you please explain it?
What about the fight within the groups of same religion? Is religion was the reason of 1st and 2nd world war? Is religion is the reason of corruption and other social problems? Is religion is the root cause of terrorism? Is religion is the cause of Gujrat riot?
Please analyze the answer of above question, then ask yourself, if religion is really creating many problems and it is not for peace
The creation of God and and worships generated from the fear of early man. later when man started group living, according the culture of the man different religions has formed. People have gathered and lived in group at the banks of rivers. Our culture started from Indus Valley civilization. The middle east culture had started form Nile river bank. These culture had created God and religions. Basically God taken birth to earth at Indus valley, Nile, Greek civilizations. No other part of the world God did not take birth. Now this is the end of Kliyoug. All the evilness of man is broken out to disturb the mankind. Let us be patient for the change by nature.
Thnx for invite. With due respect for all the religions around the world, I personally dont think that at present scenario we use religion for peace though it was meant for the same in the past. Peoples are more divided coz of the religion, wars are fought, there are terrorisim, etc etc.
It is true that, all religions preach peace, brotherhood and love each other. But we human beings are not perfect followers of religion. When we start following religion in public life, soon, my religion-your religion starts.
Hence, it is the best thing that, we observe our religion within four walls of house and follow a common civil constitution in public life.
Religion started to organise peacefull living of the human beings, but from the era of Mughals,religion is utilised to dominate and this is still continuing. By
R N Bhattacharyya, Freelancer, Freelancer
| 08 11 2010 14:36:14 +0000
Religions were always made to divide and make such type of group of people, which will follow the thoughts founders. In the ancient times, when the worlds population was very less, some intellectualists exploited the people by challenging their sentiments and made the team. All religions were founded by battling among the powerful defenders. Now a days every child is the follower of that founder by birth to whom he says GOD and the MASS OR CROWD of people which follows that GOD is called as RELIGION. Thus there are so many GODS in the different part of the world and religions, who believe that only our GOD is great. Nobody wants to respect the GOD of another RELIGION. Even nobody have the right to study and then accept the religion which he likes. So how can a RELIGION can be used for PEACE? RELIGION itself is first ENEMY of PEACE!!!
Dear Ravali, Thank you very much for referring me. I respect your views.
Pray 2 God not for urself rather for the other person whose in luv with u...u’ll get luv in the end...but if u Pray & Work 4 Humanity u’ll get Peace & Happiness in the End...
***Humanity!!! A Religion for All*** --- *Sacrifice till last phase to death for sake of Human Values is the last step of ladder to *Wisdom towards Destiny* "A loaf of bread is enough for them; for us even the utmost Luxury Services are not sufficient"
Take Pain Happily 4…3 1. Peace & Happiness Of People 2. Food & Shelter 4 Those *Who R Helpless & Have Nothing To Survive 3. Right Education
Sadly I must agree with Ravali. The days when religion meant peace and shared values and security seem to be far far away. What we need is to learn to respect each other's choices and learn to live with them with equanimity and respect for other's right to make their own choice.
Religion was a stabilizing force in the time of our grand fathers. Now between the militants, the politicians and terrorists, it has become an instrument of instability and violence.
Religions can cultivate fear of Allah, morality and productiveness among human beings. So, by this way we can easily establish peace in the World
We have all seen how unifying moral and productive human your religion of peace has produced in the last 1400 years of its existence and continue to do so in in the middle east, Kashmir, Afghanistan.............
002.191 Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you out. Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed. But do not fight them within the precincts of the Holy Mosque unless they attack you there; if they attack you put them to the sword. This shall the unbelievers be rewarded.
Very peaceful indeed Rest in peace that is.........
Rightly said Ravali. It is the religion which is creating so many endless problems from rural villages to all over the world..We need only one religion that is Humanity..
