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Created by : S. Muralidharan, Executive Director, Knowledge Foundation & Campus Around the Corner  | 01 25 2011 15:24:15 +0000
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Are we a Sovereign Nation? Vs Subjugated under External Pressure?
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The Republic Day of India commemorates the date on which the Constitution of India came into force replacing the Government of India Act 1935 as the governing document of India on 26 January 1950.[1] The date 26 January was chosen to honour the memory of the declaration of independence of 1930. It is one of the three national holidays in India, and while the main parade, Republic Day Parade takes place at the Rajpath, in the national capital New Delhi, where the president views the parade, state capitals also have their state celebrations. Although India obtained its independence on 15 August 1947, it did not yet have a permanent constitution; instead, its laws were based on the modified colonial Government of India Act 1935, and the country was a Dominion, with George VI as head of state and Earl Mountbatten as Governor General. On 28 August 1947, the Drafting Committee was appointed to draft a permanent constitution, with Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar as chairman. While India's Independence Day celebrates its freedom from British Rule, the Republic Day celebrates the coming into force of its constitution. (Source: Wikipedia)
By S. Muralidharan, Executive Director, Knowledge Foundation & Campus Around the Corner  01 25 2011 15:24:15 +0000
 
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Mr. Joydeep,

Many people like you can't digest and tolerate the real facts of life and try to find solace in what they are made to accept by others may be only on paper, not in practice. It is irrelevant for me whether you accept my views or not. On the other hand, I have never requested or compelled you to accept my views. But, you cannot compel me not to post my views if some one invites me to offer my comments and I differ with views of any person. You have posted your views, not mine, and I have posted my own views, not yours. But your expectation from me, itself, is anti-sovereign, as you don't like me to express my views. I don't have two faces and don't hide my true feelings like others, irrespective of whether some one likes or not. I have been and am now also a frank person.

Of course, your own opinion seems to be contradictory in itself, and denotes as if you are not firm in your original opinion about sovereignty. Your two posts clearly indicate that you are confused about your own opinion, as at first you have supported the view on sovereignty as "Subjugated under External Pressure" and now you have posted your views in support of the "sovereign nation". BUT, I am still firm in my views. Naturally you had a compulsion to oppose your original opinion and post your opinion on the opposite side of your own original opinion also, may that be with the sole object of opposing my views. That indicates your own stand about anything. You should not have expected any FALSE appreciation for anything from my side. I believe in what is in practice, not merely on paper. Bu, your post has given me clear indication that you believe what is in paper, which even if not be in practice.


Do you think everything on paper is fact? You very well know, facts and fallacies, both are on paper. There is a clear distinction between what is on paper and what is in practice. Here we have not been asked to issue a passport, or degree for qualification, or death certificate to any one on paper. Here we have been required to discuss, what is true and what is false about an issue. So what is false, I have stated. But you have first stated that as false and thereafter treated that as true. What is this strategy of yours?


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  01 27 2011 07:34:25 +0000
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Joydeep I am in total agreement with your last paragraph. Yes value system is being created and attached that makes the thing or break it.


By Rathin Deb, Advisor and retail consultant, currently as Branch Manager, Tower Infotech Ltd  | 01 27 2011 10:08:17 +0000
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Mr PS Dhingra, you are an elderly gentlemen, was all your expediencies  in life bitter, are you a failed personality, I have observed across various post, you are screaming,spitting; this is one of the reason which leads us to subjugation is very unpleasant too, I don't accept  this from a Man of your level, this is all like dumping frustration. 

Well I am no primary school teacher to teach you decorum.

 Your graduation certificate is also on paper, the currency we use is on paper, the death certificate is also a piece of paper, death sentence given to convict is on paper. 

Birth certificate kundulli all on paper, marriage registration passport, telephone bill, bank statement.

What we honour creates value and becomes apparent when you open up. That we don’t honour  one propelling reason, causing subjugation at personal, family, social, business,  national level.


By Joydeep Dasgupta, Business Development, New Horizon  | 01 27 2011 07:40:30 +0000
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India - a Soverign Nation - YES; Please do not expect everybody to be goody goody to you. Every nation depends on others to either benefit or lose to benefit.

Yes, we bow down to US pressure at times, yes we even had to look towards Pakistan to control the onion prices within, yes we have umpteen cases of corrupt stories flashing in our news channels, but please realise we still didnt sign the CTBT treaty since ages, we still havent given up on removing those corrupt officials, we still have the power to shut down Pakistan's economy but havent, we have gained ourselves through support and warmth shown by others, a non-permamnent seat (atleast for now) in the UNSC general assembly and so on.

If you still have complaints, please look within and see what you can do for the country rather than asking what the govt. can do for you. Its we citizens who can make our nation a truly 100% sovereign nation (which we are at times), but remember nothing comes without a price. You have to sometimes give to take something more valuable in return. Jai Hind - a bit patriotic here but worth mentioning on our Republic Day.


By Saibal Ray, SQA, confidential  | 01 26 2011 14:43:34 +0000
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Picture the India of 26 Jan, 1950 and then picture the India of today, on 26 Jan 2011.

We have come a long way and are still evolving with time. We are the ones who started the NAM (wasn't that an Independent step?), despite US's urge, we have maintained our stand on the NPT issue. Over the years, India has emerged as a strategically important country at world level. Its clear from the fact that 5 countries' delegations visited India in 2010.


By Neha Choudhry, Content Writer, Service Magic Info Jobs (for Atoot.com)  | 01 26 2011 11:18:54 +0000
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Its Republic day today and I have to say that: India is a trying-hard-to-be-a-sovereign-nation currently "Subjugated under External Pressure"!

But supporting the effort is worth it especially today!

Happy Republic day to all!

But on the other hand:

“There exists perhaps no conception the meaning of which is more controversial than that of sovereignty. It is an indisputable fact that this conception, from the moment when it was introduced into political science until the present day, has never had a meaning which was universally agreed upon. ”  

— Lassa Oppenheim, an authority on international law

:)


By Anantha Shayana. D, CTO/CIO, RAYSITI  | 01 25 2011 22:27:13 +0000
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I completely agree with Mr PS Dhingra,we only are a sovereign nation on paper only.We are slaves of corrupt politicians...
By CA Heena Sharma, Chartered Accountant  | 01 25 2011 17:29:07 +0000
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Yes, though we have to listen to other powers and the superpower from time to time and calibrate our responses and strategies because we are living in a world perched atop a mountain of nuclear weapons. For details, pl read some of my recent postings.


By Rajeev Sharma, Strategic Analyst, Columnist, Publishing  | 01 25 2011 16:56:49 +0000
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Dear Rathin,

Probably I am not wrong to understand what you actually want to convey. If that is true that can be correct. BUT perhaps you have not interpreted properly what Joydeep has stated in his last sentence. He has stated, "What we honour creates value and becomes apparent when you open up."

From the totality of his post, with reference to my posts, you can well understand, he honors only what is on paper, not in favor of seeing what is in practice. If to honor what is on paper and not in practice, I am quite sure that does not create any value, but devalues a thing.

So, if you also intends to convey the same message , as he thinks about, then sorry to point out to you that you may need to review your post.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 01 29 2011 04:14:54 +0000
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Dar Shiuli,

You are quite right in your analysis. Even otherwise also, Chief Ministers of the States are thrust on the States by Party High Commands, not selected by the majority of the peoples representatives, which is clearly against the constitutionally provided Fundamental Rights in a sovereign state. Elections are won by force by Baahu Balies and criminals against the wishes of the common man. Persons in power swindle public money by corrupt practices. Rules are manipulated in favor of the powerfuls, not to benefit the common man. Right to equality is still in paper, there is no will to implement that. Instead of adopting practical welfare measures to enable the economically weaker people reservations are preferred in posts, which normally go to the effluent classes. Other communities also force their way to get reservations in the name of caste and creed, irrespective of whether a lot of them may belong to the effluent classes. UPSC recruits direct Class-I Officers to post them on the higher positions by putting age restriction for those who might have not been able to acquire necessary qualification by that age due to their non-affordability of getting proper education by that age and would have acquired the education later while in service on lower posts, or even unemployed. People in service at lower posts, with whatsoever higher qualification and having got plenty of administrative experience, but are over-age are not provided any opportunity to compete the UPSC examinations to enhance their careers. Thus the career development of the capable persons are banned even by the Governmental organizations. So, where is the right to equality. In other words, we are still slaves to the people in power and affluence even after 63 years of independence. People of (Sovereign) India can't remove the corrupt people from power at their own. CVC & CBI don't get moved until they get nod from above. Vigilance Units of the Government departments move in the direction they get from the top and manipulate the things against the subordinates to save the higher authorities. CVC acts as a catalyst, rather than an analyst and puts its stamp on 100% cases, without proper analysis, to take disciplinary action against those recommended by the Heads of the Government Organization with their touts being nominated as witnesses. In fact, the non-corrupts get labeled as corrupts, while corrupts get spared due to the cases not being analysed properly by the CVC. There are plenty of such anti-sovereign examples being practised in India. That clearly means sovereignty is on paper only.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 01 29 2011 03:58:12 +0000
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I see the debate heating up. Just to know from the learned, few things.

Sovereign means having sole, independent authority over a geographic area. In hindi its called “Varchaswa” . In India’s constitution we have laid down India’s geographical territory as a Sovereign Republic. Now the question is, does any State govt’ or for that matter Central govt, exercise the right of Sovereignty to run its respective state? “Here I am questioning “Purna Varchaswa”  Coz India functions in a mixed republic manner, meaning Indian republics can classified in to two sub-types ie Unitary and Federal republics, Unitary where the governmental authority is vested with the Centre, and by Federal for it’s respective states. So where does Sovereignty fit ?


By Shiuli Mukherji, Head Strategy Plan- , Region SEA  | 01 28 2011 09:04:59 +0000
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Are we the number one nation? In terms of economy/technology/market reach, military might, influence / control on other nation. The answer is NO. Do we stand second, third fourth, the answer is NO.

We are a sovereign state. We are not the number ONE.

We are subjugated as we don’t stand straight, our traditional, social cultural; religious beliefs upbringing makes us look stooped in front of the developed world. We have no common language. English is not our language, are we English men?

We have huge pool of human resource and natural resources, as the distribution and allocation hasn’t happened as planned resulting to further subjugation.

It’s we who are responsible for our miseries not the west or the then British colonial power.

The state we are in today even CHINA can overpower and rule us for a Millennium.

If we can’t speak out what we want, how to fulfil that want, we will be subjugated though being independent and sovereign.

Mr Murlidharan, it’s good that at the end of your conversation, you have disclosed the source of information, this is an American standard practice.


By Joydeep Dasgupta, Business Development, New Horizon  | 01 26 2011 17:19:57 +0000
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Thanks Shiuli,

I am indebted to know that, unlike one or two others, there are people like you, who are firm in their stand and accept my views.

Also, well said Saibal Ray, our onion prices are controlled by Pakistan (our Agriculture Minister don't have any control)


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 01 26 2011 16:51:07 +0000
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Yes Mr.Dhingra, we are yet to be a consolidated, Sovereign Nation in the real terms! Joydeep tnx for the ref.
By Shiuli Mukherji, Head Strategy Plan- , Region SEA  | 01 26 2011 12:53:50 +0000
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India is not Sovereign nation in practical terms but only in theoretical terms, until n unless the corrupt politicians don't find out a right implementation of policies, nothing can be done of our nation.
By Jasmin Pawar, HR Manager, HR GLOBE CONSULTING  | 01 26 2011 03:07:17 +0000
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ON PAPER ONLY


Lack of self discipline, lack of honesty, lack of ethical leadership, lack of boldness, etc., make us paper tigers only. We are a sovereign nation on paper, but not in reality.


We don't have power to remove the corrupt politician from power. We can't fight terrorism. We are afraid of taking any action against the terror creating nation with the fear that USA may not become unhappy with us. We can't ourselves declare a terror creating nation as a terrorist state, but look forward towards USA to declare that as a terrorist state.


So, where the question arises of sovereignty?


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 01 26 2011 03:02:25 +0000
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Thanks Heena for supporting my views.

Mr. Anantha has also indirectly supported my views when he says, "India is trying-hard-to-be-a-sovereign-nation." In other words, he agrees that in spite of the fact India was declared sovereign 61 years back, but still not been able to become sovereign during all these 61 years. My contention that it is "in paper only" is proved beyond doubt.

Let us see when India becomes sovereign in reality.


By PS Dhingra, CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants  | 01 26 2011 03:00:45 +0000
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