Logos must be defined keeping in mind addressing various cultural issues. A classic brand campagin was by HSBC where in they mentioned the various effects of symbols and colour red and how HSBC as a brand was addressing this cultural difference. I would say Logo's cant be changed but definetly the branding aspects with regards to culture can be looked into.
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Vimal Menon, Head/VP/GM-Marketing, Enthuse Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
| 05 19 2009 05:26:32 +0000
I am sorry but now things are perplexing me, i certainly agree to what Mr Bhave said in the "last line".... but the question is "If Moving Cultures Should we change the Branding of a Product Ex. logo, tags et al?" which i think for sure desreves an answer as yes..... i have mentioned the reasons... what do you think?!!
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Dhiraj Wohra, Dy. Manager, Centum Learning Ltd
| 05 18 2009 18:44:17 +0000
The first Impression of a Product is created by the company by creating or launching a Brand in the market it is the second session when customer perceive the Brand in a perticular way, so it is very important to Brand your product in a way to create a favorable picture in the minds of the customer, otherwise if a Brand Manager doesnt take the task of Brand diffrentiation in his hands you cannot even imagine how scattered personality a Brand could have...... Eg Cigrettes were launched by tageting women as customer, but the machoism evolved it to be for men eventually...... and that created launch of Malboro Man.... so you need to start it how it evolves still depends and how you mold it in the right direction is any other part of the story.................
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Dhiraj Wohra, Dy. Manager, Centum Learning Ltd
| 05 14 2009 16:53:42 +0000
It totally depends on the product, and the catagory brand and the name's acceptance in that society because all societies are not the same...... The logos and identity associated with a Brand is the soul giver to the Product if that where a Brand manager makes a Mistake The entire Brand is Screwed...... Noted Examples: Honda : In 2001, Honda intended to release an automobile known as the Fit in Asian markets as the Honda Fitta on the European market. However, in Swedish and Norwegian, fitta is a crude reference to female genitalia, and the vehicle was re-branded Honda Jazz. An urban legend holds that the Chevrolet Nova automobile sold poorly in Latin America, as "no va" means "won't go" in Spanish. In truth, the car sold just fine, and not even after the supposed change of its name to 'Caribe'. The same is true for Logos, something in some country might sound just right the other might complain of it being obnoxious. Check out 'Brand Failures' written by Matt Haig published by Kogan Page.... and find it yourself.... so Branding is not as easy as we may think it to be... if you want more ex. just message me...
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Dhiraj Wohra, Dy. Manager, Centum Learning Ltd
| 05 13 2009 17:11:08 +0000
Hi Ajit, Kindly READ my post again. Here is the same text again for you "examples: MTv & Google, but Logo design DO NOT CHANGE Drastically, designers play around the logo with various seasonal, events needs, Form of the design remain as it is. Its like same "Subji" can prepared in Punjab with lots of "MIRCHI" & in Gujarat with "Sugar" so it looks same but tastes different!" Where I said that they changed a LOGO, instead my wording says " DO NOT CHANGE..." I would also like to call TOPIC Creator to talk as this TOPIC is NOT CLEAR, actually TOPIC creator should be here & try to discuss with it.
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Bavin , Stratergic
| 05 13 2009 12:50:44 +0000
Consider this, Toyota tag line in India.. "moving forward" or "touch the perfection" Same Tagline may or maynot be marketed in UK or US market. Consider HSBC Bank, Advertisement says, World's Local bank, here bank is marketed in different way by using Brand " HSBC" Volkswagen AG markets itself in India as " Europe's biggest car maker" what do these signify? Have they changed their "Brand identity" for new markets??? Certainly not!! rather indepth new market research has lead these "Brand" names change way of advertisement. Sony is also a good example. "Like.no.other" Brand "Sony" is same everywhere. Marketing strategy may differ from market to market but "Brand" won't...
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NITIN DEOLE, Exec-NPD- PETL(GREAVES COTTON LTD.)
| 05 13 2009 12:10:52 +0000
The Company brand and logo should be unchanged as this is the identity of the manufacturer. If a company has multiple branded products, it can go for a change even with a different product logo in different cultures. This will keep the original brand’s value as it is. Ideally the product should be rebranded to suite those different cultural scenarios as most of these products will be losing it’s original sheen when selling it in different countries to suit their requirement. This will help to keep the Brand Value of the Original product/s as it is. Otherwise a same product/brand will have different qualities and different pricing depending on the markets it sells. I have seen people saying “Oh this product? It’s the cheapest one in our country, how come this as a premium one in your country”.
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Manoj , Branch Manager/Regional Manager Path Infotech Ltd
| 05 13 2009 04:57:11 +0000
Hi Devinder. Certainly not. Take Relience as example. After Ambani brothers started individual affairs, Visual identity also differs. It depends how strong Brand NAME is - a Brand "NAME". You will see I'm at Both side of topic because its like two side of a coin. This differs case to case. Example: My circle knows me (visually), do not matter, what hair style, cloth, shoes I wear. If I wl change my face NO ONE will recognise me, do not matter I wear same things, I talk same. This is call Physical identity, but I will behave same, work will same, skills are same -this is Rational. This mean BOTH are interconnected. So there is a confusion about what EXACTLY we are discussing.
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Bavin , Stratergic
| 05 05 2009 09:43:39 +0000
This is possible with Brands in Entertainment, Internet business- examples: MTv & Google, but Logo design DO NOT CHANGE Drastically, designers play around the logo with various seasonal, events needs, Form of the design remain as it is. Its like same "Subji" can prepared in Punjab with lots of "MIRCHI" & in Gujarat with "Sugar" so it looks same but tastes different! For Consumer Electronics its difficult to do, may be you can try with Videocon, let me know if you want me create some ideas.
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Bavin , Stratergic
| 05 05 2009 08:32:44 +0000
I think that across the nations of the world mindsets remain different..Indians,Americans,Chinese,Brazilians do not think alike! There is no 'one size fits all' branding & each market should absolutely develop its own strategy and there should be different ways to lure people of different cultures.
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Jayant Vishnu, Art Director/Sr Art Director, Creative
| 04 28 2009 11:20:42 +0000
Just like following always the same strategy doesn't reap fruits everytime similarly one position cannot appeal to the whole world.Localizing gives brand an oppurtunity to create meaning within the market,it gives the brand a homegrown feel.Consumers feel more comfortable with local brands as they perceive them to be more related to local needs and cultures.
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Meena Deshmukh, Product/Brand Manager, Videocon Inds
| 04 28 2009 06:28:52 +0000
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Different logos create chaos and may impact the sale of that particular product. One of the perfect example in my opinion is COLGATE, from my childhood I am listening this name, still the household ladies visit a shop to purchase a tooth paste she always ask for COLGATE, that's different that the shopkeeper insist her to sell other tooth paste brand. I think the LOGO as said by SHAJU is for corporate and not for brand name/location. LOGO in my opinion depict the Identity of the corporate house and identity does not change as the name of the individuals do not change, still exceptions are always there.
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Dinesh Raghav, Pre-Press Executive, Eli Research
| 06 24 2009 04:59:26 +0000
Mr. Wohra, What I mean is simple! Do not radically undergo changes if you are planning to sell the rpoduct globally. Cultures should not be the decisive factor but its the emotional success that your brand gets automatically because of the attributes it supports! That alone should be the strength for a marketing strategy. It can differ with emotions but identity should be maintained! Look at how people are travelling today. We are moving global markets and we are getting the best possible talents from abroad. So does Vodafone need to change its colour because RED means danger?? It has simply maintained its attributes and then used the most successful Zoozoo campaign to woo more consumers! Zoozoo are a hit because they arepeople enacting inside the costumes! The emotion of making you laugh, smile or even admire will be the strength the brand will gain!
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Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International
| 05 19 2009 02:17:08 +0000
Mr. Mehta, We are not talking about a TEENY channel like MTV that is watched only for its songs alone and some reality content like Roadies, Splitsvilla etc. Here the universe is bigger. The question has a lot of credibility. You have scores of TVC's that are dubbed in different languages, why? Its just so that the EXACT communication is understood! Anyway, the real reason is not to slug here but to maintain the fact that LOGO or IDENTITY is a feature that a brand has to CONNECT with its TG. Changing that with the seasons will only dampen the spirite of the consumers as the emotion that the consumer has attached to the LOGO or its IDENTITY gets confused!! That is not a good sign for a healthy brand!! It has to maintain its connection and the emotional attachement for the CONSUMPTION to be intact!
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Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International
| 05 18 2009 17:01:32 +0000
Logos is just one thing. We need to keep a consistent feel of the brand, so that it may be identifiled without any problem, anywhere across the globe, any point of time. The brand would have an essence of its own, keeping in mind the colour, fonts, pnemonic etc, based on the philosophy of the brand and the culture it primarily belongs to. Only in extreme cases, like an aquisition or merger or buyout or sellout of a brand , a brand transition may be necessary depending on the new owner,and what the corporate entity wants to communicate to its audience. A consistant brand feel is necessary to carry the central essence of the brand.
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Chandra Shekhar Banerjee, Director- Operations, Insignia Communiactions Pvt Ltd
| 05 18 2009 14:15:46 +0000
for any brand it is not the only logo's or identities that is required.instead, how it is taken / understood by customer is more important and it is irrevelent how it is presented in different locations.
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jairaj shyam prasad, Production Manager, BOSCH Ltd
| 05 13 2009 17:15:53 +0000
Firstly, the logo is used by the companies only for raising the image or recognition of the comapny name. It is not used neither for product nor for culture. Therefore consumer get aware of the brand name and buy the product closing their eyes. Suppose, if a customer notices the Coca cola's logo or Cadbury's logo on any unknown product, he or she will trust this as much as the product that he /she has bought it previolusly. But this expectation may not be the same if different logo is used because this logo may not be known by consumer.Secondly, company expends a lot of money to throw this logo to every corner of the world. So making logo for different culture and to get recognition by every consumer for many logos is too much expensive.
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Manas Ranjan Kayal, SAP BASIS CONSULTANT, IBM
| 05 13 2009 16:20:20 +0000
Hi Nitin. This is the reason I'm again calling TOPIC creator to clear this. Marketing strategy for any product, or services has to diffrent. It can not same, but we are NOT talking about marketing of the product, its about VISUAL IDENTITY of the company. (This is I'm saying, topic is NOT filtered to any level). I request all of the participants here, kindly filter this out. 1. Are we talking about a VISUAL BRAND IDENTITY ? 2. Are we talking about SUB-BRAND/PRODUCT of the particular BRAND? 3. Are we talking about Rational part or Physical part? Let us all clear & than discuss it on filtered level. I'm looking forward for support from all.
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Bavin , Stratergic
| 05 13 2009 13:09:00 +0000
Hi Nitin. This is the reason I'm again calling TOPIC creator to clear this. Marketing strategy for any product, or services has to diffrent. It can not same, but we are NOT talking about marketing of the product, its about VISUAL IDENTITY of the company. (This is I'm saying, topic is NOT filtered to any level). I request all of the participants here, kindly filter this out. 1. Are we talking about a VISUAL BRAND IDENTITY ? 2. Are we talking about SUB-BRAND/PRODUCT of the particular BRAND? 3. Are we talking about Rational part or Physical part? Let us all clear & than discuss it on filtered level. I'm looking forward for support from all.
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Bavin , Stratergic
| 05 13 2009 13:08:38 +0000
A logo is a identification mark of a brand so it does not deals with any culture or cultural difference untill it have a resembelence with some bad cultural message,as a example- there were a big rumor that coca-cola logo written in coke's bottle seems to have a impression like some coments for Allaah in Arabia when we see in opposite direction, well this was just a case but universaly in the time of globalisation it feels like a big joke to have different logo for different culture, we have recentely seen so many new brands like wolksvagaon and others with their own logo and we have accepted it.
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Ajit Pratap Singh, Branch Manager/Regional Manager, Neo Sports
| 05 13 2009 11:51:07 +0000
A logo is a identification mark of a brand so it does not deals with any culture or cultural difference untill it have a resembelence with some bad cultural message,as a example- there were a beg rumor that coca-cola logo written in coke's bottle seems to have a impression like some coments for Allaah in Arabia.
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Ajit Pratap Singh, Branch Manager/Regional Manager, Neo Sports
| 05 13 2009 11:29:15 +0000
Certainly not different logos.... same logo - and identity - but should be localised to the culture - if it is a cosumer product. If it is an enterprise product - then the logo and / or identity should be the same... tagline should be the same... but the ad/PR/Mktg message can be localised....
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Shaillender Mittal, Director Sales, Uniken Solutions
| 05 13 2009 08:58:55 +0000
Definitely Not! the logo is an identity of the company/brand. if the identity keeps changing, the customer loyalty and trust is also hampered. at the same time, there could be a confusion on a global scale about the brand's global identity. in todays time when everyone wants to go global, keeping a brand limited to a local audience would just not increase the brand equity on a global scale and it will also not get its worth. e.g. If Microsoft had different identity all over, the pull which its getting right now would not have been possible for a simple reason that Microsoft USA would not be recognised by Indian market as Microsoft India. which will definitely make Microsoft's Brand awareness and brand building excersise much more active and expensive. Marketing Expenses will not be just 1% - 2%, it will be much higher and the profits would decrease. also, sharing of global credentials would be difficult and confusing. But yes i do support of different products of the company should be branded separately and should be made independent. this would ensure a good product portfolio for the company as well if one product does not do very well than the global image of the company doesnt go down as it also has other successful products in its kitty. But thats just Me !!!
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Ashish Gandhi, CEO/MD/Director, Creative Director, PostBox Communications
| 05 12 2009 07:59:25 +0000
Hi Bhavesh, I agree with you but partially as even Google doesnot change there "corporate identity" it remains the same but they only play around with there logo on there site ocassionally to break the monotony but other then there site its not used anywhere or on any other communication channel. And as you suggested it also depend on the nature of business but most of them will steer away from the idea of "localisation" of logos.
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Suhel Khan, General Manager- Global Sales & Marketing, CDN Solutions Group
| 05 05 2009 11:34:39 +0000
Hi Meena, Here I'm little confused. This more about "Visual". Lets talk a Example to understand more about your Q. A Beauty soap "Lux" - How you want to present LUX in Maharastra & same for in Karnataka? - Are you talking about change a whole packaging design & the way "Lux" logo is for MH? - Do you want to use a Local language for ingredients, address, & all other text on the package? - Do you want to have a Tv/Print Ad using Local culture e.g. dress of actors, looks of actors,overall background? OR You are talking about "UNILEVER" should look different in Maharastra (Or in India it should have diffrent Identity than Africa/USA (Any country), if you take UNILEVER as case study, recently they uniformed themselves as "UNILEVER" (India it was "HINDUSTAN LEVER LTD."). They spend very big amount to create new "Unilever" identity. OR "Unilever" should called "Hindustan Lever Ltd." as before? (Your wording says - BRAND NAMES) To discuss your Topic, we need to filter this at some level.
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Bavin , Stratergic
| 05 05 2009 09:50:12 +0000
A brand should be known by it's logo and other company identity. Consider if Apple logo has us flag print in us and indian in india? Isn't it'll be funny. A little variation with associated elements like papers, banners and advertisement is required as branding events or efforts should be at reagional level but idenity must remain same to carry forward the legacy.
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Amit Kumar Mishra, Project Manager, ViS
| 05 01 2009 05:53:38 +0000
We are talking about LOGO right ??? Then I think the company shouldn't have different LOGOS for different countries. Same should remain for the whole world We are creating an identity that can be recognized by individuals. If an individual is traveling abroad he will be looking for the LOGO than name to recognize his brand...Are we ready to lose loyal customer because of this change in LOGO ??
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Dayanand Deshpande, Senior Consultant, Ernst & Young
| 04 30 2009 10:42:23 +0000
To me, brand loses its identity if it has multiple logos or so. And who the hell shall remember different logos travelling different countries or localities ?
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Devinder , Head/VP/GM-Sales, Hw
| 04 30 2009 06:35:48 +0000
Multiple identities is like having split personalities. At the end of it all, no one likes split personalities. One identity is what is required. You can ofcourse use advertising to portray / project it in different perspectives depending on local flavour.
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Navneet Chandra, Consultant
| 04 28 2009 12:27:15 +0000
I beg to differ with Mr.Jayant.The world is almost thinking alike,thanks to globalisation.Universal branding is the key to brandiong in a globalised economy.If a brand caters to all cultures......then we can call it a universal brand.
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James Masih, Product/Brand Manager, FedEx
| 04 28 2009 11:23:30 +0000
A brand not unified and consistent in its message wastes resources & creates confusion.As the world gets smaller (internet,satellite,tv,travel),brands must conform to one global identity.This consistency helps clients,media & potential employees easily identify the brand.The spillover of positioning & promoting a global identity ensures the best use of resources.
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Neelima Pandey, PR & Media Relations Manager, Group M
| 04 28 2009 11:16:20 +0000
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