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Some times you land in situation where your own argument seems more realistic then the instruction of your boss or employer, now what should one do in real terms if he follows boss then looses buniness if doesn't then job? what should an employee do in this situation?

 
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SHould he follow employer of boss irrespective of logics? Vs should he follow his own argument?
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Yes.. provided we are not taking anything to heart..

Employer has the right to take decisions which often seems illogical to the employee..!!

This can be over-ruled, if the transperancy is high..!


By Satwinder Singh, Program Manager, Confidential  09 21 2009 15:11:04 +0000
 
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Hi Nagpal,

As they say, prevention is better than cure, so the ultimate solution to this problem is that we try not to land into one! And this can be achieved by building mutual trust and confidence, coupled with actions not aimed at showing each other down.

When we are dealing with a 'BOSS' (or employer), it is important to give value to his judgment but at the same time, if you are confident of your opinion, it should be communicated as a win-win. Sometimes, when I have been in such situations, I have taken the ownership to deal (only if I am 100% confident about my logic) and when succeeded, shared it (read 'success') with my Boss. This made me gain respect and minimized future similar issues. However, if such a situation arises despite efforts, it is recommended that you change your 'BOSS' (or employer) - :).

I guess I read this one from a book where the author (I think it was Chetan's One Night @ Call Center but I am not sure, let me check!) had carved a relationship matrix between good boss / bad boss vs employee success...


By Manish Sagar, Head - Business Development  08 25 2009 09:54:53 +0000
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BOSS -One who makes decisions or exercises authority


By Ajay Madhav, Accounts Executive/Accountant, Dept of Treasuries  | 12 30 2009 19:19:09 +0000
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Decision making is Employer's prerogative. Employee can put forward his views and try to convince his employer about the right track and that too if the working environment permits it, but the final decision lies with the Employer, which must be followed.


By akshaya bhatia, HEAD IT, Mega Cabs-GROUP MEGA Co., In a transit mode now  | 10 23 2009 10:16:37 +0000
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he probably follow his boss in that situation ,but to explain the situation in more realistic way make some way that he will think about it.but he must explain the situation that ensures his commitment to improve the business


By venkatesh.chityala , electrical shift supervisor, the andhra sugars limited,chemicals and fertilizers division,kovvur  | 10 12 2009 18:29:03 +0000
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Yes this is a kind of principal.. Boss is always right.. i am fully agreed with you Mr. Satvinder..


By varsha , Head/VP/GM-Quality, frac  | 10 12 2009 16:11:30 +0000
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Yes, Boss is always right as they are in same field for many years and having expertize regarding the same. You may suggest our own opinion, if it would be valid than it would be taken into consideration but first we have to listen Boss as he/she has got higher position than us.


By prakashraj kumavat, MBA/PGDM student, Omegan School of Business (ICFAI Tripura)  | 10 12 2009 14:50:36 +0000
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I ALS BELIVE BOSS IS ALWAYS RIGHT


By HARISH , Production Manager BLUE STAR  | 10 12 2009 13:14:19 +0000
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How would it be to follow your own decisions and then finally to later discover that it went wrong?  It could cost the organization heavy damages not just monetary.  Bosses generally come with responsibility, accountability and experience which help them make decisions.

If you feel your boss is wrong in taking a particular decision, you must talk to him and make him understand the logic behind your understanding as to why you feel the decision taken by him is wrong.  Your boss might have a different perspective of the situation altogether.... It is better to have consensus with your boss before trying to act on your own decisions.


By Hari Prasad K, Head - Managed Services & IT Solutions  | 10 12 2009 10:32:44 +0000
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yes he should follow his boss's decision. because that time employer (boss) is master of his job.and he can't do anything without her respective permission, it's make his thought  closier to employer. and if he is faithfully to his boss and he is fully confidence on his argument  then he should follow his own rule.


By Imran , Associate/Sr. Associate -(Technical), infotech pvt. ltd.  | 09 23 2009 17:17:48 +0000
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The level of the subject & the level of the individual has a say in such questions. In case of strategic decisions where the individual has submitted all the informations and the decision is taken by the boss, acting on the decision will be correct, especially on pricing, credit etc., At the operational level on many occassions an individual may require to take tactical decision, that time in the interest of the organisation, we can amend the approach provided we ensure the results.

However, practically the success rate of the decision taken by the individual in the past, will have a pronouncing effect for such leniency

 


By G Thiruvenkatachari, Head of HR, HCK Group of Companies  | 09 23 2009 04:15:12 +0000
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In any organization the line and staff functions should be well defined. The staff should help line authorities by frankly sharing the data available with them along with their recommendations. In doing this they have to be honest, efficient, frank, dispassionalte; i.e. strictly professional.

The line authorities should consult the staff and use their specialization in arriving at sound decisions. In doing so, they use not only the advice of the staff but also policy decisions, future plans etc., that are known only to them. The line authorities generally have higher qualifications and broader experience and contacts. So 'decision taking' is the job of superior authorities. 

And, there is nothing personal in the process of decision taking. Both the staff and line functionaries should learn to work objectively without taking everything personal. The staff should willingly cooperate with the line authorities, once decision is taken, irrespective of the fact whether it is in accordance with recommendations or against it.


By Kumbakonam S Venkataraman, Associate Editor, Dynamic Youth online magazine  | 09 21 2009 23:35:03 +0000
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YES, every employee must follow employer of boss irrespective of logics as BOSS is always RIGHT.


By KUMAR SAURABH JHA, Manager-HR & Admin  | 09 21 2009 07:09:41 +0000
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I don't agree ,since I have seen them getting fired and then they do what boss likes.I have not supported your argument at all,I am not commenting on intelligentsia of any one ,as far as intelligentsia is concern 1st choice is always engineering,doctor,then after getting degree from any try to become IAS,IPS ,IF FAILS IN 1ST CHOICE ,GOES FOR OTHER,

I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS AND GO IN DETAIL FOR THESE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THUMB DOWN,WHEN U ARE ALSO SAYING WHAT I SAID EARLIER.


By SB DIKSHIT, STATE QUALITY MONITOR, U.P.R.R.D.A  | 09 20 2009 07:29:26 +0000
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What I wrote was for the govt.employees,not for bank employees,it is still correct in govt service and whenever bank officers are present in DM's meeting ,they say yes sir ,even if the DM is wrong ,without arguing ,they keep mum and say yes sir,instead of pressing thumb down.


By SB DIKSHIT, STATE QUALITY MONITOR, U.P.R.R.D.A  | 09 19 2009 14:57:50 +0000
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Usually the employer is  the company & all companies have an objective which decides the course of action, process &  logic that needs to be followed. While joining any organisation it is imperative to check if your objectives are in line with the ones of the company. THe boss is just a chain in hte heirarchial level to achieve the same. If the argument with the boss is in line towards achieving the set objectives then you have all the right to insist on your point; but if is contrary then ultimately the employee will loose out.


By santosh kumar, Marketing Manager, AUTOMOBILE  | 08 28 2009 06:05:53 +0000
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Dear Mr. Amit,

I do not think it to be baseless. It really seems to be a practical dilemma and hence one needs to have his views clear on this topic. I have seen such situations and have learnt that all an employee needs to do is act what the situation demand. Even after explainig his version of the understanding the senior is firm on his point then so it be. Still somewhere it should be exibited that whatever the employee was trying to discuss, as per his view it was in the best interest of the organisation.

Thank you.


By Chetanram G. Shewale, Buying and Merchandising - Ecommerce, CBL  | 08 28 2009 04:59:55 +0000
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It all depends upon organisation culture. If organisation culture is fully transparent or open where any person can share his/her views without any restriction of hierarchy then I think you should support your own argument if you think whatever your suggesting is really beneficial for the company.

In an opposite scenario where business culture is just opposite and barriers are made through hierarchy I think you should follow boss argument irrespective of logic. If don't do his you will make bitter relation with boss may be you will be fir..... . Support yourself first rather than the company. I think these think happen in all the lala's (Indian term) company. That's you find slow growth and very few innovation's in these kind of companies. Exceptions are always there......


By Deepak Agrawal, Consultant, Independent Consultant  | 08 26 2009 09:30:13 +0000
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It is strange here, that learned professionals here all are talking about the employer in isolation. We are forgetting that the employer has his own people to report and his objectives; however big he is.

It is the alignment of the employer and employee with the ultimate objecctive which is important. in case the suggestion by employee is good, and he is able to counter the employers orders in terms of the objectives, there is no reason employer will not listen to him.

in case the employer does not listen, he has the ultimate alternative of changing the job.


By siva raman, Snr Finance Manager, Energy City Qatar  | 08 23 2009 19:35:50 +0000
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There is nothing wrong in presenting one's views but an employee should never forget that the final decision will of the boss....


By Rakesh Chakraborty, Sr. Associate, ING  | 08 04 2009 13:07:29 +0000
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Employees should follow employers orders to the extent possible, but it employer is Enron-ing the stakeholders them employee should blow the whistle.


By Viktor Stephen, COO, I Entrepreneur  | 08 04 2009 10:57:48 +0000
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boss is always right,if not right even then he is right.


By SB DIKSHIT, STATE QUALITY MONITOR, U.P.R.R.D.A  | 08 04 2009 10:56:43 +0000
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Employers hold certain rights over employees. Quite often employees land up in this situation of complying to the Employer's instructions which are against his logic. The frustration levels that an Employee go through however depends on the nature of the issue that is disapproved.  Strategic decisions that affect the Organisation's performance and mere suggestions have to be weighed separately. When the latter can be ignored, the former assumes relevance. Here the Employee should attempt convincing his Employer of his opinions supported by good examples. If he is extremely sure that the Employer is moving away from logic which will result in irrecoverable loss or damage, then he can try a persuasion technique through other Members in the Management who can influence the Employers' decision. Such employees whose suggestions are later valued will definitely be considered added assets, and their opinions will be sought in similar occasions.


By Resmi Maxim, GENERAL MANAGER - OPERATIONS, SI PROPERTY (KERALA) PVT.LTD.,  | 08 04 2009 08:50:04 +0000
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well, this is so confusing state, one has to take decision for the sustainability of the process, so how to proceed?


By Nagpal Singh, Sales and Business Development, Babel Group of companies  | 08 03 2009 13:37:04 +0000
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Of course employee should go with his/her own logic.Because every human being has own individuality.If he/she has the valid point for urgument then they should go with their own path.But if somebody has urguing nature,has the tendency to urgue with his/her seniors always then i wont agree.Because any big project to be done everyones mind should be assembled otherwise it cant be done.But if he/she finds it unfair to comply with his/her seniors,then they should stick with their own valid logics.


By roumi chatterjee, asst commercial executive, century plyboard india ltd  | 12 30 2009 07:55:05 +0000
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emplyee should put up his arguments regarding given instructions if he is not satisfied the reason. At this type of discussion knowledge will be increased & situation will look very clear in both after that relation of problems & their solutions will be closed & cretical position will have not to do face in future.

 

Sudha Asthana


By Sudha Asthana, Administrative & Dcumentation Officer, Research Trsting & Calibration Laboratory, ANABL Accredidted Lab, A Division Of Metal Handicrafts Service Center,Under Ministry  | 09 23 2009 09:37:48 +0000
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Thats the right thing to do, no doubt about it! Sometimes it doesn't sound practical when the situation is very critical? All the Vedic literature & teaching of the great Saints in the past also preach that, come what may happen, but one should never leave the way of Truth ! Also its equally true that one who follows this principle always faces hardship & lands up in deep trouble ?? So, what I think is that one who has good confidence in self & in his views / ideas should always stick to it, but at the same time be prepared to face the consequences that may occur !!!


By Avinash Kulkarni, Academy Head, TUV Rheinland (India)  | 09 23 2009 04:10:13 +0000
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I think there are various ways of looking at this situation. It all depends on the outlook of the person who is in such a situation. However, what plays an important role here is the kind of rapport that an employee has with his employer. For example - If an employee is efficient and a good performer, than employer will surely pay heed to his logic, however if an employee is a man of words , than employer will have less trust in his actions and may not accept his logic.

The other situation can be when there are ego issues between employer and employee, in such a case an employer can compel the employee to go by his instructions irrespective of the fact how logical arguments employee might have put in front of him.

Also. what plays an important role over here is the organisational culture.

So, my ultimate suggestion to an employee in such a scenario will be -

1)Firstly, assess the kind of relationship you enjoy with your employer.

2)Are you a good resource?

3)What is the culture of your organization? Does it welcome ideas from associates.

4)How confident are you about your argument? Can you support your argument with relevant data.

The answer to all the above questions will help the employee to decide whether he should follow his own argument or not.


By Swati Aggarwal, HR Executive, ADP Private Ltd.  | 09 21 2009 10:03:11 +0000
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This also depends on the environment. Like in an ad agency, there are brain storm session and one needs to be upright in positioning his/her point to the better prospect of businness keeping all the related scenarios in mind. The way one presents his point is very crucial, it has to be mild, thoroughly studied & direct, which should not give an impression of fear or too sugary. Just to the point. Ofcourse the boss & the head shld also be receptive. 


By Smita M, Copywriter  | 08 08 2009 10:28:10 +0000
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This is a base less argument. Before concluding the decision there are numerous factors to be taken into a/c:

1. Experience of the employee. If say, employee isn't experience in the business than may be his or her view is not appropriate at that point of time, which only an experienced employer can understand.

2. In any business environment there are countless personalities. You are limiting your option by saying that boss will always talk illogic. It isn't like that!

3. The relationship (trust and confidence) between employee and boss.


By Amit Agarwal, M.Sc Management and Marketing, Lancaster University Management School  | 08 05 2009 15:06:42 +0000
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It is not necessary for an employee to do things which do not satisfy his consciousness. He can express his viewpoint to his employer which may also able the employer to rethink his decisions


By A R Vinayak Das, Civil Engineer, Consulting Engineering Services (I)  | 08 04 2009 13:09:25 +0000
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I believe that this is a pretty diplomatic situation, instead of saying "no" to the boss or seeing them down one should handle the situation professionally and patiently. Everyone has suggestions and his own logics and one should respect that, maybe he thought about the logic from some other perspective which you are missing. So, rather than trying to prove someone wrong, one should try to project the  things/logic that is correct. And this has worked out for me while dealing with seniors.


By Ajay , Business Analyst, Tata Consultancy Services (TCS)  | 08 04 2009 12:44:10 +0000
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I dont think so that an employee should follow the wrong logics,if boss says that its correct.An employee should be confident and positive about his arguments,and should make it possible for his boss to follow him.Bcoz if emplyee will always follow the boss is right statement,then he can never no his potential and can never grow.Moreover now a days,arguments are being taken seriously.


By Rashmi koul, Assistant Project Controller, MWH  | 08 04 2009 09:35:07 +0000
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