Yes, I agree with Meena that brands reflect the social issue.Because bradns can change ur living style and ur attitude and any other things which is related to our social issue. And our socialism i depend upon our behavior, attitude etc.
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Mayank pundir, Software Developer, Tatva Infosolutions [P] Ltd.
| 08 28 2010 01:29:15 +0000
Dear Mr. Bhave , I am sorry if you equate debating with conflict. Speaking for myself , I like to exchange ideas with other intelligent people , as a way of keeping my mind sharp. I am very wary of people who agree with me , because that way I will never know if I am wrong. I am sorry if you think this is preaching and in any way intended to insult you. If you are interested to know more about Marlboro , please check out this link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlboro_Man Regarding condoms , my point was that the packaging for condoms does not in any way reflect any concern for AIDS. I am willing to stand corrected. Every wall which is dirtied with spit has the message "Do not spit" on it ! So graffiti should not be the basis for evaluating condoms.
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K. NARAYAN, None, None
| 04 13 2010 08:03:43 +0000
Dear Mr. Richhariya , Your argument is laughable and I will not try to debate on it. Using your argument , I should also verify that a bottle of mineral water which is marked "Produced on 24.12.2009" was actually manufactured on that date !
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K. NARAYAN, None, None
| 04 12 2010 07:47:22 +0000
One very successful example of CSR is the e-Choupal project of ITC. There are several other examples of big industrial houses like the Tatas and the Birlas coming to the help of poor students. Consider the example of fireworks - today most responsible manufacturers label their products with the message "Manufactured without using child labour". Such manufacturers should be patronised rather than those who continue to use child labour in their operations. There are paper manufacturers who promote recycled paper ; there are matchstick manufacturers who promote reforestation using a part of their profits. All such socially responsible initiatives need to be encouraged rather than saying that social work is only for NGOs ! Today the IPL has successfully married entertainment and cricket to generate huge profits for everyone - players , sponsors and the cricket boards. Is this also to be condemned ?
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K. NARAYAN, None, None
| 04 12 2010 07:00:18 +0000
A brand or a product that is represented by the brand has relevance at the most basic level only on social values. Personal, familial, social (and so on) hierarchical values determine how we sell and what we sell and why we buy. So yes, brand must have social relevance.
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RAMESH KANDADAI, Principal Consultant, ARM Consultants
| 04 12 2010 03:31:21 +0000
The topic is too genral to converge the argument, it is difficult to reflect social issue for a brand selling lipstic, but same get changed when u are talking about food.Hence, yes brands should reflect social issues but can not be generalised.
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Munawwar Hussain, Commercial Manager, Al SAWANI
| 04 11 2010 14:10:51 +0000
Yes you are right Ms.Meena. The brands are very well associated in the minds of the customers and hence it should reflect the social responsibilities. The brands can create a collection of feelings & perception about quality, image, life style, and status in the minds of the customers. Therefore, it will add more value to the brands in case of incorporating social values & responsibilities while brand building.
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NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, AREA SALES MANGER, UNIFLEX CABLES LTD
| 04 11 2010 11:49:44 +0000
Dear Mr. Manjunathan , I think you are confusing two issues here : we are not discussing whether advertising is good or bad ; we are discussing whether advertising / brands should have a social message to them or not. Whether companies advertise or not , whether they promote social responsibility or not , they are in business to make profits. And their profits will come out of the common man's pockets. Companies like HUL have annual advertising budgets in crores of rupees. Do you think that this money does not come out of your pocket ? Whether you accept it or not , companies will spend money in promoting : a) their brands b) their image While they are doing this , it is better if they also promote good causes , those which benefit some section of society. You can call it robbing Peter to pay Paul !
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K. NARAYAN, None, None
| 04 11 2010 03:46:23 +0000
You know social media is not a passing fad. The question facing your organization is not why we should listen and engage in social media, but how do we do this? Social media affects all areas of your business and different skill sets are necessary. The enterprise must socialize internally, but how do you determine who represents the organization externally?
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ravindra shrivastava, Information Systems(MIS)-Manager, iifs pvt ltd
| 04 10 2010 09:14:49 +0000
I strongly believe that by creating social awareness about issues related to public welfare can give a gr8 boost to the brand image and a better brand recall.For example, Tata Tea ads, Idea Cellular ads.
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Parul Agarwal, Freelancer, Freelancer
| 04 10 2010 09:07:09 +0000
Dear Mr. Manjunathan , Teaching good values is never hypocrisy ; hypocrisy is talking about good values and practising bad values ! Any company which walks the talk should be appreciated and admired. Any company which promotes good ideals such as family planning , child education and is against evils such domestic violence , female infanticide , addiction to liquor , drugs , smoking , ... should be appreciated. You can be a hard-core businessman , and still be moral and ethical. The second wealthiest man in the world , Bill Gates , has so far donated nearly $20 billion for good causes ; would you term this also hypocrisy ?
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K. NARAYAN, None, None
| 04 10 2010 08:53:15 +0000
Dear Bhave , Condoms very rarely advertise by talking about protection from AIDS ; most of them talk about the pleasure that using a condom will provide. All the initial ads about Marlboro never spoke of cancer as a side effect of smoking ! Today , there is more awareness about the ill-effects of smoking , and cigarette ads are much less enticing than they were in the past. Ads should be based on right values ; fun is OK , but not at the cost of morality and ethics. Would you condone liquor ads which used teenage models ?
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K. NARAYAN, None, None
| 04 10 2010 08:41:53 +0000
Thanks for the referral Ms Meena, Lots of people purchase a particular product just because a particular celiberity is attached to the brand or the product is of a certain brand. The brand should conceive ways to promote themselves in such ways that the marketing should not be boring and dull, and at the same time take care that social responsibilities are taken care.
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Dr Ali Ahmad, Medical Superintendent/Director, Surbhi Hospital
| 04 10 2010 04:52:23 +0000
Its a complicated choice, for an entrepreneur, the aim is to make profit. If he is doing it in the legal and right way there is no problem. But if he moves in the wrong way, just like AXE, (which shows womens just like they are mad on men's fragrance and ready to do anything for him) its wrong. Certainly the brands should have to consider social issues when create an add etc., no doubt in that. But we cannot say 'you must consider'. There are some brands showing social issues in their adds, like 'TATA TEA'. In its add it strike against the peoples who are not voting but criticizing the government. They also show why the scam is increasing and whose attitude to be changed. I respect them for showing such kinds of add although they use it for popularity. In my view it will be better if brands decide to go through social issues through their add. If not they have the responsibility to make sure that their add won't create any.
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jinesh vinayachandran, Assosiate Professor, Matha College of Technology
| 04 09 2010 17:20:55 +0000
yes i agree bcoz product become brands by the society .so if brand create a social mater it will help in the growth of brands as well as society
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Davies francis, Analyst, self
| 04 09 2010 15:31:50 +0000
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A communication has to be based on the benefit of the brand. But the marketers often go overboard and bring social issues which creates an unusual repercussion among the groups / communities in the society. This is an exploitation. The company is supposed to serve the society in apositive way. Even many bollywood films are being done on the changing circumstances of the society. It may be ok for business but who measures the impact on the society. Think about Slumdog ... film.
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Amiya Chaudhuri, Company Partner , ADUNIQUE 76
| 06 27 2010 11:26:46 +0000
Dear Mr.K.Narayan, If I read & understood you correct, you mean despite of the message “Do Not Spit”, people spit & dirty the wall! And that’s the point that only wishing and talking won’t help. We are wishing, brands would talk on Social (Indian) Issues for no gain. Please also be clear on one point that we are talking of Indian Issues. A website is global and wouldn’t have any statuary warning, however hoardings and packs sold, legal way, in India will surely display the warning… Even if you make law for all those issues, still people would do it. Campaigns (Brand Building & Issues) can be supportive if a basic work is on. Now you want oppose it to prove your point may be to satisfy your ego is your choice…
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Rajesh K Richhariya, General Manager, Sales & Marketing
| 04 13 2010 09:46:35 +0000
Dear Mr. Narayan, I have deep regards for you please understand that. I like the way you handle yourself and I am simply awed by your hold on the topic that you enter into for discussion. I have opposed you before and I have also agreed with you and I am here opposing you again!! Please do not be sorry I quite like our interaction and I mean that. Re: Condoms, you stand corrected. Re: Marlboro I am chexcking the link and will reply back!! Thanks once again :))
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Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International
| 04 13 2010 08:48:07 +0000
Hello Mr. Narayan, Do you spell conflict with a K?? Purely inquisitive from your initials in the name :) On both the counts you are completely wrong. Marlboro hoardings always have a statutory warning. We choose to ignore it. Condoms as the preventive action for AIDS is written, scribbled and even boldly advertised on walls everywhere. I feel that you have a penchant to rub people the wrong way for the fun of it and maybe some semblance in understanding the nature of the person with the way he / she reacts to your comments. I quite like to oppose / agree with you provided your logic suits mine!! Thanks for the comment anyway :))
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Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International
| 04 13 2010 07:05:33 +0000
I am very sure no where I have said advertisement is good or bad, I have put forth my point of view regarding social message and its ill effects on consumers' pocket.when you are burdening consumer just to preach known social message,why encourage such plans,more ever we Indians know very well and it is protected and practiced at every home since 5000 years. Cultural awarness is there in every Indian's blood and why one should be made to pay unnessarilly?
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c.s.manjunthan , BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER., ENTREPRENEURSHIP
| 04 12 2010 13:30:17 +0000
Dear Mr. K. Narayan, Toostep is a forum for argument, do it. We put our view points, nothing personal against you. Wishing & Talking can't resolve issues? We have to work collectively on issue to issue basis, one by one...
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Rajesh K Richhariya, General Manager, Sales & Marketing
| 04 12 2010 09:37:40 +0000
Is it possible for all the brands to follow some social reponsibilities? Or the point is for corporators to return some profits back to society or to make the product based on social issues? Do indian consumers will bother about whether the company manufacturers its product and whether it is managing for continued sustainability through attention to economic, environmental, and social performance. Recently a report submitted to the Kerala government pointed fingers at Coca Cola for having caused socio-economic damage amounting to Rs 216.26 crore at Plachimada village in Palakkad district of Kerala. I think Governement can play a good role in facilitating the development of corporate social responsibility. If I am right, Gujarat goverment has already initiated this step. Anyway Meena, a very good topic to discuss
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Manoj Kumar, Sr: Manager - QA, ARCHETYPE GROUP, INDIA
| 04 12 2010 07:40:31 +0000
Dear Mr.K.Narayan; Do you mean that merely printing that manufactured without using child labour is the proof that children are not used as labors? Please find the facts... enough to change your stand. This would happen that we just pass on the buck to brand building or something else… go lax and in reality do nothing for the issues. All tobacco producers need to mention on every box of cigarette “Can cause cancer, Injurious to health etc." did any smoker left smoking seeing the box, at least I don’t know.
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Rajesh K Richhariya, General Manager, Sales & Marketing
| 04 12 2010 07:40:29 +0000
Rosy miss ka kutta mar gaya.... Daag achchhe hai na! And so many other ads of daag achchhe hai na have given a message of love, chivalry; But could they do any good is a big question? Issues needs to be worked, ads can’t replace work. Brand building has its own requirement; you need to work. Even if established brands stop working they also loose battleground. In my opinion; asking brands to build social issues is like trying to get rid of our own responsibility.
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Rajesh K Richhariya, General Manager, Sales & Marketing
| 04 12 2010 06:08:28 +0000
THEY PREACH... WE PAY ! ITS A PERFECT " ANDE KA FUNDA "... Enough is Enough... Brands use this SOCIAL MESSAGE TOOL, only for their Own Benefit, they are more certain of getting more EYE BALLS on their otherwise placid campaign. SOCIAL MESSAGES should only be left to the NGO's, as it perfectly suits their Aim & Purpose. Brands using SOCIAL MESSAGES is their way of getting more sympathy towards their Product... which would result into More SALE... which would result into more MONEY ! If that is right then my equation is = SOCIAL MESSAGE = MORE MONEY ! Happy Debating Friends !
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Naushad H.L., Creative Director, MAD COMMUNICATION
| 04 12 2010 05:53:38 +0000
Dear Narayan, Please stop preaching like a priest, don't personify youself into a hypocrite, it appears you are good at giving big big examples and quoting known names,but at the same time have you ever realised who are the end payers for the entire campaign? it is the common man. Every brand reflecting social issue and its promotion expences are included into each brand's end price,do you agree for this or believe companies spending funds from their pocket?
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c.s.manjunthan , BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER., ENTREPRENEURSHIP
| 04 11 2010 03:03:52 +0000
By the way who are these people to teach society?let businessmen do pure business, let them not become hypocrites to teach society how to lead life.What is the bargain, is selling their products in the name of social issues.Please recall before the TV arrived in India what was the lifestyle of Indians and after the arrival of TV in India,ie., today what is the life style,people didnot change overnight ,people adopted westeren lifestyle influenced by the businessmen's advertisements,gradually and inturn sold their goods in huge quantity,made huge profits.Now social issue is the new mask these businessmen wants to inculcate to make profits.
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c.s.manjunthan , BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER., ENTREPRENEURSHIP
| 04 09 2010 17:59:39 +0000
Isnt using condoms enough of a brand prea ching you about the vagaries of AIDS?? Please let the brands be the fun, communicative emotion sucking actors that they are.. No more moral preachings than that which we read in media and toostep included :)) I also believe there was a very similar debate earlier posted on this platform.
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Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International
| 04 09 2010 13:07:37 +0000
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