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First of all I would like you to change your side as your comment says you are against it but you have definitely supported the 'for' side. Why should marks not be important? What about those who work hard to get good marks. Marks are also a way of marking ones potential isn't it? It deserves some value.
By Sheetal Bhandari, BE student, PSG College of Technology Coimbatore  06 29 2011 11:36:06 +0000
 
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THOSE WHO GET GOOD MARKS, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE INTELLIGENT. THEIR WAY OF EDUCATION IS MEMORIZING THE ENTIRE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND SIMPLY WRITE DOWN IN AN EXAMINATION HALL. WHEN AN INTERVIEWER ASKS ANY LOGICAL QUESTION THEY FAIL TO ANSWER. SO HAVING GOOD MARKS IS GOOD TO SOME EXTENT BUT WHAT ABOUT LOGICAL SKILLS. HE/SHE HAS GOT GOOD MARKS, BUT SUCH EDUCATION DOES NOT HOLD ANY WORTH, BECAUSE HE/SHE FAILED TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGICAL REASONING BEHIND A SUBJECT, THEN WHAT IS THE VALUE OF EDUCATION.

WHEN ANY COMPANY IS HIRING A CANDIDATE, EDUCATION QUALIFICATION AND TECHNICAL QUALIFICATION SHOULD BE SCRUTINIZED WHETHER A CANDIDATE IS QUALIFIED ENOUGH FOR THE POST OR NOT THEN ONLY HE/SHE WILL BE APPOINTED.

MOREOVER IF A CANDIDATE BELONGS TO A TECHNICAL FIELD MARKS DO NOT MATTER , BECAUSE ITS ALL ABOUT SOLVING TECHNICAL PROBLEMS AND MOST OF THE COMPANIES ASK FOR ANY GRADUATE.

SO MY ANSWER IS MARKS CAN BE IGNORED!!

THANKS FOR REFERRAL....



By Sairam. M, System Administrator  08 07 2011 21:00:25 +0000
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Marks should get the required weightage @ the time of campus interview,.

I support your views, sheetal & thanks for referral.


By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 07 22 2011 11:22:09 +0000
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In software field or any field if you are under graduated or if you even got a single arrears throughout in degree courses your resume will not be shortlisted by Hr dept,campus placement is mainly depends upon the depth of knowledge gained in studies which pronounced in your percentage of marks displayed in certificate,group discussion,language and technical knowledge is of extracurricular activities
By VIMALAN , Construction-Construction Management, PARSVNATH DEVELOPERS LTD  | 07 10 2011 13:49:14 +0000
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Definitely till we have a year round grading system which just awards grades and till cut-off marks are done away with in professional colleges. The simple way out would be to have continuous assessment throughout the year and award grades instead of having a final public exam. Then have an entrance exam that tests students on the chosed field be it medicine or engineering. Award seats to those who pass in descending order. A report has just been released in TN by Anna university that out of all the school students who passed with flying colours in their 12th board nailing 200/200 in maths last year have just averaged 40% in the 1st year engineering maths. This just goes on to show the mindless application by rote as practised in various schools to chase the elusive cent percent marks. Schools dont bother whether the candidate actually understands the concept or not !
By Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group  | 07 03 2011 17:26:43 +0000
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As per the question should marks be given importance - ans is :"YES", but the caveat here is "do the marks reflect in numbers the student's ability to undertake a task?. The ideal way to do this is use the marks as a valid cut off so that the shortlisting can be done then actually take an appropriate entrance test which can help companies to identify whether the student has the ability of coping with the assignment. However one serious concern is that the present marking system still has some lakunas and does not project the student accurately.
By Niraj S Kakkad, Manager - Investments  | 07 01 2011 06:59:50 +0000
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Sheetal though I agree with your statement at the same time on today's competitive world mark is the ideal yardstick for admission in higher studies. 


By Rathin Deb, Freelance Retail Consultant  | 06 30 2011 05:49:38 +0000
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The answer to this question is a "Yes" as well as a "No". In India, the so called moral society's theory is "once a thief, always a thief". That means, if you indulge in "(quoting from Shyam - hooliganism, campus politics, girl chasing etc"), you are always a failure. It is also true that a good student (up to class 10 or 12) can suddenly fail without any of the "good qualities" that Shyam has mentioned. Kaliyamoorthy has put this in a right way "an intelligent student fails to secure high marks due to various extraneous conditions available then" - it could be that the student is angry, sad,depressed,hates traveling to college/univ etc etc.

In the western world, you will always get a 2nd chance, 3rd chance, 4th chance, and even nth chance for an entry level job but not in India. So, in India if a student suddenly becomes mature and responsible at the age of 20 or 25 or 30 or 40, he has no hope because our society (reflected in policies of company HR) will not give that guy/girl a second chance. This leads to this kind of fight like "whether marks should be given importance in a campus placement". Those who have good marks will say "Yes" and those who don't have it will say "No". The draw back of this kind of hiring based on marks alone is the creation of a strange "workforce" (hired based on marks) who will soon loose motivation because they have nothing more to achieve. At this point the management fumbles not knowing how to motivate its work force even though they know that the guy who lost campus a few years back now has good marks, good experience, ideas and skill but they are unable to hire him because once upon a time he did not have good marks.

Honestly - a company should hire what is best for them even though it may or may not be on marks alone. This debate on marks reflects hipocracy of Indians, it has no real "meaning".


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 06 30 2011 05:44:25 +0000
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Yes it should put equal affect on your placement. It shows your sincierty and your basic knowledge. If you are not studied then you might got job but during the job you will face very difficulty regarding your subjective knowledge. which used on daily basic.. It may also not effact while you are doing selling or any product but used to do marketing of any product or any company.
By ROHIT ARORA, EXECUTIVE-FINAICIAL REPORTING & CONTROLLING  | 06 30 2011 05:29:18 +0000
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YES, but it should not be a first/last criteria to filter out. Rest of the skills to be checked. If candidate has other abilities then numbers should not act as major hurdle.
By Nilesh Jain, Project Manager, A Leading Media/Telecom Co.  | 06 30 2011 05:22:23 +0000
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Succinctly,i would say yes.The reason being campus placement does not bring out best of the candidate unless he or she performs some assignment. 


By Mohammad Bakhsh, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, Freelancer  | 06 30 2011 04:06:54 +0000
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Marks is a grading system established in University / College / School system. There are many factors that induces student to secure good ranking in the lists. But, it can be seen easily by scrutinizing one's academic performance, how one's cognitive domain is developed. Many a time, we see, even, an intelligent student fails to secure high marks due to various extraneous conditions available then. But, for that, one need not be neglected.Campus interview takes all these into consideration while screening the students for the job for which the individual is seemed to be fit enough. Merely, nobody is considering the marks on its face value for any jobs. It always reflects other attributes of the Individual while conducting the Interviews in the Campus. The grading system available in college & the performance measurement scale that the interviewer uses best decides the quality of the candidates.Internal assessment, I hope, help the students & the campus selection people very much. The assessor(professor) & the interviewer looks the positive intonation of a student.

Thanks for referral Ms. Sheetal Bandari.


By KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed  | 06 30 2011 03:49:44 +0000
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Marks can't be ignored but again it depends on the way and the process of exam taken by the colleges.
By Pankaj Gupta, RO, American Express  | 06 29 2011 18:28:02 +0000
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Marks are important to certain extent only.  It shows that the candidate was industrious in the studies and concentrated on the job on hand.  But now a days most of the recruiters conduct their own entrance examinations, conduct interviews after passing through it.  So this criteria may not be as important as being thought.


By kanukurthy sudershanrao, Operations Manager, Andhra Bank  | 06 29 2011 17:09:19 +0000
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The topic of the debate could be re-worded to say should marks be the sole criteria for selection during campus placement. Then obviously I would support no. Marks do give an indication of the performance. In professional colleges marks are awarded in different sub-heads:- Theory, Practicals, assignments given during the semesters etc. A good performer can definitely be chosen from the marks obtained and then compared with others who obtain marks in the same range. The selection definitely depends on a number of other traits:- The approach in problem solving, GK, IQ and last but not least the EQ.


By Pradeep Saran, Technical Expert  | 06 29 2011 15:14:40 +0000
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Marks do indicate how sincere you have been in your academic life. If someone has not been sincere enough, it is likely that he or she won't make a good employee either. So, a cut off must be there. You are in college for your academics. If you don't study and indulge in so called "extra curricular" (like hooliganism, campus politics, girl chasing etc) : you don't deserve to be hired. That doesn't mean I am saying higher marks reflect a good hire! However, 5 pointers/ 6 pointers are a strict no-no.
By Shyam S, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, A leading EDA firm  | 06 29 2011 12:31:52 +0000
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NO , MARKS SHOULD NOT GIVEN PREFERENCE AT THE TIME OF PLACEMENT,BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN THE PROFESSIONAL INSTITUTE ,THE STUDENT ARE NOT BEING MARKED ACCORDING TO THEIR POTENTIAL, INSTEAD THE FACULTY ARE MARKING ON THE BASIS OF THEIR PHYSICAL APPEARANCE,THEIR DRESSING ACCORDING TO THE GENDER, SO ANY HOW THE STUDENT ARE MANAGING TO SECURE TOP MARKS, BUT WHAT IS FACT IS THAT THE STUDENT WITH THE AVERAGE MARKS ARE COMPARATIVELY MORE BRILLIANT THAN THE TOPPERS,TOPPERS ARE JUST LIMITED TO WHAT THE SYLLABUS IS ,FOCUSING JUST ON MARKS BUT NOT ON EXPLORING MORE AND MORE, THEY ARE EVEN STRUGGLING WITH THE BASIC CONCEPT. THIS IS WHAT I EXPERIENCED
By ARIF QUADRI, BDS student, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF FASHION TECHNOLOGY KANGRA  | 06 27 2011 03:29:20 +0000
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Marks alone will not be useful for analysing the skills of the candidate.The companies should see whether the candidate is capable to work with the concern and he is adoptive in nature. Refer the case of Bill Gates,
By Chockalingam.S , Sr. Executive HR ,, Mechcicadd Engineering (P) Ltd  | 07 22 2011 12:11:32 +0000
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Marks are an indication of how well a person has fared in exams. Knowledge levels and practical application can be assessed during an interview. Thus there is no need to assign significant importance to marks. Secondly, marks do not reveal a candidiate's attitude. Role plays in interviews can give some idea (may not be perfect).
By Ajay Chaudhari, Chief Executive Officer, Adroit Consultants  | 07 02 2011 04:43:26 +0000
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Man makes marks but marks do not make man.Suppose you were true,then we do not have Newtons,Einstein,Faraday,...Just have look into their life,I make you sure your all doubts will be cleared.
By Ranjeet Kumar, B.Tech Mech. Engg,Kurukshetra University  | 06 30 2011 15:25:23 +0000
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It's not important that the person having good marks will be fulfill the specification of jobs.
By pragati parihar, MBA/PGDM student, banasthali university,jaipur  | 06 30 2011 15:15:32 +0000
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Very sorry dear Mr. Nagpal Singh they don't go to school even and if you have seen them in your school then please rethink on your thinking as this might be a boomerang statement for you even. 


By Ardhendu Pal, Upgrading Knowledge Base, Researching in Computer Software/Hardware  | 06 30 2011 12:54:33 +0000
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I think they should look for All rounder students more than book worms!! A student having average or more than average marks in all fields should be considered first.Life is difficult out there...its difficult to survive today on books only!
By Rohit Thakur, Electrical Engineer-Industrial, Quality Engineering and Software Technologies  | 06 29 2011 18:40:43 +0000
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MARKS IS ONE OR THE PARAMETERS AND IT HAS ITS OWN WEIGHT AGE.


By sudhakar , BUSINESS CONSULTANT  | 06 29 2011 17:05:01 +0000
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Mr. Shyam S 

Would you have a kind attention on this fact? 

One can get his marks rewritten or can get a completely different mark sheet with good numbers and percentage  by hacking the college website or by bribing the higher officials. And this is happening in current scenario.


By Ardhendu Pal, Upgrading Knowledge Base, Researching in Computer Software/Hardware  | 06 29 2011 12:37:37 +0000
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Marks must never be important as they can be secured in any ways and apparently in today's education system even the schools promote the habit of cheating, so there must be entrance tests instead of relying on this marks and grading system. This is only the marks which creates an insecurity feelings and an inferiority complex and on the ultimatum demotes a student to commit suicide. Hence I advocate the entrance system not marks. I'd like to share my personal story to make it more clear. While I was looking at my class 12th results I was shocked not to find me the topper in-spite of being most brilliand boy in our whole class but in the 7th position, then everyone of us given the entrance of my college where I was having the rank of 242 and the next one was one who stood 3rd and the rank was somewhere close to 980s and the follower was among the 1100s. How did this happened that a boy of 7th position zoomed far ahead of the one who was the topper and who was out of the first qualifying list? Only marks, which is for sale in these days.
By Ardhendu Pal, Upgrading Knowledge Base, Researching in Computer Software/Hardware  | 06 29 2011 12:19:31 +0000
 
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