@Mir Arif, You are deviating however, I will start a new thread and hope we will get people there for healthy discussions. Something which does not exist does not have an answer...(GOD)=(DOG) :P
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 07 01 2011 11:03:57 +0000
@Mir Arif,
You are so proud of Zakir Naik. Please have a look at this video below:-
Zakir Naik speaks the "TRUTH" 2+2=4 so, Islam is the best.
One of the most hilarious logic by a Religious Preacher :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHpd2T7mi5c
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 07 01 2011 10:50:17 +0000
Comparing and Contrasting Atheism & Religion:
Some of these characteristics are more important than others, but none is so important that it alone can make a religion. If atheism lacked one or two of these characteristics, then it would be a religion. If lacked five or six, then it might qualify as metaphorically religious, in the sense of how people follow baseball religiously. The truth is that atheism lacks every one of these characteristics of religion. At most, atheism doesn’t explicitly exclude most of them, but the same can be said for almost anything. Thus, it’s not possible to call atheism a religion. It can be part of a religion, but it can’t be a religion by itself. They are completely different categories: atheism is the absence of one particular belief while religion is a complex web of traditions and beliefs. They aren’t even remotely comparable. So why do people claim that atheism is a religion? Usually this occurs in the process of criticizing atheism and/or atheists. It may at times be politically motivated because if atheism is a religion, they think they can force the state to stop “promoting” atheism by eliminating endorsements of Christianity. Sometimes the assumption is that if atheism is simply another “faith,” then atheists’ critiques of religious beliefs are hypocritical and can be ignored. Since the claim that atheism is a religion is based upon a misunderstanding of one or both concepts, it must proceed from flawed premises. This isn’t just a problem for atheists; given the importance of religion in society, misrepresenting atheism as a religion can undermine people’s ability to understand religion itself. How can we sensibly discuss matters like the separation of church and state, the secularization of society, or the history of religious violence if we don’t adequately define what religion is? Productive discussion requires clear thinking about concepts and premises, but clear and coherent thinking are undermined by misrepresentations like this.
And now Mir Arif, Can you please answer my curiosity about Islam in the form of questions I have posted?
Before comenting u have to check the authenticity of the website. More than half the total %age of website on internet have invalid information. they are run as islamic websites, against Islam, to spread bad word about islam .
So you mean that they are false and you and your Islam is right?
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 07 01 2011 10:36:52 +0000
Prayer and Other Forms of Communication: Belief in supernatural beings like gods doesn’t get you very far if you can’t communicate with them, so religions which include such beliefs naturally also teach how to talk to them — usually with some form of prayer or other ritual. Atheists don’t believe in gods so obviously don’t try to communicate with any; an atheist who believes in some other type of supernatural being might try to communicate with it, but such communication is completely incidental to atheism itself. A Worldview & Organization of One’s Life Based on the Worldview: Religions are never just a collection of isolated and unrelated beliefs; instead, they constitute entire worldviews based upon these beliefs and around which people organize their lives. Atheists naturally have worldviews, but atheism itself isn’t a worldview and doesn’t promote any one worldview. Atheists have different ideas about how to live because they have different philosophies on life. Atheism is not a philosophy or ideology, but it can be part of a philosophy, ideology, or worldview. A Social Group Bound Together by the Above:
A few religious people follow their religion in isolated ways, but usually religions involve complex social organizations of believers who join each other for worship, rituals, prayer, etc. Many atheists belong to a variety of groups, but relatively few atheists belong to specifically atheistic groups — atheists are notorious for not being joiners. When they do belong to atheist groups, though, those groups aren’t bound together by any of the above.
~CONTD~
@ Mir Arif,
First of all, Atheism is not a religion like Islam, Christianity, Hinduism. I will give you a very good answer to your question about Atheism. You should know what Atheism is all about at the behest.
Many Christians, Muslims, Hindus seem to believe that atheism is a religion, but no one with a fair understanding of both concepts would make such a mistake. Because it’s such a common claim, though, it’s worth demonstrating the depth and breadth of the errors being made. Presented here are the characteristics which best define religions, distinguishing them from other types of belief systems, and how atheism utterly fails to even remotely match any of them.
Belief in Supernatural Beings: Perhaps the most common and fundamental characteristic of religion is a belief in supernatural beings — usually, but not always, including gods. Few religions lack this characteristic and most religions are founded upon it. Atheism is the absence of belief in gods and thus excludes belief in gods, but it does not exclude belief in other supernatural beings. More important, however, is that atheism does not teach the existence of such beings and most atheists in the West do not believe in them. Sacred vs Profane Objects, Places, Times: Differentiating between sacred and profane objects, places, and times helps religious believers focus on transcendental values and/or the existence of a supernatural realm. Atheism excludes believing in things that are “sacred” for the purpose of worshiping gods, but otherwise has nothing to say on the matter — neither promoting nor rejecting the distinction. Many atheists probably have things, places, or times which they consider “sacred” in that they are venerated or esteemed highly. Ritual Acts Focused on Sacred Objects, Places, Times:
If people believe in something sacred, they probably have associated rituals. As with the very existence of a category of “sacred” things, however, there is nothing about atheism which either mandates such a belief or necessarily excludes it — it’s simply an irrelevant issue. An atheist who holds something as “sacred” may engage in some sort of associated ritual or ceremony, but there is no such thing as an “atheist ritual.”
~CONTD~
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 07 01 2011 10:28:21 +0000
@ Mir Arif,
Please do not call me a Hindu. I am a hardcore Atheist and my father was too.
For me Mahabharata, Ramayana are bed-time stories told to me by my Grand Mother and Grand Father when we visited them in the village on vacations when I was a kid and was going to school...:)
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 07 01 2011 09:51:59 +0000
@Konkan: Allah has promised in the Qur'an : "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption)." [Al-Qur'an 15:9] Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A. - Radhi Allahu Taala Anhu) - May Allah be pleased with him who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur'an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur'an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh). The complete Qur'an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur'an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur'an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit. Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur'an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur'an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice. It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur'an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions. Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur'an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur'an being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur'an during the period of the third Caliph Usman (r.a.). Usman (r.a.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur'an, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet's wife. Usman (r.a.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur'an when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit (r.a.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (r.a.) to the main centres of Muslims. There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur'an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman (r.a.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur'an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur'an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur'an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey. May Allah Grant us Understanding...
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 07 01 2011 09:50:36 +0000
Muslims and other Theists could try answering this
Q1: Do you feel all the laws stated in quran is good?
Q2: Do you know that they still stone people to death for crimes?
Q3: Do you know they still ampute and behead in some countries?
Q4: Do you know there is still death penalty against gays/lesbians in many countries?
Q5: Do you feel that polygamy is a good practice?
Q6: Do you believe beating your wife should be sanctioned by law?
Q7: Do you know that a woman needs four witness to prove her claims? (rape or otherwise)
Q8: Do you know that, Islam that you talk about is nothing but an Arab thing. the way Muslims wear dress, language even the names are Arab. Islamization is actually Arab imperialism. Do you know they Arabs still; come to Malabar and keep wives there for 2-3 weeks?
Q9: Why do you think Muslim women are so downtrodden?
Q10: Do you know that in Mecca even in 1925 there was slave trade? It was finally banned in 1952?
Q11: Do you know that slavery is sanctioned by Islam?
Q12: Do you know that in until sometime back women in Kuwait were not allowed to vote?
Q13: why women make less than 5% of workforce in Saudi?
Q14: Do you know that non-Muslims are not allowed to testify in court?
Q15: Do you know that "Women may not testify unless it is a personal matter that did not occur in the sight of men."? The reasons given by Saudi government are: " 1.Women are much more emotional than men and will, as a result of their emotions, distort their testimony. 2.Women do not participate in public life, so they will not be capable of understanding what they observe. 3.Women are dominated completely by men, who by the grace of God are deemed superior; therefore, women will give testimony according to what the last man told them. 4.Women are forgetful, and their testimony cannot be considered reliable. 5.Women's heads are smaller than men's, and thus their brains are smaller corresponding to their lower IQs"
Q16: Women are not allowed to drive?
Q17: Why is it that "freedom of expression" &" democracy" so hard for most Muslim nations to digest?
Q18: Do you know that if you try to spread other religions in Saudi you can go to jail. But the same hypocritical govt spends billions in building mosques, madrassas and other activities across the world and I am sure even in Kerala (How they spread wahhabbism)
Q19: Do you know that more Muslims kill Muslims than the so called Jews or Christians?
Q20: And one simple question according to Islam will mahatma Gandhi go to heaven?
Q21: Do you know that Muslims are allowed to have unlimited wives or concubines? Only 4 Muslim wives but unlimited others?
Q22: Do you know that if you apostate (i.e convert from Islam to other religion) the punishment is death?
Ok...now its not personal just some musings that I have.:)
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 07 01 2011 09:39:39 +0000
@ Mir Arif, I will give you prove of this article with references. I don't just say it like Zakir Naik.
References:- JOURNALS -
1. Abid, Abdelaziz; “Memory of the World”: Preserving Our Documentary Heritage. Museum International, Vol. 49. Blackwell Publishers, Oxford.
2. Dreibholz, Ursula; A treasure of early Islamic manuscripts on parchment. Significance of the find and its conservation treatment. AIC Preprints of papers presented at the 11th annual meeting in Baltimore.
3. Dreibholz, Ursula; The Treatment of Early Islamic Manuscript Fragments on Parchment in The Conservation and Preservation of Islamic Manuscripts, Al-Furqan Islamic Heritage Foundation, London
4. Dreibholz, Ursula; Preserving a treasure: the Sana’a manuscripts. Museum International. Islamic collections. Vol. LI, No. 3, July. Blackwell Publishers. Oxford.
5. Whelan, Estelle; Forgotten Witness: Evidence for the Early Codification of the Qur’an. Published in The Journal of America Oriental Society. January to March Issue. University of Michigan.
Source of the article:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/16/ancient-quranic-manuscripts-of-sanaa-and-divine-downfall/
The link contains all references.
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 07 01 2011 09:14:51 +0000
@Mir Arif, check this out. Until now, only three ancient copies of the Qu’ran are found. The one preserved in the British Library in London, dates from the late seventh century and was thought to be the oldest one. But this one, what I am going to explain is even older. Moreover, these manuscripts are written in a script that originates from the Hijaz – the region of Arabia where prophet Muhammad lived, which makes them not only the oldest to have survived, but one of the earliest authentic copies of the Qur’an ever. Hijazi Arabic is the script (Makkan or Madinan) in which the earliest Qur’an was written. Although these pieces are from the earliest Qur’an known to exist, they are also palimpsests (manuscripts on which the original writing has been effected for re-use). the House of Manuscripts (Dar al Makhtutat) was founded close to the Great Mosque, as part of a cooperation project between Yemeni and German authorities. An enormous endeavor began to restore the Qur’anic fragments. It took 13 years, approximately 15,000 out of 40,000 pages were restored, specifically 12,000 fragments on parchment and manuscripts dating back to the seventh and eighth centuries. Restoration of the manuscript has been organized and supervised by Gerd R. Puin of Saarland University, Germany. Puin is a renowned specialist on Arabic calligraphy (the study of fine and artistic handwriting) and Qur’anic paleography (the study of ancient writing and documents). For ten years he extensively examined those precious parchment fragments. His colleague H. C. Graf V. Bothmer joined him. The rare style of fine and artistic handwriting had fascinated both Puin and his friend Bothmer but more surprise was waiting for them. When these ancient Qur’ans were compared with the present standard one, both of them were stunned. The ancient texts were found to be devastatingly and disturbingly at odds with the existing form. There are unconventional verse ordering, small but significant textual variations, high unscientific informations and errors, different orthography (spelling) and different artistic embellishment (decoration). It scattered the orthodox Muslim belief that the Qur’an as it has reached us today is quite simply “THE PERFECT TIMELESS, AND UNCHANGING WORD OF GOD”. IT MEANS QURAN HAS BEEN DISTORTED, PERVERTED MODIFIED CORRECTED AND ADDED HUMAN IMAGINATION BY PURELY HUMAN HANDS!! Then also Islamists made 100s of wrong statements and errors in the present book.!!!
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 07 01 2011 09:05:17 +0000
@ Mir Arif, for yur kind perusal:- List of notable people who left Islam for ever. Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein el-Akkad – Former Egyptian Muslim sheikh.
Magdi Allam – Italy's most famous Islamic affairs journalist.
Hussain Andaryas – Afghan Christian activist and tele-evangelist.
Josephine Bakhita – Roman Catholic saint from Darfur, Sudan.
Sarah Balabagan – Filipina prisoner in the United Arab Emirates during 1994 – 96.
Fathima Rifqa Bary – American teenager of Sri Lankan descent who drew international attention in 2009 when she ran away from home and claimed that her Muslim parents might kill her for having converted to Christianity.
Abo of Tiflis – Christian activist and the Patron Saint of the city of Tbilisi, Georgia.
Don Juan of Persia – Late 16th and early 17th century figure in Iran and Spain.
Utameshgaray of Kazan – Khan of Kazan Khanate.
Yadegar Moxammat of Kazan – Last khan of Kazan Khanate.
Sayed Borhan khan – Khan of Qasim Khanate from 1627 to 1679.
Simeon Bekbulatovich – Khan of Qasim Khanate.
The Sibirsky family – The foremost of many Genghisid (Shaybanid) noble families formerly living in Russia.
Maria Temrjukovna – Circassian princess, and second wife to Ivan IV of Russia who was born in a Muslim upbringing, and baptised into the Russian Orthodox Church on August 21, 1561.
The Shihab family – Prominent Lebanese noble family. The family originally belonged to Sunni Islam and converted to Christianity at the end of the 18th century.
Jacob Frank – 18th century Jewish religious leader who claimed to be the reincarnation of the self-proclaimed messiah Sabbatai Zevi, and also of King David. Frank publicly converted to Islam in 1757 and later to Christianity at Poland in 1759, but actually presented himself as the Messiah of a syncretic derivation of Shabbatai Zevi's Messianism now referred to asFrankism.
Walid Shoebat – American author and former member of the PLO.
Hassan Dehqani-Tafti – Anglican Bishop of Iran from 1961 to 1990
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 07 01 2011 08:56:38 +0000
@Konkan: u made me laugh... u r a hindu n i m a muslim... i dont think there is any blame in calling "spade a spade"... Muslims have been given teh word of Almighty Allah - the Koran and that is supplemented by the Hadith(sayings of prophet mohammad(SAW)), and that is sufficine tfor a muslim to be on guided path. Yeah, there are certain misconceptions in everyones miond and those can be removed/cleared by the knowing people and Dr.Zakir naik is one of them. It is an obligation upon me that what i hear, i clarify it on ma own by again going to my religious scriptures and then accept it and follow it. I can not listen to any TOM Dik $ Hary and believe him what he says. I have reference of Allah-The Koran as a standard and the sayings of prophet (SAW) and i can measure ervry bit and piece against these standards and act accordingly. Now as far as Facebook is concerned, Dear Konkan- it is FAKEBOOK and i dont really care people calling Anybody as Somebody and Somebody as ANYOtherBody... i beleive wat i see and what i have faith in... Now coming to ur religion again, with due respect a true hindu has to believe in one and only one God and Mohammad(SAW) as his messanger, Give up idiolatory, stop alcohal and there are so many bad deeds too. u can go and check ua books here are some references for u: Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1 Bhagavad Gita 7:20 Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9 Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19 Yajurveda 32:3 Yajurveda 40:8 Dear Konkan Singha: It is so easy to know the actual truth in this modern world but the problem is that we dont want to see it , we dont visualize the things. we tend not to come out of the comfort zone . May Allah Grant u true knowledge about true religion -ISLAM
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 30 2011 14:42:31 +0000
@ Mir, You are blaming me by telling me a Hindu. I agree with you regarding One God philosophy, Sanatan is the universal philosophy and in the scriptures of Sanatan you do not find any mention of Mohammad. zakir Naik deciphers it and it is being put forth in such a way that you people believe in it as it involves Islam and you guys get carried away in anything that is Islam. Naik presents it in such a way that you have no alternatives but to believe in him. Tell me why is Mohammad in the Sanskrit scriptures. Why he is not there before when Islam came into picture? You will find a lot of thrash in youtube by zakir Naik. He is not to be believed.
If you really want to know about Islam than I would suggest you to give up Zakir and check this convert from Texas called Yousuf Estais. Zakir naik is also known as Joker Nalayak in various forums in facebook, orkut and other forums.
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 30 2011 14:12:36 +0000
@Konkan: Zakir Naik talks truth dear.. there are references of Quran in his talks. We see most of the religious books are tampered and hence modified by people as per their own wishes. All religious book other than quran are challangable. Since u hav mentioned Sanatan Dharma, do u follow it urself. It says ther is one and only one God and there is no image of him, do u believe in that. Dont u worship the idols and chellange the uniaueness of Almighty... Dear if u look in ur religious books and try to follow what is comman part- leave apart the differences, i am talking just about the common part in ur and our religion Hindu and muslim religion or what so ever other religions. lets do that part first, then we can fix the differential part. Ur religion says there is one and only one God and Mohammad(SAW) is his messanger- do u believe in this common part???
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 30 2011 13:56:28 +0000
@Konkan: It applies under caetain conditions and principles). My question is But why and by who has got the authority to do that? See if a person leaves Islam, and then tries to spread bad about Islam he is liable of punishment, but It is not a must to execute the Apostate. he can be let go, even at the time of Prophet Muhammad(saw) the apostates were forgiven. My earlier link wil clear your doubts... u wud like to chk it here as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coux2mS4tbg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vmrr1ICtJo&feature=related plz go through the links and ur doubts wil be cleared
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 30 2011 12:34:11 +0000
@Kaiser, Major religion preaches that there is only One God and Mohammad (peace be upon him) is the last and final messenger of God, Idol worship, alcohol etc is prohibited by all major religions.
Don't you think the Taliban follows the "True Koran" as it is? They seems to be following Islam exactly as it is in the book?
I find them more religious than other Muslims and they are following Mohammad and his life.
Tell me one thing, the legal age of a girl to get married in Iran was nine which Ayatollah endorsed however, later, the Iranian Government relaxed it to Eleven years as legal age of marriage. Don't you think it is wrong as an Eleven year old is not fully grown and it will be considered as an act of Philadelphia?
I am talking of Ayesha's marriage with Mohammad when Ayesha was 6 years old and Mohammad was around 52 years.
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 30 2011 08:40:35 +0000
We have to save Muamar Gaddafi for the stabilization of Power equally, I do not know how many of you share this view with me. But it is the need of the hour to stop the Elites from exploitation and I request Turkey to pull out of NATO ASAP. Turkey is the key country in stabilizing the whole situation in the Middle-East and Africa.
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 30 2011 07:15:45 +0000
@Kaiser, There is often little coverage of the "No religious denomination" category (which includes deists, agnostics, atheists, and theists) although some evidence suggests they are growing rapidly. In the U.S. the so-called "Nones" are the fastest growing religious status.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 30 2011 07:07:35 +0000
@Arif, When I say the "ELITE", I mean the "ELITES" of now, the present age. The Rothschildes, The Rockefellers, The Bill Gates, The Morgans, The CIA, The FBI, The Central Bank of England, The Federal Reserve, The US Government, The Bilderberg Group.
N.B: ISRAEL IS THE BRAINCHILD OF THE ROTHSCHILDS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8kTa9UkpXo
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 30 2011 06:58:38 +0000
@ Mir Arif, (It applies under caetain conditions and principles).
My question is But why and by who has got the authority to do that?
@ kaiser, Who said Islam is the fastest growing religion? Why are you not looking at the percentage of people leaving Islam at the same time? Most of the well-educated people from almost all the Muslim countries and especially Pakistan and Iran are Apostate.
Remember the death of Salman Tasheer, the then Governor of Punjab. He was an Atheist and was killed by a moron in the name of Islam.
This is another group created by one of my friend from Pakistan. Please have a look at it and if possible you can debate with the Apostates..
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=121589568807
Founder of this forum is Andaleeb Rizvi
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=514794546
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 30 2011 06:21:59 +0000
@Kaisar - Nobody is against Islam or any other religion. Islam is as good as any other religion and as bad as any other religion.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 29 2011 14:25:55 +0000
I'm not able to understand that why are some people against the Religion of Peace i.e., Islam, blindly. They must realize early that Islam is the fastest religion spreading in the world particularly in the west. We must know also that western countries spent 70 percent of their money on research. Then why are they following the religion of Islam when there is nobody to force them. This is all because they read Quran & Hadith by heart. Furthermore, their research brings them nearer to the religion of Islam, and their misconceptions get cleared by reading the sacred scriptures./
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Kaisar Ahmad Mir, Program Manager, Jan Shikshan Sansthan (ANHAD)
| 06 29 2011 13:46:52 +0000
Dear, we should not make stereotypes, it is obvious that there are black sheeps in a community. If we start to discuss there is a mammoth of cruel incidents in Kashmir at the hands of Indian Govt. through para-military forces. We should not go against religious scriptures. For the sake of argument, do you know that during 90's a whole village of District Kupwara (namely, Kunanposhpora) faced a great tragedy at the hands of para-military forces. The women of the whole village were raped, even teens and old women were not left. Till date no action has been taken against the para-military forces, who did all this. Islam preaches non-violence both Holy Quran and Hadith. But one can only understand by accepting that God is one and Idol worship is prohibited and also going through all these sacred scripture. Otherwise, Blame Game is very old Game, which everyone is playing nowadays.
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Kaisar Ahmad Mir, Program Manager, Jan Shikshan Sansthan (ANHAD)
| 06 29 2011 13:27:10 +0000
@ Mir Arif, I agree with you what is happening in Kashmir and most importantly in Palestine and in Iraq.This war is not against religion, it is a war between the Elite and the poor. More things to come as we will notice it throughout the middle-east and the Sahara...
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 29 2011 09:50:20 +0000
@Mohan: Dear plz refer to my earlier coments about the ISLAM. Dont judge it by imperfect people. refer to the below link. http://thebosnianwarfactstimelinehistorygenocidecriminals.wordpress.com/2006/11/30/mass-rape-of-bosnian-muslim-women/ witness the truth, and u need not go far away... chkout wat has happened in kashmir... It is all politics we are discussing and not the religion.
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 29 2011 04:53:34 +0000
@Arif: Your comment "Fine agreed for the sake of argument... Wat abut India then , killing innocents in kashmir... Is that not prohibited in evry religion not to kill children and innocents..." One cannot use religious scriptures to run a government. If that is the case, innocents are killed in Pakistan too, isn't that against the Quran.??
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 28 2011 19:08:46 +0000
@Arif: Your comment "same quran teaches us not to marry a non-muslim be it a woman or a man.". There are plenty of muslims marrying non muslims and the opposite - they are rich and powerful and hence quaran got suspended for them by paying the religious jokers(priests) a few hundred rupees. Your comment "regarding u saying common man needs to be perfect... r u a common perfect man or did u try ever so?" I am not a perfect man and I am not trying to be one...I have my own rules and regulations. Look - I do not follow a religion BLINDLY period
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 28 2011 19:00:20 +0000
@Arif: You haven't understood Quran properly. You are equivalent to our Baba Ramdev who has been reading Ramayan and Mahabharat for several years but nothing has gone into his head.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 28 2011 18:52:53 +0000
@Arif:Islam is the only perfect religion - I disagree...all religions including islam are perfect. What is the use of Prophet Muhammed being perfect, Jesus being perfect, Ram being perfect,Buddha being perfect,Guru Nanak being perfect.....common man has to be perfect.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 28 2011 18:35:29 +0000
@Arif: Pakistan has cheated by grabbing a part of Kashmir and Allah says "If one grabs wrongly a little measure of his neighbours land, will be garlanded by Allah with the weight of seven layers of earth until he meets the Almighty unless he repents and withdraws his misdeed." - Will Pakistan agree to this....so let us not quote allah.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 28 2011 18:20:22 +0000
@Arif: Your comment "@All : it is haram ( forbidden) for muslim man to marry from unbeliever women and also for muslim women to marry from unbeliver man , Allah (SWT) says in surat El-baqara verse no.221 " Arif, Allah has said so many things - are you guys following everything word by word? Basically, you follow whatever is convenient for you AND so are all these so called self appointed religious angels from all religions.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 28 2011 18:15:48 +0000
@Arif: "Problem is Monkey and Donkey dont marry... ". Assume a monkey is a muslim and a donkey is a hindu and vice versa...
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 28 2011 16:40:23 +0000
@Arif: Suppose a monkey and donkey were to get married, we have 4 options for their children - their children can be called:a).MonkeyDonkey b).DonkeyMonkey c).MonkeyMonkey d).DonkeyDonkey. So, it should be the Monkey and Donkey which should decide what their offspring should be called, right? Why should some monkey or donkey worry about it?
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 28 2011 16:19:39 +0000
Lolz, Muslims do not know about the "Down Syndrome" marrying relatives of near and dear ones which will eventually lead to a generation of least develop brains in the years to come... :) "Down Syndrome"..
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 27 2011 13:20:41 +0000
It is claimed by some historians that Jodha was not Akbar's wife, as is shown in the film. The great Mughal emperor Akbar had three historians during his rule who recorded the history of their time -- Abul Fazal wrote the Akbar Nama, Abdul Qadir Badayuni wrote the Mutakhabutawarikh and Nizamuddin Ahmed (also called Nizamuddin Bakshi) wrote the Tabqat-i-Akbari. None of them have mentioned 'Jodhabhai' in their books. "These books were written in Persian and there is no mention of Queen Jodhabai. There is no proof of her in history," says Dr S M Azizuddin Hussain, history teacher at the Department of History, Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi [ Images ]. So how did Jodhabai come about? "In the Akbarnama, there is a mention of Akbar marrying a Rajput princess of Amer but her name is not Jodhaa," says historian and director of the Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library, Imtiaz Ahmad in Patna. She is referred to as Mariam Zamani (Mary of the Age). This is a title and not a name. It further says that Mariam Zamani is a title referred to the lady who gave birth to Prince Salim, who became Emperor Jehangir. But the name Jodha is not mentioned anywhere. "The name Jodha first came up in the 19th century when Colonel Tod, a Britisher, and not a professional historian, mentioned Jodhabai in his book Annals and Antiquity of Rajasthan," Ahmad adds. "Colonel Tod depended on bardic literature (folk literature) of Rajputs and he mentioned Jodhabai for the first time here." Interestingly, the royal family of Jodhpur [ Images ] openly stated that Jodhaabai did exist, and that she married Emperor Akbar. At the music launch of Jodhaa Akbar, Padmini Devi of the Japiur royal family acknowledged the fact that Jodhaa existed and it was this matrimonial union that brought an alliance between Mughals and Rajputs. When told about the incident, Dr Hussain said, "If that is the case then the royal family should publish their history and share the information with historians." Meanwhile, a section of the Rajput community have their own version of who Jodhabai was, and want to ban the film from releasing in Rajasthan. Lokendra Singh Kalvi, who heads a Rajput outfit called Sri Rajput Karni Sena, says, "None of Akbar's 34 wives were named Jodhabai. Akbar married the former maharaja of Amer, Bharmal's elder daughter Karkbai alias Heer Kumar in Fatehpur Sikri on Feburary 6, 1562. Prince Salim was born in 1569. Jodhabai was the daughter of Moteraja Udai Singh and she would have been three years younger than Salim and hence, in no way could she have been his mother." Quoting Emperor Akbar's biography, and a National Council of Educational Research and Training's Class XI history book on medieval India by Professor Satish Chandra, Kalvi claims Jodhaa was not Akbar's wife, as depicted in the film. According to him, Jodha was married to Salim, Akbar's son. "Thus, she was Akbar's daughter-in-law. So depicting Jodha as Akbar's wife is not tolerable," Karni said. Former chairman of University Grants Commission and noted historian Satish Chandra stated that Gowarikar's film could, at best, be described as a work of fiction, and not a document of history. "Jodha was not Salim's mother, and hence the film is not based on historical facts," Chandra said. However, he did not agree with those who wanted to ban the film in Rajasthan. According to Chandra, the name Jodha was given to her because she came from the state of Jodhpur. Asked why there were no protests when Mughal-e-Azam was released in India, and Jodhabai (Durga Khote) was shown as Akbar's (Prithviraj Kapoor) wife, Chandra says, "Those days, resources were limited. Now, the historians can find out the truth and bring it to light. In any case, the film was based on fiction, as there was no character called Anarkali, who had an affair with Salim," he pointed out.
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 27 2011 09:46:22 +0000
"You can bring some one into religion at the same time no one is allowed to go out of the religion. "
This is where the muslim religion fails miserably. There should be only one personal law in a country, but the Bharathiya Jokers Party need not score points on this as they were in power twice. Muslims bribed these jokers so that the jokers made this noise only when they are in the opposition. That is why these jokers sometimes say "he does not listen to us,she does not get along with us..." - all these means he/she did not pay them or paid less. Double Standards at its BEST.
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 27 2011 07:02:01 +0000
I FULLY SUPPORT THIS STATEMENT.EVERY BODY IS FREE TO ADOPT ANY RELIGION THEY WANT TO.SO WHY NOT IN THE CASE OF MARRIAGE?IF A NON- MUSLIM WOMEN DESIRE TO MARRY A MUSLIM SO WHY TO REACT?AS FAR AS RULES OF ISLAM IS CONCERNED THE WOMEN SHOULD ACCEPT ISLAM. LOVE AND RELIGION ARE TWO OTHER PART OF THE LIFE. LETS NOT INTERMIX BOTH OF THEM. . IT'S A MATTER OF THE WHOLE LIFE.LET THE PEOPLE ENJOY IN THEIR OWN WAY.
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ARIF QUADRI, BDS student, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF FASHION TECHNOLOGY KANGRA
| 06 27 2011 03:55:06 +0000
I fully support the contents of what Mr Ramesh has written. The debate has been stretched length and breadth and to say the least complicated. But constructive debating is an art. There is a special problem when debating social, psychological, political, or religious ideas because a person's theories about these matters presumably have some effect on his or her own life style.We should void use of terms which can be interpreted differently by different readers.Quoting an authority is not evidence. Quoting a majority opinion is not evidence Any argument that starts with, "According to Einstein..." is not based on objective evidence. Authorities and majorities can be wrong and frequently have been We should avoid emotionally charged words--words that are likely to produce more heat than light. The debate is as simple as it appears that "marriage is a union of love".Did any body question Akbar the Great and Shahrukh Khan the Actor .
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Mohammad Bakhsh, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, Freelancer
| 06 25 2011 13:36:56 +0000
@Abdul, Do you know from which website I did copy this? And one more thing, if you are a follower of Zakir Naik than please give me a *sigh* of relieve as he is a nut. here is a link, have a good look at it. It is founded by the Ex-Muslims who have been tortured by the so-called Islamic Fundamentalist from all over the world. www.faithfreedom.org
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 25 2011 07:59:33 +0000
@Abdul Moyeen Khan - Alright, in that case here is a link to the attacks on minorities in egypt by fox news(whose second largest share holder is a muslim)http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/glenn-beck/transcript/beck-christians-suffering-egypt I have nothing more to say on this topic and I stand by what I wrote " ..that if you give any religion more importance than it deserves, then it becomes a poison".
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 25 2011 07:48:01 +0000
I agree with you on this subject, about music and Sufism...:) And where as reading Koran is concern, I do not want to argue on that as we all know what is there in Koran. I apologize with you if I have hurt your feelings. The only person who interprets Koran to its zenith is Yusuf Estais, I am sure you know him too...:)
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 25 2011 07:25:40 +0000
@Abdul Moyeen Khan - you cannot claim that nothing is happening in Alexanria, here is a report not from an RSS operated site but from a reputed organization called time:http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2040491,00.html Religion should always be given only a minimum importance by its followers, if you try to give it the importance it does not deserve, then it starts to become a good "POISON"
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 25 2011 07:22:40 +0000
wise words, wud really like to meet you face to face some day, but don't say you have read Qu'ran i know you haven't lets leave it there shall we. About getting irate n stuff this is an old trick of psychology i use it every day but in a healthy manner. One suggestion though, you like music, try to listen to what Sufi s have to say, then again you wud say music is forbidden in Islam. And I wud say its is matter of debate among us Muslims too. This time pay attention cause you might learn something useful.
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Sama Asif, BD Manager, infonet softech
| 06 25 2011 06:52:38 +0000
@Sama, You are getting irate, I know that it happened with so many of my friends when they came to know the reality of Islam.. Ok nevermind, Ok tell me, Sama, Can you silence these Apostate friends of mine from India and across the border? And now please do not Tell me that they do not know Koran.. I have read Koran and Hadith as well...:)
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konkan SINGHA, Head- Talent Acquisition (IT), OptedJobs
| 06 25 2011 06:32:29 +0000
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@kONKAN, Let me clear your misconception that GOD is not a proper word for our Creator because it can be manipulated as Gods, Godess etc these words doesn't exist in "Holy Quran". The proper word which is used for our Creator in our Holy Book is "Allah". Allah is a Holy word for our Creator which can not be manipulated in any way with s or ess etc, because there is no plural or opposite word for "Allah" in Arabic language. There is logic behind 2 + 2 = 4. But can you prove that there is any logic behind GOD = ( which U mentioned in ur argument). If so then please give me logic behind the following: Konkan = Naknok. Also, do you believe in Science or you believe it up to your digestion or up to ur need.
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Kaisar Ahmad Mir, Program Manager, Jan Shikshan Sansthan (ANHAD)
| 07 01 2011 15:39:03 +0000
@Konkan: Zakir Naik Speaks truth and u come to know that all other religions including ur Athesim is on flase hood, so u cant digest wat he says... if u have proof of wat u believe in , y dont u come forward and prove it. or else if it is proved to u that Islam is the only true religion, will u accept ISLAM and submit your will to Allah??? i chellenge you here that i will prove you wrong in whatever way you would like ... ISLAM has to dominate all over the world God Willingly and all the non-believers who reject it will be driven to hell fire... May Allah Grant us understanding of this true religion and save us from the devastating and destroying hell fire.......... Ameen
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 07 01 2011 11:26:42 +0000
@Konkan: Wat u call as PLagiarism is mere failure of ur understanding of the truth. You are not willing to give your falsehood and accept the truth. Okie Konkan: prove me there is no GOD--- if u r so true in ur belief !!!
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 07 01 2011 11:18:43 +0000
@Konkan: You dont have the concept of GOD so u r not worh discussing. And you should learn to behave and stop abusing the GOD. You acept or not GOD has created you too and u must atleast respect God...
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 07 01 2011 11:12:06 +0000
@Konkan: you need to be open minded when discussing things... have a look for polygamy... @Konkan: Qur'an is the only religious book on the face of the earth that says 'marry only one'. The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an: 'Marry woman of your choice in twos' threes' or fours' but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, (with them), then only one' [Al-Qur'an 4:3] Before the Qur'an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals with them justly. In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says: 'It is very difficult to be just and fair between women'. [Al-Qur'an (4:129)] Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to marry more than one wife. Broadly, Islam has five categories of Do's and Dont's. (i) 'Farz' i.e compulsory (ii) 'Mustahab' i.e recommended or encouraged (iii) 'Mubah' i.e permissible (iv) 'Makruh' i.e 'not recommended' or discouraged (v) 'Haram' i.e prohibited or forbidden Polygyny falls in the middle category of things that are permissible. It cannot be said that a Muslim who has two, three or four wives is a better Muslim as compared to a Muslim who has only one wife.
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 07 01 2011 11:09:22 +0000
@Konkan: This is not the answer i am looking for. i know atheism is not a religion, infact atheist cant hav a religion. i wanted to know "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no GOD , she/he shud kno the meaning of God... Tell me what is GOD to u?
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 07 01 2011 10:56:38 +0000
@Konkan: - The Quran is completely different from all the other books in the world
- The Quran, which he(Mohamad SAW) brought, has challenged all mankind with all their literary geniuses and scientists, from the first day of its revelation to the Last Day, to produce a like of it or even a single chapter of it.
- The Quran was revealed in 23 years, yet there are not any contradictory points in it.
- The Qur’an is beyond compare from the viewpoint of its styles and eloquence.
- Prophet Muhammad was unlettered and no one had heard him say even a couple of poetry. However, the Quran also challenged the known experts in poetry and oratory and forced them to surrender.
- Arabic became so rich through the Quran and attained such a high level that it developed as the language of the most magnificent civilization of world history with all its scientific, religious, metaphysical, literary, economic, juridical, social and political aspects.
- Despite its apparent simplicity, the Quran has such depths of meaning that everyone from the commonest of people to the most high-ranking scholar, scientist and literary man, finds his share in it.
- No one has ever been heard to be bored with the recitation of the Quran.
- The Quran describes man with all his physical and spiritual aspects and contains principles to solve all the problems that may appear at any time and in any place concerning all the social, economic, juridical, political and administrative fields of life. Furthermore, it satisfies both the mind and spirit at the same time and guarantees happiness in both worlds.
- The Quran unveils the mystery of man, creation and the universe.
- The Qur’an is the embodiment of Muhammad in words or Muhammad is the embodiment of the Qur’an in belief and conduct.
- Even though revealed in parts on certain occasions, the Qur’an is equally universal and objective where it deals with particular issues as it is exact and precise where it deals with universal matters.
- The Qur’an contains at least the principles of all the branches of knowledge either in summary or detail and not even a single piece of the knowledge it contains has ever been contradicted.
- “As time passes, the Qur’an grows ever younger.
- ”The Qur’an addresses and legislates for all in all times".
- If Prophet Muhammad had written the Qur’an by himself, he should never have mentioned some incidents concerning him.
- There are answers to many such questions in the Quran that one who does not have an all-encompassing knowledge could not have answered them.
I think this must be enuf proof for u to believe that Quran is the word of Only GOD(Allah).
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 07 01 2011 10:49:27 +0000
@Konkan: Since u are an Athiest ,and ur Dad too was same, Just out of curiosity wanna know that Are you following your Dad's religion or are you using your intellect to deny the Existence of GOD... because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. How about u Konkan??
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 07 01 2011 10:10:26 +0000
Before comenting u have to check the authenticity of the website. More than half the total %age of website on internet have invalid information. they are run as islamic websites, against Islam, to spread bad word about islam . So please do not believe in without cross checkin.
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 07 01 2011 10:05:40 +0000
@Shyam: Religion must dominate every ones life, restis all secondary... “The Truth has arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.” Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion does not dominate everyday life in the West today, whereas Muslims have religion always uppermost in their minds, and make no division between secular and sacred. They believe that the Divine Law, the Shari'a, should be taken very seriously, which is why issues related to religion are still so important. We must understand that everythig is not GOD, but everything is GOD's.. Our primary purpose of life is to prepare for hareafter, this world is mere a test where in u r tested and accordingly ur deeds are recorded which will berewarded in hereafter.. Dear brother, if you come with openmind and optimistic approach towards ISLAM and its teaching, i am sure u will be lead to truth... U dont have to look or think about others whether they are highly sipritual or not, just try to find the truth yourself.. even if u will go through ur own religious scriptures, there also u will find the links to ISLAM and last messanger (Peace be upon him)...MayAllah grant u understanding of truth...
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 30 2011 12:10:06 +0000
Mir Arif, What is there to understand ? I think religion / spiritual life is a highly personal thing. Whenever religion tries to bind human beings , it becomes a form of tyranny, similar to nazism. The false sense of supremacy in followers of any religion causes violence. People should become mature, learn to follow their faith in private lives instead of imposing those using state or social pressure. I have deep study of the religion under question and speak from full realization of it. Wherever there is no chance of questioning, there the truth is lost. That is true for many religions today. Even philosophically, persons who have some idea of spirituality do not value religions and dogmas so much.
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Shyam S, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, A leading EDA firm
| 06 30 2011 10:06:36 +0000
@Sham: Dear Apostasy can be understood if u have complete knowledge about the subject. It applies under caetain conditions and principles...There is no mandatory death penalty in the Qur`an for any crime Please look go to the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRB3snGxgns&feature=related
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 29 2011 17:51:50 +0000
@ M Ramchand, Dear, I do not agree with you because nobody can prove that Islam is bad in any way. But Because of misconceptions People are giving false interpretations by mere observing the black sheeps ( who are present in each and every community). People can be good or bad, but on that bases we can not blame any religion. We must come to come in common terms which are between major religions, only then we can maintain peace in the world. Each and every Major religion preaches that there is only One God and Mohammad (peace be upon him) is the last and final messenger of God, Idol worship, alcohol etc is prohibited by all major religions.
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Kaisar Ahmad Mir, Program Manager, Jan Shikshan Sansthan (ANHAD)
| 06 29 2011 15:50:00 +0000
You can walk from non-freedom to freedom, but not vice versa.Just as suicide is illegal, similarly, giving up any religion to accept a 'binding faith like Islam' should be forbidden. Unless Islam learns to accept apostates as human beings too and doesn't consider them as fit to be executed!
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Shyam S, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, A leading EDA firm
| 06 29 2011 15:24:41 +0000
one cant use religious scriptures to run a govt... imagine if u were to run the Govt according to religion... Alll religions have lot of common points... y do we start with the difference , lets come to common terms. let that be the basis for our start, then we can together propagate towards truth...
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 28 2011 19:12:10 +0000
U don hav to follow the religion BLINDLY... This is wat m tryinh to convey dear. lets open up our mind, let u open ur ur conscience and look wat is true. Search and research it n m sure truth will be revealed to u soon God Willingly. Again, i mus say do not judge a car by wrong driver... muslims may not be perfect but Islam is perfect. To know it u have to follow it perfectly . There are black sheep in evry community but that doesnt mean evryone is same. From the Dawn of the Time, all the messangers of GOD preached one and the same religion. When all the labels are discarded, worshipping GOD alone and living a righteous life is the message of all devine scripture.
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 28 2011 19:09:06 +0000
@Ramchand: May be u r rite, but still i m tryig to understand it more and more and u too can join in... if u wish i can give u a copy of it with a comparison to ur religious book. Now as far as Baba Ramdev is concerned i dont believe in hipocracy and idol worshiping. i dont cheat and i am not a fraud
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 28 2011 18:55:32 +0000
@Ramchand: U hav to understand bu Quoting Prophet (peace be upon him) i meant the perfectness in following the ISLAM... Jesus (pbuh) was perfect too and followed one God... so they were perfect and followed the religion perfectly. we common people have to follow their teachings and Quran-the book of GOd was given to Prophet (pbhu) to teach the people in earth, what is good and differentiate it from bad... and same quran teaches us not to marry a non-muslim be it a woman or a man. and regarding u saying common man needs to be perfect... r u a common perfect man or did u try ever so? From wat eve religion u may be , did u check ur scriptures of book ua religion follows... does it not mention in following one and only one God, does it not prohibit u from idol worshipping and does it not say Prophet Mohammed(phuh) is messanger of God... it Does and only u r not willing to accept the truth coz it is against ua wishes, in favour of devil's charm
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 28 2011 18:46:19 +0000
Fine agreed for the sake of argument... Wat abut India then , killing innocents in kashmir... Is that not prohibited in evry religion not to kill children and innocents... wat abut that then... n lets not deviate
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 28 2011 18:31:45 +0000
@Ramchand: you are rite, muslims may not be perfect, that doesnt mean islam is not perfect. Islam is the only perfect religion and if u have to judge it in actual , then judge it by our Prophet Mohammad(Peace be upon him)...He was a perfect muslim
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 28 2011 18:25:30 +0000
@All : it is haram ( forbidden) for muslim man to marry from unbeliever women and also for muslim women to marry from unbeliver man , Allah (SWT) says in surat El-baqara verse no.221 " Do not marry unbelieving women until they believe; a slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman even though she allure you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: a man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allure you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of Bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: that they receive admonition "
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 28 2011 17:05:17 +0000
@Ramchand:It is not about dying ... let me ask u what if u have a vehicle with one tyre of car and other of truck, will it run.. NO so like this , non muslim women and muslim men cant go together
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 28 2011 17:03:21 +0000
Before comenting i want to ask, to all those who support the non muslim women be allowed to marry muslim men, what about the religion of children? Muslim or Non-Muslim... after that we will discuss it further
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Mir Arif, Principal Consultant, Infosys Technologies
| 06 28 2011 16:06:50 +0000
As far as my knowledge goes, the Murlism Personal Law is the guiding law for this. According to which both of them should be muslim for a marriage. A Muslim man can marry hindu girl by converting her. But at the time of marriages both stand as Muslims. It means they have to convert to Islamic region to marry a girl. As Miss Kavitha said a marriage between Muslim and non-muslim is anti-islamic. This is nothing protecting the religion. You can bring some one into religion at the same time no one is allowed to go out of the religion.
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Srinivas suravajhala, Asst. Manager.
| 06 27 2011 06:21:03 +0000
@Kaiser - I agree with you about what you wrote.".when we manipulate a thing according to our self interest it looses its original strength and it leads to conflict." - BUT those who manipulate it does not care if it leads to conflict....
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Munshi Ramchand, Retired
| 06 25 2011 16:33:34 +0000
@ Mr. M. Ramchand, dear brother by going through your point I came to understand that one can accept & entertain a religion according to his own taste i.e., to manipulate. But, dear brother, when we manipulate a thing according to our self interest it looses its original strength and it leads to conflict. We must go through our religious scripture at least comparatively then we we will be able to bring universal brotherhood and peace in the world.
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Kaisar Ahmad Mir, Program Manager, Jan Shikshan Sansthan (ANHAD)
| 06 25 2011 14:03:55 +0000
Dear Munshi We better know what is going in the world. All news channels are telling there is killing of thousands in Libya but one of journalist of sahara news went there and saw the situation is different. The foreingers gave money to NGO to loud their voice against Libya govt. and then Nato led USA attacked. This is the fact. What i want to say written by Iqbal " Majhab nahi sikhata aapas mein bair rakhna" but now it is reverse becuse some people having little knowledge about other religeon speak big words and act like scolars. If some one knows all things in true he or she should argue with scolars like Dr. Zakir Naik, Founder of IRF india. I will refer this case to Dr. Zakir to hold a public discussion with Konkan singha if she is ready.
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Abdul Moyeen Khan, Chief Accountant, Obeikan Glass company
| 06 25 2011 08:24:16 +0000
This is unfortunate what Ms konkan has described that from internet websites. I asked one of my froend from Alexendria city about the incident he denied. I will advise Konkan not to propagate these false and fabricated from websites. If you are really to know about Islam go to Islamic scholar and sit infront of him and learn. This will provide you real knowledge of Islam.
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Abdul Moyeen Khan, Chief Accountant, Obeikan Glass company
| 06 25 2011 06:31:09 +0000
Dear Mr. Konkan sinha, it is your misconception about the apostasy issue in Islam. I don't want to counter you but just want to clear your misconception with respect and it's a honor for me. Killing of apostate is one of such erroneous trends and baseless convictions. In fact, this menacing tenet is based neither on the Qur’an nor on the practice of the Prophet of Islam. It was merely a political idea invented with the help of some biased ulema, Later it took such momentum that even the unbiased ulema were influenced by this wrong trend. Unfortunately, the later generation of ulema, who followed the old schools of thought, adopted this unIslamic view uncritically without further research. The Holy Qur’an, provides a definition along the same lines. It says: "And say, 'It is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve." [The Holy Qur’an 18:30] But if apostasy [irtidad] is punishable by death, or if disbelief [kufr] is punishable by death, then what meaning can be attributed to the phrase "let him who will"? One’s 'will' can only be arrived at by one’s own self. I will now present a few verses that exemplify Islam’s marvelous teaching regarding freedom of religion. First Verse: "There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing, AllKnowing."
[The Holy Qur’an 2:257] This verse presents a profound piece of wisdom. The theme presented here is directly opposite to the contemporary practice. Allah has not stated here that: 'You have a right to prevent people from becoming apostates.' Rather, Allah has said: 'Nobody has the right to force you to give up your faith.' Allah says: 'Since the truth has become manifestly obvious, and since there is no compulsion in matters of religion, you [O people of faith!] are not expected to use compulsion—because you have received God’s commandment in this regard. But even compulsion from the other people is not going to have any impact on you, because you have accepted the truth after fully understanding it to be the truth; you have taken hold of a strong handle. Thus, whoever will defy the forces of transgression, and will refuse to return to the ways of those who use such force, and will persevere in his faith in Allah, it is as if such a one has got hold of a strong handle. This bond is now bound not to be broken. In other words, no doubt, coercion will be used against you, but we do know you are now positioned at such a station of spiritual illumination that you are not, in any way, bound to return to the realm of darkness. Second Verse: "[O Muhammad], Admonish, therefore, for you art but an admonisher; You are not a warden over them; But whoever turns away and disbelieves, Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment."[The Holy Qur’an 88:22-25] In this context, the phrase, ‘You are not a warden’ means that: Although We have appointed you for the guidance of the whole of mankind, yet We have not granted you the prerogative of using compulsion in this regard. You should keep on exhorting and admonishing. The matter of those who would disbelieve is for Us to deal with. There is the greatest. chastisement for those who would disbelieve. But as far as your personal liability is concerned, you would certainly not be questioned about those people who are disbelieving. This is just three verses. There are lot more verses in Quran detailing the treatment of Apostates.
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Muhammed jabir rifai, Graduate in Mechanical Engineering
| 06 24 2011 16:20:11 +0000
Mr. Ravi Gautam i believe you are deeply misunderstood about Islam. Islam’s main message is to worship God and to treat all God’s creation with kindness and compassion. In Islam virtue does not connote forsaking the bounties of nature that are lawful. On the contrary one is encouraged to lead a healthy, active life with the qualities of kindness, chastity, honesty, mercy, courage patience and politeness. In short, Islam has a perfect and complete code for the guidance of individuals and communities alike. Kindly do study more about Islam, and i hope you will clear all your misconceptions about the same. Thank you
Miss Kavitha Shankar, there are exceptions for muslim men, but a muslim woman is not permitted to marry a non-muslim man under any circumstances according to the Quran.
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Muhammed jabir rifai, Graduate in Mechanical Engineering
| 06 24 2011 09:50:06 +0000
Ravi elaborate your thoughts, cud u make it clear what u want to say? What society are you talking about? And who are this terrorist underworld dons and criminals? @ Kavitha Shankar thumbs up to you ma'm that was a truly rational explanation. Most of the time I have seen ignorant people giving illogical statements.
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Sama Asif, BD Manager, infonet softech
| 06 24 2011 09:09:46 +0000
I really support Kavitha as whatever she has said it is up to the point and according to the religion point of view too. If muslim man want to marry non muslim then the non muslim has to accept islam then the marriage can be done and if Islam if a man want to marry again then he must treat his wives equally and should be fair in that. So the moral is that to marry non muslim girl, the girl needs to convert into muslim before marriage and if the man wants to marry gain then he has to maintain equality but in present generation it is not possible so marriage again is illegal.
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Javed Akhtar, Sr. Executive - Logistics, Keventer Agro Limited
| 05 23 2010 07:26:37 +0000
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