Should Padmanabhaswamy temple use its wealth for society?

we should really praise their honesty and loyalty as you correctly pointed out

No, this wealth is not their collection. It is blood money:

a). Lot of traders both from India and abroad used to come to Travancore for spices. Just like our 2G scam, the price of spices were fixed, it was lower or lowest for those traders who offered certain percentage as gold to this temple.

b).When there was war between other neighboring kingdoms, those kings used to bring their wealth and store it in this temple.

c). Lot of traders who tried to escape from Tipu and British used this temple as a locker, for safe-keeping(just like swiss bank).

d). Some times people were wrongly accused and they were pardoned if they paid a gold coin. These people collected lot of money in that way from the poor people.

e). Some people say that it also involves lot of gold that was looted from different places. That is why they gave all this to a temple so that they can escape the curse.

All the above created a huge wealth just like our black money in swiss banks. swiss banks are ready to give it back but not our kerala people. Thus they have so much wealth.

@ Gurleen ,

correct , he is calling Him self as chief "Muni " of Agsatya Muni INC , now which company in these time will call itself with such a name , and will call its employees as "Muni " , LOL ,on internet   there is only one link where this company is mentioned , u know , that is toostep profile of "Munshi Ramchand "

 @ munshi

Its time now u accept ur defeat , u have failed to justify why a so called "Secular " Govt should overtake only Hindu temples, No one can justify that , and only a immoral person with vested political interests will try for that , Because "India " is not only so called "Secular state" , there r others also like US and France , they never interfere in any Religious institute , whether that is majority or minority , state and religion r separate there , they r truly secular , they don't even allow immoral practice of Polygamy to Muslims , while ur Corrupt Nehru has done all this in India , As for ur argument regarding liability and revenue , why Govt is eager to take liability of Hindu temples ? why is it justified for them ? and revenue , LOL , money donated by devotees to Temple can not be seen as revenue for a Secular Govt , no matter how much is that , WAQF board is india's second largest Land Owner after Indian Army , and Christian Church is one of biggest Employers in India , with missionaries working in every small village and town , and churches everywhere , schools everywhere ,there is no limit of the money they r spending on conversion , so Govt should overtake them also for Revenue , As par  ur Lgic of Double standards , truly There r no Double standards of Congress, it is anti Hindu ,anti Indian by design , BJP was a coalition Govt , and still they did all they could do , an example : - Many Hindu and Sikh leaders Like Shivaji and Guru Govind Singh are abused as " Dacoits" in NCERT books , BJP changed those texts , but when Congress Govt came it reverted back those changes ,

So it proves neither Hindu nor Sikh , not any  indian  religion  is safe in Congress rule , it is Governed by Christian and muslim Lobby  

@ munshi ,

Corruption Will be there in Govt run  Trust also, and huge corruption , they will eat all the temples money ,  as they r doing now ,

there are many allegations of corruption against Govt  devavasam trusts , So corruption is no argument for Govt takeover ,

It is Proved by ur postings itself , that  Church etc are corrupt , so why Govt not take over them ?

Why only Hindu temples should be taken over by a so called "Secular " Govt ,  It will ideal if "Secular " state does not interfers in matters of any religion , no ,  they r happy and eager to loot Hindu temples money ,

This is double standards and will not tolerated for a long , Money is given to temple by Hindus and not for secular purposes to Govt , for corruption ,

You Arguments against BJP are hollow, in response of  what corrupt Practices Congress ,Nehru ,Rajiv have done u  r writing what BJP has not done, this way  u can satisfy urself  that u have answered , but it does not makes an argument  ,

Hindu Acharya Sabha , consists of ALl acharya from all major temples of indian whether north south east or west , we r being united and we will soon uproot ur Gandhi dynasty  and its anti Hindu politics ,

I there is a need of a  All India body , ALL temple acharya of Hinduism have made an Acharya Sabha, and this temple takeover  issue is in their agenda,but Govt is no one to interfere ito these matters ,

Pandey - south indian hindus are telling me that they don't want the vaishnavites, they would prefer to loot alone. They say that an All India body is trick by north indian hindus to loot the south indian temples as temples in the south are richer than the ones in the north.

Rajiv Ganbdhi Changed Constitution  to satisfy Muslim Mullas in shahbano case ,

Article 30 B of indian constitution , allows Minority to establish institutions of their choice without  any govt Interference   ,This change in constitution was Done by Nehru

But such a privilege is not given to Majority  , Hindus , so Govt can takeover their temple etc   any time ,

So indian Constituion is made by pesudo secular anti national Congresees like Nehru , who lost  a large part of land to China and then said "That Land was worthless " how cowardice ,

It is instead   unfortunate for India that Gandhi Dynasty is ruling this country ,

@ munshi , will he ever leave  chamchagiri of corrupt , pseudo secular  Gandhis ,

u have just weakened  ur position by giving this example , this just prooves my point , Church matters are being dealt by church only , Govt in not inteferring into that  ,

Similary Hindu temples matter will also be dealt by temples only and Govt should not take that money  ,

I there is a need of a  All India body , ALL temple acharya of Hinduism have made an Acharya Sabha, and this temple takeover  issue is in their agenda,but Govt is no one to interfere ito these matters ,

It is evident who has shortage of points to argue , u have not answered any of my points while i exposed pseudo secular policies and politics of ur Gandhi Dynasty ,

For Pandey - Will Pandey be satisfied?

The Church of South India  synod has taken charge of the administration of the Diocese of North Kerala after its Bishop, the Rt. Rev. K P Kuruvilla failed to convene the diocesan council.

North Kerala has been the scene of heated debates between its bishop and lay leaders.  In a letter to the moderator of the Church dated Jan 21, the North Kerala Diocesan Laity Fellowship accused the bishop of pocketing school funds. They alleged that since June 2010 the bishop had collected approximately Rs. 85 million rupees (£1.2 million) “through the appointment of thirty two teachers in four of the newly sanctioned higher secondary schools” in the diocese.

At a meeting of the diocesan executive committee held on Oct 20, questions about the disposition of the funds were raise.  The diocesan treasurer “admitted to have received only Rs. 15 million (£207,000). When asked about rest of the amount, bishop responded that the amount received cannot be divulged and the executive committee members [would] have to just trust him on this matter,” the complaint said.

Munshi is Blind and  Handicapped also,

In front of him Govt is looting Hindu Temples money he can not see that neither Protest that , He is like a Dog of Sonia Gandhi , he can only Bark  in support of Her ,

Munshi u r  lowering the level of debate  ,

 u r not asking for  Corruption in church and mosque , so the exemption of Church and Mosques are in- built in ur understanding    ,

We don't need to prrove that , India is run by hypocrites  pseudo secular Congresees ,

Rajiv Ganbdhi Changed Constitution  to satisfy Muslim Mullas in shahbano case ,

Article 30 B of indian constitution , allows Minority to establish institutions of their choice without  any govt Interference   ,This change in constitution was Done by Nehru

But such a privilege is not given to Majority  , Hindus , so Govt can takeover their temple etc   any time ,

So indian Constituion is made by pesudo secular anti national Congresees like Nehru , who lost  a large part of land to China and then said "That Land was worthless " how cowardice ,

It is instead   unfortunate for India that Gandhi Dynasty is ruling this country ,

Pandey is blind:

Can u quote any text that "Corruption " by mosque or church is not corruption

I have not said that what ever corrupt happens in church and mosque is NOT a corruption - that is your argument just to create a fight.

Corruption is corruption whether it happens in a temple or mosque or church. You are trying to hide corruption in a temple - shame!

I agree with Amit, instead of using temple money first use the SWISS BANK BLACK MONEY for development. Let's not forget the BLACK MONEY issue. Temple money is known to all, BLACK MONEY is still in DARK, seems government has forgot it again.

@ Munshi

First of all the the term "corruption" does not applies in case of autonomous religious temples but  just in case   Can u quote any text that "Corruption " by mosque or church is not corruption ? No , but   u r assuming that is not corruption , Govt is not taking their money ,  it is not controlling them

Hindu Temple are not something  to be monitored by Govt, Govt calls it self secular , so it must not take  Temples money ,

You can not have double standards for  mosque , Church , and Temple ,

The term "corruption " by devotee is irrelevant  in case of temple as it is in case of mosque and church

@ munshi,

No , You don't talk abt corruption in church or mosques etc , which get heavy funding from foreign church and Saudi Amir's , do u ever dare to know what they do with their money ?

If u r exempting  other religions and allowing them to have to autonomy  , Govt must allow Hindu temples also to have autonomy  ,

Main issues is money is given to temple not to the Govt , govt  calls itself secular , it is not Hindu or muslim , so it can not take that money , that is biggest  corruption ,

@ Munshi  Jaychand 

Devotees are Giving money to temple  , not  to the Govt   , If temple is autonomous  ,  they r free  to do whatever they do with their money ,temple is of Hindus, But Govt is secular , they can not touch that money given to temple,     

One can not talk about "Corruption " in an autonomous temple  , same way one can not talk about  "corruption "   in mosques or Church , it is there money given by Devotees , they r free to do whaever they want  ,

term "corruption " is applicable only when   a Govt ( to which the Money was not Given  ) loots the  money and  bureaucrats  and politicians   eat that money ,and that's what is actually happening in India 

@Pandey

under Govt control for many years , last year Indian Govt  "looted " 107 crore

Yes, this is correct

Kerala Govt is looting all temples money , so talking of  "corruption in temple " is completely nonsense

I have given examples of Temples which are NOT in govt control e.g. Padmanaba swamy temple ....why - when devotees loot temple and god it is not corruption? Hipocracy and double standards, shame!

Kerala Govt not even spents  1% on temple

Yes, you are right, BUT how much is spent on temple by the admins which are not in govt control? zero.

What is right of a Secular Govt to go into matters of Hindu temple , and only Hindu temple

This crocodile tears is for some hindutva people to get a license to loot the all the temples 'ALONE'. Nice double standards...hipocrites...shame.

u r   supporting policies of  an Italian and Anti national Congress  , this is  what  Jaychand  did  against the india in support of Mugals ,

So, when you loot temple alone, how come it is not a Jaychand supporting mughals?....A loot is a loot, don;t you have shame to loot the God?. So, your devotion is a huge hipocracy....what a big shame!

Munshi Jaychand 's Crocodile tears ,

All the Temples  this "Jaychand of modern India" is talking about  like Tirupati , Naina Devi  , are already under Govt Control , If Jaychand is Saying any "Corruption in temple " Read that as   "corruption of  Govt  trust in Temple "

@ munshi Ramchand  ,

U should know that  Sabrimala  Temple is under Govt control for many years , last year Indian Govt  "looted " 107 crore of total annul donation of temple , Devavasam trust  is  a Govt   body , through which Kerala Govt is looting all temples money , so talking of  "corruption in temple " is completely nonsense  ,

After  getting 107 crore of  combined annual donation of devotees , Kerala Govt not even spents  1% on temple   , that is why there were no proper management in Sabrimala and so many ppl died bcz of stampede   ,

What is right of a Secular Govt to go into matters of Hindu temple , and only Hindu temple  , why they can touch issues related to mosques and church , bcz they will be killed for that , Hindu are soft target ,

u r   supporting policies of  an Italian and Anti national Congress  , this is  what  Jaychand  did  against the india in support of Mugals ,

Even God needs a Lokpal

Close on the heels of Anna Hazare's campaign against corruption, the demand for a Church Lokpal type body to check corruption within Churches in India and Right to Information for the Christian community members is gaining momentum.

Two Christian organisations, Forum of Indian Christians (FORUM-ICRA) and Poor Christians Liberation Movement (PCLM) in a joint Good Friday appeal to the Christian community in the country have floated the idea of a Church Lokpal to be appointed by the Church leadership themselves.

In the appeal, they urged the Archbishop H. E. Cardinal Oswald Gracias of Mumbai and Archbishop Vincent M. Concessao of Delhi to appoint a Jan Lokayukta within Church on the lines of Anna Hazare's JAN LOKAYUKTA which is meant for the corrupt politicians, bureaucrats and Government officials, accountable and liable for punishment. “Why not root out the corruption from the Church institutions too,” Joseph Gathia of Forum ICRA and RL Francis President of the PCLM questioned in the press release.

Archbishop Concessao of Delhi is one of the founders of the 'India against corruption' movement. “The focus of the whole campaign is to bring about awareness against the menace of corruption which is also a moral evil. I am fully with people who work towards rooting out corruption from all sectors of public life”, the Archbishop has said.

Will our Cardinals and Archbishops consider constituting a Lokpal type body for the Churches in India, which will make corrupt bishops, parish priests and clergy accountable and liable for punishment?

R.L. Francis, president of PCLM, expressed dismay over the fact that very often those involved in corruption in the Church go unpunished and that is why people are leaving the Church. He pointed out that only a small portion of poor Christians are receiving the benefit of the Church run institutions and development projects.

“It is unfortunate that whenever any major allegation of corruption crops up, the Church authorities as well as the concerned Bishops prefer to keep quiet instead of seriously probing into the allegations to take stern action against those involved,” RL Francis, president of the PCLM lamented.

Giving one such example, he said that when the money corruption reports came up in Mumbai instead of probing into the reports, the Archdiocese was only on the denial mode and simply denied all the charges.

However, the human rights activist said that only the Lokpal type body for Church would not be enough to check corruption. He stressed the need for a vigilant Christian society, which can play the role of a watchdog to check corruption. Moreover, the Church in India need to introduce the Right to Information (RTI) for Christians so as to expose corruption at all levels within the Church, the press release added.

Biggest Loot

The Kerala government on Friday said it would take steps to "put an end to corruption" at Lord Ayyappa temple in Sabarimala, considered to be the richest shrine in the state.

Admitting that corruption was deep-rooted in the temple, Devaswom minister Kadannappally Ramachandran said, "There were limitations in eliminating corruption from places of religious worship. It cannot be stopped overnight." Steps are being taken to end corruption in the temple, he said.

The minister said the government would initiate discussions with religious leaders, social activists and elected representatives to arrive at a consensus prior to nominating members to various Devaswom boards as per the provisions of the newly enacted legislation in this regard.

On the increasing temple thefts in Kerala, he said a special squad had been constituted to nab the culprits. "Unlike thefts and robberies in banks and other commercial establishments, investigations in these cases have certain limitations,"

Corruption in Temples sans Government

State law minister Radhakrishna Vikhe Patil has mooted a proposal to take over two lakh-odd temples across the state, citing rampant corruption and irregularities in the management of the temples as his reason.

"There are complaints of misuse of funds in many prominent temples in Maharashtra. The competent authorities under the Public Trusts Act have evidently failed to monitor their activities properly. Therefore, Vikhe Patil has now mooted a proposal for their takeover," a senior official told TOI on Monday. However, critics point out that the government is not a model of rectitude itself and the Siddhivinayak temple at Prabhadevi, which it runs, is equally plagued by corruption charges.

Answer to Pandey's affection for SGPC

Shiromani Gurdawara Parbhandak Committee (SGPC) Members from Patiala and Ludhina in a letter to Jatehdar Akal Takht and media offices have accused the SGPC President Avtar Singh Makkar for his alleged involvement in misuse of crores of funds from the committee exchequer.

Several irregularities committed during the two years tenure of Avtar Singh Makkar being a SGPC President were highlighted in the complaint letter. The allegations were made four days before the election of SGPC president due on November 23 at Amritsar.

It was alleged in the letter that fund of Rs. 1 crore was misused through the Assistant Secretary Daljit Singh Bedi who was recently suspended by the SGPC President on the intervention of SAD Acting President Sukhbir Badal for his alleged involvement in moral turpitude case.

SGPC officials said that Rs. 1 crore were spent by Bedi to make the payments to the various vernacular newspapers' bills for the advertisement of SGPC related matters.

However, during the tenure of late and former SGPC President Gurcharan Singh Tohra the bills of advertisements was never crossed above Rs. 5 lakhs whereas, here with in the year Bedi has released advertisements worth Rs. 1 crore.

Daljit Singh Bedi was the right hand man of Makkar and most of the time when Makkar moved out of Punjab preferred to travel with him. Bedi was promoted as a Assistant Secretary for Public Relation out of way just a year back during the tenure of Makkar, alleged in the complaint.

Letter also alleged that more 162 appointments of faculty members in the different Educational Institutions including Shri Guru Ram DAS Medical College being run by the SGPC were made while throwing all the norms to wind by Makkar during the last two years.

It was also alleged that inferior infrastructure worth Rs. 3 crore was purchased for the Shri Guru Ram DAS Medical College for the sake of hefty commission paid by the manufacturer. Fund of Rs. 3 crore were utilized from SGPC treasury which had come through donations from the various Sikh shrines.

@ sulagna ,  antiques should be treated as antique , if u feel situation is that bad  we need to sell these antiques and make money  for progress ,  there r other options , ask politicians to disclose their black accounts, and to stop scam ,  much more money  will be available , the kind of team u r asking is impossible in current framework of Indian Govt and system , eventually all money will be looted by Govt on the name of development ,

@ tejaswi , u could by 2500 Drone helicopters by 2G and CWG scam money also , and who will allow u to decide how the money will be spent ? If Hindus will not protest Govt will loot money on the name of development

It is immoral for a  so called "Secular " govt  to takeover  "Hindu " temples , they don't interfere in money  matters  of  Mosques or Churches , but most of the Big and ancient Hindu temples are taken over by Govt , like Mata Vasihno Devi , Baba Amarnath ,  Sabrimala, Tirupati   , the  net collection of donation  given by  devotees is in 100s of crore and  all this money goes to govt's treasury  , obviously it is looten by  corrupt bureaucrats , and politicians , on the name of  development  schemes , which always remain on paper only    ,

Govt should have no right to take wealth of temples , and Hindus should know Ground reality  before  supporting such a Govt move  , Churches r funded from abroad , and they r converting many poor Hindus , while our temple wealth is being spent of Madarasas  , we can use that wealth for our people , and thus stop conversions also ,

All major Acharya of ancient Hindu temples have  joined and made an  "All Hindu Acharya Sabha ",   temple  takeover issue is on their agenda , but Hindus should be aware and unite , and support them and make a body like  "Shiromini  Gurudwara Prabandhak comity  " and use  our money for our society  

development, how many times we shout. from 64 yrs of independence we are shouting, how much we invest for development it is not sufficient at last we need more like thirsty human in a desert. why invest in name of development to keep it in hands of politicians to have scams.

if development is more important do not offer your offerings in hundis offer to government corpus fund for development. buy infrastructure bonds for development.

once it is given it is given. one who gives and ask it again for his sake again is it is sensible thing? what type of morality is this? we all have to salute the royal family for their moral values in preserving this trillion dollars valuable treasure even not touching it since 200 years. it is offered to god by them.

how shame it would be once you offered to god and take it back from hundi saying i need it, we self say, see that cunning fellow cheating the god? yes it is cheating only.

Rameshji ki idea is good, it should be just kept like that. My dear people who support for development, you pay income tax properly, donate money to central govt. corpus fund, ask invoice when you buy any article, ask govt. to bring back black money from swiss govt other wise we will not vote them again. india moves 25 years forward at once.

Mr Dhingra, Poverty can also be eradicated if the drunkards donate their  alcohol budget to the poor, Unfortunately they won't!

What people ?  The Government  might set up a slaughterhouse with this money. Do you want that ?

The wealth may be used, however, to set up schools of  education to preach sanatan dharma in Arabic countries.